Schoolio's Movie Corner

[RotationSlimWang]

Just to clarify, by female filmmaker, you mean you're in porn, right?






Aw, is that a FACE-ial I just saw? I think it was.

[xXThirdManXx]

40 Year Old Virgin was hilarious. Knocked up was OK the 1st time, then it sucks the 2nd. I'm looking forward to Walk Hard though.

[Mr.Nipples]

You know there are no good female filmmakers, right? =)

go rent near dark...

[RotationSlimWang]

Made by a chick? No thanks.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

40 Year Old Virgin was hilarious. Knocked up was OK the 1st time, then it sucks the 2nd. I'm looking forward to Walk Hard though.

Walk Hard looks tired to me, though the cameos will probably be amusing. I really liked Knocked Up, and The 40-Year-Old Virgin is good too.

[kitt kat]

You know there are no good female filmmakers, right? =)

Tell that to Sofia's oscar.

[RotationSlimWang]

The Oscars are a fucking joke.

[rage patton]

kitt kat... have you seen Knocked Up or Superbad?

My girlfriend couldnt even watch the 40 Year Old Virgin. She basicaly thought the same thing about it as you do.

However, I convinced her to see Knocked Up... and she LOVED it. She almost couldnt believe it was written/directed by the same guy. We then went and saw Superbad and we both thought that was great as well. We are both looking forward to Walk Hard. Mainly for the cameos though...

[kitt kat]

i have. i don't get the hype behind it. there's a million other comedies that are funnier that don't resort to woman bashing, masturbation jokes, and sex.

i'm no prude, trust me.

but i've always been of the school of thought that believes resorting to sex, cussing, dirty jokes, bathroom jokes, etc. in a screenplay is a sign of an underlying lack of talent. simply put---those who use those things cannot think of how to phrase things in a way it would be intellectually/truly/affectingly humorous.

compare something like superbad to the apartment.

hmm. now, i don't think people will still be referencing superbad in 40 years like they do the apartment.

i know it's a matter of personal taste, but the personal taste of the american public has really gone downhill when they label judd apatow as a 'cinematic genius.'

[RotationSlimWang]

but i've always been of the school of thought that believes resorting to sex, cussing, dirty jokes, bathroom jokes, etc. in a screenplay is a sign of an underlying lack of talent. simply put---those who use those things cannot think of how to phrase things in a way it would be intellectually/truly/affectingly humorous.

Oh, how I do enjoy the comedic insights of high-school girls. A Jack Lemmon flick, seriously? Someone get this girl some puberty and a dick already, STAT.

[xXThirdManXx]

LOLZ

[menikmati]

but i've always been of the school of thought that believes resorting to sex, cussing, dirty jokes, bathroom jokes, etc. in a screenplay is a sign of an underlying lack of talent. simply put---those who use those things cannot think of how to phrase things in a way it would be intellectually/truly/affectingly humorous.

I agree on this. I honestly can't stand bathroom humor, or crude dirty/sexist jokes, or tons of cussing. Trust me, I took a couple screenwriting classes, and about 95% of the students in there thought it was so cool and funny to start throwing in all the cuss words they could think of (and I also wonder why all those film students were addicted to those dumbfuck zombie/vampire stories too...lame).

[RotationSlimWang]

You two should get together and discuss which Bill Cosby bits are the funniest.



EDIT: FACE. Oh, wait, that's not a curse. FUCK.

FACEFUCK.

[Hannahrain]

I liked the one where he wore a sweater.

[menikmati]

I actually made it an effort on all my scripts to not use any cuss words or crude jokes (if it was a story that called for that kinda stuff).

[RotationSlimWang]

How much like real life that script must have been. =)

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

I liked the one where he wore a sweater.

I liked the one where he wore a different sweater from the one Hannah is talking about.

[xXThirdManXx]

Hey Menik, What are your top 5 favorite movies of all time?

[menikmati]

How much like real life that script must have been. =)

Well see, I know that would people's reaction...but I gotta tell you....after taking those 2 courses in screenwriting, and reading TONS and TONS of other kids scripts (both short stories and first acts), I got so tired of people throwing in the random "fuck" or "shit", or some joke about balls or dicks or crude names for whatever....it just got so stupid (and the worst was that we had to normally read these scripts out loud and assign parts - which made it worse because all the people in the class thought it was so funny to play a tourette character shouting "fuck your mother" in random moments).

So I made an effort just so I wouldn't be part of that crowd, not caring if others or the teacher felt if wasn't real life enough or whatever. But I also made it my effort to never write some sort of zombie flick...which is about what 90% of the scripts were about. Seriously, zombies suck, zombie films suck...everything zombie sucks...try something new.

[rage patton]

You two should get together and discuss which Bill Cosby bits are the funniest.



EDIT: FACE. Oh, wait, that's not a curse. FUCK.

FACEFUCK.

I like how you said "facefuck" instead of "fuckface."

Seriously.

It made me laugh.

Randy does have a point though. People cuss like the dickens in real life. Why should it be any different in movies?
What I like about Judd Apatow movie is that they resemble real life SO closely. Like, you can actually imagine what is going on in the movie ACTUALLY happening. And you know a version of each character is real life. I dunno. Thats why I like his movies anyways.

