All Points West

[Ey3con]

Is where I'm going.

Who else is jumping ship with me?

[theonewiththewurlitzer]

All Points West is the new Coachella.

[MassiveChemicalPunk]

I'm in!!!!!

[faxman75]

New York Prices with no camping option. Score!

[Ey3con]

Rather pay that than dish out Coachella money to see Jack Johnson.

EDIT: I'm crashing some family I have out there.

[CHIPSnDIP]

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[nothingman00]

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Someone please ban this fucking idiot. Actually, ban all these "2 Girls 1 Cup" assholes. Enough.

[suprefan]

Robert is starting the freaking mutiny.

[Ey3con]

Haha <3

[vinylmartyr]

Jack Johnson is headlining that fest too.

[Ey3con]

No, he was rumored.

He WILL NOT headline it, guaranteed.

[suprefan]

No, he was rumored.

He WILL NOT headline it, guaranteed.

ITS HAPPENING!!!!



Hi Vinyl, long time no see.

[idrive1life]

Woot!

Hi Jeff!

http://www.apwfestival.com/

[C DUB YA]

I am heading East!

[C DUB YA]

New York Prices with no camping option. Score!

NY for me will be a LOT cheaper. Not everyone who goes to Coachella every year lives in cali my friend

[suprefan]

But it All Points West


MUAHAHAHAHAH

[woogie846]

I'd wait to see if you're going or not, the line up isn't even out yet.

[rage patton]

Hmmm... I dont think this is the best name for a festival...

[Bosco]

I'm a Eastchellan, and I'm Proud.

[ArcadeParade]

Hotel booked, still pumped for Coachella though....just sucks my friends will not be excited immediately, errr have become un-excited.

[idrive1life]

Go EastChella!

[JustSteve]

Hmmm... I dont think this is the best name for a festival...

did you read the story behind it? actually kinda deep.

[Tylerdurden31]

I think I might jump ship. Portishead will definitely be in NY sometime in the next year. Otherwise, I'm not all that stoked about too much or have seen a lot of these acts already

[C DUB YA]

I have already jumped.

One thing I know is Jack Johnson won't be there, not after his warm reception this afternoon.

[HEADSTRUCK]

i might go to the ny/nj event depending on line up but coachella is def out after seeing what i have seen today.....

[Ey3con]

Haha f u Chris.

Jack won't be there. They specifically said they want to 'differentiate' between the two and they wouldn't really doing that if they had the same 'headliner' (I still can't believe he is considered as such) in the same year.

[kreutz2112]

No, he was rumored.

He WILL NOT headline it, guaranteed.

He was rumored for coachella too.

[paulb]

Ill def go to APW if Radiohead are headlining with more solid acts...

[suprefan]

Haha f u Chris.

Jack won't be there. They specifically said they want to 'differentiate' between the two and they wouldn't really doing that if they had the same 'headliner' (I still can't believe he is considered as such) in the same year.

ITS HAPPENING!!! You cannot escape. Kind of fun over here isnt it?

[SometimesNJ]

definitely goin to both coachella and APW

[paulb]

ITS HAPPENING!!! You cannot escape. Kind of fun over here isnt it?

yo that, No doubt.

[Ey3con]

ITS HAPPENING!!! You cannot escape. Kind of fun over here isnt it?

Ya actually it kind of is hah.

[ultraslow]

the weather should be more bearable than coach

[JustSteve]

haha, what? nyc in august???

[gmoneyak]

I think APW will have a decent lineup this year, their inaugural year.. They might even take some of the luster away from Coachella in '08.

In 09' Coachella will revert back to dominance, especially with it's 10 year anniversary coming up. GV just needs to pump some hype into it's new festival..

[ladadata]

radiohead will be at coachella

[tessalasset]

gmoneyak, thank you. duh. goldenvoice is putting on a new festival. of course they're going to put radiohead at that one instead of an already established fest. if i can get the time off, i'm gonna try to make it out there. except new jersey in august....bleh.

[bballarl]

Okay, look. I was pissed about Jack Johnson too. But four other acts play at the same time. You can totally avoid him. That day is worth it for Sharon Jones and the Verve alone.

[breakjaw]

I wish Madness and Battles weren't on Friday,or I could save some money by only going two days.But,at the risk of getting stuff thrown at my head,I quite like Jack Johnson/Ben Harper when they cover Bob Marley.To me this is a better headliner than Tiesto or RHCP,even though I skipped both of those for the alternatives,which I'll most likely do here also.

[gmoneyak]

gmoneyak, thank you. duh. goldenvoice is putting on a new festival. of course they're going to put radiohead at that one instead of an already established fest. if i can get the time off, i'm gonna try to make it out there. except new jersey in august....bleh.


I'm not sure If you're just fuckin' w/me or just bitter.. I was probably just stating the obvious, but whatever.

[bballarl]

She was being serious. She works for GV.

[gmoneyak]

Right On..

[tessalasset]

Not even that...I'm just stating the obvious, which people for some reason either don't see or won't accept.

[Amneeziac]

I have to go to a wedding on August 9th. What a bitch.

[suprefan]

Not even that...I'm just stating the obvious, which people for some reason either don't see or won't accept.

Nobody is accepting it cause they just dont see how Coachella supposedly gets ''shortchanged'' in general on this line up.



Like a handful of people on this board now, after this whole day see things how it should be, but what do I know right?

[waxybk]

New York Prices with no camping option. Score!

You can actually find some decent priced hotels that are somewhat close. And since it is in New Jersey and not New York, that helps out a little bit. Even so, you don't need a car which also helps because you don't have to pay for gas.

[Tylerdurden31]

the weather should be more bearable than coach

haha, what? nyc in august???

NYC in august could be anywhere from the 60s to 100...so the likelihood of it being bearable is higher

[waxybk]

Yea at night it might be in the 60s but during the day it will be hotter, obviously. The only thing is the humidity here on the east coast is a bitch!

[Harrisment]

Anyone know the best way to look up hotels in the area of where APW is going to be?

Also, is there a good message board to check out rumored lineups for bonnaroo? The one on bonnaroo.com looks pretty lame.

[Tylerdurden31]

Anyone know the best way to look up hotels in the area of where APW is going to be?

Also, is there a good message board to check out rumored lineups for bonnaroo? The one on bonnaroo.com looks pretty lame.

here's hotels in and near jersey city...if you look at the map, the park is at the bottom

http://www.hotels.com/processRefineSearchResults.do?paging=1&sortBy=HCOMPICK&searchID=AC102643-CD1B-D391-1792-C6AAF2E966D8&searchMtmPropertySupplierId=&searchType=&chooseAlternateDestination=false&propertyIdsToCompareString=&destination=usertyped&addressID=&mtnHotelID=&CIMonth=8&CIDay=8&CIYear=2008&COMonth=8&CODay=11&COYear=2008&usertypedcity=Jersey+City%2C+New+Jersey%2C+US&street1=&street2=&acDestinationId=6AE2CF5A-6EA0-4769-BEC1-16E1D99EC98B&acDestinationType=1&lat=&lon=&pointName=&checkIn=8%2F8%2F2008&checkOut=8%2F11%2F2008&numrooms=1&adults%5B0%5D=2&child%5B0%5D=0&adults%5B1%5D=2&child%5B1%5D=0&adults%5B2%5D=2&child%5B2%5D=0&adults%5B3%5D=2&child%5B3%5D=0&adults%5B4%5D=2&child%5B4%5D=0&adults%5B5%5D=2&child%5B5%5D=0&adults%5B6%5D=2&child%5B6%5D=0&adults%5B7%5D=2&child%5B7%5D=0&hotelName=&allPropertyTypesSelected=on&minPriceStr=0&maxPriceStr=500%2B&minStarRating=1.0&maxStarRating=5.0&guestRatingMin=1.0&guestRatingMax=5.0&sortType=HCOMPICK&pageNumber=1&numProperties=1&checkIn=8%2F8%2F2008&checkOut=8%2F11%2F2008

try looking in manhattan also...the PATH train goes from manhattan to hoboken and then pick up the light rail directly to the park. Plus there's port authority buses too.

[waxybk]

Even though brooklyn is a bit of a ways to get to Jersey...add an additional 30 minutes, check out some Brooklyn hotels. It will be cheaper than the hotels in Manhattan.

Even so, you could just go further into Jersey to find a decent rate. Hotels in Jersey are way cheaper than in NY.

[C DUB YA]

yeah but its Jersey....

Also Vineland Festival is the SAME WEEKEND!

[Tylerdurden31]

yeah but its Jersey....

Also Vineland Festival is the SAME WEEKEND!

OMGZZZZZ...Vineland is like 2 and a half hours south of Liberty State Park...won't be an issue. I expect All Points West will destroy Vineland

[Tylerdurden31]

Even though brooklyn is a bit of a ways to get to Jersey...add an additional 30 minutes, check out some Brooklyn hotels. It will be cheaper than the hotels in Manhattan.

Even so, you could just go further into Jersey to find a decent rate. Hotels in Jersey are way cheaper than in NY.

according to hopstop.com...from sheepshead bay to liberty state park, it's about an hour and 40 minutes.

Driving's possible...should be 40 minutes without traffic...but...getting out of the parking lot would probably take at least an hour...so transit it is. Anyone know how late NJ Transit and PATH trains run?

[waxybk]

The path runs all night, I am almost positive. The NJ transit I think stops for a few hours around 3am. Not 100% about either of those.

Sheepshead Bay would not be the area in Brooklyn you would want to stay in if you were to do so. But yes, it would be another 30 minutes or so added to your trip from Manhattan. Manhattan is just really expensive, from my experience. Everytime someone comes to visit NY they complain about the prices of hotels.

Best bet for hotels prices...imo...is to go deeper into Jersey and rent a car.

[Tylerdurden31]

The path runs all night, I am almost positive. The NJ transit I think stops for a few hours around 3am. Not 100% about either of those.

