Is Weezer an emo band?

[kroqken]

I got in a huge argument with a friend of mine. She insists Weezer is an emo band. I say no way, it is more indie sounding. What says the message board?

[suprefan]

No they are not emo, was it even a term back when Blue came out? Not really. They are a big influence though when it comes to how to write "emo" songs. But Weezer is Power Pop/Rock more than anything.

[Good Days Last]

They're more pop than emo. Always have been a "power pop" band as Supre stated.

[Boourns]

No they are not emo, was it even a term back when Blue came out? Not really. They are a big influence though when it comes to how to write "emo" songs. But Weezer is Power Pop/Rock more than anything.

Well, power pop ballads are the second emo. First there was emotional hardcore, then it was Weezer's Pinkerton and mall rock bands like Story of the Year and Jimmy Eat World that were "emo", and now emo is most used to describe shit like My Chemical Romance and Panic! At the Disco.

[Mr.Nipples]

"Why are these homies dissing my girl?
Why do they gotta' front?"

They are rap...

[TomAz]

I got in a huge argument with a friend of mine. She insists Weezer is an emo band. I say no way, it is more indie sounding. What says the message board?

tell Stephanie to shut the fuck up.

Well, power pop ballads are the second emo. First there was emotional hardcore, then it was Weezer's Pinkerton and mall rock bands ...

news flash: music existed before you did. and "power pop ballads" have been around since Journey in the 70s (or even, 'Stairway to Heaven' before that).

[J~$$$]

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[mountmccabe]

Weezer is not an emo band.

They used to be, though. Pinkerton is one of the key albums of second-wave emo.

[mountmccabe]

No they are not emo, was it even a term back when Blue came out? Not really. They are a big influence though when it comes to how to write "emo" songs. But Weezer is Power Pop/Rock more than anything.

Well, power pop ballads are the second emo. First there was emotional hardcore, then it was Weezer's Pinkerton and mall rock bands like Story of the Year and Jimmy Eat World that were "emo", and now emo is most used to describe shit like My Chemical Romance and Panic! At the Disco.

news flash: music existed before you did. and "power pop ballads" have been around since Journey in the 70s (or even, 'Stairway to Heaven' before that).

Newsflash, Tom, you just paraphrased what Boourns said to suprefan.

There's more to it than "power pop ballads" but tev.

[TomAz]

Newsflash, Tom, you just paraphrased what Boourns said to suprefan.



no I didn't. he said " First there was emotional hardcore, then it was Weezer's Pinkerton and mall rock bands like Story of the Year and Jimmy Eat World..". I'm telling him that this stuff went on years and years before that.

[mountmccabe]

I mean your basic point:

news flash: music existed before you did.

was Boourns' basic point to suprefan.


no I didn't. he said " First there was emotional hardcore, then it was Weezer's Pinkerton and mall rock bands like Story of the Year and Jimmy Eat World..". I'm telling him that this stuff went on years and years before that.

suprefan asked if "emo" had even been coined circa 1994 when Weezer's first album came out. Boourns was answering that yes, it was. The term dates to the mid-1980s with the emotional hardcore of Rites of Spring, et al.


Though, Boourns, if you were actually saying that all music began with Rites of Spring I'll retract. Let me know.

[woogie846]

I could see why someone would call them an emo band, but I'll disagree.

[TomAz]

He said "power pop ballads are the second emo". I say, power pop ballads predate emo and so can't be the "second emo".

[york707]

I think they're angular lo-fi math rock.

[TomAz]

math rock existed before you did, lawyer boy.

[mountmccabe]

He said "power pop ballads are the second emo". I say, power pop ballads predate emo and so can't be the "second emo".

The "second emo" was rather broad and there was a good deal of power pop influence.

Within the context of the history of emo that phrases isn't that far off. It narrows the focus too much but we were talking about Weezer being an emo band. Or not.

Oh, man. Wow. I'm not drunk enough for this silly of an argument.


I think they're angular lo-fi math rock.

FTW

[mistdevil]

HELL NO WEEZER IS JUST DOPE!

[TomAz]

Oh, man. Wow. I'm not drunk enough for this silly of an argument.


see but I am.