[RotationSlimWang]

Dude, believe me, I actually do know what you're referring to. And yes, you're right, a great deal of scripts--particularly back when I was still taking classes--were bogged down with that. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should all be Paula Poundstone either.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

Tell that to Sofia's oscar.

Are you really citing Lost in Translation, with the egregious walking stereotype that is the Anna Faris character?

[RotationSlimWang]

Are you really citing Lost in Translation, with the egregious walking stereotype that is the Anna Faris character?

That character's actually supposed to be Cameron Diaz. And that bit of trivia is the only thing that's remotely funny about that fucking movie.

[menikmati]

Hey Menik, What are your top 5 favorite movies of all time?

I don't think that list has ever been published here.

[roberto73]

i have. i don't get the hype behind it. there's a million other comedies that are funnier that don't resort to woman bashing, masturbation jokes, and sex.

i'm no prude, trust me.

but i've always been of the school of thought that believes resorting to sex, cussing, dirty jokes, bathroom jokes, etc. in a screenplay is a sign of an underlying lack of talent. simply put---those who use those things cannot think of how to phrase things in a way it would be intellectually/truly/affectingly humorous.

compare something like superbad to the apartment.

hmm. now, i don't think people will still be referencing superbad in 40 years like they do the apartment.

i know it's a matter of personal taste, but the personal taste of the american public has really gone downhill when they label judd apatow as a 'cinematic genius.'

What's the basis of the comparison? That they're both comedies? I guess, but the last time I checked, The Apartment wasn't about Jack Lemmon trying to get laid at a high school party (although that would be a funny movie, especially now). You might as well have suggested it be compared to Ernest Goes to Jail.

Bad language, sexual references, etc., are signs of no talent ... when they're done poorly. When they're done well, they can achieve the same poetry as more sophisticated devices. Go watch Glengarry Glen Ross, and then we can have a conversation about the supposed dearth of talent represented by profanity.

I wouldn't call Apatow a cinematic genius, either, but I think the mistake you're making is you're tarring all comedies with the same brush. Apatow's movies aren't Annie Hall, or Whit Stillman's Metropolitan, or Some Like it Hot. And – here's the important thing – they're not trying to be. His movies capture the language of a specific group, a group that talks and acts in a way that – your delicate sensibilities aside – rings true to me. You might not like the method, but it's a bullshit argument to claim all comedies should aspire to do things in the same way. Would the characters in a teen sex comedy really talk like the characters in The Apartment? Really?

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

That character's actually supposed to be Cameron Diaz. And that bit of trivia is the only thing that's remotely funny about that fucking movie.

Yeah I know. I really enjoyed that movie the first time I saw it but I rewatched it recently and thought it was kind of shitty if true (the Cameron Diaz thing), which made it harder to enjoy the movie. Bill Murray still deserved an Oscar though.

[wmgaretjax]

for the most part, I hate comedies.

i think judd apatow is incredibly over-rated. I'm not sure I would get as silly to say he's a woman hater or any of that shit, but his jokes are tired.

Sofia Coppola is a hack too.

Maya Deren is a good female director. So is Catherine Breillat. So is Jane Campion. As is Lynne Ramsey. John Waters?

[RotationSlimWang]

Even as a woman John Waters would be a shitty filmmaker. That's incredible.

[Hannahrain]

Laughing fucking sucks. I'm brooding and disturbed, for chrissakes. I can't LAUGH.

[Hannahrain]

I mean, really. What exactly do you think we're playing at here?

[RotationSlimWang]

Laughing fucking sucks. I'm brooding and disturbed, for chrissakes. I can't LAUGH.

For the most part, I hate FACEdies. But this one... this one I like.

[wmgaretjax]

Even as a woman John Waters would be a shitty filmmaker. That's incredible.

Have you seen Ratcatcher by Lynne Ramsey Randy? Ramsey also has a short film on Cinema16's British Short Film disc about a boy who gets trapped in an old refrigerator that is fucking devastating.

You should check out Ratcatcher though...

[RotationSlimWang]

Can't say as I have. Maybe I will someday. But on the other, I hate almost everything you like, Jared. I'm not sure we can recommend things to each other anymore. =)

[Hannahrain]

No Randy, he's right. Comedy is no laughing matter.

[wmgaretjax]

i will keep trying.

I'm watching Primer. For a cheap fucking film, it's pretty cool.

[RotationSlimWang]

"I only laugh at movies about young boys trapped in refrigerators."

[schoolofruckus]

Yeah I know. I really enjoyed that movie the first time I saw it but I rewatched it recently and thought it was kind of shitty if true (the Cameron Diaz thing), which made it harder to enjoy the movie. Bill Murray still deserved an Oscar though.

The Cameron Diaz thing is based on Sofia's jealousy because her former husband - Spike "Fuck You Pot, I'm Not Releasing Where The Wild Things Are Until 10/08" Jonze - had a thing for Diaz when shooting "Being John Malkovich".

Faris fucking nailed her to the wall, too.

[schoolofruckus]

What's the basis of the comparison? That they're both comedies? I guess, but the last time I checked, The Apartment wasn't about Jack Lemmon trying to get laid at a high school party (although that would be a funny movie, especially now). You might as well have suggested it be compared to Ernest Goes to Jail.

