Where'd the Drug Thread go?/F*ck Search Button

[brando4n82]

Cant find the drug thread.

Anyhoo, I was wondering if anyone has had any experiences smoking "laced" bud? An was wondering how common this is. The whole idea of people lacing bud with say, PCP, doesnt make sense, unless it was for "practical joke" reasons or if the buyer is actually paying more for the product because its laced=/

So yeah, My friend is quite the avid smoker and bud connoisseur. Smokes probably 2 times a day at least, and has been smoking regularly for about 3 year or so. He calls me up a few days ago and we meet up to hang out and shoot the shit and he tells me that the previosu night was one of the craziest ngihts he's ever had. He tells me he invited a few of his basketball buddies over, (i know them as well, they are not shadey people) they have a little session, and one of the guys packs my friend a pretty big bowl of shake, which he snaps in one hit. It was his first session of the day and he got pretty faded from it.
His basketball buddies leave after about 20 minutes or so. and 10 minutes after that he starts to trip out like no other. here are soem of the following effects/symptoms he described to me:

.He grabbed his laptop to look something up and the google logo was just spinning out of control.
.His heart rate was very rapid, to the point where he could prominently feel it with his hand on his chest.
.His body began to get really cold and he had to grab a sweatshirt and a blanket.
.No other visuals besides the Google logo spinning, but described the head trip as shrooms/lsd/ and even salvia. (he has experimented with all three in the past) and said he basically tripped harder than he has with those pyschs.

We deduced that there was no acid or shrooms in that bowl he smoked, for obvisous reasons, and it could not have been salvia because it took about a half hour to kick in after he had smoked it. Niether of us have any experience with PCP, but have heard people have laced bud with PCP. Does this sound like familiar to anyone at all? Oh I should also mention that the guy who packed a bowl for my friend was also smoking the same stuff in front of him and did nto have those effects.

*paging Randall*

[thelastgreatman]

(a) finding threads is easiest if you use Advanced Search and just search thread titles.

(b) it took a half hour to kick in? Are we sure about that? Almost nothing that's inhaled (in this case, we're assuming freebased) takes that long. Dust will start to hit practically as you're exhaling. It actually sounds kinda similar to how a bowl laced with crack can be--or was when I was very young--but again, 30 minutes to induction makes no sense.

Um... I mean there are a few other outside chances. Maybe 5-meo-dmt I suppose--the effects sound similar to a low level DMT experience (vaguely) but DMT hits instantly. 5-meo-dmt has a much longer come up, but experience reports of it being smoked are extremely rare and he would have tasted it distinctly.

Frankly, the 30 minutes makes any kind of lacing almost impossible as an explanation. Possibly dried, crushed up mushrooms. Again that would probably be tasted though. Can't think of too much else. There's a whole world of research chemicals that could theoretically account for it, I suppose.

[brando4n82]

yeah i mean, the 30 minute thing is what was throwing me off too. He said he was just really faded for that first half hour, and then it just hit him like a ton of bricks. I forgot to mention that he standing right at his door for a few mintues (inside his room) very close to going out in the family room and telling his parents what was up and that he might need to go to a hospital. and again, he is no stranger to a heavy marijuana fade. It is all very puzzling. thanks for the :2c Rands

[M Sparks]

Which axis was the Google logo spinning on?

X=Nightshade
Y=Myristicin
Z=Bananadine

[brando4n82]

Which axis was the Google logo spinning on?

X=Nightshade
Y=Myristicin
Z=Bananadine

Bartlesby Tuna

[thelastgreatman]

How long did it last for? My best guess after thinking some more and double checking Erowid briefly is that MAYBE it was just a very small amount of PCP, probably left in the bowl. Anytime I've gotten dusted we've been very intentionally smoking dust and a lot of it, and the come on is fast. But in theory it seems that it could take anywhere up to 20 minutes, which if it was more of a "resin hit" of sorts might make sense.

Plus, almost all the stories I've ever heard from someone hitting a bowl and ending up WAY too tripping were usually dust.

[Blinken]

Very wierd, i know one night during my freshman year i was smoking with friends and had an intense head trip for the rest of the night it took a while to come on. I don't if the stuff was laced because there a few people packing then i left the room before i started tripping. I never asked them because i had only been smoking for a year or so and didn't want to look like a dumbshit. The one possibility i can think of was a coke bowl, a few people i knew where into them back then. I never tried it, unless this is what it was. But the effects were not like coke, unless the effects are different smoked.

[brando4n82]

His "Trip" was a solid hour he said, starting a half hour after he smoked that is

[thelastgreatman]

Snowcapping (weed with coke on top) produces a pretty mild coke-like buzz. Throwing crack in with weed, on the other hand, produces a seriously strong and longer lasting kind of cracked out high. One of my friends snuck a joint that was probably half crack on me when I was still only 15 or so and was only smoking pot, and the shit had me bugged for a couple hours.

Since then, I've developed an occasional taste for it, I admit. But if you're not expecting it, that burning rubber flavor means you're about to be disoriented in the extreme.

[brando4n82]

I'm declaring this the new Drug thread...

Are there knwon longterm effects or just negative effects in general with doing ketamine and Ecstacy in the same night?.....my raver friend need to chill out. He told me he did K and E at a rave two nights ago and that does not sound too good

[Blinken]

Thanks for the info Randy, it was so long ago, and before i did alot of shit, so how knows. I was probably dusted, i wouldn't put i past the fools i was smoking with to do that.

[thelastgreatman]

His "Trip" was a solid hour he said, starting a half hour after he smoked that is

Only an hour? Hmm... alright, it must have been residue of either crack or PCP. There are a few other possibilities, again they would have to be residue strictly at this point based on what you're telling me, but they're research chemicals. Unless this cat whose bowl he was hitting was a serious psychonaut, I doubt that's the case. 5-meo-dipt residue could cause a feeling sorta like that though, based on the reaction a strictly weed smoking roommate of mine had once when he asked to borrow my piece to smoke a bowl and came back 10 minutes later asking "Dude... what the fuck have you been smoking out of that? I feel soooooooooooo not human."

[thelastgreatman]

I'm declaring this the new Drug thread...

Are there knwon longterm effects or just negative effects in general with doing ketamine and Ecstacy in the same night?.....my raver friend need to chill out. He told me he did K and E at a rave two nights ago and that does not sound too good

K and E get mixed pretty frequently. No real interaction that makes doing them together any more damaging than doing them separately. Don't get all after-school special on him unless he starts doing either one with particular frequency.

[Blinken]

5-meo-dipt residue could cause a feeling sorta like that though, based on the reaction a strictly weed smoking roommate of mine had once when he asked to borrow my piece to smoke a bowl and came back 10 minutes later asking "Dude... what the fuck have you been smoking out of that? I feel soooooooooooo not human."

Awesome.

[brando4n82]

K and E get mixed pretty frequently. No real interaction that makes doing them together any more damaging than doing them separately. Don't get all after-school special on him unless he starts doing either one with particular frequency.

hmm fair enoug. its just, like this time last year he would do E like, once every 2 or 3 months. and now its just gotten to the point where he drives out to San Bernardino every weekend ( a good 2 hour drive from wheree we live) and does E like twice a month, and now i ehar hes mixing E with K, But I suppose I should leave that stuff off this board. Thanks R-Dawg

[thelastgreatman]

There are a lot of conflicting feelings about the long-term effects of E, but my personal stance (which is strongly supported by scientific analysis) is that any lasting damage only really arises from especially frequent--like more than once a week--and especially excessive dosing at that frequency. If he's doing 20 pills a week, after a while he might have some serious issues. I don't think it did me any real harm, but I'm a little unique. I have a number of friends who have maintained habits of an average of 4 e pills or so once a week for more than 7 years (give or take a few months each year) and are fine.

K can fuck your brain up if you do it with tremendous frequency for a long period of time, though. I've known some legitimate K-holed folks. Don't buy those bullshit pictures of it having eaten holes in your brain--that stuff is all a lie--but disassociatives can do lasting damage to your brain's ability to process all nervous inputs.

[sbessiso]

i think some killer mushrooms (and maybe 'cid) will do me just fine at coach

edit: unless of course i find something better

[Blinken]

I am in the process of trying to find some killer shrooms or acid for coach, but all my connects are fucking failing. I am so annoyed about LA, i might have to go back up to Santa Cruz to find some goodies.

[thelastgreatman]

So many better things for Coachella than mushrooms. So many. This year might be a legendary convergence of all the corners of the hallucinogenic pantheon for me if things keep up the way they seem to be shaping. Thank god, last year was so disappointing.

[Blinken]

I want acid, but can't my hands on any.

[thelastgreatman]

Get to the campgrounds early, walk around a lot, make conversation with hippies.

[Blinken]

That is my last resort plan. the only problem is i have never tried acid and i wanted to drop once before i go to the desert. I don't think it is wise to have acid for the first time at coachella.

[sbessiso]

So many better things for Coachella than mushrooms.

oh yeah? any suggestions for me?

[thelastgreatman]

Acid, good ecstasy (large amounts), mescaline, 2-cb, 2-ci, 2-cd, more acid, acid and ecstasy together being the ultimate.

[sbessiso]

i need to find some killer acid, I havent been abl to have a good trip in the longest, i fear my tolerance has gone way up or something, the only time i ever rolled and it was a great time was for daft punk/modest mouse/DURAN fucking DURAN

never tried mescaline, always wanted to, and I have no fucking idea what 2-cb, ci or cd is

coachella is gonna be intense huh

[amyzzz]

acid and ecstasy together made my husband throw up.

[thelastgreatman]

Yeah, well, sometimes to see the true beauty of all God's creation you have to barf.

[sbessiso]

(i'm a little scared to try some of these)

[brando4n82]

Yeah, well, sometimes to see the true beauty of all God's creation you have to barf.

HAH!

[Veloco22]

would it be a bad idea to try acid and x for the first time during roger waters? i've tried x once, but never a potent hallucinogenic.

[algunz]

My friends and I bought a joint off a guy in Washington Square and had a very similar experience as your friend, brando. We shared it and joked about how stoned we were. About 15 minutes later we all looked at each other and were in complete recognition of how tripped out we were. We were all drug veterans and realized that it was definitely more than just pot. Of course to this day, we have no idea what it was, but we suspected PCP. Once we made peace and resigned our selves to it, it turned out to be a surprisingly GREAT day.

[send me ctrpllrs]

I'm an every day weed smoker and occasionally I drop E, but I want to do something else at Coachella. Want to try both shrooms and acid beforehand to see if I would be fine doing it there. Definitely don't want to try it for the first time there, as somebody else said, probably not too smart to do that.

[greghead]

Acid is fantastic, but if you are not accustomed to hallucinogenics, you should definitely not use Coachella as your test-run. For me, shrooms are much more mellow, but not as fun as acid. Acid is an entirely different beast. The shit will swallow you up if you're not careful.

[Gyrus]

Acid, good ecstasy (large amounts), mescaline, 2-cb, 2-ci, 2-cd, more acid, acid and ecstasy together being the ultimate.


Best quote ever....

[send me ctrpllrs]

Obviously hallucinogenics would make shows more fun and all, but how well does one remember a show afterwards? I want to have a great time, but I don't want it to be something where I'm having this experience that won't be remembered with much detail.

[kingsblend420]

There are a lot of conflicting feelings about the long-term effects of E, but my personal stance (which is strongly supported by scientific analysis) is that any lasting damage only really arises from especially frequent--like more than once a week--and especially excessive dosing at that frequency. If he's doing 20 pills a week, after a while he might have some serious issues. I don't think it did me any real harm, but I'm a little unique. I have a number of friends who have maintained habits of an average of 4 e pills or so once a week for more than 7 years (give or take a few months each year) and are fine.

K can fuck your brain up if you do it with tremendous frequency for a long period of time, though. I've known some legitimate K-holed folks. Don't buy those bullshit pictures of it having eaten holes in your brain--that stuff is all a lie--but disassociatives can do lasting damage to your brain's ability to process all nervous inputs.