Sheepshead Bay would not be the area in Brooklyn you would want to stay in if you were to do so. But yes, it would be another 30 minutes or so added to your trip from Manhattan. Manhattan is just really expensive, from my experience. Everytime someone comes to visit NY they complain about the prices of hotels.

Best bet for hotels prices...imo...is to go deeper into Jersey and rent a car.

well...i live in sheepshead bay...so that'll be pretty cheap ;)

[waxybk]

well...i live in sheepshead bay...so that'll be pretty cheap ;)

Hehe....cool.

I was like why did he randomly choose that location. It all makes sense now!

[christian]

As someone who lives on the New Jersey border about 90 minutes from the APW site in Jersey City, and who is a three year Coachella vet, the APW fest is a bad idea. Part of the joy of Coachella is the location, the vibe, the crowd, the overall mood and atmosphere. If it is in Jersey, IT WILL SUCK ASS!!! I will go, but it will not have the same joy and anticipation, it will turn into another east coast event full of assholes bent on getting drunk, acting like it is their first rodeo, screaming for "The Boss," and looking for ways to disrupt everything that is happening. In fact, I think I will just stay home. My prediction, at least three people get shot.

[kreutz2112]

That was a comical post. Best post of the day so far.

[JSam67]

As someone who lives on the New Jersey border about 90 minutes from the APW site in Jersey City, and who is a three year Coachella vet, the APW fest is a bad idea. Part of the joy of Coachella is the location, the vibe, the crowd, the overall mood and atmosphere. If it is in Jersey, IT WILL SUCK ASS!!! I will go, but it will not have the same joy and anticipation, it will turn into another east coast event full of assholes bent on getting drunk, acting like it is their first rodeo, screaming for "The Boss," and looking for ways to disrupt everything that is happening. In fact, I think I will just stay home. My prediction, at least three people get shot.

Y'know, at Pearl Jam at Lolla last year, there were a ton of New Yorkers in Chicago cuz I think the Mets were playing the Cubs or something. Anyway, on day 3, there was a noticeable increase in drunkenness and shoving and shouts of "Pearl Jam!!" and I guess a bunch of East Coasters had come in for the wkend of baseball and Pearl Jam.

I know that will all sound very stereotypical, but there was a totally different vibe from the previous 2 days. And Coachella has a vibe completely its own, which adds to the specialness of it. I wouldn't want to see Radiohead in New Jersey (no offense). But, I think it will be a big success despite the atmosphere/crowd. If in fact it does take a bit away from Coachella's lineup, then selfishly I would hope that it flops. But I'm happy for you guys out East. Other than Lolla, I usually have quite a trip to get from here to music.

[waxybk]

Coachella is amazing, the experience, the vibe, all that. But I think the NY/NJ area needs something like this. We have Randalls Island events, like Rock the Bells. But why shouldn't the NY/NJ area have an event like this?

No one is going to get shot, there will be drunk assholes same as any other event. I think people are going to be so in shock that something like this is happening. There have only been few memorable outdoor events like this that I can remember going to around here. Most of them being huge outdoor raves, which don't happen here anymore.

[Tylerdurden31]

the drunks come out for certain bands...we're not all drunks in NY/NJ...okay maybe Jersey.

Bands that are huge, a la Pearl Jam, Bon Jovi, Smashing Pumpkins, Rage Against the Machine...are gonna bring out drunks. It happens.

[waxybk]

It's funny how there is this miconception of people from NY/NJ.

[Tylerdurden31]

It's funny how there is this miconception of people from NY/NJ.

it's okay...i have a certain conception about people from LA

[waxybk]

it's okay...i have a certain conception about people from LA

ha....true.

[C DUB YA]

OMGZZZZZ...Vineland is like 2 and a half hours south of Liberty State Park...won't be an issue. I expect All Points West will destroy Vineland

I understand where Vineland is - I used to live there.

[Ardentbiscuit]

My friend who lives near that park said at that time of year the weather is going to be unbearable for an outdoor concert.

Did they even confirm Radiohead at that press conference or is everyone going on previously posted rumors?

[C DUB YA]

WHOA!!!!

Just heard it on BBC1 - BBC reporting Morrissey is in talks to headline one night of a big music festival in New jersey, didn't specify which one, but ackowledged multiple options for the singer.

[Boourns]

Forget All Points West, Vineland may be where it's at. On-site camping, and supporting it doesn't send the message that it's okay to shortchange one festival in favor of starting a new one.

[Tylerdurden31]

My friend who lives near that park said at that time of year the weather is going to be unbearable for an outdoor concert.

Did they even confirm Radiohead at that press conference or is everyone going on previously posted rumors?

averages for jersey city in august: high 81, low 66.

no one confirmed radiohead...just speculation

WHOA!!!!

Just heard it on BBC1 - BBC reporting Morrissey is in talks to headline one night of a big music festival in New jersey, didn't specify which one, but ackowledged multiple options for the singer.

I'd rather have Jack Johnson

[Jonny]

lol
Jack Johnson.
riiiiiiight.

Where can i get my 1 Jack, 1 Cup shirt?

[Tylerdurden31]

welcome to my ignore list

[C DUB YA]

Jack Johnson over Morrissey - ok we need to talk.

[orbit]

The path runs all night, I am almost positive. The NJ transit I think stops for a few hours around 3am. Not 100% about either of those.

Sheepshead Bay would not be the area in Brooklyn you would want to stay in if you were to do so. But yes, it would be another 30 minutes or so added to your trip from Manhattan. Manhattan is just really expensive, from my experience. Everytime someone comes to visit NY they complain about the prices of hotels.

Best bet for hotels prices...imo...is to go deeper into Jersey and rent a car.

Good info, thanks!

I'm looking forward to Eastchella but don't want to get raped by hotel prices. Any more advices will be truly appreciated.

[Tylerdurden31]

Jack Johnson over Morrissey - ok we need to talk.

my hatred for The Smiths is unequaled. I really don't wanna see Jack Johnson...and I could care less about The Smiths, Morrissey or their crappy music. In my opinion, Johnny Marr joining Modest Mouse is the best thing they've done. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[waxybk]

Good info, thanks!

I'm looking forward to Eastchella but don't want to get raped by hotel prices. Any more advices will be truly appreciated.

For sure! I am moving to the west coast in 3 months, but I am definitely coming back home for this event!

[C DUB YA]

my hatred for The Smiths is unequaled. I really don't wanna see Jack Johnson...and I could care less about The Smiths, Morrissey or their crappy music. In my opinion, Johnny Marr joining Modest Mouse is the best thing they've done. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Well I understand your entitled to your opinion... even if it is wrong.

[thinnerair]

Im out here in Cali until May, which is awesome because I ll be cutting down on my Coachella expenses. It's even cooler that I ll be back in Brooklyn for the summer and won't have far to commute to that festival either.

[C DUB YA]

Good info, thanks!

I'm looking forward to Eastchella but don't want to get raped by hotel prices. Any more advices will be truly appreciated.

Both do not run all night

[C DUB YA]

My friend who lives near that park said at that time of year the weather is going to be unbearable for an outdoor concert.

Did they even confirm Radiohead at that press conference or is everyone going on previously posted rumors?

yeah unbearable - like say 120 in the desert, in a tent, where people are packed like sardines, dancing?

[Tylerdurden31]

Well I understand your entitled to your opinion... even if it is wrong.

I should've expected this

yeah unbearable - like say 120 in the desert, in a tent, where people are packed like sardines, dancing?

the unbearable part is the humidity. When it's 90 degrees and there's about 90% humidity...it's unbearable

[thinnerair]

yeah. it gets pretty fierce in August in Jersey.

[J~$$$]

yeah. it gets pretty fierce in August in Jersey.

HAYYYYYYYYY!!!

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[KungFuJoe]

i think it's funny that people are actually trying to predict what the weather will be like in NY/NJ in August. Chances are great there than in Coachella that it will be gross. It could rain, it could be hot & humid or, who knows, it could actually be quite beaitiful. We can only hope. Fact is though, the weather out there is so erratic & unpredictable you will have no clue until a few days before the event.

I plan on attending this if the lineup is truly kick ass or if it happens to be my only chance of catching Radiohead this summer. One thing it will probably trump Coachella on is it's cerfew. Screw camping. These are going to be three sleepless nights.

[suprefan]

Hmmmm, Moz in some Jersey sun, it could be quite the thing.




Soooo not announcing until May after Coachella. You guys are going to be torn if it ends up being sub par and you didnt make the trek to Indio cause of JJ.

[JustSteve]

Good info, thanks!

I'm looking forward to Eastchella but don't want to get raped by hotel prices. Any more advices will be truly appreciated.

doubletree 2 miles from the venue, right by the river, $200/night with AAA, not bad based on my research a couple weeks ago.

"Tastefully appointed two-room suites provide separate living and sleeping areas featuring our incredibly comfortable Sweet Dreams beds and high-speed internet access. Some of our guest suites offer waterfront views of the Hudson River and a spectacular view of the New York City skyline. Stay in shape while you travel in our fitness center (complimentary for hotel guests), or take an invigorating jog on the running path overlooking the Hudson River next to the hotel. Enjoy new American cuisine in a casual atmosphere at our full service 4fifty5 Restaurant & Bar. Newport Centre Mall, the NY/NJ Path Train, and the Harborside Ferry are located within walking distance of the hotel."

http://maps.hilton.com/mq3/mqserver.dll?e=0&GetMapFromSession.1=SessionID:4796446a-02c9-ffff-02b6-4442-000d60ecfdc6,DisplayState.1:0,72,1,Authentication. 2:,,,1045233043,

here (http://doubletree1.hilton.com/en_US/dt/hotel/EWRWTDT-Doubletree-Hotel-Jersey-City-New-Jersey/index.do;jsessionid=67C9724AEFF06A464D8364BE2385F7 6D.etc52?brand_id=DT&brand_directory=/en/dt/&xch=127729107,MSYEKVHIIQBZ4CSGBIW222Q)

[waxybk]

i think it's funny that people are actually trying to predict what the weather will be like in NY/NJ in August. Chances are great there than in Coachella that it will be gross. It could rain, it could be hot & humid or, who knows, it could actually be quite beaitiful. We can only hope. Fact is though, the weather out there is so erratic & unpredictable you will have no clue until a few days before the event.