Bad language, sexual references, etc., are signs of no talent ... when they're done poorly. When they're done well, they can achieve the same poetry as more sophisticated devices. Go watch Glengarry Glen Ross, and then we can have a conversation about the supposed dearth of talent represented by profanity.

I wouldn't call Apatow a cinematic genius, either, but I think the mistake you're making is you're tarring all comedies with the same brush. Apatow's movies aren't Annie Hall, or Whit Stillman's Metropolitan, or Some Like it Hot. And – here's the important thing – they're not trying to be. His movies capture the language of a specific group, a group that talks and acts in a way that – your delicate sensibilities aside – rings true to me. You might not like the method, but it's a bullshit argument to claim all comedies should aspire to do things in the same way. Would the characters in a teen sex comedy really talk like the characters in The Apartment? Really?

Thank you for being the voice of fucking reason here.

[schoolofruckus]

You two should get together and discuss which Bill Cosby bits are the funniest.



EDIT: FACE. Oh, wait, that's not a curse. FUCK.

FACEFUCK.

Thank you for being fucking hysterical tonight.

[wmgaretjax]

"I only laugh at movies about young boys trapped in refrigerators."

no... actually. that's not a comedy. sorry if I implied otherwise.

I don't know, the last movie I thought was really funny was The Incredibles...

If anyone has any really good comedies to recommend, shoot away. I like Woody Allen... for what it's worth.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

The Cameron Diaz thing is based on Sofia's jealousy because her former husband - Spike "Fuck You Pot, I'm Not Releasing Where The Wild Things Are Until 10/08" Jonze - had a thing for Diaz when shooting "Being John Malkovich".

Faris fucking nailed her to the wall, too.

Yeah I know the story, I just think it's kind of petty.

[schoolofruckus]

i will keep trying.

I'm watching Primer. For a cheap fucking film, it's pretty cool.

Primer is an awesome film. To think some dude dropped his day job, read a few books, grabbed $8,000 and shot that film and it turned out the way it did is nothing short of inspiring.

[schoolofruckus]

hah.

No seriously. How many films has the man put out this year? Like seriously.

And, take it from my perspective, as a female filmmaker. Judd Apatow is a sexist, misogynistic fucktard who has openly stated that he sees no reason to write a film with a strong female character because (and I quote) "chicks have too many movies already."

His humor is idiotic and unoriginal; figuring out 15 different ways to make a joke about having a hard-on in an inappropriate public place is hardly genius or novel. His movies are trite, poorly written/constructed, and go on too long. Since when were comedies 2.5 hours?? Please.

Man needs to stop being such a woman-hater and try and make something with some comedic value.

You're going to have to either back this up or fuck off.

A. Apatow writes strong characters of both sexes. The fact that he has a hottie like Kathryn Heigl end up falling in love with slothful Seth Rogen doesn't make him a misogynist; the females in "Knocked Up" are clearly depicted as being the wiser, more respectable sex. Catherine Keener's character in "40YOV" is as soulful as any character you'll find in any mainstream comedy. Apatow goes for realistic comedy that has basis in real situations and real human emotions. It just happens to be seen from the point of view of immature males. If you see that as misogyny, then prepare to never be happy for the rest of your life.

B. I defy you to name one boner in public joke in the combined 5 hours that are "40YOV" and "Knocked Up". Steve Carell has morning wood during the credits of the former, and that's as close as you'll get.

C. I'm calling your bluff on the "chicks have too many movies" quote. Post it - and prove it wasn't facetious - or take your first-semester-freshman feminism back and get a refund.

[schoolofruckus]

Yeah I know the story, I just think it's kind of petty.

Perhaps. I don't mind it because I think Cameron Diaz sucks (aside from "In Her Shoes" and "Vanilla Sky"), but it certainly wasn't a gracious move on Sofia's part.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

Meh, I have no problem with Cameron Diaz, I actually thought she was really good in Malkovich.

[roberto73]

Firestarter is on HBO now. Martin Sheen, Heather Locklear, George C. Scott, a post-Penis Breath/pre-coke whore Drew Barrymore, and directed by Mark "Commando" Lester? Count me in!

[luckyface]

I never saw that one. How does it compare to other King adaptations of the 80's? In particular, Cat's Eye and Silver Bullet? Those are two good terrible movies.

[roberto73]

So far, it's more Children of the Corn than The Shining, if that tells you anything.

[Benis23]

hah.

No seriously. How many films has the man put out this year? Like seriously.

And, take it from my perspective, as a female filmmaker. Judd Apatow is a sexist, misogynistic fucktard who has openly stated that he sees no reason to write a film with a strong female character because (and I quote) "chicks have too many movies already."

His humor is idiotic and unoriginal; figuring out 15 different ways to make a joke about having a hard-on in an inappropriate public place is hardly genius or novel. His movies are trite, poorly written/constructed, and go on too long. Since when were comedies 2.5 hours?? Please.

Man needs to stop being such a woman-hater and try and make something with some comedic value.

I understand why some people don't like his movies, but I don't understand this opinion that he's sexist or this criticism that he only writes about male characters. I mean, you have to write about what you know. And Judd Apatow knows about being a nerdy, funny, jewish kid who has a hard time getting laid. And what makes him sexist anyway? because he mostly writes about male characters? If he wrote movies about mainly female characters, the movie would be shitty because he is a male and doesn't know women nearly as well as he knows himself.

