CREATE A FESTIVAL - ROUND 3 - NEAPOLITAN FESTIVAL VS. CITY SCAPE FESTIVAL

[menikmati]

Round 3 - Neapolitan Festival vs. City Scape Festival

Well it's onto Round 3 finally. Obviously, there is a new addition to this round, that being SET TIMES! Yes, all final 8 festivals have submitted their set times, which are to be viewed, judged, and criticized by you (the fan, voter). So instead of just basing your vote on the lineup, take some time to go over set times, because maybe there will be some conflicts which limit how many of your favorite bands you'll get to see compared to another festival...you get the drift. Also take some time to explore some of the smaller bands too...they could make or break a festival.

Remember, no alias voting (I know who you are, and/or suspect certain names)...and only vote if you have 100 or more posts...if you do otherwise, you're wasting your time because your vote will not be counted. Enjoy. Winners move onto semi-finals!

Neapolitan Festival:

http://www.ebombfilms.com/festival/entries/neapolitan_festival_n.jpg

http://www.ebombfilms.com/festival/entries/neapolitan_settimes.gif

City Scape Festival:

http://www.ebombfilms.com/festival/entries/cityscape_festival_n.jpg

http://www.ebombfilms.com/festival/entries/cityscape_settimes_x.jpg

[Boourns]

Do Gorillaz have three hours worth of material?

[woogie846]

Arcade Fire/Flaming Lips conflict? Ouch.

[menikmati]

no, you're reading that wrong...the days are vertical, the stages are horizontal on neapolitans

[Boourns]

I really like both, but my schedule for Neapolitan would be one of the best imaginable. And Kiiiiiii for the win, anyway.

Friday:
Kiiiiiii 12:10-12:50
Go! Team 1:30-2:00
Primus 2:15-3:15
Gogol Bordello 4-5:15
Cibo Matto 6-7
Beck 7:45-9
Pixies 9:30-10:30
Flaming Lips 10:45-12:00

Saturday:
Raconteurs 12:45-1:45
Stooges 2:30-4
Sonic Youth 4-5
Mono 5-5:30
Muse 5:30-6:10
Mogwai 6:15-8
Underworld 8-8:45
Radiohead 9-10:30
Arcade Fire 10:30-12

Sunday:
Nouvelle Vague 12-12:45
Stills 1-2
Tricky 2-3:15
Echo & the Bunnymen 4-5
Garbage 5:15-6:20
Interpol 6:30-7:30 (leave early to get a spot for...)
Dresden Dolls 8:15-9:30
NIN 9:40-10:50
The Knife 11-12:00

LOL @ how all the hip hop artists are playing the "chocolate factory"

[fatbastard]

Naples is having trash problems.

WINNER - Cityscape

[miscorrections]

saturday at neopolitan is just a huge mess of conflicts for me. this is sad, because overall i like the bands at neopolitan more.

oh well, cityscape for the win.

[Alchemy]

Do Gorillaz have three hours worth of material?

They'd probably start late putting up all their crap though. Then play every song they have.

[i_like_cake530]

neopolitan by a mile... and for those of you complaining about the set times on neopolitan, make sure you are reading the thing right.

[PassiveTheory]

This is going to be a difficult fucking vote since I've liked both festivals from the start... X.x

Neopolitan Festival:

- The name "The Chocolate Factory" makes me giggle every time I read it... (*Imagine... TONIGHT, IN THE FUDGE FACTORY!-... Er...*)
- The way the graphic for the Flaming Lips looks like it's saying "The F-ing Lips" XD

(Friday)
- Start the day off with the most original act of ANY festival so far, the Kaiju Big Battel (seriously, it's guys in suits wrestling! It's bound to be entertaining, especially if Doctor Cube MCs...)
- Probably go get something to eat or see the Go! Team...
- Primus v.s. Violent Femmes... fucking christ... That's HARD... Why the hell are BOTH of those acts playing that early anyway!?!!? I'd probably split the set (Primus first, then VF)...
- After VF, run over to catch most of Gogol Bordello, and after that... wander around or catch Ween... Dunno really.
- Watch the end of Cibo Matto to get a good spot for Beck.
- Beck to Pixies to Flaming Lips makes me a very very happy boy (almost happy enough to look at Primus v.s. VF with hindsight)

(Saturday)
- Wow... talk about seamless transition:
* Cold War Kids ->
* The Raconteurs ->
* Iggy and the Stooges ->
* Sonic Youth ->
* Muse ->
* Mogwai