I plan on attending this if the lineup is truly kick ass or if it happens to be my only chance of catching Radiohead this summer. One thing it will probably trump Coachella on is it's cerfew. Screw camping. These are going to be three sleepless nights.

Just based on the typical NY/NJ weather and having lived her for my entire life...that's what the weather tends to be. But at the same time, yes sometimes the weather makes no sense here. Like how yesterday it was 5 degress with the wind chill factor and last week it was like 60.

[orbit]

doubletree 2 miles from the venue, right by the river, $200/night with AAA, not bad based on my research a couple weeks ago.

http://doubletree1.hilton.com/en_US/dt/hotel/EWRWTDT-Doubletree-Hotel-Jersey-City-New-Jersey/index.do;jsessionid=67C9724AEFF06A464D8364BE2385F7 6D.etc52?brand_id=DT&brand_directory=/en/dt/&xch=127729107,MSYEKVHIIQBZ4CSGBIW222Q


Yeah, thanks.

But I might be looking something cheaper, but not so far away at the same time. I guess I'll be fine if the hotel is within 10-15 miles from the venue. Public transportation over there is huge, so getting to the park wouldn't be that chaotic I guess. But I'll probably book a room in that hotel just in case.

[Tylerdurden31]

Hmmmm, Moz in some Jersey sun, it could be quite the thing.

"Jersey sun" is a funny phrase to me

[ThomThom]

Soooo not announcing until May after Coachella. You guys are going to be torn if it ends up being sub par and you didnt make the trek to Indio cause of JJ.

I doubt that they would announce the lineup in May for a festival that will be held in early August. I'm predicting March sometime. It's not like Coachella would be losing money because whoever doesn't attend Coachella would attend APW.

[kreutz2112]

no way. They will announce the lineup AFTER coachella. There is less of a chance for them to lose money if they do it that way.

[Tylerdurden31]

just because most of the people on this board would be willing to travel cross country for a festival, doesn't mean people that aren't on this board would

[rage patton]

Forget All Points West, Vineland may be where it's at. On-site camping, and supporting it doesn't send the message that it's okay to shortchange one festival in favor of starting a new one.

Are you really that bitter about the line up? Sure Jack Johnson is a very questionable headliner, and although Portishead would have been a solid sub-headliner, it will still be amazing to see them. With Kraftwerk playing right before or right after no less. And Roger Waters is no Pink Floyd, but he is the closest were going to get... well I guess we could gotten David Gilmour... but seeing Dark Side of The Moon under the desert stars is going to be amazing.
Also, the 3rd line and lower acts are solid as hell. Better then last years even. I suggest taking another hard look at the line up.

[ThomThom]

no way. They will announce the lineup AFTER coachella. There is less of a chance for them to lose money if they do it that way.

That's not really giving out of towners ample time to be prepared for a trip to Jersey. The website also says lineup is expected in the coming weeks....Oh fuck it, who knows at this point.

[orbit]

Are you really that bitter about the line up? Sure Jack Johnson is a very questionable headliner, and although Portishead would have been a solid sub-headliner, it will still be amazing to see them. With Kraftwerk playing right before or right after no less. And Roger Waters is no Pink Floyd, but he is the closest were going to get... well I guess we could gotten David Gilmour... but seeing Dark Side of The Moon under the desert stars is going to be amazing.
Also, the 3rd line and lower acts are solid as hell. Better then last years even. I suggest taking another hard look at the line up.

Yeah, I gave it another look last night and found other good acts I'd love to see but didn't realize because the shock Jack Johnson caused in my brain. So, I erased his name from the poster I have in my computer, and everything looks so much better now.

[waxybk]

I would think around May. Would make sense based on the amount of time we got the announcement for Coachella. There is plenty of time to hype it up until then.

[suprefan]

That's not really giving out of towners ample time to be prepared for a trip to Jersey. The website also says lineup is expected in the coming weeks....Oh fuck it, who knows at this point.

I am thinking about it. Either they wait another month to announce so Coachella gets some decent tickets sales plus they add. Or, they wait til Coachella is done, playing it a bit safe and they at least meet their expected attendance numbers.




Like I said earlier, Superfly doesnt announce Vegoose until AFTER Roo, why make people have to really choose? Right now people are picking one or the other, not both. Like 2% of the people on here will attend both festivals this year. I am on the fence.

[Ardentbiscuit]

What if radiohead doesn't come through and the headliners are Jack Johnson, RHCP and Bon Jovi, then what?

[suprefan]

Well everyone who has ''revolted'' is going to be loving the 2008 line up.

[luveebunni08]

well, the more people heading east will mean more room at coachella. i'm ok with that, but ih the APW lineup is better i'll feel a little sad.

[3x5sunrise]

It's definitely going to be gamble choosing one over the other. After a college-tenure's worth of Coachellas, I thought it would be fun to road trip to another festival. This lineup is making Eastchella very, very appealing.

But I still don't want to break the date with the Polo Fields. Old habits die hard.

[Tylerdurden31]

It's definitely going to be gamble choosing one over the other. After a college-tenure's worth of Coachellas, I thought it would be fun to road trip to another festival. This lineup is making Eastchella very, very appealing.

But I still don't want to break the date with the Polo Fields. Old habits die hard.

so go to both...done deal...i might

[musicsnob]

Y'know, at Pearl Jam at Lolla last year, there were a ton of New Yorkers in Chicago cuz I think the Mets were playing the Cubs or something. Anyway, on day 3, there was a noticeable increase in drunkenness and shoving and shouts of "Pearl Jam!!" and I guess a bunch of East Coasters had come in for the wkend of baseball and Pearl Jam.

I know that will all sound very stereotypical, but there was a totally different vibe from the previous 2 days. And Coachella has a vibe completely its own, which adds to the specialness of it. I wouldn't want to see Radiohead in New Jersey (no offense). But, I think it will be a big success despite the atmosphere/crowd. If in fact it does take a bit away from Coachella's lineup, then selfishly I would hope that it flops. But I'm happy for you guys out East. Other than Lolla, I usually have quite a trip to get from here to music.



that cracks me up. no, not stereotypical at all. it was a pearl jam concert. you get pearl jam fans. from everywere. same thing happened at lolla for RHCP in 06 (and i'm sure Tool at coachella in 06). i doubt tool fans from new york filled up coachella then because the mets were playing the dodgers.

i have been to coachella (05) and lolla (94, 06, 07). and i have lived in jersey, 20min from NYC all my life. i agree that the setting of coachella is beautiful and the weather is nice (damn cold at night, though). i still had fun at lolla despite 98% humidity. but if you think that there is a more gorgeous site than seeing a radiohead show (like the one in jersey city in 2001 just before 9/11) with the nyc skyline in the background, you're crazy.

my concerns w/ apw are:
1) transit. the path does in fact run all night from nyc, but driving to the show from other places may get crazy - parking is not very good
2) lineup - traditionally, it's been tough to have a festival so near nyc b/c bands all want to play nyc on their own and usually festivals have non-compete issues. some bands may pass
3) competition from vineland

the one major advantage of APW over every other festival since the dawn of time is - NYC. no trying to find a hotel party after hours in palm springs or the few clubs in chicago that stay open. the whole city of new york is always open.

as for those bitching about loosing bands to new york. i think the real problem w/ coachella is competing with it's own past success. look beyond the headliners, this year's lineup is damn good

[Courtney]

no way. They will announce the lineup AFTER coachella. There is less of a chance for them to lose money if they do it that way.

I hate that you are probably correct. They announced the Coachella lineup 3 months before the festival, so by that standard the APW lineup would be announced in the beginning of May.

[waxybk]

but if you think that there is a more gorgeous site than seeing a radiohead show (like the one in jersey city in 2001 just before 9/11) with the nyc skyline in the background, you're crazy.



Amazing show!!!!!!!!!! fucking amazing!!!

[C DUB YA]

well, the more people heading east will mean more room at coachella. i'm ok with that, but ih the APW lineup is better i'll feel a little sad.

NOPE.

Gone are the days of smaller crowds at Coachella, there is a lot of distance between NY and LA. I've said this before.

[C DUB YA]

Hmmmm, Moz in some Jersey sun, it could be quite the thing.




Soooo not announcing until May after Coachella. You guys are going to be torn if it ends up being sub par and you didnt make the trek to Indio cause of JJ.

No - I got other options (UK)

[C DUB YA]

What if radiohead doesn't come through and the headliners are Jack Johnson, RHCP and Bon Jovi, then what?

then HELLO Lollapalooza!

No seriously, I'd like to think Coachella knows the festival comp is rougher this year, and they won't gamble in dropping the ball out east.

[3x5sunrise]

so go to both...done deal...i might

Way too much money. Not that if I did have any money, it wouldn't be worth it, but yeah. I'm pessimistic about abusing my financial aid further.

[C DUB YA]

Way too much money. Not that if I did have any money, it wouldn't be worth it, but yeah. I'm pessimistic about abusing my financial aid further.

thats a good call - one or the other is a smarter bet

[Jerm05]

then HELLO Lollapalooza!



That's what i'm sayin.