What I like about judd apatow movies is that you get to see a romance with guys who don't look like matthew mcconaughey and have boring, plastic personalities.

No question in my mind, though, that freaks and geeks is the best thing he's ever done.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

My girlfriend and her housemate and I all sat down to watch Fellini's "La Dolce Vita" last night. We turned it off after 90 minutes because we were all falling asleep. Some of the photography was great, and I could see the social commentary aspect of the movie, but there was no real storyline, and it was hardly a laugh a minute. Should we persist with the final 60 minutes? Is it really worth it? Maybe we were just in the wrong mood for a long black and white foreign movie...

[suprefan]

He is coming... (http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/)




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[kitt kat]

fuck. i didn't realize how horribly prone to stereotyping you all are here.

maybe i should lay down the facts that

1. i am not in fucking high school
2. i'm not a freshman and i dont suffer from "first semester freshman feminism"
3. i'm not a prude, a cosby lover, nor do i have "delicate sensibilities" in regards to comedy
4. i said everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and things like this are a matter of taste

in regards to #4, i think too many of you are approaching this from the angle i'm trying to criticize. you're supporting the idea that apatow is the "voice of this generation," which, if true, is saddening/sickening/depressing. is this how you all want to be remembered? for supplying the world with more masturbation and sex jokes and for putting women in a negative light?

whoever got all techinical with the hardon jokes, fuck. i was using a figurative example to get my point across. fuck fuck fuck.

excuse me while i go watch a nancy meyers film, eat bon bons, cry until my mascara runs, and be a submissive little twerp. oh yeah. and be a high schooler...

[SojuGorae]

No Country For Old Men = Best film of 2007

If I didn't know it was a Coen Brothers movie before going into it, I would have never known.

[KungFuJoe]

no... actually. that's not a comedy. sorry if I implied otherwise.

I don't know, the last movie I thought was really funny was The Incredibles...

If anyone has any really good comedies to recommend, shoot away. I like Woody Allen... for what it's worth.


stephen chows god of cookery

[schoolofruckus]

fuck. i didn't realize how horribly prone to stereotyping you all are here.

maybe i should lay down the facts that

1. i am not in fucking high school
2. i'm not a freshman and i dont suffer from "first semester freshman feminism"
3. i'm not a prude, a cosby lover, nor do i have "delicate sensibilities" in regards to comedy
4. i said everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and things like this are a matter of taste

in regards to #4, i think too many of you are approaching this from the angle i'm trying to criticize. you're supporting the idea that apatow is the "voice of this generation," which, if true, is saddening/sickening/depressing. is this how you all want to be remembered? for supplying the world with more masturbation and sex jokes and for putting women in a negative light?

whoever got all techinical with the hardon jokes, fuck. i was using a figurative example to get my point across. fuck fuck fuck.

excuse me while i go watch a nancy meyers film, eat bon bons, cry until my mascara runs, and be a submissive little twerp. oh yeah. and be a high schooler...

Figurative example, talking out your ass....what's the difference anymore?

You're putting words in our mouths. I never said Apatow was the voice of anything. All I said is that he does terrific, character-driven, mainstream comedies that are the funniest such films I've seen in recent years (if not ever). He has no reservations about making adult comedies that are R-rated - which, after years of stupid PG-13 "sex comedies", is a welcome swing of the pendulum. And he's done it with films that - despite your gross misunderstanding - rely far more on clever dialogue and authentic characterizations than they do scatalogical humor.

The reason you're getting pegged for being an oversensitive crybaby is because you're spouting blanket generalizations that don't fit and have no basis in truth. And then you throw a shitfit when asked to actually, you know, back up your claims. Around here, we base our arguments on facts or, in matters of opinion, on specific points. When Randy doesn't like something, he gives you reasons why (in many cases, more than you're prepared to fight about). He may be off his skull with what he's saying, but at least he's thought it out and didn't reach the conclusion lazily. As opposed to just saying "Judd Apatow is no Billy Wilder!!!"

And for the record, Apatow is also no Wes Anderson, who I would be much more likely to say is the voice of our generation. And neither of them are David O. Russell. And none of the above are the Coen Bros.

Lastly, in regards to the bolded items above:


but i've always been of the school of thought that believes resorting to sex, cussing, dirty jokes, bathroom jokes, etc. in a screenplay is a sign of an underlying lack of talent.

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[schoolofruckus]

In all the fun last night, I forgot to report that I'd just watched House of Games. It was typical Mamet, which is to say it was a riveting and enjoyable collision of crisp-speaking characters. Lots of narrative twists, as any good film about con artistry is, and a nice visual evocation of seedy society. I recommend.

[schoolofruckus]

Meh, I have no problem with Cameron Diaz, I actually thought she was really good in Malkovich.

Yeah, I would agree with that. I forgot to mention it even though we were already talking about it.

In fact, she's been in a lot of good movies, even though her work in some of them (Gangs of New York and Any Given Sunday) wasn't all that impressive. But I have an urge to dislike her and I don't know why; it'd be easy to blame the 30 minute I watched of Charlie's Angels before being committed for cutting myself, but that can't be all of it.