20 pills a week? Whos got that kind of cash and spare time? Fuuuuuuuuuuuck....

[kingsblend420]

Acid is fantastic, but if you are not accustomed to hallucinogenics, you should definitely not use Coachella as your test-run. For me, shrooms are much more mellow, but not as fun as acid. Acid is an entirely different beast. The shit will swallow you up if you're not careful.

Ahem to that. That mofo will take control and send you off on a wild ride. Shrooms are waaay more mellow.

[Astrid]

large crowds of people + hallucinogens can get pretty fucked up.

the first time i ever fried was at a forest rave, all the clingy e-tards, that shit was crazy. i would definitely recommend doing it a few times with some friends at the beach, or somewhere comfortable to you. good music, good company, good scenery. because if you do end up freaking out you're going to ruin your day and probably whoever you are with who is going to have to take care of you, and you will miss some good shit. always be able to handle your drugs.

[greghead]

Obviously hallucinogenics would make shows more fun and all, but how well does one remember a show afterwards? I want to have a great time, but I don't want it to be something where I'm having this experience that won't be remembered with much detail.

Certain things are remembered in precise detail, but others are not remembered. You are more aware of some things, but completely oblivious to others. Depends on how comfortable you are, and how in control of your thought processes you are. Control is the key. You lose control of your brain on psychedelics, and it turns against you. That's when things get scary.

[thelastgreatman]

Here's the grand rule: you need to do acid the first time in a space you know well, feel comfortable in, with a small group of people you trust implicitly (they should be very funny if possible) who have a significant amount of experience with acid themselves. Once you get the basics of the warp down pat and find out the fear is really unnecessary, a place like Coachella is the best trip site in the world.

To whoever asked if you should candyflip (ecstasy + acid) for Roger Waters, the answer is emphatically yes. But you better have at least one other solid friend by you, and some Xanax or Thorazine available. Just in case. Personally I think you'll be too captivated and mind-blown to even be able to consider anything negative entering your mind.

As far as remembering concerts go, this is an argument I was having with a friend of mine recently. He does a pretty decent lot of drugs himself, but actually said that he doesn't like seeing concerts tripping because of this "memory" thing. Now, maybe it's just me, but if I see a concert sober I still don't really "remember" too much about it exactly. If I knew the songs by heart already maybe I'd notice slight differences. I might remember more of the banter between songs. But for the most part I'm just left with a kind of broad impression of what went on with a few specific instances stuck out in my mind.

Being on these drugs for a concert can make recall difficult, but it also creates certain memories that are so indelibly etched onto your brainpan that they make everything else look like a Polaroid. Every time I hear Y Control or Maps--because I was peaking on my favorite candyflip of all time at Coach 06--I actually FEEL that moment all over again. The drugs, the site, the space...

For me drugs are a way of being able to recapture the intensity of concerts any time I want. Just put the songs on, and my whole nervous system has a flashback. It's wonderful.

[gratytrainridesagain]

First time I did acid I was at Yellowstone and a big elk ended up chasing me and my girlfriend at the time, thankfully that didn't turn bad, actually one of the best drug experiences I ever had. I will agree though with almost any drug you're not familiar with you should always be in a known environment and with close people.

[sbessiso]

holy shit gravytrain, i fucking love your avatar, i was thinking of putting uncle jessie for a while

[amyzzz]

I remember most everything on acid, but I only remember bits and pieces on E. That's why I would take acid (or 2ci) at a concert and not E, although I could take E for Daft Punk.

[thelastgreatman]

Ecstasy is just auditory sex. There is no music in the world that doesn't sound five times better on ecstasy. This is how raves managed to thrive.

[sbessiso]

ecstasy makes me grind my teeth way too much

[thelastgreatman]

There are tricks to help with that. Couldn't find a decent Youtube vid for it, but this exercise: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/462254/free_massage_videos_com_simple_tmj_exercise/

Is the saving grace to jaw pain. Video looks kinda creepy as it's just a closeup of a dude's mouth while he demonstrates an exercise people with TMJ use to relief tension, but it's the best display I could find.

[sbessiso]

cool cool, but i'm still very doubtful on the E for Coachella, maybe i'll change my mind, thinking about the Sahara does make me want to roll like i've never rolled before

[sbessiso]

rolling for arcade fire must've been great

[sbessiso]

i know exactly what you're talking about, shrooming for the white stripes at the roo last year did it for me

[thelastgreatman]

Rolled for Arcade at the Greek, was on beat acid for their performance at Coach 07. Holy shit did that night ever piss me off. That reminds me, I have to go find that fucker and do something terrible to him. You wouldn't believe what I payed per tab, and ate seven of the motherfuckers and barely got a +1.5 experience at best.

I don't see The White Stripes as being a show worth tripping for, really. I mean I would if I was going to see them cause why not, but I don't see how they could be that good of a stimulus.

[sbessiso]

theyre my number one favorite band, so I had all that excitment and anticipation built up, plus there was so much fucking red, and the sound was blasting, god it was perfect, jack was perfect

[thelastgreatman]

Ah, well alright, I can dig that I suppose. I've never really gotten the extreme love for the Stripes. Seeing The Black Keys last year all I could think was, "Oh, here's my perfect argument for why The White Stripes are overrated." Not to disagree with you--but you should check out the Keys if you haven't already. Much better guitar-and-drums-only blues rock.

[bartelby]

Yeah, well, sometimes to see the true beauty of all God's creation you have to barf.

I love you.

[bartelby]

I've heard conflicting things regarding the proper candyflipping procedure. What's the best way?

Take them simultaneously?
Acid first, then E at 4 hour mark?

Opinions are appreciated....

[thelastgreatman]

I've heard that acid first and e after the peak theory as well, but never actually tested it. Personally, I like the sensory overload that comes with doing them simultaneously. It's too much for some, probably even most, but for me it's one of the few things that pushes the envelope to the extent I seek nowadays. My bigger issue with it is that acid is only good at night, so for concert purposes you'd need shows worth tripping at going from 8 pm til 4 am for that staggered order to be worthwhile--IMO.

[amyzzz]

I've heard acid first, then e 4 hours later (after the peak), but take low doses or you might end up throwing up. I could 1+1 and was fine. My hubby took 2+2 and barfed up all his candy (we eat a lot of candy on acid).

[sbessiso]

Ah, well alright, I can dig that I suppose. I've never really gotten the extreme love for the Stripes. Seeing The Black Keys last year all I could think was, "Oh, here's my perfect argument for why The White Stripes are overrated." Not to disagree with you--but you should check out the Keys if you haven't already. Much better guitar-and-drums-only blues rock.

black keys are maybe my third or fourth favorite band

[thelastgreatman]

You really don't like multiple instruments, do you?

[sbessiso]

i love stripped down raw garage rock, but I listen to a lot of different shit

[nicolelmt]

Obviously hallucinogenics would make shows more fun and all, but how well does one remember a show afterwards? I want to have a great time, but I don't want it to be something where I'm having this experience that won't be remembered with much detail.
Trust me, you'll remember every moment.

[nicolelmt]

Trolling or candy flipping is the most intense drug experience you can have, but don't plan on being able to sleep on it, bring some xanax. I have a hard time falling asleep on drugs but with those 2 mixed you're guaranteed a extremely difficult time resting your mind. But everyone responds differently to drugs. One guy on here said shrooms were mellow. I, personally, think I've had more intense trips on shrooms than I have on acid. Shrooms makes me feel out of control of my body more than acid does, and has just as strong visuals as Acid. 2ci I only took once and didn't move off the couch for hours on end. Just sat there with one glow stick in my hand. Ha, I have tripped and rolled in public but never at a rave or huge concert like Ultra or Coachella. Anything interesting I should consider? How to be safer in these environments?

[amyzzz]

I agree--shrooms have been WAY intense for me. Different strokes for different folks.

[Bud Luster]

for me,

good mushrooms = body load, hard to move, visuals are usually crazy patterns and waves.

good acid = more heady, speedier - instense visuals of things that arent there.

[greghead]

I ate a quarter of shrooms back in 05 and had a blast. The key with psychedelics, whether you're at home alone or in a crowd of 50,000, is to just relax and go with it. No matter when you take the e or the acid, just make sure you're relaxed and in a good mood. All the rest will fall into place.

[sbessiso]

a quarter?? the most i've taken is an eighth, should I move on up?

[gratytrainridesagain]

Depends I did a quarter once and it was just a bit too intense for me. Then again shrooms and me don't really get along the best.

[sbessiso]

sometimes I just get a little scared, I really wanna troll, but it scares me a bit

[gratytrainridesagain]

Troll?

[sbessiso]

its what the kids here in miami call tripping and rolling at the same time

[gratytrainridesagain]

Oh yeah not sure if I could do that seems a bit much

[sbessiso]

really? kimmy gibler is capable of anything

[gratytrainridesagain]

Except turning DJ stuck up bitch

[sbessiso]

you were never able to get your hands on uncle jessie either, i dont blame you, dont we all wanna be Stamos-ed

[gratytrainridesagain]

I'd rather be Coulier'd

http://www.writersdigest.com/writerslife/content/binary/2dave_coulier.jpg

[sbessiso]

LOL!

CUT.IT.OUT!

*popeye voice* akuhkuhkuh, well blow me down

[gratytrainridesagain]

Anyway back on track I kinda wanna freebase with Stephanie Tanner and then watch elf

[gratytrainridesagain]

sorry i meant Alf but elf would work aswell

[thelastgreatman]

Trust me, you'll remember every moment.

Um... no. No you won't. Trust ME. =) That's a ridiculous statement.

Trolling or candy flipping is the most intense drug experience you can have, but don't plan on being able to sleep on it, bring some xanax. I have a hard time falling asleep on drugs but with those 2 mixed you're guaranteed a extremely difficult time resting your mind. But everyone responds differently to drugs. One guy on here said shrooms were mellow. I, personally, think I've had more intense trips on shrooms than I have on acid. Shrooms makes me feel out of control of my body more than acid does, and has just as strong visuals as Acid. 2ci I only took once and didn't move off the couch for hours on end. Just sat there with one glow stick in my hand. Ha, I have tripped and rolled in public but never at a rave or huge concert like Ultra or Coachella. Anything interesting I should consider? How to be safer in these environments?

What is "trolling?" It's not the most intense drug experience you can have--just one of the more intense and most fun. =) And no shit it's hard to go to sleep--they're hallucinogens. C'mon, sweetie, we're pretty far into the nuances of drugs here, I think we can skip over "hard to sleep."

People that say shrooms are stronger than acid I'm pretty sure are all the result of the incredibly low quality of acid today. Otherwise I don't get how all of you feel that way. But I say that as someone who has abnormal dosing habits. I've done as much mushrooms as I think you can really do in one sitting--four day long sitting, but still one sitting--and I never slipped into the kind of actual hallucination of shit that ain't real that can be achieved with high-level acid doses.

[send me ctrpllrs]

Yeah, I can't remember every moment sober, no chance in hell I'll remember on drugs. The only concert I've rolled at is Explosions in the Sky at the Fun Fun Fun Festival and can only recall parts of that show, usually when listening to some of the songs they played. Been to raves, so at least for rolling, huges crowds are not an issue. Those nights are just big blurs though at far as remember much, though the music didn't stand out because none of it was stuff I was familiar with. So that was part of that. I'm going to roll for Explosions in the Sky again this saturday. We'll see how that goes as far as remembering.

What is everybody planning on doing each night? I want to be having an experience on something each night, but am not sure about what to do to mix things up.

[thelastgreatman]

No, it's not that you won't remember anything, you'll just remember very specific instants--but ridiculously more vivid. That's why hallucinogens are so much fun, you end up with memories that are like the IMAX version of life. Realer than real.

[greghead]

a quarter?? the most i've taken is an eighth, should I move on up?

You may not want to jump right to a quarter, but definitely eighth and a half, and then see how you feel. Shrooms don't get me nearly as fucked up as they used to, so I don't really take them anymore, but if I did, I would eat a quarter.

