Justice Billed Over Fatboy Slim: Is nothing impervious to hype?

[Sonicifyouwantit]

It really doesnt bother me one way or the other. I know they are the new kids in town, but still id rather listen to waters of nazareth or phantom than gangster trippin....dont take this wrong Im not knockin fatboy so dont jump all over me im just sayin. I know fatboy has a lot better material than that.

[thelastgreatman]

Roger Waters will end at 11 or so, that's all I'm saying.

[rage patton]

No way will Roger Waters end at 11. He will be closing out the festival for sure

[thelastgreatman]

Okay, whatever you say, dude.

[xbnmx]

No way will Roger Waters end at 11. He will be closing out the festival for sure

Apparently you missed the fact that this is how they did NIN on Sunday in '05 and Depeche Mode on Saturday in '06.

[rage patton]

Apparently you missed the fact that this is how they did NIN on Sunday in '05 and Depeche Mode on Saturday in '06.

And Kraftwerk in 04. I know they can do it. But I just don't think they would do it after Roger Waters. That is, unless this new Justice stage set up is THAT over the top. I swear, if their new stage is a giant cross they stand in... I am leaving.

[xbnmx]

Justice is going to be int he Sahara. I imagine that Spiritualized will be closing the main stage after Roger Waters a la Blackstar did after NIN in '05. You can probably bet on Gogol Bordello closing out the outdoor theater accross the way while Justice finishes off the Sahara.

[thelastgreatman]

Who ever said Justice isn't going to be in the Sahara?

[rage patton]

Im betting Gogol play around 7-8 on the outdoor theatre actually. They closed a stage last year, I don't think GV would get them to close another stage this year. My bet is, whatever time it closes, The Streets will close the Outdoor theatre.

[kingsblend420]

Justice is going to be int he Sahara. I imagine that Spiritualized will be closing the main stage after Roger Waters a la Blackstar did after NIN in '05. You can probably bet on Gogol Bordello closing out the outdoor theater accross the way while Justice finishes off the Sahara.

That doesnt make any sense. Why would you have all your biggest names conflicting with each other? The biggest name to play a tent/stage is not necessarily the one closing said stage/tent. Besides, Dani already said Justice would not conflict with RW.

[xbnmx]

You've been smoking too much put and cannot comprehend my post. I clearly said that Justice would be closing the Sahara while Spiritualized closed the main stage after Roger Waters. And its just conjecture.

[Sonicifyouwantit]

Im gona go ahead and wait for the set times.

[MaxPowers]

It really doesnt bother me one way or the other. I know they are the new kids in town, but still id rather listen to waters of nazareth or phantom than gangster trippin....dont take this wrong Im not knockin fatboy so dont jump all over me im just sayin. I know fatboy has a lot better material than that.

That kinda goes back to the whole see the act you know you will have the most fun rather than what is the most important to see. Both sets are gonna kill, start to finish, but I see 2 different crowds here. It will make sense if the older crowd checks out Slim to have a good time and reminisce, while most of the younger crowd seems all about Justice nowadays. I'm interested to see where Justice will end up in 5 years.

[mschirmersf]

Fatboy Slim? Yeah, maybe he would have gotten billed above Justice if he was as new and fresh as Justice....hahahahahahaha... It just goes to prove that Coachella is the reason I live and breath every year. They are on top of what's hot and don't cave in to what's not.

[betao]

as long as Justice does not conflict with Gogol Bordello, I will have a happy sunday.

[rage patton]

Seriously, a Gogol vs Justice conflict would be beyond horrible. Luckily, I think GV is smarter then that.

There a a number of ways GV could go about scheduling Sunday... but in almost all the scenarios, I see Gogol conflicting with Simian Mobile Disco.

[thelastgreatman]

Could you really blame them for scheduling Gogol against Justice? It's not like it's logical to say that those are a logical conflict for most people. Although I guess they're both strongly hipster-powered live acts.

Gogol against Love and Rockets would make a decent amount of sense, which would probably also conflict with Danny Tenaglia. Putting them up against a headliner like last year is kinda worse than a sunset slot in a lot of ways--I'd guess they're going to get bumped up to go before the whole field becomes Roger Waters territory.