[RotationSlimWang]

Kitt Kat, everyone here knows that I am the comedic voice of this generation. Now leave Mr. Apatow alone--as Jews if we're not doctors or lawyers we're required by law to be comedians. They put tracking devices in us. No foolsies.

[luckyface]

4. i said everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and things like this are a matter of taste

...Yet you are criticizing those that enjoy Judd Apatow's work.

[bmack86]

In all the fun last night, I forgot to report that I'd just watched House of Games. It was typical Mamet, which is to say it was a riveting and enjoyable collision of crisp-speaking characters. Lots of narrative twists, as any good film about con artistry is, and a nice visual evocation of seedy society. I recommend.

I bought that recently and am looking forward to watching it

[Courtney]

I enjoyed Knocked Up. It was funny. And it has just as much in common genre-wise with female-driven romantic comedies as it does with more stereotypically male-driven gross out movies.

But kitt kat isn't the only person who has noted Apatow's general lack of depth when writing female characters. Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2167386/) had an article about it. The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2161812,00.html)'s review of the film also had some fairly serious criticisms.

Personally, I'm not convinced that he's a "woman-hater;" I suspect he's more just clueless and writing to his strengths.

[thefunkylama]

Nuh-uh, Courtney. He TOLD me he was a woman hater.

http://progressivemajoritywisconsin.org/images/blog_images/Image/he-man-woman-haters.jpg

[algunz]

Don't mean to change the subject, you can move on as you please past my post - but I saw No Country for Old Men finally. I'm sure your conversation is played out regarding this movie, but I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the Coen brother's use of visual patterns. My favorite shot of the whole movie was the pattern on the floor that was created by the officers shoes as he was being choked to death by Anton at the beginning of the film. Too cool.

Anywho, commence your banter.

Oh, and not all of Apatow's female characters lack depth. One of the best female characters ever to grace the small screen was Lindsay from Freaks & Geeks.

[Courtney]

He is coming... (http://www.empireonline.com/heiscoming/)
http://www.empireonline.com/images/heiscoming/large8.jpg

That has already been leaked (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/11/dark-knight-reward-for-he-is-coming.html).

[Courtney]

Don't mean to change the subject, you can move on as you please past my post - but I saw No Country for Old Men finally. I'm sure your conversation is played out regarding this movie, but I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the Coen brother's use of visual patterns. My favorite shot of the whole movie was the pattern on the floor that was created by the officers shoes as he was being choked to death by Anton at the beginning of the film. Too cool.

I agree. That was a nice shot. I finally saw No Country for Old Men too; I have been meaning to go back and read what people on here said about it. But yeah wow it was gooood.

Oh, and not all of Apatow's female characters lack depth. One of the best female characters ever to grace the small screen was Lindsay from Freaks & Geeks.

I can't speak to this because I haven't seen Freaks & Geeks. But I do maintain that the female characters in both Knocked Up and The 40 Year Old Virgin are quite shallow.

[wmgaretjax]

I can't speak to this because I haven't seen Freaks & Geeks. But I do maintain that the female characters in both Knocked Up and The 40 Year Old Virgin are quite shallow.

Freaks and Geeks is a good example, I like that show... even if I don't like Apatow's other movies...

[schoolofruckus]

Still, there was something about Knocked Up that bugged me—only intermittently during the movie, because I was too busy laughing at writer-director Judd Apatow's zingy dialogue—but more insistently afterward. I think what it boils down to is this: Apatow writes men with far more insight and acuity than he writes women. As a result, his portrait of contemporary gender relations is unbalanced: Crude and hilarious in Guyville, he seizes up when he gets to Ladyland and allows himself to take refuge in comfortable clichés. It's not that Knocked Up is misogynistic—if anything, Apatow is uxorious to a fault, scrupulously respectful of chicks and the chick stuff they do. He just doesn't seem to get exactly what that stuff is.

You - and the articles you posted - are correct: Apatow's strength may not be in getting inside a woman's soul. But that's a far, far cry from what Kitt Kat was saying.

The further examples in this article are, again, misguided and terribly flimsy. There's a HUGE degree of improbability in a girl like Heigl hooking up with Rogen, and the same can be said of the large avoidance of the topic of abortion. The former is a typical geeky screenwriter indulgence - the presence of a fantasy woman who has everything good in the world and yet still finds it in her heart to take a chance on a guy with less-than-impressive pedigree. The latter is more a testament to Apatow's familial tendencies than it is evidence of any kind of female oppression (as if anyone who isn't a rabid pro-choicer has a beef against women). Lastly, the sight of babies passing through the birth canal has churned men's stomachs since the caveman days. It's an honestly awkward fact of life that Apatow doesn't mind mining for comedy. It's definitely not sexism.

[KungFuJoe]

Don't mean to change the subject, you can move on as you please past my post - but I saw No Country for Old Men finally. I'm sure your conversation is played out regarding this movie, but I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the Coen brother's use of visual patterns. My favorite shot of the whole movie was the pattern on the floor that was created by the officers shoes as he was being choked to death by Anton at the beginning of the film. Too cool.
[/I].