That's fucking awesome...
- Not sure what to do between 8 and 8:45... maybe split Mogwai's set with Underworld?
- Why does EVERYONE schedule TVotR before the Arcade Fire!? God...
- Radiohead v.s. Death Cab... Christ... You can't have it all eh?... I just wonder if it'd be worth witnessing a Radiohead show that wasn't at least 2 hours in length... I'd probably flip a coin here...
- The Arcade Fire to end the night is awesome, although I wonder what kind of god-awful madhouse it would be trying to get out of Radiohead to see them... X.x;;;;;

(Sunday)
- Nouvelle Vague to the Stills to Tricky sounds like a good way to start off Sunday
- The lineup isn't very bottom heavy (contrary to Friday what with Primus and VF and what not) for this day
- Probably catch the first hour, hour and fifteen minutes of Echo and the Bunnymen, then wander over to see most of Garbage's set, before wandering back (or, depending on the crowd, just staying at Echo) for Interpol
- I'd like to see Dresden Dolls too, but much like Garbage, I may have to miss them to get a good spot for NIN... Still, staying in the back for NIN may not be such a bad thing (again, depending on the sound and the crowd)...
- I'd probably end the night with the Knife since everyone keeps on raving about their music and live show.

Cityscape Festival:

(Friday)
- Go in around 1:45 to get a good spot for New Porn, then wander over to catch Pinback.
- No idea what to do between Pinback and Jimmy Eat World... Probably go watch the end of Self and discover them.
- Jimmy Eat World and Franz Ferdinand makes me very happy. =D
- Hell, even by the time Franz's full set ends, I'm positive Gorillaz wouldn't even be setup, so I'd go wait an extra 15 minutes or so for Gorillaz to come on stage and watch that performance.

(Saturday)
- The National to Fields to Minus the Bear is a great way to start the day, except I'd probably cut MtB early to go see Nada Surf in full.
- 3:40-5:30?... No clue... Probably catch most of Cursive and the end of Idlewild.
- Jurassic 5 time, baby, but I'd probably cut their set by 15 minutes...
- For the majority of the Cardigans set.
- Ending the night with The Faint and the Orbital reunion sounds like a fine way to dance the night away.

(Sunday)
- Maybe see +/-... If I feel up to it.
- Catch Old 97's for sure... Stay for Phoenix
- Le Tigre v.s. Broken Social Scene v.s. Mogwai is... groan worthy... I mean, I'd probably end up missing Mogwai so I could see the latter two... @____@
- I'd probably stay for Buena Vista Social club and end the night with the most anticipated band, in my eyes...
- R.E.M.

Summary:

Well damn... This wasn't as near a contest as I thought. Both festivals (again), paced far better than the 4 predecessors, except there are some issues with Gorillaz' alloted time slot for Cityscape. My problem with Cityscape is, well, there are (again) a significant amount of acts that I have no clue about, and (because of this) there just doesn't seem to be a distinguishable identity for the stages or the acts (not that Neapolitan does much better... Still, you can at least know you'd witness all the hip hop acts at the Chocolate Factory).

The fact of the matter is, for me, Neapolitan has the best lineup of all the festivals so far (in fact, it's akin to my festival in the respect that it has the Pixies headlining night 1), as well as some of the better niche random acts (Kaiju Big Battel) of any of the festivals. Plus, it's nigh impossible to beat that Saturday lineup (especially with Saturday, in my estimation, being Cityscape's weakest day) especially with it cheating to have Arcade Fire and Radiohead on the same day (even though I don't think that the Arcade Fire are a headliner worthy act in the first place).

Oh yes, I also despise the White Stripes. That probably helped a lot to put Neapolitan over...

EDIT:

Top 5 Neapolitan Acts:
- Pixies
- Flaming Lips
- Arcade Fire
- Muse
- A shit load of bands tied (NIN, Dresden Dolls, Sonic Youth, Garbage, Interpol)

Top 5 Cityscape Acts:
- R.E.M.
- Nada Surf
- Franz Ferdinand
- Jimmy Eat World
- Gorillaz

[Bosco]

Im sorry Carlos, I cant vote for you festival since you broke the "one headliner a day" rule. :sorry

[i_like_cake530]

- Why does EVERYONE schedule TVotR before the Arcade Fire!? God...
- Radiohead v.s. Death Cab... Christ... You can't have it all eh?... I just wonder if it'd be worth witnessing a Radiohead show that wasn't at least 2 hours in length... I'd probably flip a coin here...


Most of your in depth review was good... but... these are two of the stupidest things ive ever read. Assuming that when u say "why do people schedule TVoTR before arcade fire", u mean that they are bigger/better than arcade fire. WHich is, of course, ridiculous. and then to flip a coin between DC, and radiohead??!!??
Blasphemy! Radiohead by a mile.

[PassiveTheory]

Clarifying my statement... I genuinely dislike TVotR, and as such, I would hate to have to sit through them (even the last 5 minutes of their set) for a band I love, the Arcade Fire.