[full on idle]

Is there not a subtle difference between Power Pop and the Power Ballad? The stuff you mentioned is power ballad-y to me.

[mountmccabe]

see but I am.

OK, give me a little bit of time to catch up.

[york707]

Mozart was the OG emo artist. I mean, who's with me? John?

[full on idle]

TOM YOUR NEXT POST IS 4000 DO A GOOD ONE

[mountmccabe]

Don Giovanni = waaaaaay emo

[SojuGorae]

Don't they play Dungeons and Dragons during their free time? Think I read that on Rollingstone years ago.

[mountmccabe]

I wanna listen to Don Giovanni now. I don't have it ripped. I don't know where my CDs are.

[i_like_cake530]

He said "power pop ballads are the second emo". I say, power pop ballads predate emo and so can't be the "second emo".

power pop ballads have changed, is it possible he is talking about power pop ballads of this era, as opposed to 70's/80's journey era?

[McAwesome]

Weezer was emo when emo was what it was in the 90's.

the end.

[Boourns]

power pop ballads have changed, is it possible he is talking about power pop ballads of this era, as opposed to 70's/80's journey era?

Just that era.

And music begins and ends with Barry fucking Manilow.

[rage patton]

No. I hate when people say Weezer are emo.
With that being said... Weezer have themselves listed as Alternative/Emo/Indie
Then again... the Violent Femmes list themselves as Alternative/Punk/Emo.

[Boourns]

Emily Haines is listed as Black Metal on myspace. God, I love her.

[thelastgreatman]

Debating what genre of music a band is, especially when that band has 5+ albums under their belt, is one of the most jerk-off aspects of fandom.

That being said, my thought is that Weezer was definitely one of the main inspirations of emo, but they were most similar to it before it really existed as a genre. Kinda like how Pixies can be given a tremendous amount of the credit for inspiring and leading the way of the "Alternative Rock" movement even though they were already over when bands like Nirvana (who have admitted to intentionally biting a lot of their sound from Pixies' example) got successful.

Thus for the vast majority, Nevermind was the first set of characteristics by which the new genre became defined. So what was the first emo album?

[coldstart]

I think you're emo...

[schoolofruckus]

tell Stephanie to shut the fuck up.


I was going to say, "Ken, in Artist Gurl's fragile little world, everything is emo." But you done gone and stole the joke.

[mountmccabe]

So what was the first emo album?

Rites of Spring - Rites of Spring. 1985, I think.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

Weezer is to emo what the Pixies are to indie.

[kroqken]

Weezer is still indie sounding to me. It was not Stephanie who I had the argument with. I do not talk to her anymore and she does not listen to the same kind of music that I do.

[Beef Jerky]

Fuuuuuuuuuck no.
I met Rivers Cuomo at a rave once.

[SojuGorae]

EMO = people who cuts themselves and wear silly pants

[kroqken]

I am so proud that Rivers Cuomo is now a Harvard alumnus and married to some Japanese lady.

[Beef Jerky]

I am so proud that Rivers Cuomo is now a Harvard alumnus and married to some Japanese lady.

He seemed so shy when I met him. Maybe because I am Japanese!

[kroqken]

I read he only dated Asian women. What a preference!

[kroqken]

I just cannot picture Rivers Cuomo with a woman.

[breakjaw]

When I think of "emo" I think of bands like The Get-Up Kids or The Ataris.Weezer are no more "emo" than Radiohead,and only slightly more "emo" than Maroon 5.If the singer in Maroon 5 put on glasses,than they'd be equally as "emo" as Weezer.

[thelastgreatman]

When I think of "emo" I think of bands like The Get-Up Kids or The Ataris.Weezer are no more "emo" than Radiohead,and only slightly more "emo" than Maroon 5.If the singer in Maroon 5 put on glasses,than they'd be equally as "emo" as Weezer.

Um... maybe I haven't listened to enough Maroon 5, 'cause I try to avoid it at all possible costs, but I don't think they're remotely similar. Maroon 5 is teenage girl music, man.

[kroqken]

Cursive is considered to be emo and indie by some.

[sydaud]

math rock existed before you did, lawyer boy.....and scientist rock.