I love the Coen Brothers & love the film, but shouldn't this kind of praise be directed towards the DP of the film. I mean you can't really tell too much of a difference in cinematography style in the Bros. films since they've only used two throughout their careers. Barry Sonnenfeld & Roger Deakins. It makes me wonder how heavily involved they are in this process and how much is actually created by the cinematographer. I have always wondered the same about Wong Kar Wai's films. Would they be as interesting and beautiful if it were not for the work of Christopher Doyle? Sometimes I just feel cinematographers do not get the credit they deserve.

[Yablonowitz]

I can't speak to this because I haven't seen Freaks & Geeks. But I do maintain that the female characters in both Knocked Up and The 40 Year Old Virgin are quite shallow.

Even Katherine Keener's character in 40 yr Old Virgin?

[schoolofruckus]

You spelled her name wrong.

SEXIST!

G.

[full on idle]

You're so afraid to admit that sexism actually is a real thing. Hi Gabe!!!

[schoolofruckus]

It's real as the day is long. Randy's a fucking sexist. Judd Apatow is not.

[PotVsKtl]

This conversation is gay.

[algunz]

Sometimes I just feel cinematographers do not get the credit they deserve.

So true, so true - I apologize. I would assume that it is a joint process (especially with artists of their experience) and a joint vision, but no the credit should not all fall on the director for sure.

[Courtney]

Even Katherine Keener's character in 40 yr Old Virgin?

In my memory, her character did seem more fleshed out than the Katherine Heigl character in Knocked Up, but she was still a somewhat two-dimensional foil for the more developed range of male characters.

[PotVsKtl]

I don't complain about the shitty male stereotypes in Four Weddings and a Bris. Perspective.

[RotationSlimWang]

I frequently complain about the lack of multi-dimensional non-stereotypical women in real life. The man isn't writing fantasy, here. When you bitches start being interesting, we'll write you that way.

[algunz]

I'd say that "Trish" was a well-developed character. She was a business owner, a struggling single mother searching for a normal, healthy relationship. She was reluctant to jump head long into sex because of her personal fears, yet she was still human and craved that kind of intimacy. She questioned Andy's intentions after her odd discoveries, yet she still had feelings for him - etc. etc.etc. How much more developed can you get?

[suprefan]

That has already been leaked (http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/2007/11/dark-knight-reward-for-he-is-coming.html).


Did you mention it here? Ok then......

[Courtney]

Did you mention it here? Ok then......

I don't even know what that means.

[amyzzz]

Yeah I know. I really enjoyed that movie the first time I saw it but I rewatched it recently and thought it was kind of shitty if true (the Cameron Diaz thing), which made it harder to enjoy the movie. Bill Murray still deserved an Oscar though.
If it was supposed to be Cameron Diaz, then that chick is a lousy representation of her. At least Diaz has charisma.

[Courtney]

I don't complain about the shitty male stereotypes in Four Weddings and a Bris. Perspective.

I think you're right. It's a mainstream gross-out/romantic comedy. Perhaps fully-developed characters aren't to be expected.

I'd say that "Trish" was a well-developed character. She was a business owner, a struggling single mother searching for a normal, healthy relationship. She was reluctant to jump head long into sex because of her personal fears, yet she was still human and craved that kind of intimacy. She questioned Andy's intentions after her odd discoveries, yet she still had feelings for him - etc. etc.etc. How much more developed can you get?

I think I would need to see the film again to refresh my memory if I was to build a stronger argument. But I do remember thinking it unrealistic that her character would (1) be interested in him in the first place, and (2) stick around despite all his weirdness. But you might be correct; my memory may be failing me here.

[thefunkylama]

give love a chance.

[algunz]

I think the jist of a lot of people's questioning the depth of the female characters comes from the "unbelievability" of these women getting involved with "these" men.

Why are these relationships so unbelievable? People hook up or fall in love for various different reasons. It does not always rely solely on the "mainstream" attractiveness of either party.

[thefunkylama]

Some people think Josh Rouse is a good looking man, for example. Others think he looks like the worst post-op tranny they've ever seen.

[Yablonowitz]

I frequently complain about the lack of multi-dimensional non-stereotypical women in real life. The man isn't writing fantasy, here. When you bitches start being interesting, we'll write you that way.

Do you know why you don't have any success romantically with women? It's because you hate them. And I expect that they hate you accordingly. I'd hate to probe your subconscious to find exactly where you got such a fucked up and disturbing visceral dislike for women. I do hope one of them stabs you in the chest though.

[algunz]

Although I do kind of agree with Randy, Yablo. Many of the women I interact with fall under this description - more so than the men. But, of course, I do live in the OC. I guess I'm doomed to a life with the non-dimensional.

[PotVsKtl]

I think you're right. It's a mainstream gross-out/romantic comedy. Perhaps fully-developed characters aren't to be expected.

It's not just that. Knocked Up is literally the "guy" equivalent of a "chick flick." Given that, it's perfectly reasonable for Apatow to say "there are enough chick flicks." Charging misogyny is ridiculous.

[RotationSlimWang]

Why are these relationships so unbelievable? People hook up or fall in love for various different reasons. It does not always rely solely on the "mainstream" attractiveness of either party.