[rage patton]

Hahaha, Gogol are so not a hipster-powered live act. And putting Gogol against Justce would be just as dumb as Gogol vs. Battles at Vegoose last year. Theoretically, you wouldn't think they have the same fans, but I know a lot of people who want to see both Gogol and Justice.
Gogol vs. Love and Rockets vs. Danny Tenaglia would make a lot of sense though. I could see that happening. But I still highly doubt NO ONE will be on while Roger Waters is. My bet is someone is continuing in the tent (Tenaglia) and some small indie act will be in the Gobi.

[thelastgreatman]

Virtually no one will play during Waters if anyone. One or two acts is possible. I'm pretty sure Tenaglia won't be one of them though.

Gogol kinda are a hipster-powered act, if by no other explanation than that they share Justice's crowd a lot. Who is Gogol's audience if not hipsters? Not to be derogatory about it--Coachella is hipster-powered in general. But it's the truth.

[rage patton]

Ever been to a solo Gogol show? You will see a lot of mohawks and spiked leather jackets. Gogol do have hipster appeal, because they are unique. But outside Coachella, Gogol are a huge punk draw. All my hardcore punk friends LOVE Gogol.

[thelastgreatman]

Punk is dead. To the extent that it exists anymore it's either pop-punk or hipster-punk. Also--mohawks and leather jackets are hardly evidence against hipsters.

[rage patton]

I'll just put it this way.

You are more likely to see this at a Gogol show..
http://radmusic.tblog.jp/images/the_casualties_02.jpg

Then this...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x224/joshmusic88/hipsters.jpg

However, the beauty of Gogol is that is appeals to both.

[thelastgreatman]

I don't buy it. My roommates went to a Gogol show last year before Coach, I'll ask but I don't buy it. Maybe before they blew up the festival circuit last year, but now? Nah. And prior to that, my argument would be: well what the fuck else are punks gonna go see? Sum 41?

[rage patton]

You have no idea about anything to do with punk... do you?

Great punk bands today are still making music and touring. Vandals, GBH, Circle Jerks, DOA, Bad Religion, NOFX and Rancid are just ones that come off of the top of my head.
And if you want to get into some subgenres of punk... The Aggrolites, Nekromantix, Tiger Army and Dropkick Murphys are all the top of their class of their respected genres.

[thelastgreatman]

You have no idea about anything to do with punk... do you?

Great punk bands today are still making music and touring. Vandals, GBH, Circle Jerks, DOA, Bad Religion, NOFX and Rancid are just ones that come off of the top of my head.
And if you want to get into some subgenres of punk... The Aggrolites, Nekromantix, Tiger Army and Dropkick Murphys are all the top of their class of their respected genres.

How many of those bands have been around for fewer than 10 years, seriously? You're kinda proving my point. It's either a practically "classic" punk act--Vandals, DOA, Bad Religion, NOFX, Rancid all fit in here given that they haven't had any new buzz for years and even then a lot of them are co-opted by modern bullshit punk kids who got into it from Sum 41 or similar garbage--or it's pop-punk, or it's a handful of punk-hyphenates. Being from Jersey I've been hearing about Dropkick for years, so they feel old to me but I guess they've been breaking out recently, huh?

[rage patton]

But you said......And prior to that, my argument would be: well what the fuck else are punks gonna go see? Sum 41?
So I gave you some punk bands that are still very alive and kicking today. You never said new punk bands. But if you are talking about new punk bands, then I would agree. There are not many new "classic style" punk bands comming out. The only one I can really think of is The Unseen.
However, punk is far from dead. Most of the punk bands getting attention now adays are from subgenres. And most of them have been around for a while too... they are just finally getting attention. In reggae/ska you have The Aggrolites, The Slackers and crusty acts like Leftover Crack. In rockabilly/psychobilly you have Tiger Army, Nekromantix, Horrorpops and Rezurex. Of course you have your celtic punk like Dropkick, Flogging Molly and the Tossers. And no, you are not old. Dropkick have been big for years, they are just getting a lot more attention rightnow because they released an album a while ago and have a basically sold out NA tour on thier hands. and most recently, you have the Gypsy Punk movement of Gogol Bordello. Who have inturn made room for totally non-punk, yet Balkan acts to get into the spotlike, light Balkan Beatbox.
Punk is far from dead.

[thelastgreatman]

Punk is dead, dude. When all the known acts are basically veteran acts, the movement is dead. You've got a handful of groups I never heard of against a dozen bands that haven't been relevant since the mid 90s for the most part.

But punk was bullshit anyway, I'm glad it's dead. Anarchy and a revolution against complication and melody are equally stupid fucking concepts that deserve a grave.