[corbo]

PINKERTON is THE EMO album to top all others, hence weezer is an emo band.

[algunz]

Weezer is simply Nerd-Chic, and that's cool -not emo.

I start to get emotional now every time I hear that term "emo." I work at a middle school, so this debate is very junior high.

[thelastgreatman]

Nerd-chic isn't a genre. You're out of your element, Donnie.

[algunz]

Personally, I find it sad that people consider emo a genre.

Who's Donnie?

[thelastgreatman]

Donnie is a Big Lebowski reference.

I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about with regards to emo being a genre though. Do you reject any other categorizations of musical styles?

[instinct]

No.. Weezer is not Emo.

[thelastgreatman]

Rites of Spring - Rites of Spring. 1985, I think.

Yeah, okay you can say that, but we're really talking about the popular emo movement, right? I mean did anyone use the term "emo kids" in 1985, 'cause I'm saying that the genre doesn't really exist until that phrase did. Did anyone refer to the album as "emo" when it came out?

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

Weezer was emo when emo was what it was in the 90's.

the end.

I 2nd that...

[algunz]

Donnie is a Big Lebowski reference.

I don't understand what the fuck you're talking about with regards to emo being a genre though. Do you reject any other categorizations of musical styles?

Aaaah yes, Rest in Peace Donnie.

[rage patton]

PINKERTON is THE EMO album to top all others, hence weezer is an emo band.

How is Pinkerton an emo album?

EMO = people who cuts themselves and wear silly pants

Haha! Greatest quote ever. In fact... it shall become my new sig.

[elChurro]

emo-related bands (and kids)...

1. have incomplete sentences for band names.
2. have shitty songs that sound way too similar.
3. shout in recordings in hopes of getting point across.
4. look and smell like they smoke cigarette butts.
5. shop at threadless.com.
6. use matte hair products.
7. can't fill in the ass portion of their sisters jeans.
8. are famous because of myspace.
9. try and classify anything and everything as emo.
10. really have no idea what emo really is.

[algunz]

How many of these does one need to fit to be officially categorized a member of the emo movement?

#10 definitely applies to me.

[kroqken]

Weezer is not emo and I do not think ever was.

[Beef Jerky]

Sounds like Rivers is living the happily ever after.

[mountmccabe]

Yeah, okay you can say that, but we're really talking about the popular emo movement, right? I mean did anyone use the term "emo kids" in 1985, 'cause I'm saying that the genre doesn't really exist until that phrase did. Did anyone refer to the album as "emo" when it came out?

Yes. Rites of Spring were/grew out of hardcore punk and were called "emotional hardcore" which was shortened to "emocore" and "emo."

"Emo kids" and what it is now has little to do with the origins.

Simplifying a whole lot:

Minor Threat + Husker Du = Rites of Spring = original emo

Various bands moved from here but the next new type of emo was the more indie/power pop version of the mid 90s with Sunny Day Real Estate and Braid and, yes, Weezer. Much of this had little to do with hardcore (though there was still some of that with bands like Texas is the Reason.) And this continued and branched off with Cursive and Jimmy Eat World and the Get Up Kids and the Promise Ring and yeah.

I kinda lose any interest once we get to the third wave which is the Dashboard Confessional, etc branch. This is far more broad and really this is what people complain about. It is around here (circa 5 years ago) that people started calling everything emo from Bright Eyes to Modest Mouse to My Chemical Romance to Panic! At the Disco to whatever.

[ri0tnerrrrrd]

Weezer was emo when emo was what it was in the 90's.

the end.

I almost agree with this. I'd say Pinkerton was emo when emo was what it was in the 90s.

Blue and the 3 most recent albums are much more power-pop and nothing like "90s emo" or whatever you want to call it.

It's amazing the transformation of the term emo from something new, interesting, and meaningful, as it was when Pinkerton came out....to mindless angry teenager drivel that's considered emo today.

[corbo]

How is Pinkerton an emo album?

have you REALLY listened to the cd. have you read the lyrics?

i dont understand how anyone can say Pinkerton is not emo?

what is your definition of emo?

[kroqken]

Real emo is not the same as the current emo wave by bands like AFI and Panic at the Disco. I do respect SUnny Day Real Estate, but today's emo is horrible.