This is true. Women also factor in money, for example. =)

[RotationSlimWang]

Do you know why you don't have any success romantically with women? It's because you hate them. And I expect that they hate you accordingly. I'd hate to probe your subconscious to find exactly where you got such a fucked up and disturbing visceral dislike for women. I do hope one of them stabs you in the chest though.

Yabs, clearly you don't understand women. Hating them is the one thing I have going for me when it comes to getting laid.

[algunz]

Damn, Randy - you are the quintessential asshole that all my girlfriends fall for and subsequently get fucked over by.

[RotationSlimWang]

Only because you force me to be.

[Yablonowitz]

Yabs, clearly you don't understand women. Hating them is the one thing I have going for me when it comes to getting laid.

Wow, you really are an asshole and a dick. All wrapped up in one.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

I think I would need to see the film again to refresh my memory if I was to build a stronger argument. But I do remember thinking it unrealistic that her character would (1) be interested in him in the first place, and (2) stick around despite all his weirdness. But you might be correct; my memory may be failing me here.

I don't know why she wouldn't be interested in him, I mean, the character is a nice guy despite the whole virgin thing. They make it pretty clear that Trish is looking for a nice guy (I think there's something about her last boyfriend being a dick or something), so keeping that in mind it makes sense for her to go out with him.


1. i am not in fucking high school

I don't remember anyone saying that you were in high school, but this is the second time you've acted defensively on this board about someone thinking you were a high school student. Maybe you should reflect on why it would be possible for people to think that.

i dont suffer from "first semester freshman feminism"

Yes, you do.

3. i'm not a prude, a cosby lover, nor do i have "delicate sensibilities" in regards to comedy

I have to admit I did think it was kind of weird that Randy approached this that way, because you're not a prude. Instead, you're pretentious and condescending. Art isn't a ladder to enlightenment that you climb so as to sneer at the people at the bottom. Your use of Wilder's The Apartment as the standard for all movie comedies was fucking ridiculous.

In addition to that, I could be misinterpreting you but I don't think you really understand why a movie like "The Apartment" is a success. It really has nothing to do with the movie's lack of raunch and constant swearing. That movie could be written by Kevin Smith, and it would still be great if it addressed the same themes and had the same characters. The really resonant comedies stay with us because they have some sort of truth to them. That's why movies like The Graduate continue to live on in the memory. The Apartment remains a classic because it has characters we can recognize as authentic, which kind of sets it apart from, I don't know, The Three Stooges (who are awesome, btw). The same is true of Apatow. Focusing on all of the swearing and sex jokes is really missing the point; it's the truthful, funny, and nuanced portrayal of relationships and insecurity and maturity that makes his films particularly rewarding.

in regards to #4, i think too many of you are approaching this from the angle i'm trying to criticize. you're supporting the idea that apatow is the "voice of this generation," which, if true, is saddening/sickening/depressing.

Despite the fact that nobody actually said anything close to this, if the voice of our generation is making movies about how even the most apathetic and drug-addled of us can pull our shit together and grow up when the time comes, then I'd say our generation is in a pretty good place.

Just out of curiosity: what would you say is a film that could be considered the voice of this generation?

putting women in a negative light

Sure, Judd Apatow knows more about a guy's mind that a girl's mind, but that doesn't make him a misogynist at all. I mean, look at the arc of Knocked Up. The whole thing basically boils down to: Katherine Heigl is successful, Katherine Heigl is mature, Katherine Heigl is compassionate, etc. etc. etc. Seth Rogen is a lazy (if charismatic) stoner and needs to grow up. I mean, look at the way the movie ends; he gets a new job, he moves out into an apartment, he actually takes steps toward being able to take care of his family. Sure, the Heigl character isn't written with the same insight as Rogen, but it's pretty clear that she's meant to be a mature adult...which, you know, is totally sexist.

[RotationSlimWang]

Jesus Christ, Yabs, what's your beef recently? You put Tom in your avatar and your cocksucking tripled.

[Somewhat Damaged]

In the event anyone's interested: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127/ap_en_ot/film_spirit_awards

I'm going to be up in Phoenix at the end of the week for work and I hear I'm Not There is playing there, so I'm looking forward to checking it out. Oh yeah, and No Country for Old Men was ace.

[mountmccabe]

Does anyone else out there even give a fuck about seeing Southland Tales? Is it a bigger deal to me than it is to most people?

I really want to see this.


If I am feeling better I will probably see Walk Hard tomorrow. I will keep my eyes peeled for misogyny.

[schoolofruckus]

I don't know why she wouldn't be interested in him, I mean, the character is a nice guy despite the whole virgin thing.




I don't remember anyone saying that you were in high school, but this is the second time you've acted defensively on this board about someone thinking you were a high school student. Maybe you should reflect on why it would be possible for people to think that.



Yes, you do.



I have to admit I did think it was kind of weird that Randy approached this that way, because you're not a prude. Instead, you're pretentious and condescending. Your use of Wilder's The Apartment as the standard for all movie comedies was fucking ridiculous.