[FromTheColonyOfBirchmen]

Has anyone fucked with Peyote at Coachella.
LastGreatMan, you were saying you recomended mescaline, you have any experience with just peyote?

[amyzzz]

I can't even take an eighth--gets me too fucked up. The peak on shrooms is kinda scary. I do wish we had better acid these days.

edit: just saw the previous post. I had some mescaline for Bjork @coach last year (San Pedro, not Peyote), and it was pretty cool and dreamy, although I wasn't able to take a whole lot. We extracted it at home, and it is expensive to buy those cacti, even if they are legal to buy at the Home Depot. We also had some issues with carrying it in because the heat made our "pellets" all goopy and gross. Still better than drinking cactus tea though.

[xXThirdManXx]

That's why hallucinogens are so much fun, you end up with memories that are like the IMAX version of life. Realer than real.

QFT

[thelastgreatman]

Has anyone fucked with Peyote at Coachella.
LastGreatMan, you were saying you recomended mescaline, you have any experience with just peyote?

Hoping to for the first time this year--only had synthetic before, as mentioned a couple times previously.

WHERE THE FUCK IS A NEW MEXICO INJUN WHEN YOU NEED ONE, EH?

[gratytrainridesagain]

MN injun here have had real Peyote, messed up. I was given Peyote root as headache relief, works really well btw and totally legal.

[thelastgreatman]

Why HELLO gravytrainridesagain. Look forward to meeting up with you at Coachella and exchanging something for some of that.

Please don't make this go the hard way.

[nicolelmt]

Well trolling(what we call it down here aka candy flipping) was the most intense drug experience I've had. And like I said, everyone responds differently to drugs. I personally would not want to troll at a music festival because when you're doing hard drugs multiple days in a row, you might want a little sleep in between. And, actually, my boyfriend can sleep on just about anything, so it's not difficult for everyone to sleep, I was just saying with my experience with mixing those drugs I've had an especially hard time sleeping. Damn, now that Aphex Twin has been added I am really hating life not being able to attend Coachella.

[gratytrainridesagain]

Why HELLO gravytrainridesagain. Look forward to meeting up with you at Coachella and exchanging something for some of that.

Please don't make this go the hard way.

Sorry I don't have any wish I did. Was just saying I have had it, if I find some I'll let you know, but I can probably only find the root which I'm guessing you don't really want.

[thelastgreatman]

Trolling? Ew, I hate that. Candyflipping annoyed me enough at first, but at least it's kinda descriptive.

It's intense. But it's the most intense of the fun, concert-friendly drugs only--disassociatives and some research chemicals push towards overwhelming a lot easier, provided you're taking a shitload of both.

Candyflipping at Coachella was the best time I've ever had in my life. Should've been last year too but the acid was beat. Cocksuckers.

THIS fucking year though, we're shaping up to have some absurd flip potential going. I'm starting to wonder if it might be possible to go through 6 hallucinogens total, flipping two each day. Depending on what comes through... it might have to fucking be done. Just have to. God I love this year.

Nicole, did you try taking like 4 mg of Xanax? You'll sleep.

[nicolelmt]

Oh the first time I did it I didn't have any xanax and that ended very badly. I got very sick and stayed up for days. I took way too much x and I think they had meth in them. I also had not eaten the day I took them. I was stupid about it. The 2nd time I didn't over dose on the x and I had some xanax for the next day and ordered a pizza and passed out. Thats why in my original post I said to make sure you have some xanax for sleeping.

[Blinken]

So my connect finnaly came through for the acid. Me and my 3 friends have never done it before. What do you recomend for a first time? Randy do you have any suggestions to make it better, i think we will be chiling at my friends house so any ideas are greatly appreciated.

[nicolelmt]

Go for a walk. Do you have any nice nature trails near by your place? Nature is always beautiful tripping, I find movies to be a bore and a waste of a trip.

[thelastgreatman]

Oh the first time I did it I didn't have any xanax and that ended very badly. I got very sick and stayed up for days. I took way too much x and I think they had meth in them. I also had not eaten the day I took them. I was stupid about it. The 2nd time I didn't over dose on the x and I had some xanax for the next day and ordered a pizza and passed out. Thats why in my original post I said to make sure you have some xanax for sleeping.

Yeah, I know kid, I include the Xanax/Valium/Ativan in every ecstasy use manifesto I've written on this board, which has happened like ten times now. Perhaps we haven't been properly introduced--I'm the drug guru. Nice to see you've dabbled.

And the pizza is actually a good point too. People don't appreciate how much food can help one get to sleep after coming down from amphetamines in particular.

Oh, and you should always look up your pills on www.pillreports.com before purchase, because speedy pills are shit.

So my connect finnaly came through for the acid. Me and my 3 friends have never done it before. What do you recomend for a first time? Randy do you have any suggestions to make it better, i think we will be chiling at my friends house so any ideas are greatly appreciated.

There's not going to be ANYONE there who's done it before? You should really have at least one shepard with you. Certain things about acid need to be explained sometimes to newbies, not everyone is as easily adjustable to the mindstate shift.

Are they all going to Coachella too perhaps? If so, I recommend spending a little bit of time listening to DSOTM and Roseland Live. You'll hear it in great new ways, and it'll get you jazzed for Coach. Really almost any music will sound really good, but you should try to pick things that have a good sonic, resonant element as acid's auditory enhancement is largely the effect of echo that takes place inside your mind and makes everything sound much much wider, deeper, taller, etc. Other things that are fun on acid for your first musically:

Listen to The Holy Gift ordering of Lateralus if you're a Tool fan.
YYYs and Bjork both do great if you like 'em.
The P.U.L.S.E. DVD will be fun, but acid doesn't really respond visually to tv screens as much as you might think. You could also give The Wall a shot but I find the movie overrated, although it did make one of the toughest, most violent and generally badass dudes I've ever known break down into tears while watching it on acid, so perhaps stay away.

So that's music. If there are some bands or DVDs or whatever that are more in line with this group's favorites, I suggest posting them here and I'll let you know whether they're likely to be a worthwhile use of the 'cid.

NOW, as far as non-music goes...

Acid is the funniest thing in the world. It's hilarious beyond belief, and extremely non sequitur. One of the best times I ever had was watching every episode of Sealab 2021 for the first time on a couple great tabs in a completely dark bedroom, fucking died laughing for like four hours straight. List some of the favorite comedic flicks/tv series of this group and I'll tell you which I think might be best.

[thelastgreatman]

I wouldn't venture out into the woods as four people all on acid for their very first time. But you definitely do need to go outside as you're all peaking and just feel the entire world. Look up at the sky. Lay down in the grass. Don't venture too far from comfort and safety. First times aren't easy for everyone. Dark bedrooms are a great comfort. But by all means do spend some time outdoors--it'll be a lot of fun when you step through the doorway into the open air and you can actually FEEL the roof pass over your head, and FEEL your energy extending up into the atmosphere. If there's a tree nearby, see if you can feel the leaves without touching them.

[nicolelmt]

Yeah my boyfriend loves Dragonball Z and I hate it, but we watched it for hours on Acid. Lastgreatman, congratulations on being a self proclaimed drug guru. Thats such an accomplishment! Sorry if a open forum gave me the idea I had a right to share my experiences and opinions as well.

[Blinken]

Go for a walk. Do you have any nice nature trails near by your place? Nature is always beautiful tripping, I find movies to be a bore and a waste of a trip.

Sadly, no. I had so much in the forests of UC Santa Cruz when i was on shrooms. It is an urban area, LA really sucks for nature.

[nicolelmt]

Hmm, damn, that sucks! Well, what about the beach?

[Trick Loves The Kids]

I think I'm gonna candyflip for the first time on sunday this year. I'm excited 8)

And I donno why you think mushrooms are so awful. I mean, a full trip would suck but I'm planning on taking a 16th (I usually take an 8th) + a weed brownie for Kraftwerk/Portishead/whatever else is Saturday night and I think that'll be awesome.

[thelastgreatman]

Yeah my boyfriend loves Dragonball Z and I hate it, but we watched it for hours on Acid. Lastgreatman, congratulations on being a self proclaimed drug guru. Thats such an accomplishment! Sorry if a open forum gave me the idea I had a right to share my experiences and opinions as well.

Sorry if an open forum gave me the idea that you should be a bit less authoritive in your expression of knowledge on the matter. You don't know nearly as much as you think you do, and you state some things as fact that aren't. Some of us in here are dedicated psychoactive researchers. Some of us are appreciative of the knowledge provided by the researchers. Some are just people that do drugs and are more than welcome to share their feelings, but I don't like the way you act about it, frankly. You're new. Be meek.

Sadly, no. I had so much in the forests of UC Santa Cruz when i was on shrooms. It is an urban area, LA really sucks for nature.

What part of LA? What you should REALLY do is get someone to drive you down to Crack Alley around 3 am. That's my favorite thing about LA when tripping. Soooooooo funny.

[nicolelmt]

I realize I state things in absolutes sometimes, but let me clarify, I meant for my own experience(which have been many as well).

[amyzzz]

For the first-time user:
I would listen to a lot of trippy electronic or psychedelic music. If you're a Radiohead fan, their last 4 or 5 albums are EXCELLENT on acid--also Massive Attack and AIR are a must.

Make a trip to Walgreen's (or any local drug store) and see what kind of flashy light items they have. We recently picked up these small rubber golf-sized balls with an eye in that LIGHT UP WHEN BANGED TOGETHER. They're so awesome. I swear Walgreen's has the most druggie toys there.
Similar to this, but without the keychain:
http://www.knightdiscounts.com/Wholesale/keychaineyeballs.jpg
They also had light up spinning tops like this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Dv1oJbvdL._AA280_.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/47/131230922_c1f2b7b1f7.jpg

Maybe we're silly, but we go in for the cheezy light-up stuff. They're fun to play with when you're tripping and listening to good music. We watch trippy, cartoony movies for the come-up (think Miyazaki movies like Spirited Away or claymation like Wallace & Gromit), and we watch a lot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a comedown.

[Blinken]

Yeah, I know kid, I include the Xanax/Valium/Ativan in every ecstasy use manifesto I've written on this board, which has happened like ten times now. Perhaps we haven't been properly introduced--I'm the drug guru. Nice to see you've dabbled.

And the pizza is actually a good point too. People don't appreciate how much food can help one get to sleep after coming down from amphetamines in particular.

Oh, and you should always look up your pills on www.pillreports.com before purchase, because speedy pills are shit.



There's not going to be ANYONE there who's done it before? You should really have at least one shepard with you. Certain things about acid need to be explained sometimes to newbies, not everyone is as easily adjustable to the mindstate shift.

Are they all going to Coachella too perhaps? If so, I recommend spending a little bit of time listening to DSOTM and Roseland Live. You'll hear it in great new ways, and it'll get you jazzed for Coach. Really almost any music will sound really good, but you should try to pick things that have a good sonic, resonant element as acid's auditory enhancement is largely the effect of echo that takes place inside your mind and makes everything sound much much wider, deeper, taller, etc. Other things that are fun on acid for your first musically:

Listen to The Holy Gift ordering of Lateralus if you're a Tool fan.
YYYs and Bjork both do great if you like 'em.
The P.U.L.S.E. DVD will be fun, but acid doesn't really respond visually to tv screens as much as you might think. You could also give The Wall a shot but I find the movie overrated, although it did make one of the toughest, most violent and generally badass dudes I've ever known break down into tears while watching it on acid, so perhaps stay away.

So that's music. If there are some bands or DVDs or whatever that are more in line with this group's favorites, I suggest posting them here and I'll let you know whether they're likely to be a worthwhile use of the 'cid.

NOW, as far as non-music goes...

Acid is the funniest thing in the world. It's hilarious beyond belief, and extremely non sequitur. One of the best times I ever had was watching every episode of Sealab 2021 for the first time on a couple great tabs in a completely dark bedroom, fucking died laughing for like four hours straight. List some of the favorite comedic flicks/tv series of this group and I'll tell you which I think might be best.