[Boourns]

Are you really that bitter about the line up? Sure Jack Johnson is a very questionable headliner, and although Portishead would have been a solid sub-headliner, it will still be amazing to see them. With Kraftwerk playing right before or right after no less. And Roger Waters is no Pink Floyd, but he is the closest were going to get... well I guess we could gotten David Gilmour... but seeing Dark Side of The Moon under the desert stars is going to be amazing.
Also, the 3rd line and lower acts are solid as hell. Better then last years even. I suggest taking another hard look at the line up.

Yeah. In addition to what you said about the headliners, this year we have half as many subheadliners. And for more money. My Morning Jacket has Air's spot from last year's poster...how is this possible. And no, the third line and lower acts are in no way, shape, or form better than last year's. For the third and fourth lines last year we had Jarvis Cocker, Sonic Youth, DJ Shadow, Faithless, Travis, Blonde Redhead, LCD Soundsystem, Placebo, Willie Nelson, Explosions in the Sky. All that blows away this year's, which are full of stinkers (not that there weren't stinkers last year)? And as much as I looove Metric and want to see Gogol Bordello, they are not third line acts. Last year there were a dozen or so more acts I was interested in initially, as in before exploring the unknowns.

If another good subheadliner were playing each day, and some better undercard acts like Asobi Seksu, M83, Cat Power, Beirut, Amanda Palmer, etc, then it would be awesome instead of a let down.

I absolutely have to see Portishead, though. I wouldn't mind seeing Roger Waters, but if I really cared that much, I would have already seen him, right?

[musicsnob]

I am thinking about it. Either they wait another month to announce so Coachella gets some decent tickets sales plus they add. Or, they wait til Coachella is done, playing it a bit safe and they at least meet their expected attendance numbers.




Like I said earlier, Superfly doesnt announce Vegoose until AFTER Roo, why make people have to really choose? Right now people are picking one or the other, not both. Like 2% of the people on here will attend both festivals this year. I am on the fence.


i think they's give coachella a few weeks head start, but i doubt they'll wait until may. they want to get APW off the ground and will want to give it as long as possible to try to sell tix. even if it means sacrificing some east coasters like myself who would have considered the trip to Indio. i also think (or, just hope) that tix will be reasonably priced. tough sell at $300 for 3 days without the reputation of an established festival. the folks at c3 always do a superdiscount presale and multi-tier pricing for lolla, acl, and prob. vineland as well.

[garrett222]

Do you think the Ramada in Jersey City would be a good bet?

[Tylerdurden31]

Do you think the Ramada in Jersey City would be a good bet?

looks close enough...no idea about the neighborhood



so now where do i go for All Points West Festival rumors?

[Boourns]

Yeah, NYC never closes. Maybe it will be possible to bum around the city all weekend instead of getting a hotel.

Where's a safe place to catch a free nap at 2am?

[ThomThom]

Yeah, NYC never closes. Maybe it will be possible to bum around the city all weekend instead of getting a hotel.

Where's a safe place to catch a free nap at 2am?

Central Park near the Zoo

[Courtney]

Yeah, NYC never closes. Maybe it will be possible to bum around the city all weekend instead of getting a hotel.

Where's a safe place to catch a free nap at 2am?

Just stay at a youth hostel for like 30 bucks per night.

[Boourns]

Yeah, a hostel is always an acceptable last resort.

[thinnerair]

421 Broome Street

[Bosco]

doubletree 2 miles from the venue, right by the river, $200/night with AAA, not bad based on my research a couple weeks ago.

"Tastefully appointed two-room suites provide separate living and sleeping areas featuring our incredibly comfortable Sweet Dreams beds and high-speed internet access. Some of our guest suites offer waterfront views of the Hudson River and a spectacular view of the New York City skyline. Stay in shape while you travel in our fitness center (complimentary for hotel guests), or take an invigorating jog on the running path overlooking the Hudson River next to the hotel. Enjoy new American cuisine in a casual atmosphere at our full service 4fifty5 Restaurant & Bar. Newport Centre Mall, the NY/NJ Path Train, and the Harborside Ferry are located within walking distance of the hotel."

http://maps.hilton.com/mq3/mqserver.dll?e=0&GetMapFromSession.1=SessionID:4796446a-02c9-ffff-02b6-4442-000d60ecfdc6,DisplayState.1:0,72,1,Authentication. 2:,,,1045233043,

here (http://doubletree1.hilton.com/en_US/dt/hotel/EWRWTDT-Doubletree-Hotel-Jersey-City-New-Jersey/index.do;jsessionid=67C9724AEFF06A464D8364BE2385F7 6D.etc52?brand_id=DT&brand_directory=/en/dt/&xch=127729107,MSYEKVHIIQBZ4CSGBIW222Q)


I was looking at this last night and it looks like the cheapest choice for accommodations close to the festival.

Other than Orbit and I, would anyone want to share a room?

Also, the hotels out by the Newark Airport are decently priced, I just dont know if its gonna be easy to get back and forth from the hotel to the festival. Is there any direct public transportation to the state park?

[waxybk]

I was looking at this last night and it looks like the cheapest choice for accommodations close to the festival.

Other then Orbit and I, would anyone want to share a room?

Also, the hotels out by the Newark Airport are decently priced, I just dont know if its gonna be easy to get back and forth from the hotel to the festival. Is there any direct public transportation to the state park?

You should be able to. There is an NJ Transit train at Newark, not sure what times it runs. I know not all the trains go there. Then you can connect to the Path, which I think runs around Liberty State park...

Anyone can affirm that?

[rage patton]

Yeah. In addition to what you said about the headliners, this year we have half as many subheadliners. And for more money. My Morning Jacket has Air's spot from last year's poster...how is this possible. And no, the third line and lower acts are in no way, shape, or form better than last year's. For the third and fourth lines last year we had Jarvis Cocker, Sonic Youth, DJ Shadow, Faithless, Travis, Blonde Redhead, LCD Soundsystem, Placebo, Willie Nelson, Explosions in the Sky. All that blows away this year's, which are full of stinkers (not that there weren't stinkers last year)? And as much as I looove Metric and want to see Gogol Bordello, they are not third line acts. Last year there were a dozen or so more acts I was interested in initially, as in before exploring the unknowns.

The Verve are perfect subheadliners. And while The White Stripes would be prefered, The Raconteurs will be good too. Kraftwerk are legendary. I couldn't care less about Death Cab, I just really hope I don't have to sit through them to see Portishead. I had never heard of Love and Rockets until now, but now that I know who they are, their spot is well deserved. I also thought My Morning Jacket would be a third line act... but the Roger Water fans will love them. But thik about this, this year we have no Arctic Monkeys, Tiesto or Paul Van Dyk.
Also, I predicted if Justice and Gogol came back to Coachella, they would be on the third line. And they are. Both have gotten A LOT bigger since last Coachella. Also, Spiritualized on Sunday. I think Friday has the best third line with Madness, The Breeders and Fatboy Slim. A lot of people around here like The Swell Season and The National as well... but I have never listened to them. I do think the 3rd line on Saturday is a stretch though. MIA and Hot Chip? I dunno. If they they add another couple subheadliners, see below comment, it would make the line up a lot more apealing. Just pretend you don't see Jack Johnsons name above them.


If another good subheadliner were playing each day, and some better undercard acts like Asobi Seksu, M83, Cat Power, Beirut, Amanda Palmer, etc, then it would be awesome instead of a let down.

Also, I am pretty sure they will be adding another subheadliner to Friday and Saturday. Chemical Brothers or Underwold perhaps?
Also, I am kinda surprised Cat Power wasn't on the line up.


I absolutely have to see Portishead, though. I wouldn't mind seeing Roger Waters, but if I really cared that much, I would have already seen him, right?

Portishead and Kraftwerk? How could anyone miss that? And yeah, I guess all of us could have seen Roger Waters if we really wanted too. But there something about Dark Side of the Moon being played under the desert sky that has the strange apeal to me. That and there is a chance of a Pink Floyd reunion.

[Bosco]

You should be able to. There is an NJ Transit train at Newark, not sure what times it runs. I know not all the trains go there. Then you can connect to the Path, which I think runs around Liberty State park...

Anyone can affirm that?


Alright cool, cause if this is true, then I'll most definitely be staying out by the Airport and save me some big $.

[Courtney]

Also, the hotels out by the Newark Airport are decently priced, I just dont know if its gonna be easy to get back and forth from the hotel to the festival. Is there any direct public transportation to the state park?

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking you're going to need at least one transfer. You can check it out here: http://www.njtransit.com/

[waxybk]

Actually I think you have to take the NJ Light Rail..

Maybe they will set up some shuttles. Either way there is a way to get there by public transportation.

[suprefan]

No - I got other options (UK)

True, but you have to make the choice soon. Very few people can just pick which u.k, or euro fest to go to in a couple months from now because they sell out so fast and its pretty pricey. Im not saying its not doable, its just most people dont do it. Glasto gets announced in Mrch/April and then sells out in a matter of hours, hopefully you get to see all the options.





Anyway, my only thing is the hotel thing with this. I can deal with weather issues thats like secondary. I just put in a request for time off that weekend. Luckily I am off normally that weekend so I dont have to use massive amounts of vacation hours since Radiohead will take that a couple weeks after APW, if I even go.

[orbit]

Actually I think you have to take the NJ Light Rail..

Maybe they will set up some shuttles. Either way there is a way to get there by public transportation.

Yeah, there should be shuttles from some hotels to the venue. I hope they release the information soon, before prices increase.

[Bosco]

I'm not sure, but I'm thinking you're going to need at least one transfer. You can check it out here: http://www.njtransit.com/

thanks for that Courtney.


Hmmmm, according to the this Itinerary Planning thing from the NJ trasit (http://atisweb.njtransit.com/cgi-bin/itin_page.pl0) its gonna cost about $25 round trip from the festival to the airport hotel area every day, with 2 transfers each way...

crossing my fingers for shuttles


edit: just a $2 ride each way from the doubletree. NICE

[JustSteve]

Yeah, there should be shuttles from some hotels to the venue. I hope they release the information soon, before prices increase.

just book a bunch of different places now, as long as they don't charge your credit card until arrival it is no problem canceling.