And I'm a DCfC fan first, then Radiohead fan. I'm sorry if I'm not one of those Radiohead fan zombies that sees nothing wrong with the band... Ever... Kinda why I didn't include them on my poster. It's been done.

[hawkingvsreeve]

Justice over Underworld?

Party foul.

[menikmati]

not really...it gives you a chance to go Underworld > Radiohead > Arcade Fire

[PassiveTheory]

I think he did that so that folks from Underworld could seep into Radiohead.

Kinda like Gorillaz over Devo (but that also has some mitigating factors).

[menikmati]

but then again, i have a hard time voting for Neapolitan because of the rule breaking on day 2...and Orbital on sunday at cityscape is great...this choice is tough

[suprefan]

Cityscape for the win.. JT---> Sigur Ros --> Orbital is awesome.

[i_like_cake530]

but then again, i have a hard time voting for Neapolitan because of the rule breaking on day 2...and Orbital on sunday at cityscape is great...this choice is tough

is Arcade Fire the rule breaker? cause i thought it was i just wasn't sure...

[suprefan]

No, how is that the rule breaker?

Edit: How does Beck get more time than Pixies when they are headlining?

[menikmati]

radiohead and arcade fire on same day...that is a rule breaker

[PassiveTheory]

Edit: How does Beck get more time than Pixies when they are headlining?

Perhaps at this point in time Beck has more material than the Pixies?... I mean, other than that, I guess it's to allow the Pixies and the Flaming Lips enough time to both play decently long enough sets.

[suprefan]

Perhaps at this point in time Beck has more material than the Pixies?... I mean, other than that, I guess it's to allow the Pixies and the Flaming Lips enough time to both play decently long enough sets.

Pixies could rip through 25 songs in 75 minutes if given the chance. But still though, I dont want to be shortchanged with only 20 songs by them and Beck would do like 15.

[Bosco]

Im kinda confused why we havent somehow penalized the festivals that have broken rules...

[suprefan]

Im kinda confused why we havent somehow penalized the festivals that have broken rules...

Erik didnt look through everything with a fined tooth comb as he should have. But we cant blame him since he had so much stuff going on and things were overlooked, we(the voters) are pretty much seeing whats up andvoting one way or the other. To take the rule breaking/bending into account or not with our vote.

[Bosco]

well, I realized its kinda late to enforce some kind of penalty now, but, perhaps if the rule breaking festivals move on, we can highlight/inform all the voters before they vote for the matchup.

I hate to nag about it, but i feel its only fair...

[hawkingvsreeve]

I agree. It would be highly dissapointing to lose to a festival that has broken the rules. Intentional or not.

[bballarl]

I voted for Cityscape.

[idrive1life]

well, I realized its kinda late to enforce some kind of penalty now, but, perhaps if the rule breaking festivals move on, we can highlight/inform all the voters before they vote for the matchup.

I hate to nag about it, but i feel its only fair...

I hate to bring this up ... we're on the quarterfinals already why are we still debating this shit? ...

To be fair ... Bosco, you made Muertos, right? You also broke this rule:

There are set guidelines that your festival must follow, in order to be considered. Those are:



o The dates for the festival are July 6-8, 2007. That is a Friday-Sunday weekend, meaning the festival is three days long. These dates must be present on your poster.

Muertos has October 31, November 1 and November 2 in the poster and set times. And actually, we all know about the mistake in Alba, for some reason, at the bottom, it has June 6-8 dates.

I think it's up for the voters now whether we would give our votes to a rule breaker or not. Participants/posters still in the running ... just keep your mouth shut, I guess already. :D

[ewiggy]

that's a fucking typo. jeez.

[idrive1life]

yeah, I know, I just need to mention it. jeez - we all make mistakes ;)

[Bosco]

ouch, your right, my foot is now in my mouth.

I could swear it said it didnt matter what the date of the festival was on, as long as the it was separated day 1, day 2, and day 3.

However, I stand corrected. I apologize for finger pointing, as I too am a breaker of the rules.

If I should move on, please let it be known that I have broke the rules.

Again, Im sorry.

[TomAz]

These are both excellent festivals. I would go to either. It's almost a coinflip. I voted for CityScape because I'd rather be in London than Naples.

[PineapplePete]

why have the racountours when you can have THE WHITE FUCKIN STRIPES!!?!?!?!

[suprefan]

White Stripes could fall into a possible "headliner" slot and yeah Raconteurs is still a draw cause fo Jack white. They are working the line ups as best they can and putting on talent in any way possible.