Yeah none have done it before, and none of my friends in LA have. Some of my friends up north have but that is too far. I have done shrooms a number of times, i don't know how that prepares me, because acid is much more intense from what i have heard.

Great sugestions, 3 of us are going to Coachella, so music is a must. I think i might get the Roseland live CD, i haven't been to into Portishead, so this might just what i need to get excited about them. MGMT's album is a must for me. I might wait on DSOTM til coachella. I don't know about TV, i have problems watching tv on shrooms, Blazzing Saddles was crazy. But i did play through God of War 2 on shrooms and that was great fucking trip. So i guess it is a mixed bag. Sealab 2021 is a favorite, ATHF, Arrested Development,(the more i think about this the better it sounds) plus a lot of other shit that escapes me at the moment.

[thelastgreatman]

I realize I state things in absolutes sometimes, but let me clarify, I meant for my own experience(which have been many as well).

Fine, I can relate. I state things in absolute. But I also have a bit more justification to do so. It's still part of being an asshole. But I think I'm just gonna go to ignore to stop filling the board with argument with you. It's boring, and there's no real argument.

Be meek. Sit back. Share. But learn more.

[Blinken]

What part of LA? What you should REALLY do is get someone to drive you down to Crack Alley around 3 am. That's my favorite thing about LA when tripping. Soooooooo funny.

hahahaha
The South Bay, Torrance and San Pedro area. That is a horrible idea.

[amyzzz]

Oh yeah, and Bjork, as Randy said above. Bjork is essential--especially the entire Homogenic album and frickin "Army of Me." YES!

[Blinken]

I think I'm gonna candyflip for the first time on sunday this year. I'm excited 8)

And I donno why you think mushrooms are so awful. I mean, a full trip would suck but I'm planning on taking a 16th (I usually take an 8th) + a weed brownie for Kraftwerk/Portishead/whatever else is Saturday night and I think that'll be awesome.

I took an eigth saturday last year, plus a few joints, it was great. The best trip i ever had. I did spend an inordinate amount of time exploring all the art, but it was so much fun.

[thelastgreatman]

BTW, the original Drugs thread is here: http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12742&highlight=The+Drugs+Thread

Please note that I'm still not posting in it because of the glut of cunts that flooded in towards the end. But I think I provided answers to the vast majority of a lot of the questions that have popped up in this thread back there, if anyone cares to search through it.

Blinken, when and where are you doing this acid and do you have enough for one more? I might consider guiding you lot if you're interested. This way we could drive places, get you the full range of fun acid feelings, and you really should have at least one experienced person there to help talk people through anything difficult. Just a friendly offer, I probably wouldn't want to bring a stranger into my mix, but I do so enjoy personally facillitating the proper experience of substances for others.

[thelastgreatman]

hahahaha
The South Bay, Torrance and San Pedro area. That is a horrible idea.

That's where you live or that's where you're calling Crack Alley? I'm talking about downtown, south of Los Angeles St, between 3 and 5 ave or so. It's awesome. There's a fucking tent city of crackheads and junkies. It's like something out of a post-apocalyptic movie. It's where I like to bring visiting friends as a "touristy" thing.

[faxman75]

Go for a walk. Do you have any nice nature trails near by your place? Nature is always beautiful tripping, I find movies to be a bore and a waste of a trip.


Word. Well said.

My very first trip was absolutly amazing. It started out on a trampoline in my freinds backyard and I think I laughed for 45 minutes straight, my stomach hurt so bad from it but it was soooooo much fun. Then we walked through the neighborhood and ended up by some train tracks ( I don't recommend, just sharing) we laid down about 5 feet from the tracks and got an amazing rush as the train flew by in our field of vision and the intensity was amazing from the rumble of the train as it flew by. Then we walked about a mile to my friends former apartment they still had keys for and we had glow sticks and poked needle holes in them and tied them to the cieling fan as we blaasted NIN, so super sweet. Later we chilled to more music and laughed and talked about things but it was all kinds of wonderful.

[faxman75]

Who has positive things to say about Salvia?

I orderd some yesterday. My impression was LSD minus the 10 hours. Only like 15-40 minutes or something? Anyway, i'm reading up a lot. I haven't done any drugs outside of pot in about 8 or 9 years. I'm 32.

[Blinken]

That's where you live or that's where you're calling Crack Alley? I'm talking about downtown, south of Los Angeles St, between 3 and 5 ave or so. It's awesome. There's a fucking tent city of crackheads and junkies. It's like something out of a post-apocalyptic movie. It's where I like to bring visiting friends as a "touristy" thing.

That's where i live. Of course that is not crack Ally. I know about the tent city, never been for some reason.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

Who has positive things to say about Salvia?

I orderd some yesterday. My impression was LSD minus the 10 hours. Only like 15-40 minutes or something? Anyway, i'm reading up a lot. I haven't done any drugs outside of pot in about 8 or 9 years. I'm 32.

I tripped balls for about 5 minutes, remembered about 30 seconds of it, and then felt strange until I went to bed.

It was such a neutral experience. On one hand, there was nothing horrible about it, but on the other I have no real desire to ever try it again.

[faxman75]

Interesting. I hear more bad than good. It was a one time purchase and i'm skeptical to try it.

I really want lsd for Saturday at coachella but have no connections whatsoever. hint hint.

[Blinken]

BTW, the original Drugs thread is here: http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12742&highlight=The+Drugs+Thread

Please note that I'm still not posting in it because of the glut of cunts that flooded in towards the end. But I think I provided answers to the vast majority of a lot of the questions that have popped up in this thread back there, if anyone cares to search through it.

Blinken, when and where are you doing this acid and do you have enough for one more? I might consider guiding you lot if you're interested. This way we could drive places, get you the full range of fun acid feelings, and you really should have at least one experienced person there to help talk people through anything difficult. Just a friendly offer, I probably wouldn't want to bring a stranger into my mix, but I do so enjoy personally facillitating the proper experience of substances for others.


Ether this weekend or the next. Thanks for the offer, but i don't think my buddies would like a stranger joining the group. I know what you mean about someone experianced around incase things turn south, or just to guide. But the first time i did shrooms was with me and someone who had never done them before. We still had fun, but it was alot more fun once we knew what to expect the next time around. I have never had a guide no that i think about it. But thanks for the offer.

[Blinken]

Interesting. I hear more bad than good. It was a one time purchase and i'm skeptical to try it.

I really want lsd for Saturday at coachella but have no connections whatsoever. hint hint.

It could go either way. I think i said in this thread about the world ending on my friend. The same day i had one experience where i was laughing for no reason for 3 minutes or so. It is a very mixed bag. If it is bad it will only be for a few minutes. make sure you have someone to watch you. No matter what it is interesting bad or good. My friend that had the world end, still did it again, with very different results.

[faxman75]

Thank you for the insight. :)

LSD, anyone? Share with a good person who just wants to take it Saturday at Coachella? I know it's a longshot on the net.

[Bud Luster]

ok great. new drug thread. 5htp for comedown? experiences, suggestions? Thanks!

[jonnypark]

Interesting. I hear more bad than good. It was a one time purchase and i'm skeptical to try it.

I really want lsd for Saturday at coachella but have no connections whatsoever. hint hint.

how will i know your not a narc?

[faxman75]

I'll pay pal you the cash. You're in canada so a us cop won't come hunt you down and arrest you.

[jonnypark]

you really want some acid

[thelastgreatman]

Who has positive things to say about Salvia?

I tripped balls for about 5 minutes, remembered about 30 seconds of it, and then felt strange until I went to bed.

Salvia is tolerable only in doses so low that they don't really count as true Salvia trips by the standards of the true believers in its shamanistic potential. Frankly, I think it's a miserable substance. The smoke is terrible to inhale, and if you want to actually trip off it you have to rip several large bong loads using a torch lighter one right after another. My lungs were just not up to it--I smoke too many cigs to begin with, haven't been able to clear a 3-footer for years--but it's seriously foul smoke.

People seem to say it's not that bad in little doses that aren't really trips, but for my tastes the body load is WAY outweighed by the hallucinogenic value. Unless you want to see aliens and are prepared to choke down 10 feet of milked salvia smoke and feel like you might be dying to get to that transcendant point, I don't think it's worth it.

ok great. new drug thread. 5htp for comedown? experiences, suggestions? Thanks!

5-htp is the best option out there to take while coming down from anything that depletes serotonin (except for Wellbutrin, which does a better job in a single dose right before bed for my tastes but some people don't respond well to it). Here's how you end a night of ecstasy:

2 5-htp capsules (usually around 250 mg)
OR 100 mg Wellbutrin
2 Ibuprofen (or real painkillers if you got em)
2-4 or more milligrams of Xanax (10-20 of Valium, or if you're particularly susceptible to benzos you might not need so much)
Plenty of water
A snooze bowl

It's helpful to have some form of amphetamine in the morning--Adderall for example--as well, although far from necessary. Oh, and opium tea beats everything, but I doubt anybody is likely to have access to it.

[Blinken]

Salvia is tolerable only in doses so low that they don't really count as true Salvia trips by the standards of the true believers in its shamanistic potential. Frankly, I think it's a miserable substance. The smoke is terrible to inhale, and if you want to actually trip off it you have to rip several large bong loads using a torch lighter one right after another. My lungs were just not up to it--I smoke too many cigs to begin with, haven't been able to clear a 3-footer for years--but it's seriously foul smoke.

I think you were smoking the whole plant, leafy material right? In that case it is really harsh and you have to smoke alot of it. But they have the extracts, that are still a bit harsh but not nearly as bad. One bong rip of a 15x or 20x is more than enough for a trip.

[faxman75]

you really want some acid

Yeah, I guess it's kinda obvious. Like I said, I haven't done it in 10 years and Saturday at Coachella seemed like the perfect day for me. You can make it two hits and Randy will show me the "light".

[thelastgreatman]

Ether this weekend or the next. Thanks for the offer, but i don't think my buddies would like a stranger joining the group. I know what you mean about someone experianced around incase things turn south, or just to guide. But the first time i did shrooms was with me and someone who had never done them before. We still had fun, but it was alot more fun once we knew what to expect the next time around. I have never had a guide no that i think about it. But thanks for the offer.

Totally understood--I wouldn't accept the offer if I was you either, but four people all doing acid for the first time... I had to offer, just for karmic reasons. Shrooms are a little different. I know some people bug out on them on this board (so still don't understand it) but there are elements to the psychological aspects of acid that are quite unique, and sometimes require explaining while people are getting accustomed to them. But as long as you're all in a relatively good place mentally and emotionally--if any of you happen to have some bad news on your mind the day you plan to trip, I really recommend either getting someone to be available for talking them through the possible loop they could end up in, or that they wait until the issue is resolved before doing it.

Stick to funny shit (really, Sealab is a fantastic way to start your mood for a first trip, it'll remove all the bullshit worry and concern for reality) and perfect trip music in the beginning, then venture out and feel the universe for the first time. =)

[thelastgreatman]

I think you were smoking the whole plant, leafy material right? In that case it is really harsh and you have to smoke alot of it. But they have the extracts, that are still a bit harsh but not nearly as bad. One bong rip of a 15x or 20x is more than enough for a trip.

Dude... who're you talking to? It was 35x extract I believe. And check it out on Erowid, the kind of trips I was looking to attain require several bongloads in quick succession. But we're talking about a +3 experience at least I was shooting for, which with Salvia is not something I think I ever want to have.

Initially though, I was prepared to do whatever it took to see some motherfucking aliens.

[faxman75]

Already i'm losing interest in the salvia. Maybe I should just sell it some high school kids. Sounds like a big hassle. I should just stick to the koosh weed.

[jonnypark]

Yeah, I guess it's kinda obvious. Like I said, I haven't done it in 10 years and Saturday at Coachella seemed like the perfect day for me. You can make it two hits and Randy will show me the "light".

Saturday and Sunday both seem perfect.