[All That I Am]

I just voted yes, because weezer was so bad live they made me emo for the length of their set.

[amyzzz]

I didn't mind weezer so much at coachella because they didn't play all those awful hits.

[thatfinkleygirl]

I think Weezer may have inspired a lot of emo bands, but that doesn't make them emo. Their lyrics are too clever for emo music, anyway.

[thelastgreatman]

Doesn't Weezer let a computer randomly generate their set lists for each show?

[thatfinkleygirl]

I read he only dated Asian women. What a preference!

Frankly, I'm not surprised. "El Scorcho" says it all.

[thelastgreatman]

I think it's all of our responsibilities as members of the gene pool to breed with someone from another race.

1. Half-breeds are just better looking.

2. The only solution to racial/ethnic/cultural/religious conflict in the world is for everybody to fuck everybody until some day we're all a lovely eggshell tan.

I'm shooting for a half-Asian baby producer myself.

[AEversW]

Make Believe was the biggest pile of garbage every put together. On the other hand Pinkerton is a classic in my book.

[AEversW]

have you REALLY listened to the cd. have you read the lyrics?

i dont understand how anyone can say Pinkerton is not emo?

what is your definition of emo?

Pinkerton is emo. Just not the mainstream emo we are all so used too. Its still a great record.

[TomAz]

in the early 90s in Austin there was a band called The FuckEmos.

[danno828]

back to topic
Weezer is not emo
they're gay
but not emo, i won't go that far

[J~$$$]

I bet it must feel like a stroke everytime you come up with a cognitive thought.

[danno828]

Main Entry: cog·ni·tive
Pronunciation: 'käg-n&t-iv
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or being conscious intellectual activity (as thinking, reasoning, remembering, imagining, or learning words)

gee, thanks

[TomAz]

you really had to look 'cognitive' up?

[danno828]

haha, yeah

[J~$$$]

Learnin words.

Next year you may be able to recognize and define shapes. Maybe.

[danno828]

shapes?
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4784/gooniessb8.jpg

[corbo]

back to topic
Weezer is not emo
they're gay
but not emo, i won't go that far

current emo is gay
not weezer

[SojuGorae]

back to topic
Weezer is not emo
they're gay
but not emo, i won't go that far

hahahahahahahaha

[kroqken]

Weezer was boring at Coachella 2005. However, Weezer is not emo. If Weezer is emo, than Fat Albert is anorexic.

[rage patton]

have you REALLY listened to the cd. have you read the lyrics?

i dont understand how anyone can say Pinkerton is not emo?

what is your definition of emo?

Ummm...
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/silverstein.jpg (http://xs.to)
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/HawthorneHeights.jpg (http://xs.to)
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/emohair.jpg (http://xs.to)
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/emohairgirl.jpg (http://xs.to)
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/crybabies.jpg (http://xs.to)

Thats basically my definition. Musically and image wise.
Also, see my sig.
For the record, I think Pinkerton is a brilliant album. I love it. With that being said, I do not think it is an emo album and they are not/were not an emo band.
What makes, in your eyes, Weezer an emo band? Or at least, Pinkerton an emo album?

[kroqken]

That girl in the picture above me is fucking hot, although she probably has horrible taste in music.

[rage patton]

That girl in the picture above me is fucking hot, although she probably has horrible taste in music.

Shes probably also 15.

[kroqken]

Oops, I prefer women well over 18, including the girl I currently like.

[kroqken]

Weezer is way better than the emo bands of today.

[kroqken]

Is there any plans for a new Weezer album? I heard the band is on "hiatus."

[TomAz]

I wish you were on "hiatus" from the board, Ken.

[algunz]

Who cares about where they are categorized? Their music is fun and me likes.

[TomAz]

IS ALGUNZ AND EMO BOARD MEMBER?

[algunz]

Yes, I'm cutting and crying right now.

[TomAz]

awesome. wanna to to the Silverstein concert?

[algunz]

Can't, going to see 30 seconds to Mars after I taper my jeans and bleach my bangs.

[kroqken]

I think Rivers Cuomo should come out with a solo album, it would be interesting!