[ThomThom]

I'm just trying to figure out if Radiohead (if in fact they are playing) will play a solo gig before or after their festival performance. If they are just doing the festival I'm saving my money. I'd only plan a vacation out there if they were at least doing two nights rather than one festival set.

[ThomThom]

I also have a pretty dumb question for any New Yorkers or recent visitors of New York...

Is the ferry used to get to the Statue of Liberty the same ferry that takes you to Liberty State Park? I can't remember, I haven't been there in a while.

[Boourns]

But thik about this, this year we have no Arctic Monkeys, Tiesto or Paul Van Dyk.
Yeah, there are bad acts every year, lol. But most of the not-terrible acts this year are of the meh to decent variety, and missing some of the necessary great or amazings. Of the bands I do want to see, most are bands I want to check out or kinda like, rather than genuinely love.

Also, I predicted if Justice and Gogol came back to Coachella, they would be on the third line. And they are. Both have gotten A LOT bigger since last Coachella.
Well Justice certainly has gotten a lot bigger, Gogol Bordello too, but not to that extent. And not to the extend of being billed that high. Not hating on them, of course, but they played Vegoose at the start of the day.

Also, Spiritualized on Sunday. I think Friday has the best third line with Madness, The Breeders and Fatboy Slim. A lot of people around here like The Swell Season and The National as well... but I have never listened to them. I do think the 3rd line on Saturday is a stretch though. MIA and Hot Chip? I dunno. If they they add another couple subheadliners, see below comment, it would make the line up a lot more apealing. Just pretend you don't see Jack Johnsons name above them.
I have zero interest in seeing The Swell Season, Madness, or Hot Chip and the National is so bland and dull it's like an indie Nickelback. MIA sounds fun live, though.

[thelastgreatman]

You have zero interest in seeing Hot Chip? Why do you keep having such annoying opinions?

[PassiveTheory]

Hot Chip is awesome and all, but the point to be made is...

I hope Jersechella fails.

...

It won't, but I really despise it's existence.

[anti-square]

Well Justice certainly has gotten a lot bigger, Gogol Bordello too, but not to that extent. And not to the extend of being billed that high. Not hating on them, of course, but they played Vegoose at the start of the day.




Gogol starting at noon and conflicting with Blonde Redhead(or was it Battles?) was an epic fail on Superflys behalf.

[Boourns]

You have zero interest in seeing Hot Chip? Why do you keep having such annoying opinions?

I saw them last year. Nothing more than another hipster fashion statement.

[suprefan]

Gogol starting at noon and conflicting with Blonde Redhead(or was it Battles?) was an epic fail on Superflys behalf.

Conflict with Battles. Well it kind of showed how much they even cared at that point which was none cause they obviously spent too much money on Rage, Muse and DP to get like 5 or 6 more acts to possibly grab a few more thousand ticket sales.

[thelastgreatman]

I saw them last year. Nothing more than another hipster fashion statement.

What the fuck are babbling about? How are they a fashion statement? Sorry all those other people had so much fun.

And both you and Passive should be ashamed of yourselves for wishing failure on Goldenvoice. Ungrateful little cocksuckers.

[waxybk]

I like Hot Chip...

[kreutz2112]

I had a great time at Hot Chip last year.

[suprefan]

We shouldve called it '' Sweat Chip'' last year.

[thelastgreatman]

OH MY GOD... THE WIT!

[PassiveTheory]

Yes, I REALLY should be grateful for a festival on the east coast that's taking away talent (this includes RH and MBV but doesn't mean JUST them) from Coachella, right... No, that's not how shit works.

[JustSteve]

who has said that all points west is taking away talent? did goldenvoice say that? did paul say that? oh right, it's stupid ass speculation on your part. you are an idiot.

[thelastgreatman]

You don't even like Radiohead you fat goofy fuck.

[PassiveTheory]

Are you honestly underestimating Goldenvoice?...

It's that festival's first year, they don't want it to flop like Woodstock 99', they don't want it to be akin to the other festivals in the region, and why the hell wouldn't Paul Tollett and company NOT want to swoop in with a massive load of talent and lay waste to all the other festivals on the east coast?

Mark my words, there won't be talent anywhere near the level of awfulness as Slightly Stoopid or Tegan and Sara on the undercard, nor a headliner like Jack Johnson...

[PassiveTheory]

You don't even like Radiohead you fat goofy fuck.

I do now. Is that a problem?

[thelastgreatman]

Yes, considering how you lobbied endlessly for them to NOT be at Coachella this year all over the fucking board because you hated them so much. YES. THAT'S A PROBLEM. Hypocritical fairweather friend fuck.

[Funktified_rhythm]

I agree with Passive...There's no way the line-up would be this weak if they weren't adding the NJ show. By saturating the market with yet ANOTHER US music festival they are diluting the talent pool. AND because it is the inaugural show so close to NY, I really feel like they are trying to make a big impression at the expense of the already established Coachella festival. I for one am waiting for the lineup to be released to be sure, but my guess is that I'll be making a trek out east this Summer.

[thelastgreatman]

They're planning for 25-30 thousand people. It would be fucking stupid to make that festival's lineup better than Coachella's. You're all idiots. Don't come to Coachella, I'm sure there's no way you'll ever wish you hadn't been such dumb fucks afterwards.

[drugks Gillespie]

Fuck. I wish all this news could have come sooner. I don't want to miss this but I already have a ton of cash wrapped up in my coachella condo and am planning a romantic trip to Spain (and hopefully the Hineken Festival). If Europe falls through for me, I will not miss what is sure to be an epic experience. RADIOHEAD.

[orbit]

Are you honestly underestimating Goldenvoice?...

It's that festival's first year, they don't want it to flop like Woodstock 99', they don't want it to be akin to the other festivals in the region, and why the hell wouldn't Paul Tollett and company NOT want to swoop in with a massive load of talent and lay waste to all the other festivals on the east coast?

Mark my words, there won't be talent anywhere near the level of awfulness as Slightly Stoopid or Tegan and Sara on the undercard, nor a headliner like Jack Johnson...

If Coachella got a big act such as White Stripes or Radiohead, you'd be bitching anyway, accusing Goldenvoice for being 'unoriginal.'

In all fairness, NYchella should get Radiohead and Nickelback. Yeah, we get it, Jack Johnson as headliner is unforgivable, but the rest of the lineup is not that bad.

[thelastgreatman]

I love how Radiohead coming back to Coachella--as if they really wanted to--is supposed to be more epic than this absurdly huge spectacle we're going to get Sunday.

[PassiveTheory]

Wow that is retarded logic.

Of COURSE they're going to make APW better than Coachella, why in fuck's name would they want their brand spankin' new festival to live in their archaic festival's shadow?...

You have a link to where GV said they're only planning 25-30K?

EDIT: In response to orbit, you can't fucking think that I wouldn't want Radiohead over Jack Johnson as the Friday headliner... But my problem with APW is NOT the headliners, it's the mid-card. This is because that's what my problem is with Coachella this year: 2/3 headliners are awesome, the under-card will have some gems, but the mid-card is pretty underwhelming.

SECOND EDIT: I can't wait for DSotM Sunday, if it's any consolation.

[thelastgreatman]

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2008/01/all_points_west_festival_on_tr.html

You're so stupid I can't do this anymore, I'm going to drive to whatever shithole you live in and pull your scalp off by your Napoleon Dynamite wig.

[drugks Gillespie]

I love how Radiohead coming back to Coachella--as if they really wanted to--is supposed to be more epic than this absurdly huge spectacle we're going to get Sunday.

I do think that hearing RW do DSOTM at Coach AFTER everything else out there and a head full of drugs is something we might not fully grasp at the moment. It might be a different experience altogether from seeing RW a year and half ago. I hope.

[PassiveTheory]

Aw, you're adorable when you're feisty.

Still, with Radiohead waiting in the wings, I fully expect GV to reconsider it's original parameters and sell between 45-50K tickets. Whoever said the 25-30K benchmark was set in stone?

[thinnerair]

They havent announced the APW lineup yet, right?

[PassiveTheory]

Nope. But everyone keeps on saying RH is a lock.

[PassiveTheory]

Alright, so it is set in stone.

Moving on...

[Tylerdurden31]

make the douchebagishness stop

[suprefan]

Nope. But everyone keeps on saying RH is a lock.

They are, so stop man.

[waxybk]

There's going to be a festival in New Jersey?



















I kid, I kid..........

[4Ransom]

What the fuck are babbling about? How are they a fashion statement? Sorry all those other people had so much fun.

And both you and Passive should be ashamed of yourselves for wishing failure on Goldenvoice. Ungrateful little cocksuckers.

i love this blind allegiance you have to GV. fuck them, we dont owe them anything, and they dont owe us shit either. they make a great festival, charge us up the ass, and we pay, and everybody wins. well now they are making another festival, and coincidently, coachella comes up with the worst top tier acts in its history. but is it coincidence, or not?

well i agree with passive, i think all points west is definitely a factor in the weak lineup this year. and of course paul t. isnt going to come out and say that. why the fuck would he? but that doesnt mean its not true. sounds to me like GV is just finding another way to cash in and i dont think they are necessarily trying to dilute coachella on purpose, but i think its unavoidable when you create another festival like this. they should have just focused all their efforts on coachella like past years. now they have 2 kids to worry about, and ones not getting all the attention it used to.

dont get me wrong, if weak headliners will make it less crowded, im all for it. ill still have fun. i dont mind cruising around checking out all these bands im interested in, but it shouldnt cost me $300 to see a bunch of small time acts. for what they charge, they need to have some mindblowing shit there, not just the ed banger crew every year. the fact that jack johnson is headlining means my ticket should cost about 100 bucks less, cuz you know he doesnt have a price tag like radiohead, or daft punk. and if they did pay him that kind of money, than jack just pulled off the biggest rip off in concert history. good for him. he will be laughing all the way to the bank as he gets pelted with shoes in indio.