[Blinken]

Dude... who're you talking to? It was 35x extract I believe. And check it out on Erowid, the kind of trips I was looking to attain require several bongloads in quick succession. But we're talking about a +3 experience at least I was shooting for, which with Salvia is not something I think I ever want to have.

Initially though, I was prepared to do whatever it took to see some motherfucking aliens.

I know who i am talking too, I thought it was wierd that it would be the leafy material, it just sounded like that though. I want to see aliens, that would be fucking great.

[Bud Luster]

Here's how you end a night of ecstasy:

2 5-htp capsules (usually around 250 mg)
OR 100 mg Wellbutrin
2 Ibuprofen (or real painkillers if you got em)
2-4 or more milligrams of Xanax (10-20 of Valium, or if you're particularly susceptible to benzos you might not need so much)
Plenty of water
A snooze bowl



Nice, I'm going to give it a shot sans the wellbutrin and snooze bowl. A bowl while coming down simply makes my mind/thoughts race too much. A smoke the morning after is really nice though.

Also, what are your thoughts on dropping MDMA 2 days in a row. It seems kinda obvious that you should maybe take it easier on the first day in hopes of actually rolling on the 2nd.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

I felt like shit after my first two e-xperiences, and then I started using 5-htp (and a couple other things, google ishkur's preloading thing) and I felt more or less fine afterwards (compared to "I feel like dying" before).

[amyzzz]

Saturday and Sunday both seem perfect.
You build up tolerance to acid though, so you'd have to take multiple-multiple hits to get the same experience if you did it 2 days in a row.

[Bud Luster]

Thanks Trick, figured I post it:

Ishkur's Preloading/Postloading Regimen
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The Effects of Ecstacy
Think of your brain as the engine of a car. Ecstacy makes you floor the gas pedal and make the car go faster than normal. This is fun. But in driving faster, you use up gas faster as well. When the drug wears off, you obviously have less gas. With less gas, you can't drive as fast as you normally do. Therefore you operate less efficiently. This is what Ecstacy does--it uses up all the gas (called serotonin) in your brain, which leaves your brain exhausted and unable to carry out other functions that it uses serotonin for. Low levels of serotonin often affect eating patterns, sleeping patterns, short term memory, and induce symptoms of depression.

Preloading
The concept behind preloading is to add gas to the tank that MDMA is going to use up, put the car in economy mode so it uses gas more efficiently, and to prevent damage to the engine if its driven too hard, especially if there's no gas in the tank. The following supplements safeguard against the drug's negative side-effects while increasing the enjoyment of the positive ones. All are perfectly legal, and can be found in just about any health food store.

Protection
The following three elements are the most protective to a preloading regimen:
1] 5-HTP - 200-400mg
5-hydroxytrytophan is the direct precursor of serotonin in the body. It enhances the loved-up, empathic feelings and cleans up the comedown. It counteracts negative side effects like depression by putting more gas in the tank and ensuring that you don't run out, and also reduces the chances of oxidised dopamine radicals, which leads to neurotoxicity, which leads to brain damage.
2] Vitamin C - 1000mg+
Vitamin C is a potent antioxidant. It is believed that MDMA is neurotoxic due to oxidized free radicals. As such Vitamin C counteracts these free radicals and helps to minimize damage incurred. It is also water soluble and so protective you really can't go wrong going high.
3] Magnesium - 500-1000mg
One of Magnesium's major roles in the body is in muscle relaxation. It is the antagonist [opposite] of calcium, which helps to induce muscle contraction. The jaw clenching observed on MDMA can be minimized through magnesium supplementation. Added magnesium can also minimize cramping due to dehydration.


Enhancement
The following elements are optional because they enhance the experience rather than protect you from anything specific:
1] L-Tyrosine - 500-1500mg
Think of dopamine as engine oil. When the car runs out of gas (serotonin), it starts using up engine oil in its place, which is very hard on the engine, and can lead to permanent damage. L-Tyrosine is to dopamine what 5-HTP is to serotonin. It is its precursor. Dopamine provides the rushy, body buzz, speedy effects. Increasing L-tyrosine levels enhances these sensations.
2] DLPA - 500-1500mg
DLPA amongst other functions, helps to prolong the duration of action of pleasure inducing neurochemicals.
3] L-Glutamine - 2-5 grams
L-Glutamine is a precursor to neurotransmitters in the brain. It also imparts a protective effect on the brain but not as heavily as 5-HTP or Vitamin C.


Usage
It is preferable to preload on a relatively empty stomach, 1-1.5 hours prior to rolling. Preferably take the supplements with a sugary juice to help the amino acids cross the blood brain barrier. It should be noted that preloading can upset some people's stomachs or cause diarrhea due to the acidity of the stomach. In which case, some Immodium can counteract the diarrhea and does not interfere with a roll, and Tums or any calcium carbonate based antacid can reduce the acidity of the stomach and counteract the feelings of sickness. Remember to experiment and take these things slowly as the sheer volume of pills ingested can upset the stomach. It may seem expensive to buy all these things but to protect your brain against neurotoxic effects and reduce other negative side effects is well worth it.

Postloading
The concept behind postloading is to to fill up the tank after a long, fast ride. You restore the elements depleted by MDMA, and in doing so, bypass negative side effects and clean up your comedown while restoring normal function. The only elements required in a postloading regimen are the protective ones. The following supplements safeguard against the drug's negative side-effects the best.

Protection
1] 5-HTP - 200-400mg
2] Vitamin C - 1000mg+
3] Magnesium - 500-1000mg


Usage
5-HTP, Vitamin C, Magnesium are used for reasons also explained in the preloading regimen. A multivitamin is beneficial to help replace spent micronutrients. Water is of course beneficial. You will know if you are bypassing the negative side effects of serotonin depletion if you can sleep soundly after rolling, and do not experience significant post-MDMA depression or disturbances in verbal processing, short term memory and eating patterns.

Natural sources of trytophan (the precursor to 5-hydroxtrytophan, two steps away from serotonin) include bananas and turkey meat. Turkey's high level of trytophan is the reason why most people feel sleepy after Thanksgiving/Christmas dinners--the high concentration of trytophan converts to serotonin in the bloodstream. Because of serotonin's relationship to the regulation of sleep, fatigue is induced.

This regimen is merely a guideline that has been found to work for many. It should also be noted that changing the ratios of elements can provide different effects. For instance, excessive 5-HTP can mellow out a roll. Not make it mashy, but reduce the speediness of the pill.

Health
120mg of MDMA (about 1-2 caps) is generally all that is needed to completely deplete all your serotonin. Taking more will not increase the feelings, nor prolong them. Although the above supplements help, the best way to restore your serotonin (fill up the tank) is abstinence. Your brain typically takes about two weeks to recover from Ecstacy. And finally, do not combine E with monoamine oxidase inhibitor drugs. Monoamine oxidase is the enzyme that helps to eventually slow down the effects of MDMA, without it, your body is a speeding car without any breaks--it has no way of controlling itself. And remember to have fun, be safe, and drink lots of water.

[thelastgreatman]

This regimen is merely a guideline that has been found to work for many. It should also be noted that changing the ratios of elements can provide different effects. For instance, excessive 5-HTP can mellow out a roll. Not make it mashy, but reduce the speediness of the pill.

Health
120mg of MDMA (about 1-2 caps) is generally all that is needed to completely deplete all your serotonin. Taking more will not increase the feelings, nor prolong them. Although the above supplements help, the best way to restore your serotonin (fill up the tank) is abstinence. Your brain typically takes about two weeks to recover from Ecstacy.

Yeah, I can't speak to definites about a lot of this as I've never tried this method, although just on instinct I think Vitamin C would have no effect on your roll and I'm not inclined to buy that taking 5-htp beforehand is a good idea at all. Maybe it would keep the roll smoother, but there seems to be a condition to what I see on erowid that you have to have take the 5-htp at least several hours prior for it to not have a dampening effect on the roll. Fuck that possibility in general. I want it to boost my serotonin after I've depleted it, I'm not taking any chances with the shit fucking up my pills. Also, I dislike that this description warns that it might cut down on the "speediness" of the roll. True MDMA is not speedy.

The second paragraph is just absolutely completely wrong. 120 mg is far from the most your system can respond to. To the extent that there is a pleateau--and personally, I'm not 100 percent sure because the times that I went into really absurd quantities in one night I had really fucking absurd rolls. Timing is definitely a factor though.

And the cycle for recovering from MDMA is one week, not two.

[faxman75]

This is what I ordered.

Item Name: 1.2 grams Salvia Divinorum 15X and 15 grams Mazatec Salvia Divinorum Leaves

[Bud Luster]

I'm not inclined to buy that taking 5-htp beforehand is a good idea at all. Maybe it would keep the roll smoother, but there seems to be a condition to what I see on erowid that you have to have take the 5-htp at least several hours prior for it to not have a dampening effect on the roll. Fuck that possibility in general. I want it to boost my serotonin after I've depleted it, I'm not taking any chances with the shit fucking up my pills. Also, I dislike that this description warns that it might cut down on the "speediness" of the roll. True MDMA is not speedy.

The second paragraph is just absolutely completely wrong. 120 mg is far from the most your system can respond to. To the extent that there is a pleateau--and personally, I'm not 100 percent sure because the times that I went into really absurd quantities in one night I had really fucking absurd rolls. Timing is definitely a factor though.


Yeah, I dont think Im going to do any "preload" type of stuff. I dont wanna fuck with the roll potential. I also dont think its really possible to "fuel up the tank" before hand at all. True MDMA is NOT speedy. I know that 120 mg is not the most your system can respond to. I have taken for more and rolled for a longer period of time. Maybe you can elborate on / discuss how timing is a factor?

[thelastgreatman]

120 mg is so far from the most your system can respond to, that just pisses me off. 120 mg is just one pretty fucking good pill. Those people are retarded.

Timing is a factor for obvious reasons. Your serotonin is getting elevated to unnatural levels, depletion following. The reason E won't work remotely as well 24 hours later holds true to a less extent for why it won't work nearly as well 6 hours after the first drop. Once you've peaked, taking more is creating a much less desirable extension of the roll. Granted, there've been nights where we decided to just keep going for 16 hours straight, but it required an obscene amount of pills in the fifth or sixth rounds of reloading, created enormously more bodyload and negative after effects, and it just doesn't feel nearly as good after the first peak.

If you're going to dose hard, I recommend having consumed all the pills you're trying to within 4 hours of the very first ingestion AT ABSOLUTE MAX. My usual staggering for a standard 6 pill session is 2 every 45 minutes, since the peak from the first two will still be in effect while the last two are beginning to take hold.

[sbessiso]

i wanna do crystal meth with stephanie tanner (you know she was addicted)

[gratytrainridesagain]

i wanna do crystal meth with stephanie tanner (you know she was addicted)

I already posted this a couple pages back same exact thing

Anyway back on track I kinda wanna freebase with Stephanie Tanner and then watch elf

[sbessiso]

sorry! I was too lazy to read all the pages

it's worth repeating though, n'est pas?

[gratytrainridesagain]

Yeah it would be hella fun

[sbessiso]

Full House really does rule all

[bartelby]

120 mg is so far from the most your system can respond to, that just pisses me off. 120 mg is just one pretty fucking good pill. Those people are retarded.

Timing is a factor for obvious reasons. Your serotonin is getting elevated to unnatural levels, depletion following. The reason E won't work remotely as well 24 hours later holds true to a less extent for why it won't work nearly as well 6 hours after the first drop. Once you've peaked, taking more is creating a much less desirable extension of the roll. Granted, there've been nights where we decided to just keep going for 16 hours straight, but it required an obscene amount of pills in the fifth or sixth rounds of reloading, created enormously more bodyload and negative after effects, and it just doesn't feel nearly as good after the first peak.

If you're going to dose hard, I recommend having consumed all the pills you're trying to within 4 hours of the very first ingestion AT ABSOLUTE MAX. My usual staggering for a standard 6 pill session is 2 every 45 minutes, since the peak from the first two will still be in effect while the last two are beginning to take hold.

now that's some worthwhile advice....

fuck I love Coachella.....i'm budgeting 20 pills this year :-)

[amyzzz]

I had 4 pills one night, and I really didn't need to take the last 2.