[rage patton]

Primus vs. Violent Femmes is a terrible conflict. Why? There has to be some way around that. Easy solution... switch Primus w/ Cibo Matto.
Neopolitan festival then is pretty much perfect.
Cityscape however, White Stripes vs Gorillaz? Ouch. Thank god Gorillaz are playing for 3 hours. Also, Broken Social Scene vs. Le Tigre? Common. I know its not THAT big of an overlap.
Anyways, my vote goes to Cityscape. I cannot get over that Primus Violent Femmes conflict. Also, give Primus more than an hour for Christs sake!

[DeltaSigChi4]

Pure MayhemQ!!!!!

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[CuervoPH]

Too close to call. Both are great line-ups. I am giving the nod to Neapolitan because it's in Naples and also because seeing Ween and Flaming Lips back to back would be sweet.

[Courtney]

Both are great. Neapolitan has a couple of upsetting conflicts for me (Sonic Youth/Sigur Ros; Justice/Radiohead/Arcade Fire), but overall I think that's a result of a more packed schedule because there are more bands that I'm interested in. Neapolitan gets my vote.

As for the rule-breaking stuff, because I didn't create a poster for the competition, I never read the rules. Perhaps if some of the semi-finalists have serious rule-breaking problems, that should be stated clearly and neutrally in the first post of the next voting set by Erik, so that everyone knows all of the factors to consider when making their choice.

[TomAz]

I agree with Courtney. Some of the rules are silly, others less so. Let the voters weigh their importance.

[mountmccabe]

I say we start over and don't break any rules.

[suprefan]

I say we start over and don't break any rules.

I like this, but save it for next year, its a big learning experience this year. I already got some of a line up for next year in the works. I would just change a couple things on mine as it is if we started over right now from scratch.

[mountmccabe]

I was joking.

Also I ended up breaking a rule, too.

[suprefan]

I didn't, but I'm reeling for a couple votes in my favor or I'm out.

[PassiveTheory]

I didn't break any rules and was slaughtered... Yeah...

I was hoping to make this bi-annually... Ah well...

[amyzzz]

I like the 3-hour slots for Gorillaz and Sigur Ros for Cityscape, but dang. Three hours is a long time. I guess that also gives you time to meander over to other headliners.

[leo01g]

The Neopolitan Festival has all i need interpol, deftones, pixies, radiohead, nin, and underworld.

[menikmati]

stop saying "next year"...I havent decided when to have this again, but maybe like passive said, 'bi annually'..meaning maybe part 3 come this christmas...we'll see.

There will be lots of info and stuff about this after the finals.

[PassiveTheory]

Bi-annually with the second one being comprised of 2 people teams?

[suprefan]

Bi-annually with the second one being comprised of 2 people teams?

With random pairings of the people too after you have entered and the sign ups have closed.

[PassiveTheory]

Aw... No random pairings... I know who I wanna work with. ;___;

[suprefan]

I know you wanna work with me Passive, just say it. You can put NIN on the bill if you want and not Trent.


I do think random pairing would be great because ideas would be crazy and of course there are compromises. I would do somehting like, each person gets to pick a headliner and the 3rd one is a joint decision.

[PassiveTheory]

Actually I was thinking of having-...

Hold up... I don't want to give away my plans for the next contest just yet...

However, in terms of random pairings, if me and ewiggy were paired up... There's only be one board member emerging alive from that unholy combination...

[Hannahrain]

And it would be her.

[amyzzz]

Which one is ewiggy's? I hope I didn't vote for it.

[hawkingvsreeve]

If you count Bleep's vote, the counts are 38 for Neapolitan and 40 for Cityscape. Pretty close.

[Bosco]

Wow, I thought City Scape was done. Nice comeback!

[PassiveTheory]

Which one is ewiggy's? I hope I didn't vote for it.

Alma.

[idrive1life]

Hmmmm ... what happened to this match? City Scape got some/many last few minutes votes ... hmmmm ... so many voters voted for this match (not voting for the other matches?) at the last few minutes/hours ... I thought Neopolitan had a big lead ... Congrats City Scape!

[PassiveTheory]

Well, let's see now, that leaves 4 fests of which I am familiar with/like... Oh, I don't know... Maybe 33% of the bands listed?... Hell, even that's a stretch.

Truly Pretentiofest 07'... Christ... Then again, a festival with Radiohead actually lost (god forbid), so who knows, really...

[idrive1life]

^ haha I know ...

I will no longer be able to vote - no internet access etc in the next 2 weeks or so (?). Vote wisely and honestly (as if I'm doing it or taking my votes seriously) :D

[thefunkylama]

Alma.


Yes. Yes I am.

[hawkingvsreeve]

Truly Pretentiofest 07'... Christ... Then again, a festival with Radiohead actually lost (god forbid), so who knows, really...


Then start educating yourself. Put down the Cake records for a week and try something new.

[caco0283]

fuck ive been MIA and me and my 13 alias were going to vote for city scape..reopen this shit