[Tylerdurden31]

maybe i'm biased because i've been waiting for years for a good festival in my neck of the woods, but you people are fucking ridiculous. I've flown to california 3 times to go to coachella, no complaints and I'm probably gonna do it again even though there's this so-called "crappy" lineup. Stop thinking that Goldenvoice is here to please each and every one of us on this message board. There's at least 50,000 people who go to coachella and don't even make their presence seen here. Get over yourselves.

[4Ransom]

i dont think it has anything to do with GV owing us anything, or being on this board or not.

it comes down to this: GV starts a new festival, and also releases the worst coachella lineup in history (obviously this is subjective). i think a lot of people are upset about these 2 things happening at the same time and think it might be a sign of things to come in future years. can you blame people that are bummed that their beloved festival might be getting diluted because GV wants to start another festival to make more money?

[suprefan]

There's at least 50,000 people who go to coachella and don't even make their presence seen here. Get over yourselves.

Yep pretty much.

[waxybk]

maybe i'm biased because i've been waiting for years for a good festival in my neck of the woods, but you people are fucking ridiculous. I've flown to california 3 times to go to coachella, no complaints and I'm probably gonna do it again even though there's this so-called "crappy" lineup. Stop thinking that Goldenvoice is here to please each and every one of us on this message board. There's at least 50,000 people who go to coachella and don't even make their presence seen here. Get over yourselves.

I totally agree with you. Although I am leaving the east coast, I am super stoked that there is going to be a much needed festival in our neck of the woods. I don't think I am going to Coachella...still undecided, but I think I am going to fly back home for this festival. I have flown to Coachella 3 times as well, and never once complained about it. Just leaving home was exciting in itself. GV is doing what they have to, be a business. And yes it just so happens that before APW came about, there was nothing to worry about. But things change, they expand, they grow. And just because there are people bitching about Coachella being weak and APW getting the better end of the deal...deal with it. Come check out the east coast and experience something different. From the sound of it they are going to make this experience pretty dope. No its not the California desert, but shit have you ever partied across from the NYC skyline? It really is an experience like no other. And its nothing like the experience at Coachella....no comparison. But that doesn't make it better or worse.

[kingsblend420]

From the sound of it they are going to make this experience pretty dope. No its not the California desert, but shit have you ever partied across from the NYC skyline? It really is an experience like no other. And its nothing like the experience at Coachella....no comparison. But that doesn't make it better or worse.

Sounds like it could be like Treasure Island Festival. I'd be down for that.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/carbine000/IMG_5292.jpg

[suprefan]

Yeah but, its still Jersey in August, NOT San Francisco in September.

[Tylerdurden31]

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/18/c5/8d/the-nyc-skyline.jpg

supre: I'll say it again...yeah it might be muggy and nasty in august...but sometimes during the summer around here it can be in the 60s or 70s. I'm praying for rain early that week

[PassiveTheory]

SF > NY as far as scenery is concerned.

[suprefan]

SF > NY as far as scenery is concerned.

You have a lot to learn my friend. A LOT. Im not agreeing with you one way or disagreeing on the other.




supre: I'll say it again...yeah it might be muggy and nasty in august...but sometimes during the summer around here it can be in the 60s or 70s. I'm praying for rain early that week



Yeah I would hope for cooler temps too, weather seems to be the only thing that will make anyones experience suck I think for this.

[Tylerdurden31]

SF > NY as far as scenery is concerned.

foolish

[waxybk]

I'm sorry but the NYC skyline at night is amazing. Even after the twin towers fell. I've always wanted to be at a festival type situation seeing that. The Radiohead show there was before the towers fell, amazing experience. I can't wait to experience that again....this time in a festival setting.

[Tylerdurden31]

I'm sorry but the NYC skyline at night is amazing. Even after the twin towers fell. I've always wanted to be at a festival type situation seeing that. The Radiohead show there was before the towers fell, amazing experience. I can't wait to experience that again....this time in a festival setting.

you're slowly becoming my new favorite defender of new york

[waxybk]

you're slowly becoming my new favorite defender of new york

Hehe. Its just not fair, people are constantly knocking NY down as this place thats just baaaad. Oh no....you can't have a festival and take away our glory. Trust me I have a love/hate relationship with NY, and yes I am moving to the west for something different. But try it out, people might be suprised what the culture and the experience can offer.

[4Ransom]

Hehe. Its just not fair, people are constantly knocking NY down as this place thats just baaaad. Oh no....you can't have a festival and take away our glory. Trust me I have a love/hate relationship with NY, and yes I am moving to the west for something different. But try it out, people might be suprised what the culture and the experience can offer.

haha, i have nothing against new york. this new festival could be anywhere, and id still be a little pissed. whatever, gv is just trying to do more business, i dont blame them. just sucks if its taking away from the quality that coachella has always been famous for. maybe im wrong and this years weak lineup is just a coincidence. i guess we'll see next year.

[Tylerdurden31]

haha, i have nothing against new york. this new festival could be anywhere, and id still be a little pissed. whatever, gv is just trying to do more business, i dont blame them. just sucks if its taking away from the quality that coachella has always been famous for. maybe im wrong and this years weak lineup is just a coincidence. i guess we'll see next year.

the weak lineup thing is purely subjective. I'm plenty happy with it and I know there's plenty others who are.

[TomAz]

Are you honestly underestimating Goldenvoice?...

It's that festival's first year, they don't want it to flop like Woodstock 99', they don't want it to be akin to the other festivals in the region, and why the hell wouldn't Paul Tollett and company NOT want to swoop in with a massive load of talent and lay waste to all the other festivals on the east coast?

Mark my words, there won't be talent anywhere near the level of awfulness as Slightly Stoopid or Tegan and Sara on the undercard, nor a headliner like Jack Johnson...

are you suggesting GV would deliberately undermine an established, proven winner (Coachella) in favor of a calculated gamble (APW)? that doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a business strategy. I think the more likely scenario is that GV got the best acts they could for the date and location of Coachella and is doing the same for APW.

[thinnerair]

you're slowly becoming my new favorite defender of new york

i'm offended.

[thelastgreatman]

This lineup isn't remotely weak. I have faith in Goldenvoice because they have yet to let me down and they're responsible for my favorite thing to do in the world, so I trust them. Portishead and Waters are better headliners than any previous year, sorry. And in any event, if it was ever about the headliners I didn't notice cause this will be the first year I actually watch more than one.

[Tylerdurden31]

i'm offended.

i said slowly you bearded mexican

[waxybk]

i'm offended.

Than you can be my favorite.

[thinnerair]

i said slowly you bearded mexican

i will cut you.


im not mexican! im cuban, b!

[4Ransom]

are you suggesting GV would deliberately undermine an established, proven winner (Coachella) in favor of a calculated gamble (APW)? that doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a business strategy.

i dont think undermining is a good word for it. more like "spreading out the talent". i think they know that coachella is such an established name that they can sacrifice a little on the lineup this year and still have it be a success. this new one on the other hand has to be great its first year out to make a statement. so maybe they were like, "why dont we borrow a few great acts for the grand opening this year? Coachella will still be fine without them". i could definitely be wrong though...i hope i am.

[TomAz]

i think they know that coachella is such an established name that they can sacrifice a little on the lineup this year and still have it be a success.

I think that would be undermining.

I don't understand the thinking that it has to be an either/or process. Is there really going to be zero overlap in the lineups? at 100+ bands each? that seems farfetched to me.

[thinnerair]

I think it also comes down to a band's availability. Some acts may be unavailable for the Coachella dates but may be available for the APW dates and therefore are able to participate. It doesn't necessarily have to do with GV going "You'll play here and they'll play there and you'll play both" or something like that. Bands get offered tours. Band members then also have a thing called personal lives that sometimes keeps them from participating in every festival offered. Bands get offered multiple festival options...around the world which keeps them from being at every show that you want them to be at.

[4Ransom]

I think that would be undermining.

I don't understand the thinking that it has to be an either/or process. Is there really going to be zero overlap in the lineups? at 100+ bands each? that seems farfetched to me.

yes, i suppose you are right. undermining was a good word after all. i guess i cant get over the fact that this years headliners are the weakest they have ever been the same year they announce they are doing another festival. i know some people like the headliners this year, but IMO they are nowhere near the caliber of the acts from all the past years. whatever, ill stop bitching now. believe it or not im still really excited to go to coachella this year...

[suprefan]

I think APW is going to be maybe 100 max for the 3 days. One article I saw said 3 to 4 stages, which seems about right and not overdoing it. ACL is going to get hurt the most I think, APW and Vineland get the Lolla leftovers and ACL has to get everyone from this because all these acts will have barely tour the U.s. or just played within a month of the festival and people are not going to get insanely excited. Plus bands would have to maybe start a fall tour around ACL.

[Courtney]

This (http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/801230328/1002) is interesting: looks like Vineland and APW will be sharing a few mid-level bands. The article also says that ticket and lineup information will be coming out for both festivals in March, which is earlier than I was expecting.


Promoters not fazed by other music festival
By TIM ZATZARINY Jr.
Staff Writer
tzatzariny@thedailyjournal.com

VINELAND -- The Vineland Music Festival won't be upstaged by a competing festival scheduled for the same weekend within the shadow of the Statue of Liberty, a Vineland festival co-promoter said Tuesday.

In fact, at least a few acts are likely to travel the New Jersey Turnpike to play both events, he said.


Promoters on Tuesday announced plans for the first All Points West Music & Arts Festival at Liberty State Park in Jersey City.
The festival will be held Aug. 8-10, the same weekend as the first Vineland Music Festival, where as many as 80 pop and rock acts are expected to perform on multiple stages.