[bartelby]

most i did last year was 5 pills on the first night - needless to say Bjork made me cream my pants

[amyzzz]

I had the 4 pills at home, not coach.

I think I've only done 1 or 2 pills at coach.
2 for oakenfold/madonna/massive attack/dungen/art brut and 1 pill after 2ci for infected mushroom.

[thelastgreatman]

most i did last year was 5 pills on the first night - needless to say Bjork made me cream my pants

Yes. I also teared like a little bitch. But I had soulgasms.

[bartelby]

good god she was good.....i went to see her again in Toronto at the V-fest and cried like a baby (only 3 pills that night)

[bartelby]

Man, I hope I can grab some good acid this year....

If not available, mushrooms are just going to have to fill the void...

[amyzzz]

yeah, I pretty much have to see her anytime she tours now. Last year was my first time seeing her live and solo. I saw her once with the Sugar Cubes.

[thelastgreatman]

What's ridiculous is that Portishead is going to be better than that was.


Fuck. Me.

[Bud Luster]

What's ridiculous is that Portishead is going to be better than that was.


Fuck. Me.

Holy good lord I agree. Im not really into Bjork, but I enjoyed her both times i saw her live. I think portishead is going to turn me out like Bjork had done to you all.

[amyzzz]

I plan to be well fucked-up during Portishead this time. They fucked me over good enough when I was sober, but I'm going to take it up a notch.

[bartelby]

What's ridiculous is that Portishead is going to be better than that was.


Fuck. Me.

i agree...

tee hee :)

[greghead]

Hoping to for the first time this year--only had synthetic before, as mentioned a couple times previously.

WHERE THE FUCK IS A NEW MEXICO INJUN WHEN YOU NEED ONE, EH?

I'm going to Phoenix next week, and if my native friend comes through like he promised me -----------------> = )

[comedeysal]

im sooo down for the 6 pill session! yes!

it's really tempting to roll all 3 days but possibly 1st and 3rd day are the best bets. munchin on some shrooms saturday...

sheesh i just don't know though! i guess i'll do what ever my fellow campers are doing, im sure i can keep up! (not sure about the 'cid though, only done it once -- but i had a lot of stuff going on at the time, @ coachella my worries are hundreds of miles away)

who knows!

[peterluber]

Interesting thread. To the person considering trying acid for the first time with 4 friends, as long as they are solid, close, independent friends, do it. My first time was up there with the best nights of my life. Myself and my 3 closest friends all dosed the same amount at the same time and had one hell of an adventure. It also contributed to my realizing that one of them was a douche.

E at Coachella sounds excellent, but only on Sunday. I plan on ingesting heroic amounts of pure molly on Sunday for all of the EDM + Waters, then sleeping all day on Monday.

Salvia, hmmm. I first smoked sally d when I was 14, and had no experience with drugs other than weed, nitrous, alcohol, amphetamines, and opiates, no psychedelics really. I used to LOVE it. I went through a gram of 40x extract with a few friends and didn't try again for ~ 9 months. Then I bought another gram mostly for myself, and smoked it 1-2 times most days until I ran out. Very fun times, but left me kind of spacey. I've smoked it twice since becoming an experienced psychonaut, the first of which was a really annoyingly bad experience, and the second was fairly neutral, but slightly negative. I may mention I have an unreasonably high tolerance to the stuff, it takes at least 3 l a r g e bowls of a high extract to really take me anywhere.

I will say, from my personal experience, that the body load of a mushroom or 4-AcO-DMT trip is much stronger compared to an equivalent (mentally) dose of LSD or 2C-B. I have tripped on large (large) amounts of mushrooms in the hot sun, and small amounts, and I can say it is generally unpleasant for me. If I decide to eat any psychedelics at Coachella, it will definitely be right around sunset.

P.S.

Acid, good ecstasy (large amounts), mescaline, 2-cb, 2-ci, 2-cd, more acid, acid and ecstasy together being the ultimate.

Pleeeease don't assert yourself as King of Drugs in the Coachella forums if you don't even know what you're talking about :-/. They are 2C compounds, not 2-C compounds. 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-D, 2C-t-7, 2C-t-21, etc., etc. I'm not saying I have any sort of status on this board, but as a human being, I have to call you out on that one, hotshot.

[CoacHELLYEAH]

An excellent movie to watch on Acid or shrooms is Disney's Fantasia. It has a sense of wonder in it and also an innocence that is all the more poignant on the psychedelics. Also, it is hilarious and extremely sexy.

All of these things make for a mind blowing trip.

[CoacHELLYEAH]

Also, I can get some mellow acid for around 10$ (which I know isn't a feat) but I can get it anytime anywhere. just fyi

[thelastgreatman]

Interesting thread. To the person considering trying acid for the first time with 4 friends, as long as they are solid, close, independent friends, do it. My first time was up there with the best nights of my life. Myself and my 3 closest friends all dosed the same amount at the same time and had one hell of an adventure. It also contributed to my realizing that one of them was a douche.

E at Coachella sounds excellent, but only on Sunday. I plan on ingesting heroic amounts of pure molly on Sunday for all of the EDM + Waters, then sleeping all day on Monday.

Salvia, hmmm. I first smoked sally d when I was 14, and had no experience with drugs other than weed, nitrous, alcohol, amphetamines, and opiates, no psychedelics really. I used to LOVE it. I went through a gram of 40x extract with a few friends and didn't try again for ~ 9 months. Then I bought another gram mostly for myself, and smoked it 1-2 times most days until I ran out. Very fun times, but left me kind of spacey. I've smoked it twice since becoming an experienced psychonaut, the first of which was a really annoyingly bad experience, and the second was fairly neutral, but slightly negative. I may mention I have an unreasonably high tolerance to the stuff, it takes at least 3 l a r g e bowls of a high extract to really take me anywhere.

I will say, from my personal experience, that the body load of a mushroom or 4-AcO-DMT trip is much stronger compared to an equivalent (mentally) dose of LSD or 2C-B. I have tripped on large (large) amounts of mushrooms in the hot sun, and small amounts, and I can say it is generally unpleasant for me. If I decide to eat any psychedelics at Coachella, it will definitely be right around sunset.

P.S.



Pleeeease don't assert yourself as King of Drugs in the Coachella forums if you don't even know what you're talking about :-/. They are 2C compounds, not 2-C compounds. 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-I, 2C-D, 2C-t-7, 2C-t-21, etc., etc. I'm not saying I have any sort of status on this board, but as a human being, I have to call you out on that one, hotshot.

You win on that, and good point. Also, I was ordering grams of that shit back in 2001--I misplaced a hyphen. That in no way upsets my lordship.

Also, no shit 4-acetoxy-dmt has a body load. DMT is goddamn brutal, and all of the analogs equally so. The 5-methoxy variant was a son of a whore.

Hyphen does not alter much. Still, props for catching me slipping. ::nod::

[thelastgreatman]

In my defense--they are they only fucking family where the numeral is not immediately followed by a hyphen before the letter. So, meh.

[peterluber]

Good response. You've got my respect.

[thelastgreatman]

Good response. You've got my respect.

Right back at yeah. Although that still hasn't proven your true ranking in the pantheon of fiends for altered states around here quite yet, but it's a great start.

I'll be monitoring your progress, we'll see if you get a dukeship.

[sbessiso]

An excellent movie to watch on Acid or shrooms is Disney's Fantasia. It has a sense of wonder in it and also an innocence that is all the more poignant on the psychedelics. Also, it is hilarious and extremely sexy.

All of these things make for a mind blowing trip.

good one, but seriously, anything with special effects is terrific on acid, one of the best trips i had is when i wentto see charlie and the chocolate factory on the IMAX, holy shit, that was fucking intense

other films i went to see on acid
herbie: fully loaded
the shaggy dog
harry potter and the order of the phoenix
300
spiderman 3

edit: watch the speed racer trailers, total shit, but damn its gonna be amazing on acid

im so sure im forgetting a handful

[JClemy]

I love watching the people totally eff'd up at the Sahara. Looking around at everyone like it's the first time they've seen people.

I think any movie is pretty ok when on a hallucinogen. I watched some terrible parody movie called "I still know what you did last friday the 13th" or some such nonesense on shrooms. I don't think any of the movie was funny but I enjoyed it.

[greghead]

My last time in Amsterdam my buddy and I were all fucked up on some potenet Hawaiian shrooms and we watched Sesame Street. It took us 10 minutes to realize they were speaking Dutch.

[thelastgreatman]

It took me a while to realize 9/11 was really happening when they made us turn on the TV after four days of eating nothing but fungus. It was really fucking cool.

[sbessiso]

uh-oh he's making 9/11 jokes now

[thelastgreatman]

Not a joke. True story.

[greghead]

By the way, Randy, I indulged in another mescaline trip out in Joshua Tree. Fucking amazing body high. Rapid thoughts, tight jaw, universal harmony pulsing in each individual cell. It was nice. Visuals were rather subdued this time, but the body trip was out of this world

[sbessiso]

fingers crossed that I find some mescalito at coach

[thelastgreatman]

Method of ingestion? Extraction pan out, gimme the run down.

Also, next time test out Portishead please.

[peterluber]

do a san pedro extraction. I have a few in pots but havent utilized any yet

[thelastgreatman]

Can't anyone get actual peyote buttons, goddammit? We've got a fucking consortium of mescaline seekers/preparers/obtainers going at the moment. Synthetic's great, San Pedro gets the job done, but can anybody get some true DON JUAN SHIT UP IN THIS PIECE?

[peterluber]

Anyone here part of a tribe?

[greghead]

Method of ingestion? Extraction pan out, gimme the run down.

Also, next time test out Portishead please.

I'm actually listening to Roseland right now, that's what reminded me. While I was tripping Roads happened to come up on shuffle; it was grand. This time I tried to the long, slow boil as extraction method. I cut about 8-10" of cactus, cut it up until it looked like cucumber, tossed in a blender with equal parts water. Well, as equal as I could figure, I am certainly not a chemist or a scientist. Loosely following two separate recipes I found on Erowid, I slow boiled for about 5 hours, adding small amounts of water as I went, probably a total of 20 oz. I strained the plant matter using an undershirt, and wound up with about < 10 oz. of green liquid. I put the shit in a screw-tight bottle and drove to Joshua Tree.

I ingested over the course of 20 minutes to let my body adjust, and then smoked a joint probably 10 minutes after that. After about 30 mins. I felt really stoned. It came on in surges, taking about 2 hours to just reach the peaking stage. Once I was peaking, I was a happy wreck. I felt way compassionate towards everybody I talked to, and when I was alone, I merely wanted to sit and the feel the wind blow. Which I did for about 35 minutes, without moving or making a sound. I was in an odd meditative trance where I felt absolutely aware and in total control of every single muscle and nerve in my body. Visuals were mild and took a bit of concentration to make things move or melt. But body high was intense. About four hours after ingestion, I hopped in my truck and drove home. Driving through Joshua Tree during sunset while tripping on mescaline is my new favorite drug memory. Very hard to describe the trip, but it was fantastic.

[STALINZZZ]

I have a minor in Chemistry and I am in no way qualified to argue about drugs. All it took to get a minor in chem was:

Chem 1 and 2
Ochem 1 and 2
Biochem 1 and 2

The only thing that these classes would qualify me for is UNDERSTANDING the chemical makeup of drugs and how they interact with the body in non-lamens terms, both of which I do not currently know.

[thelastgreatman]

I have a minor in Chemistry and I am in no way qualified to argue about drugs. All it took to get a minor in chem was:

Chem 1 and 2
Ochem 1 and 2
Biochem 1 and 2

The only thing that these classes would qualify me for is UNDERSTANDING the chemical makeup of drugs and how they interact with the body in non-lamens terms, both of which I do not currently know.