[rage patton]

It may not be as lively as it used to be, but it sure isn't dead.

And a "revolution again complication and melody" sure as fuck was not a stupid concept. Could you imagine if all we had were band that sounded like Yes and Rush?

[thelastgreatman]

Well, those are some selective choices. I could imagine if all bands sounded like Floyd, Tool, Radiohead, and Sgt. Pepper's and it sounds like heaven to me. Regressing to simple three-chord anti-harmonic songwriting just to be different is exactly why it has no legitimacy. There's no reason to go back to I Wanna Hold Your Hand after someone's made A Day In The Life--doing so is just a cop-out way to succeed despite any real talent.

[rage patton]

No. I still wouldn't want all my music to sound like Floyd, Tool, Radiohead and The Beatles. I want diversity. I want my Rancid. I want my Choking Victim. I want my Bad Religion. I want my Dead Kenedys. I want my Vandals. I want my Sex Pistols and sure as fuck am not leaving without my Clash! And I want it all to go along with my Floyd, Tool and Radiohead.
Look, if punks not for you, then that's cool with me. Obviously, its not for everybody. But its not talentless. Why should bands be praised for doing 3 chord progression songs slowly which last for twenty minutes... while bands they do 3 chord progression songs faster then fuck that last for two minutes get dissed? Its all a mater of perspective and personal taste.

[thelastgreatman]

Punk is more prone to talentlessness than other genres because you can get away with it. Simplicity is inherently less skilled. Sometimes it's brilliant anyway--The White Album (disc one only), Nirvana, Johnny Cash. But most of the time it's The Sex Pistols, Ramones, Bad Religion, and Rancid, all of which have a handful of decent songs but will never qualify as the same tier of music.


/punk argument for tonight

[rage patton]

David Gilmour always said he wasn't that good of a guitarist. So, what he did to cover it up was put a shitload of effects on his guitar and incorporate weird noises.
As I said... its a perspective. I know some people who think Tool, Pink Floyd and Radiohead are some of the most most pretentious bullshit around. I don't agree with them. But I don't agree with you either. I personaly, love both.

[thelastgreatman]

Probably punks who think that. Punks are cute like that--if you're actually making an effort at taking art to any depth you're pretentious. It's a delightful self-fulfilling excuse for their producing crap.

[nationocean]

this thread has been THREADJACKED!

[rage patton]

Probably punks who think that. Punks are cute like that--if you're actually making an effort at taking art to any depth you're pretentious. It's a delightful self-fulfilling excuse for their producing crap.

I know some punks who think that, and I know some people who aren't punks that think that. But since you aren't a fan of punk, its hard for you to appreciate what they are doing. I would like to see you make a quality punk song. It may not be as easy and talentless as you think. But then again, you would probably just strum 4 chords over and over and call that a punk song. So, your not really qualified to write a punk song.

[menikmati]

Go back to the mid 80's and yeah there was some good "underground" punk going on, which spurned some great bands later on (Nirvana). But now? Ehh...I think the whole Blink 182, Sum41 bullshit of the late 90's and early 2000's really hurt punk, because those bands were marketed as some kind of new punk, even though they really weren't. Sorry when I think of punk today, I see the Vans Warp tour shit, and that is never good.

[rage patton]

Go back to the mid 80's and yeah there was some good "underground" punk going on, which spurned some great bands later on (Nirvana). But now? Ehh...I think the whole Blink 182, Sum41 bullshit of the late 90's and early 2000's really hurt punk, because those bands were marketed as some kind of new punk, even though they really weren't. Sorry when I think of punk today, I see the Vans Warp tour shit, and that is never good.

Vans Warped Tour is no longer a punk festival. Even Kevin Lyman has said it himself. And he has admitted he has been purposely inviting less punk bands to play each year. The first year emo had a real presence at Warped Tour was 02 and 03... but it was very minimal. 2004 is when it all fell apart.
If you are looking for punk today, the Vans Warped tour isn't a good place. This year, the Vans Warped tour actually have a pretty good lineup as far as Im concerned. Best since 03 in my opinion... but thats not very hard. Band I am excited to see this year are The Aggrolites, The Vandals, GBH, Reel Big Fish, Rise Against, The HorrorPops and The Briggs. I would be excited to see Against Me!, but their last album was terrible. Their previous one wasn't great either. Its to bad, Reinventing Axl Rose was a fucking briliant album.