"We're going to be sharing a couple acts at the mid-level range, nothing on the top level, but I think they're going to be very different" events, said Charles Attal, a partner in Austin, Texas-based C3 Presents, co-promoter of the Vineland Music Festival.

There is a key difference between the competing multi-day events: Those who attend the Vineland Music Festival can camp out for the entire three days; camping is not allowed at Liberty State Park.

The Vineland Music Festival is being modeled after the more rural Glastonbury and Reading festivals in England; All Points West will be a more urban festival like Lollapalooza in Chicago, Attal said.

Ticket information and the lineups for the two festivals have not been announced, but are expected by early March.

At All Points West, dozens of pop and rock acts are expected to perform on three or four stages. The festival is expected to draw 25,000 to 30,000 people per day.

The Vineland Music Festival is planned for a 570-acre farm near Sherman Avenue and Hance Bridge Road. It is expected to draw 35,000 to 40,000 people over three days, many of whom will camp out, festival organizers said.

Los Angeles-based Goldenvoice Concerts and Jersey City-based Liberty Event Management are co-promoters of the All Points West festival.

Attal said he's friendly with the All Points West promoters and was aware of their plan to stage a festival at Liberty State Park, but didn't know until after the fact that their target date was the same weekend as the Vineland festival.

"I don't think they're going to hurt each other," Attal said of the dueling festivals. "I think it's healthy for the music fan and the music scene in general."

Goldenvoice is co-promoter of the annual Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival in Indio, Calif. Coachella this year will be held April 25-27.

The lineup includes Jack Johnson, Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, Death Cab for Cutie and My Morning Jacket.

Attal would not say whether any of those acts might make their way east for the Vineland Music Festival.

[waxybk]

Yanno what, as much as this is causing people to be angry on whatever level....fuck yea that we have the options to choose. It should be a matter of one event to choose from. A large part of the music world is being screwed...so although it sucks to have to make choices...we are damn lucky!

Just tryin to see the positive in all this.

[thinnerair]

Yanno what, as much as this is causing people to be angry on whatever level....fuck yea that we have the options to choose. It should be a matter of one event to choose from. A large part of the music world is being screwed...so although it sucks to have to make choices...we are damn lucky!

Just tryin to see the positive in all this.



HIPPIE!!

[ThomThom]

SF > NY as far as scenery is concerned.

Your out of your fucking mind. Nothing beats the New York skyline at night...Period.

[Tylerdurden31]

Your out of your fucking mind. Nothing beats the New York skyline at night...Period.

i'm beginning to think Passive just hates everything

[suprefan]

The kid just doesnt know any better. Only going off of what he has seen. anyway, interesting article.

[thelastgreatman]

You west coast folks are some greedy bastards. You get Portishead and an insane production of Pink Floyd's best songs and you act like a fucking war crime was committed against you by this new festival just because they've got Radiohead. There were absolutely no music festivals on the east coast my whole life until Virgin last year which is so far from comparing to the shit that goes on all summer out here it's not even funny. Only this board could take the news that their favorite promoter starting a new festival in an amazing location, right across the water from The City (where you could all actually eat GOOD food for once and possibly even encounter non-vapid conversation) and somehow turn it into a big emo conspiracy theory circle jerk.

You know what? I hope the lineup is everything you wanted Coachella to have. Cause I'm going to both and I don't have to pay shit for transportation or lodging for either of them.

But even with all that going for it, I'm not dumb enough to think that APW's lineup could possibly be reason to choose APW over Coachella even if you tasteless sacks of shit don't recognize how great Coach's lineup is going to playout. Know why?

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING COACHELLA. Honestly, when's the last time anyone on this board was actually disappointed with having gone to Coachella? And it only gets more and more brilliant with every year. You think that big fucking dome, trippy box of lights, and beautiful sparkling dragon were a huge step up in the level of art in the festival? I guarantee you that this year's Hallucinogen Disneyworld that is the Polo Fields will DESTROY 2007's art. It's going to be an insane and magical experience like it always is, and as supposedly devoted fans of the Coachella experience I just don't understand how you can be all ripshit over the headliners of all things.

I thought we were above this. I thought it was the monkeys that come in and rag on the headliners and we're supposed to be more mature than that because we've been there and we know now that headliners aren't what matters. How often has a headliner been the show that made that day for you? Honestly?

In fact, how often was the show of the day or whole weekend one that you were expecting it to be? Most of what I've read on here indicates that the best part about this festival is that you end up being surprised by acts. Because they always put together a great fucking lineup even if we don't recognize a lot of it. You know goddamn well you're all going to Coach anyway, and you're going to come back saying all kinds of shit about how awesome it was and this and that band were unexpectedly amazing, blah blah blah. It's the same thing every year, because GV knows what the fuck they're doing.

HAVE FAITH, COCKSUCKERS.

[Hannahrain]

Thank you, Randy. Nicely done.

[luckyface]

Absolutely perfect.

[suprefan]

HAVE FAITH, COCKSUCKERS.




We strangely are looking at it the same way, at least for a moment.




I havent said anything about this line up since monday, no 'this sucks' or ''this is amazing''. I still havent formed a clear opinion on it. Maybe I wont, and Ill go and have my good time as I always do.

[waxybk]

HIPPIE!!

PLUR man! ha.


thelastgreatman.....nicely put!

[kreutz2112]

Way to not suck Randy. I hope I can go to APW.

[Tylerdurden31]

right across the water from The City (where you could all actually eat GOOD food for once and possibly even encounter non-vapid conversation)

the fact that you capitalized The City is awesome. Randy, you seem to be coming around. You're still an asshole, but you seem like a cool asshole

[Ardentbiscuit]

I just think it's crazy that people are committed to festivals they don't even know the line up of just because they are unhappy with the Coachella line up...

What if those line ups disappoint you even more than Coachella?? Then what?

[KungFuJoe]

Originally Posted by thelastgreatman
right across the water from The City (where you could all actually eat GOOD food for once and possibly even encounter non-vapid conversation)

seriously, being able to go to a festival with all my friends back home (cause they never seem to make it out here) and afterwards having the option to head into manhattan for the multitude of fine grub & after party options is going to be divine.

[thelastgreatman]

the fact that you capitalized The City is awesome. Randy, you seem to be coming around. You're still an asshole, but you seem like a cool asshole

I invented cool asshole. Specifically because it creates an interesting sensation when I put my dick in it.

I'm from Jersey dude--OF COURSE it's The City. LA isn't a fucking city, it's just a big sprawling mass of bullshit.

[full on idle]

This is the same shit, that always happens, every year. You're losing your mind. Nobody bring up Obama.

[thelastgreatman]

Don't blame APW--blame Obama.

[kingsblend420]

You west coast folks are some greedy bastards. You get Portishead and an insane production of Pink Floyd's best songs and you act like a fucking war crime was committed against you by this new festival just because they've got Radiohead. There were absolutely no music festivals on the east coast my whole life until Virgin last year which is so far from comparing to the shit that goes on all summer out here it's not even funny. Only this board could take the news that their favorite promoter starting a new festival in an amazing location, right across the water from The City (where you could all actually eat GOOD food for once and possibly even encounter non-vapid conversation) and somehow turn it into a big emo conspiracy theory circle jerk.

You know what? I hope the lineup is everything you wanted Coachella to have. Cause I'm going to both and I don't have to pay shit for transportation or lodging for either of them.

But even with all that going for it, I'm not dumb enough to think that APW's lineup could possibly be reason to choose APW over Coachella even if you tasteless sacks of shit don't recognize how great Coach's lineup is going to playout. Know why?

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING COACHELLA. Honestly, when's the last time anyone on this board was actually disappointed with having gone to Coachella? And it only gets more and more brilliant with every year. You think that big fucking dome, trippy box of lights, and beautiful sparkling dragon were a huge step up in the level of art in the festival? I guarantee you that this year's Hallucinogen Disneyworld that is the Polo Fields will DESTROY 2007's art. It's going to be an insane and magical experience like it always is, and as supposedly devoted fans of the Coachella experience I just don't understand how you can be all ripshit over the headliners of all things.

I thought we were above this. I thought it was the monkeys that come in and rag on the headliners and we're supposed to be more mature than that because we've been there and we know now that headliners aren't what matters. How often has a headliner been the show that made that day for you? Honestly?

In fact, how often was the show of the day or whole weekend one that you were expecting it to be? Most of what I've read on here indicates that the best part about this festival is that you end up being surprised by acts. Because they always put together a great fucking lineup even if we don't recognize a lot of it. You know goddamn well you're all going to Coach anyway, and you're going to come back saying all kinds of shit about how awesome it was and this and that band were unexpectedly amazing, blah blah blah. It's the same thing every year, because GV knows what the fuck they're doing.

HAVE FAITH, COCKSUCKERS.

*slow clap*

[Bosco]

Reserved a room at the Ramada in Jersey City. It's only 4 miles away from Liberty State Park and the prices are more reasonable then some of the closer hotels. After taxes it came to a total of $550 for 4 nights. Not bad...

[betao]

randy, that cold be one of the greatest posts ive ever read in the history of the world.

as someone who lives on the east coast, I know what its like to be "musically deprived" (well, with live shows). Seriously, like randy said, we dont really have a good music festival on the east coast. We have V-fest, which is fun, but i'm sure its no coachella. But thats all we really have on the map - Virgin Fest. Thats just one.

you west coast folks are quite fortunate with live music. as a fan of EDM, the only spot (other than UMF in Miami) that gets alot of big electronic acts is NYC. Think Daft Punk's recent tour, the Chemical Bros show, Underworld etc etc. You west coast folks get alot more than the east coast.

Seriously, coachella is 3000 miles away from me, and i'm still going this year. It will be my first ever coachella, and i'm excited as can be. If I lived in driving distance of this festival (as i'm sure a fair amount of you do), I would have practically shat myself with excitement upon seeing this lineup. People can complain all they want to about "the east coast getting all the focus this time", but seriously, its about time the east coast got some attention.

done ranting, flame away.