Yuppers. Thanks Stalin. But the kid apparently has also probably done a few of these drugs invented by the guy whose name he can't spell too, so I'm sure he'll be in here eventually to try and back up his shit--or at least say, "Oh, well you could wikipedia that."

He's about to start school to be a pharmacist though! And that is impressive. You need... actually not that much school whatsoever to be a pharmacist. It's not impressive.

[thelastgreatman]

Greg--nausea? How much of a bitch is that liquid going to be to chug? Eh, I guess I'll start re-researching San Pedro extraction methods and see what we can come up with. Why doesn't anyone live in New Mexico?

Also, let's take a poll since we got another two or three experienced folk--what's the best option to flip with mescaline? Acid is ruled out because that's going on Sunday, and mescaline is too big of a get to throw in with the easy winner of the weekend.

[greghead]

Nausea was not a problem. What made me most nauseous the first time was having to choke down all that plant matter. The liquid tastes like absolute shit. It tastes like extremely bitter wheat grass. It's fucking awful, I had a gatorade handy to help get the taste out of my mouth. But having it in liquid form seemed to attenuate some of the nausea.

I'm hoping my buddy can get me the peyote cactus, but I haven't been able to get a hold of him all week. His grandfather is one of the tribal elders and has easy access to it. He said it was a sure thing, but now I'm having my doubts.

I'm wondering the same thing about the drug multiplicity. Acid is being consumed in large quantities for Waters. Rolls were for Friday. Acid would be a nice cherry for the mescaline, but that eliminates the possibility of dosing for Waters. But it should most definitely be flipped with something. As boring as they are, shrooms would be a nice complement. I'm not sure the safety of ingesting the two; I'll check up on that. But at this moment now, I have to give my vote to MDMA or similar 3,4 substances.

[thelastgreatman]

I'm hoping to get a unique flip every night lined up. Thinking LOTS of acid and a little either 2c-b (or 2c-d if it somehow became available, that shit rules) for Sunday, mescaline definitely Saturday which likely would flip best either with some pure MDMA that should be available OR if I can get ahold of some dust, we'll call that a flip. Then that would leave Friday as an MDMA + whatever the fuck the sixth one will be if I can get ahold of one.

[greghead]

that's a lot of shit to get a hold of. Acid is easy. Mescaline, in form or another, is a sure thing. I don't know anyone for pure MDMA, or even good rolls. That's the one I am going to have to work on. If anyone knows anyone with a good price on pills, let me know. And the research chems, I don't even know where to begin. In high school my buddy used to buy 60 g baggies of DXM off the internet, but that was as far as I got into research chemicals.

[HauntedTraveller]

Right back at yeah. Although that still hasn't proven your true ranking in the pantheon of fiends for altered states around here quite yet, but it's a great start.

I'll be monitoring your progress, we'll see if you get a dukeship.

What ever happened to peace love and understanding? Lets be gone with this hierarchy, power to the people...

[greghead]

I'm sorry, but who are you?

[HauntedTraveller]

A friend of a friend I guess you could say

[HauntedTraveller]

but hey ill take a hike if im not welcome lol

[thelastgreatman]

This isn't Nam--there are rules.

[greghead]

No, it's cool, man, I was playing around with you. By all means, hang out and talk about drugs with us. Power to the people

[HauntedTraveller]

My fav thing to talk about lol... thats kinda sad tho :(

[peterluber]

that's a lot of shit to get a hold of. Acid is easy. Mescaline, in form or another, is a sure thing. I don't know anyone for pure MDMA, or even good rolls. That's the one I am going to have to work on. If anyone knows anyone with a good price on pills, let me know. And the research chems, I don't even know where to begin. In high school my buddy used to buy 60 g baggies of DXM off the internet, but that was as far as I got into research chemicals.
Rolls are incredibly easy for me to get a hold of, and if I have the money to order, I can get any 2C, pure molly, PRO-LAD, pure ketamine hcl. Acid is a lot more inconsistent for me, and I have never heard of anybody having synth mesc around here.

Some of you guys are going for a pretty strungout weekend. My general plan is blunts all weekend, coke (what can I say, I get lots of it for free) all weekend, some blotter right before sunset on Saturday, and lots and lots of molly on sunday. I think Sunday has the best lineup for rolling (if only for SMD) and wouldn't really want to do it on a night where I planned on doing anything the next day. Acid would be really cool for waters, but I have listened to that album many times on acid and, especially with the whole stage show, I think I will enjoy it fine without acid.

[greghead]

I just made a fresh pot of bhang and I have Portishead on continual shuffle; it's going to be a long, lazy night.

[HauntedTraveller]

Where can I get some of this DOB stuff? im very intrigued

[greghead]

Rolls are incredibly easy for me to get a hold of, and if I have the money to order, I can get any 2C, pure molly, PRO-LAD, pure ketamine hcl. Acid is a lot more inconsistent for me, and I have never heard of anybody having synth mesc around here.

Hmmm. You can count on me being in touch at some point.

And nobody said anything about synthetic. My experiments with San Pedro have been wonderful successes. My plant is in great shape, and I am yet to cut into the healthy, central columns, each about 3' in height.

[peterluber]

I can get any DOx from RC sources for very cheap. DOB is often found laid on blotter, as it is one of the few psychedelics active in such low doses. The fabled drug STP (Serenity Tranquility Peace) from the 60's was a DOx (sorry, can't remember exactly which one, don't feel like looking it up) synthesized by Shulgin.

[peterluber]

Hmm, greghead, would you recommend I extract the mesc out of my cacti for Saturday of Coach?

[HauntedTraveller]

i guess it would be kinda sketchy to ask you for some >.> but lets say HYPOTHETICALLY i did ask you

[thelastgreatman]

STP=DOM. Also, you just lost points for liking coke. Worst of all drugs. I'd rather candyflip for 24 hours straight than do a coke night when it comes to hangovers.

However, if you get a lot for free, I might want to trade some acid for a few grams to cook up. =)

Now, gentlemen, I must retire from the board for the evening. Please carry on without me in good spirits.

[greghead]

Hmm, greghead, would you recommend I extract the mesc out of my cacti for Saturday of Coach?

Yes. As long as you have the ability and resources to properly do so. However you choose to extract the mescaline, don't half-ass it and assume you will get the same experience. Plus, there are a host of factors which affect the potency of San Pedro cactus including minerals in the soil, sunlight, even how much water it is getting. You will need a 12" cut of cactus to get a mildly hard trip. And even then, depending on the cactus, your trip could end up being weak. I just happened to luck out with a tall, fat cactus from an old guy who's been growing and selling cacti for 40 years.

But I would definitely recommend it, I mean, why not? The shit is guaranteed to get you at least a little fucked up, and could get you way fucked up; you have absolutely nothing to lose.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

fuuuuuuuuck dxm.

[peterluber]

:-/ to each their own. Certainly fuck taking DXM in the form of cough remedies, but it is a fun chemical in it's own way. And lastgreatman, I haven't done much coke, but get it for free a lot and usually trade or sell it for psychedelics. I hate what it does to people long-term, and I would never pay for it, it's far too expensive for its worth, but it really isn't bad in terms of a short term stimulant. I mean, I would consider it better than racking speed. Definitely not my scene at all, though.

[greghead]

fuuuuuuuuck dxm.

Straight up.

That shit is so awful. I wish I had a witty phrase to accompany it, but there's none. DXM is just terrible. Of course I've done tons of the powder, but still. Awful shit.

[peterluber]

Goodnight. Have a bhangin' evening greghead.

[thelastgreatman]

DXM helped me realize I'm a god.

[greghead]

DXM helped me realize I'm a god.

DMX (and his music) helped me realize there is no god

[FromTheColonyOfBirchmen]

Hoping to for the first time this year--only had synthetic before, as mentioned a couple times previously.

WHERE THE FUCK IS A NEW MEXICO INJUN WHEN YOU NEED ONE, EH?

I know what you mean about the injun. You ever hear any warnings like don't smoke or eat it if it has keif like crystals on it? Because someone said that it might be arsenic? Or dangerous?
I just can't figure how that cactus can grow arsenic?

[frozen pilgrim]

What ever happened to peace love and understanding? Lets be gone with this hierarchy, power to the people...

dude- feudal system ftw. long live the king

where am I in your book, randy?

[greghead]

Does anyone have a line on some opium?

[thelastgreatman]

Randy or Peter, if I'm looking for a total visual mindfuck with a low body load, which would you recommend?

What are our limitations? 2C-E is unbelievably visual, never done it myself so I can't comment on body load. 2C-C felt like about ten hits of acid visually, but it wasn't something I wanted to repeat much.

[greghead]

Well, I've been looking around on-line and I found a lab that sells a wide range of 2C, 5 MeO, and tryptamine compounds. I am looking for good visuals, but have never fucked around with research compounds, so I was hoping you could give me a heads-up

[thelastgreatman]

List em and I'll tell you which are most likely. Or hit erowid. Erowid has all the answers.

[greghead]

Yeah, I've been looking on Erowid, but not all chems are listed with effects and dosage. But so far, this site has:

5-MeO-AMT / 5-methoxy-α-methyltryptamine, CAS 1137-04-8
5-MeO-DiPT / 5-methoxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine / 5-methoxy-diisopropyltryptamine, CAS 4021-34-5
5-MeO-DMT / 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine, CAS 1019-45-0
2C-B-FLY / 8-bromo-2,3,6,7-benzo-dihydro-difuran-ethylamine, CAS 178557-21-6
2C-T-4 / 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(i)-propylthiophenethylamine, CAS 207740-25-8
2C-E / 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethyl-phenethylamine, CAS 71539-34-9
2C-D / 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methyl-phenethylamine, CAS 24333-19-5
2C-T-8 / 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclopropylmethylthiophenethylamine, CAS 207740-27-0
2C-H / 2,5-dimethoxy-phenethylamine, CAS 3600-86-0
Organic Intermediates (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Benzaldehydes (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Nitrostyrenes (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Phenylnitropropenes (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Various Research Chemicals (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Phenethylamines
Tryptamines

[amyzzz]

hey greghead, sent you a PM.

[sbessiso]

Yeah, I've been looking on Erowid, but not all chems are listed with effects and dosage. But so far, this site has:

5-MeO-AMT / 5-methoxy-α-methyltryptamine, CAS 1137-04-8
5-MeO-DiPT / 5-methoxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine / 5-methoxy-diisopropyltryptamine, CAS 4021-34-5
5-MeO-DMT / 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine, CAS 1019-45-0
2C-B-FLY / 8-bromo-2,3,6,7-benzo-dihydro-difuran-ethylamine, CAS 178557-21-6
2C-T-4 / 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(i)-propylthiophenethylamine, CAS 207740-25-8
2C-E / 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-ethyl-phenethylamine, CAS 71539-34-9
2C-D / 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methyl-phenethylamine, CAS 24333-19-5
2C-T-8 / 2,5-dimethoxy-4-cyclopropylmethylthiophenethylamine, CAS 207740-27-0
2C-H / 2,5-dimethoxy-phenethylamine, CAS 3600-86-0
Organic Intermediates (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Benzaldehydes (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Nitrostyrenes (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Phenylnitropropenes (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Various Research Chemicals (Custom synthesis; not in stock)
Phenethylamines
Tryptamines

i wish i was smart and understood this

[amyzzz]

I've heard 2c-e is like acid with visuals and a headtrip. I haven't tried any of those, only 2c-i and (possibly) 2c-b.

[sbessiso]

i've done acid/mushrooms

[greghead]

I've heard 2c-e is like acid with visuals and a headtrip. I haven't tried any of those, only 2c-i and (possibly) 2c-b.

What was your experience with those chems like?

[Trick Loves The Kids]

is doing acid and mushrooms at the same time a good idea

2 hits + 1/8 i was thinking. i want to launch into space.

[sbessiso]

you know trick, i was wondering the same thing myself

[greghead]

is doing acid and mushrooms at the same time a good idea

2 hits + 1/8 i was thinking. i want to launch into space.