[Mr.Nipples]

i could care less if APW gets radiohead. if they get both radiohead AND my bloody valentine...im going to be pissed, and im sure i wont be the only one...there i said it...

[JustSteve]

Reserved a room at the Ramada in Jersey City. It's only 4 miles away from Liberty State Park and the prices are more reasonable then some of the closer hotels. After taxes it came to a total of $550 for 4 nights. Not bad...

nice, just booked there, too. now have to figure out which to stay at, the doubletree or ramada...ramada is about $450 cheaper and is only 1 block to the path.

[Bosco]

nice, just booked there, too. now have to figure out which to stay at, the doubletree or ramada...ramada is about $450 cheaper and is only 1 block to the path.

best part about the Ramada is they got a shuttle to the Newark Airport.

The mini fridge and microwave should be handy too.

[orbit]

Yeah, sounds nice. Now, let's hope for the lineup.

[ArcadeParade]

I'm booked in - in NYC, can't wait!

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

You west coast folks are some greedy bastards. You get Portishead and an insane production of Pink Floyd's best songs and you act like a fucking war crime was committed against you by this new festival just because they've got Radiohead. There were absolutely no music festivals on the east coast my whole life until Virgin last year which is so far from comparing to the shit that goes on all summer out here it's not even funny. Only this board could take the news that their favorite promoter starting a new festival in an amazing location, right across the water from The City (where you could all actually eat GOOD food for once and possibly even encounter non-vapid conversation) and somehow turn it into a big emo conspiracy theory circle jerk.

You know what? I hope the lineup is everything you wanted Coachella to have. Cause I'm going to both and I don't have to pay shit for transportation or lodging for either of them.

But even with all that going for it, I'm not dumb enough to think that APW's lineup could possibly be reason to choose APW over Coachella even if you tasteless sacks of shit don't recognize how great Coach's lineup is going to playout. Know why?

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING COACHELLA. Honestly, when's the last time anyone on this board was actually disappointed with having gone to Coachella? And it only gets more and more brilliant with every year. You think that big fucking dome, trippy box of lights, and beautiful sparkling dragon were a huge step up in the level of art in the festival? I guarantee you that this year's Hallucinogen Disneyworld that is the Polo Fields will DESTROY 2007's art. It's going to be an insane and magical experience like it always is, and as supposedly devoted fans of the Coachella experience I just don't understand how you can be all ripshit over the headliners of all things.

I thought we were above this. I thought it was the monkeys that come in and rag on the headliners and we're supposed to be more mature than that because we've been there and we know now that headliners aren't what matters. How often has a headliner been the show that made that day for you? Honestly?

In fact, how often was the show of the day or whole weekend one that you were expecting it to be? Most of what I've read on here indicates that the best part about this festival is that you end up being surprised by acts. Because they always put together a great fucking lineup even if we don't recognize a lot of it. You know goddamn well you're all going to Coach anyway, and you're going to come back saying all kinds of shit about how awesome it was and this and that band were unexpectedly amazing, blah blah blah. It's the same thing every year, because GV knows what the fuck they're doing.

HAVE FAITH, COCKSUCKERS.

I :pulse Randy...
your words make it all better....

[shakermaker113]

ok. anticipating the lineup for this is turning into the anticipation I had for the coachella lineup all over. I'm currently planning on attending both (although I'm not putting any money on APW yet).

maybe some other festival that I'm not building up high expectations for will actually be the best this year. it might be another month before we know.

[saxtacy]

Hey, the APW lineup might be even better now that Vineland isn't happening.

[sbessiso]

i would like to go to APW but with langerado, coachella and bonnaroo, i think i may be set

maybe next year

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

ok. anticipating the lineup for this is turning into the anticipation I had for the coachella lineup all over. I'm currently planning on attending both (although I'm not putting any money on APW yet).

maybe some other festival that I'm not building up high expectations for will actually be the best this year. it might be another month before we know.

the line up for APW would have to be Godlike in order for me to even think about going...I can see Radiohead in California, St Louis, Seattle, Texas, well really anywhere at this point since they won't be playing in Denver...as long as I can see them for 2 nights...

[Ardentbiscuit]

Okay, so barring any line up nightmares I might go to this. My friend just confirmed that they will let me stay at their house or one of the condos they own in NYC...so it's all good!

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

I have never been to the east coast but maybe I finally will this year..

[suprefan]

Hey, the APW lineup might be even better now that Vineland isn't happening.

Wha?? explain

[thelastgreatman]

Wha?? explain

Search function, moron.


Heh, getting to do that to Supre was SO satisfying.

[JustSteve]

i figured apw may shut down vineland...

[Tylerdurden31]

Wha?? explain

use the search function ;)


Vineland has been cancelled for this year...they're waiting for 2009...no Vineland = less competition

[jtovar21]

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003702112

Link to billboard article.

[ThomThom]

Looks like the Vineland organizers caught a glimpse of the APW lineup.

[JustSteve]

the location alone should have been enough.

[suprefan]

Search function, moron.


Heh, getting to do that to Supre was SO satisfying.

Oh shush, I saw it bitch. I just had to get back to work and didnt edit my post. Yeah I bet you were satisfied with it. You got your internet hard on for the day.




And yeah Vineland probably crapped their pants and didnt want to go head to head with APW. Also, they mightve seen this backfire as it is since ACL is a month and half later, it works against them since ACL would be announced by then and less people would travel since ACL is established and going into a new festival might not be ideal.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003702112

Link to billboard article.

I like how, even though there is no written confirmation, the always put a picture of Radiohead in articles mentioning APW...

[thelastgreatman]

Oh shush, I saw it bitch. I just had to get back to work and didnt edit my post. Yeah I bet you were satisfied with it. You got your internet hard on for the day,

Sorry, fucko, but that's why you get for being a cocksucker all the time.

[ArcadeParade]

just saw Cloverfield. still excited for NYC.

:)

[C DUB YA]

I can't believe JJ is even being considered for APW - he must have some serious shit on Paul t or something?

Why do I get this feeling that the headliners for APW will look like this:

Friday - Jack Johnson
Saturday - My Bloody Valentine
Sunday - Radiohead

[goodgrl]

We've booked a marroit 2mi. away from APW. We were just there this summer it was nice and clean. Price way cheaper then staying in NYC. The path train is literally next to the hotel. It only took about 20min. to get to midtown. The view of NYC skyline is absolutely breath taking. Someone earlier posted the skyline being beautiful at night, I have to add that if you ever go to the empire state building go at night. Its way more dazzling with all the pretty lights.

[C DUB YA]

I booked my friends apt in Manhattan.

[suprefan]

I can't believe JJ is even being considered for APW - he must have some serious shit on Paul t or something?

Why do I get this feeling that the headliners for APW will look like this:

Friday - Jack Johnson
Saturday - My Bloody Valentine
Sunday - Radiohead



It might look like that, but it should look like this and all is good in the world.


Friday - Morrissey
Saturday - My Bloody Valentine
Sunday - Radiohead

[luckyface]

I would think GV has to be quite weary of book JJ for another major festival after how terrible of a reaction they got for Coachella.

[idrive1life]

Friday - Morrissey

MEH

The poster will be like this ...

Morrissey (In the event that Moz loses his voice again before or during the festival, Moreawesome is the backup headliner)

j/k

[summerkid]

friday is outselling sunday right now so it couldn't have been that bad...

[suprefan]

MEH

The poster will be like this ...

Morrissey (In the event that Moz loses his voice again before or during the festival, Moreawesome is the backup headliner)

j/k

You know if you did this in this city, people would like beat you up.....


I would think GV has to be quite weary of book JJ for another major festival after how terrible of a reaction they got for Coachella.

As stated, ticket sales so far DO NOT reflect the consensus of most of the people on this message board. Just we say it sucks, doesnt mean the average music fan isnt buying into this as planned.

[musicfan66]

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/18/c5/8d/the-nyc-skyline.jpg

supre: I'll say it again...yeah it might be muggy and nasty in august...but sometimes during the summer around here it can be in the 60s or 70s. I'm praying for rain early that week

Did some research, here is High/Low and rain recorded at Central Park on Aug 8-10 for the last 5 years:

Aug 8 Aug 9 Aug 10

2003 80/71 0.51" 80/72 0.83" 81/72 0.01"

2004 78/58 0.00" 84/65 0.00" 84/71 0.00"

2005 83/74 0.01" 83/73 0.00" 89/73 0.00"

2006 87/72 0.00" 84/67 0.00" 84/67 2.51"

2007 90/73 2.50" 83/72 0.00" 72/57 1.28"

[JustSteve]

We've booked a marroit 2mi. away from APW. We were just there this summer it was nice and clean. Price way cheaper then staying in NYC. The path train is literally next to the hotel. It only took about 20min. to get to midtown. The view of NYC skyline is absolutely breath taking. Someone earlier posted the skyline being beautiful at night, I have to add that if you ever go to the empire state building go at night. Its way more dazzling with all the pretty lights.

i believe the doubletree is right there, too, and is only going for a little over $200/night for a junior suite, so about $100/night cheaper. may want to check it out if you want to save some green.

[iron-lung]

from what i saw on the website there is nothing that says this is not a camping festival. is there something im missing or is everyone just assuming that because of the proximity to nyc then this will not be a camping festival?

[faxman75]

It is not a camping festival. I belive Paul Tollett stated it. Either way, it's in the city, there aren't a whole lot of giant fields for thousands of people to camp in.

[faxman75]

A simple google search of camping all points west will show you there is none.

[rage patton]

I hope APW gets Jack Johnson.

[C DUB YA]

they might in fact get JJ (ugh) seeing as a two concert deal could've easily been put on the table to start with