You know, I've never done that, but I imagine you will be completely out of your mind and loving it.

[sbessiso]

raconteursssssss

[thelastgreatman]

Acid and mushrooms are not as good as acid and ecstasy.

Greg, what are you really looking for? You say heavy visuals, but heavy visuals aren't always that entertaining. Also, look them up on erowid.com. Don't bother with 5-meo-amt or 5-meo-dmt, they're arduous. 2c-d is fantastic but not visual, very much like MDMA as opposed to acid. 2c-b is a lot like some elements of mdma and visual elements of mushrooms or acid. 5-meo-dipt is interesting if you freebase it but it's not visual or headtrippy. 2c-e is almost entirely visual with some headtrip, but I believe it falls short of the more interesting aspects of acid's elements in those regards. The others I never looked into.

Erowid has the answers, friend.

[greghead]

Ok, so I am officially looking for 2c-e and quality opium.

I am willing to trade mescaline or cash for your product.

If anybody has a good lead on either of these, please message me. ESPECIALLY THE OPIUM!!!!!! Call your Chinese friends and see if their presumably silken-robe-clad grandparents have any connections to the seedy world of opium trafficking.

[thelastgreatman]

Just get some oxycontin. Balls to opium.

[greghead]

I dig visuals when combined with nighttime and music. Plus my body high will be outrageous from the mescaline, so I'm just hoping to push the visuals over the top. I prefer visuals over body and head highs.

[sbessiso]

i dont have any of this 2c-e, but I WOULD like to purchase some mescaline, never tried it, coach would be perfect

[thelastgreatman]

On 2C-E, from PiKHAL:

DOSAGE: 10 - 25 mg.

DURATION: 8 - 12 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 16 mg) There was a strange devil-angel pairing. As I was being told of the ecstatic white-light ascent of my partner into the God-space of an out-of-body experience, I was fighting my way out of a brown ooze. She saw the young Jesus at the bottom of a ladder drifting upwards step by step to some taking-off place, and I saw all the funny gargoyles around the base of the ladder surrounded by picnic bunting. For me it was the 4th of July, rather than Easter!S

(with 20 mg) The view out of the window was unreal. The garden was painted on the window, and every petal of flower and tuft of grass and leaf of tree was carefully sculptured in fine strokes of oil paint on the surface of the glass. It was not out there; it was right here in front of me. The woman who was watering the plants was completely frozen, immobilized by Vermeer. And when I looked again, she was in a different place, but again frozen. I was destined to become the eternal museum viewer.

(with 25 mg) I have a picture in my living room that is a stylized German scene with a man on horseback riding through the woods, and a young girl coming out to meet him from the nearby trees. But she was not just 'coming out.' He was not just riding through the woods. The wind was blowing, and his horse was at full gallop, and his cape was flapping in the storm, and she was bearing down upon him at full bore. The action never ceased. I became exhausted.

(with 25 mg) Within minutes I was anxious and sweaty. Each person has his own brand of toxic psychosis--mine always starts with the voices in my head talking to me, about all my worst fears, a jumble of warnings and deep fears spinning faster. Twenty minutes later this complex chaos passed as quickly as it had come. At lower dosages 2C-E has been a truly enjoyable esthetic enhancer. But it really has a steep dose/response curve.

[greghead]

Just get some oxycontin. Balls to opium.

Nah man, good opium puts that shit to bed. If you're bootin' methadone or OC 80s, then yeah, that shit is much more hardcore.

[thelastgreatman]

Opium is an accessory, like weed. Booting is for dorks, but unless you have a shitload of opium and you're making tea out of it, it's basically just to get slightly mellow and/or combat body load.

[greghead]

For me, good opium is to be smoked, giving me an hour or so of dopey goodness. With opiates, I like being able to come and go, if you will. Eating large quantities of pain killers makes me feel fantastic, but I'm also out of it for several hours. Opium lets me smoke as much or as little to get as high as I please at any given moment

[JustSteve]

Ok, so I am officially looking for 2c-e and quality opium.

I am willing to trade mescaline or cash for your product.

If anybody has a good lead on either of these, please message me. ESPECIALLY THE OPIUM!!!!!! Call your Chinese friends and see if their presumably silken-robe-clad grandparents have any connections to the seedy world of opium trafficking.

hi, "greghead"...
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[greghead]

LOL! Not quite. Nice try, though

[BROKENDOLL]

Ok, so I am officially looking for 2c-e and quality opium.

I am willing to trade mescaline or cash for your product.

If anybody has a good lead on either of these, please message me. ESPECIALLY THE OPIUM!!!!!! Call your Chinese friends and see if their presumably silken-robe-clad grandparents have any connections to the seedy world of opium trafficking. Christ,this internet shit amazes the shit out of me! Online Dope deals...Who woulda thought?

[greghead]

There are idiots that actually advertise drugs on craigslist. My buddy bought some kush after seeing an ad in CL in Hollywood. Fucking retarded, but people do it.

I doubt anyone on here will be able to help me out too much, but it's worth the try.

[cloud9]

wel lthinked it is hpossible to helped eachother hout here it seem there is anough fdrug lord in this bord now think if we meeted up befoer the festival then probalby have anouhg drug to killed a hwhole american countrie the last great men woill probal not even ba able to find where we is mgoin to meet up because he will already be on so many drug haha hey but let thikn about this and meeted up it seem eahc person have there own waquality to them :cat

[Trick Loves The Kids]

You know, I've never done that, but I imagine you will be completely out of your mind and loving it.

I hope so. I'm going to turn in my last final on Thursday and then catapult myself into space with one of my good friends. I will report back!

[malcolmjamalawesome]

Too lazy to search ... has anybody posted GOOD piss test clearance times on here?

[amyzzz]

What was your experience with those chems like?
I've posted about this before, so I didn't want to mention it again above.

With 2c-i, I never had much of a headtrip. The visuals involved everything covered in iridescent colors like pale green, peach, pink, and blue, and objects would appear to be in motion--plants appear to be fluttering in the breeze when there is no wind. If I was watching a movie, faces might appear more distorted or swirly. The drug gave me a good body buzz and euphoria, although sometimes I would feel hot and then cold. The most awesome thing about 2c-i is when you get to the point where you just want to sit (or stand) still and focus on the music you're listening to. I remember lying on my couch listening to Lamb's Fear of Fours album and completely reliving their amazing Coachella '99 performance. At last year's Coachella, I was peaking on 2c-i while I was watching Ratatat which sounded and looked amazing from the back of the tent. The bad side effect is some digestive issues--I would always take 1 immodium to help with that. Excellent concert drug.

I only tried 2c-b once (which was sold as ecstasy, so we're not sure what it was but the reactions seemed more like 2c-b). The dose I had seemed pretty strong for me--it started out with crazy moving lights and visuals which were almost too much for me to handle, but when the effect wore off a bit, it seemed a bit more like mdma, I felt all mushy and happy. I can't remember the drug making music sound better which is most of the reason why I take psychedelics, but it was fun for one night.

[peterluber]

Ok, a few things. 1 is make sure you research your vendors before you buy RC's unless they are in private forums. There are a number of public vendors online who will take your money, never send you anything, and never respond to your e-mails. There are virtually no legitimate public online vendors currently.

Acid + shrooms = incredible, if you're a fan of both. I dropped two hits and then macked ~ 1/2 1/8th of cube caps about an hour later. It was fun :D.

So, today, my friend and I cut up a 12" peruvian torch and a 24" san pedro. We have them all sliced up, and early tomorrow morning we are going to dice them and blend them. If anybody on here has experience with cactus preparation, feel free to send some info my way. I have researched different methods and have formulated a plan. ... :

Slice the cacti into "stars." Dice them and put them in the blender. Boil the mix for 2-4 hours with an equal amount of water and a few lemons squeezed in. Strain remaining through cloth, and enjoy.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

Ok, a few things. 1 is make sure you research your vendors before you buy RC's unless they are in private forums. There are a number of public vendors online who will take your money, never send you anything, and never respond to your e-mails. There are virtually no legitimate public online vendors currently.

Acid + shrooms = incredible, if you're a fan of both. I dropped two hits and then macked ~ 1/2 1/8th of cube caps about an hour later. It was fun :D.

So, today, my friend and I cut up a 12" peruvian torch and a 24" san pedro. We have them all sliced up, and early tomorrow morning we are going to dice them and blend them. If anybody on here has experience with cactus preparation, feel free to send some info my way. I have researched different methods and have formulated a plan. ... :

Slice the cacti into "stars." Dice them and put them in the blender. Boil the mix for 2-4 hours with an equal amount of water and a few lemons squeezed in. Strain remaining through cloth, and enjoy.

I have a mescaline cactus in my backyard, I've been meaning to find this shit out.

[amyzzz]

Ok, a few things. 1 is make sure you research your vendors before you buy RC's unless they are in private forums. There are a number of public vendors online who will take your money, never send you anything, and never respond to your e-mails. There are virtually no legitimate public online vendors currently.

Acid + shrooms = incredible, if you're a fan of both. I dropped two hits and then macked ~ 1/2 1/8th of cube caps about an hour later. It was fun :D.

So, today, my friend and I cut up a 12" peruvian torch and a 24" san pedro. We have them all sliced up, and early tomorrow morning we are going to dice them and blend them. If anybody on here has experience with cactus preparation, feel free to send some info my way. I have researched different methods and have formulated a plan. ... :

Slice the cacti into "stars." Dice them and put them in the blender. Boil the mix for 2-4 hours with an equal amount of water and a few lemons squeezed in. Strain remaining through cloth, and enjoy.
Be prepared for a really foul drink. Try to have another strong juice on hand with which to alternate drinking the cactus tea, like cranberry juice or even lemon juice. It is really, really foul. Fun, dreamy trip. My husband may try an alcohol extraction in the next couple weeks so that we can end up with a powder we can put in capsules and avoid drinking it (ugh).

[signmeup]

randy, you are the oprah of the drug world.

[brando4n82]

i need xannex

[thelastgreatman]

Why are there so many misspellings of Xanax?

[CalmerThanYou]

Completely random, and Randy i'm sure you will cap somehow...but last year, after seeking out perhaps 50 people for rolls, and having my head in my hands in absolute defeat...

I look up to see these 8 girls (18 - 19 y/o) in pink wigs, and i figure they HAVE to be rolling. My last attempt, and whammy. I needed five, they had five. Me and my sub-group REALLY enjoyed LCD in the tent.

This year coming much more prepared. But still a fond memory...fading into 5am in the campgrounds.

ps - the riot police outside of the fence was a spectacle for sure. Fucking rioting drum circles.

[brando4n82]

Why are there so many misspellings of Xanax?

hey, at least i didn't throw any Z's up in that.

[jigglypuflvr@mac.com]

drug itinerary:

friday - 7 gram mushroom tea consumed about noon. 1 roll a few hours in, 1 more for the fatboy & aphex.

saturday - mezcaline.

sunday - lsd (help me out here, [thelastgreatman=Randy?]), probably 1 roll for waters to close out the night ftw.

i got the goom connect, and i got some great rolls right now. i'm thinking against bringing the shrooms in altogether and just making a tea of it for myself and drinking it before we get in line friday afternoon.

smokin' weed, all day, every day. no help needed. board smoke sesh recommended.

dev

[Daft Fro]

I'm gonna need to see the time schedule, to properly gauge my substance itinerary, for so for I think it as follows:

Thurs: standard weed and alcohol campsite party goodness.
Fri: Brownies & Firecrackers
Sat: Hippyflip (MDA/MDE cut rolls). Probably just 2 grams of shrooms, and 1 pill.
Sun: LSD, hits: ? (3-4 maybe) Possibly Candyflip...

I wish Portishead/Kraftwerk were on Fri, instead of Sat, to even out a day of not tripping lol.

[sbessiso]

thats intense

[jigglypuflvr@mac.com]

MDA and MDE? where'd you jack those?

[sbessiso]

the most shrooms ive done were an eighth and some change, jesus, coachella is gonna kill me