In addition to that, I could be misinterpreting you but I don't think you really understand why a movie like "The Apartment" is a success. It really has nothing to do with the movie's lack of raunch and constant swearing. That movie could be written by Kevin Smith, and it would still be great if it addressed the same themes and had the same characters. The really resonant comedies stay with us because they have some sort of truth to them. That's why movies like The Graduate continue to live on in the memory. The Apartment remains a classic because it has characters we can recognize as authentic, which kind of sets it apart from, I don't know, The Three Stooges (who are awesome, btw). The same is true of Apatow. Focusing on all of the swearing and sex jokes is really missing the point; it's the truthful, funny, and nuanced portrayal of relationships and insecurity and maturity that makes his films particularly rewarding.



Despite the fact that nobody actually said anything close to this, if the voice of our generation is making movies about how even the most apathetic and drug-addled of us can pull our shit together and grow up when the time comes, then I'd say our generation is in a pretty good place.

Just out of curiosity: what would you say is a film that could be considered the voice of this generation?



Sure, Judd Apatow knows more about a guy's mind that a girl's mind, but that doesn't make him a misogynist at all. I mean, look at the arc of Knocked Up. The whole thing basically boils down to: Katherine Heigl is successful, Katherine Heigl is mature, Katherine Heigl is compassionate, etc. etc. etc. Seth Rogen is a lazy (if charismatic) stoner and needs to grow up. I mean, look at the way the movie ends; he gets a new job, he moves out into an apartment, he actually takes steps toward being able to take care of his family. Sure, the Heigl character isn't written with the same insight as Rogen, but it's pretty clear that she's meant to be a mature adult...which, you know, is totally sexist.

It's a shame that such a well-done series of points will almost certainly fall on deaf ears.

[schoolofruckus]

In the event anyone's interested: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127/ap_en_ot/film_spirit_awards

I'm going to be up in Phoenix at the end of the week for work and I hear I'm Not There is playing there, so I'm looking forward to checking it out. Oh yeah, and No Country for Old Men was ace.

The Indies would be a lot more to get excited over if they hadn't ignored Control entirely.

[full on idle]

It's a shame that such a well-done series of points will almost certainly fall on deaf ears.

Why are you making that assumption?

[Benis23]

OK movie buffs - I just ordered blockbuster online.

Here's my queue so far:

The Conversation
The Lookout
Oldboy
Manhattan
Being There
The Ice Storm
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Seventh Seal
Spider-man 3
Life of Brian
Princess Mononoke
Dirty Pretty Things
Flirting with Disaster
Rescue Dawn
Ocean's Thirteen
Event Horizon
CQ
The Five Obstructions

I hate sitting down to watch a movie and then realize that it's awful 10 mns. in. Anything there that I should definitely avoid?

[full on idle]

I liked the Ice Storm.

[Somewhat Damaged]

The Indies would be a lot more to get excited over if they hadn't ignored Control entirely.

I'm so pissed about Control. A couple weeks ago, it was playing at a theater that's a five-minute walk from my house. They usually have things there for several weeks, and earlier in the year, they'd had The Lives of Others, La Vie en Rose, and Once all play for a couple of months. And on the last week that all those films were playing, they had a sign on the marquee stating "Such-and-such movie ends Thursday" so that if you were procrastinating on seeing it, you'd know when to stop procrastinating. I didn't even mean to procrastinate on Control, I was just waiting to see it till my girlfriend came down a couple weeks later 'cause she wanted to catch it with me. So naturally, it ends up only playing for one fucking week. Meanwhile, the critically acclaimed, highly anticipated Naked Boys Singing has been playing there for a month. Am I the only that doesn't make any sense to?

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

Does anyone else out there even give a fuck about seeing Southland Tales? Is it a bigger deal to me than it is to most people?

I had planned to see it (I got a Southland Tales shirt two years ago and kind of felt obligated), but the really bad reviews kind of weakened my interest, and then it disappeared from theaters here after a week. I did want to see it.

btw, I saw I'm Not There about a week ago, I loved it. Hoping to see it again this week.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

OK movie buffs - I just ordered blockbuster online.

Here's my queue so far:

The Conversation
The Lookout
Oldboy
Manhattan
Being There
The Ice Storm
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Seventh Seal
Spider-man 3
Life of Brian
Princess Mononoke
Dirty Pretty Things
Flirting with Disaster
Rescue Dawn
Ocean's Thirteen
Event Horizon
CQ
The Five Obstructions

I hate sitting down to watch a movie and then realize that it's awful 10 mns. in. Anything there that I should definitely avoid?


Not in that list. Being There is one of my favorite movies. And Manhattan is Woody Allen's best film, imo.

Well actually you could hate Event Horizon, but I thought the directing was good enough to make up for the weak story. In any event it's a good bloodtacular movie to turn off your brain to.

[schoolofruckus]

My take:

OK movie buffs - I just ordered blockbuster online.

Here's my queue so far:

The Conversation
The Lookout Kind of boring. Fairly straightforward and decent, but nothing exciting.
Oldboy Masterpiece
Manhattan
Being There
The Ice Storm
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Seventh Seal More than a little heavy-handed and quaint with all the religious stuff. Acting's a stiff. It's pretty short, but it's still a waste of time in my opinion
Spider-man 3
Life of Brian
Princess Mononoke
Dirty Pretty Things
Flirting with Disaster Hilarious modern-day screwball
Rescue Dawn
Ocean's Thirteen Least successful of the three, if only for the familiarity aspect
Event Horizon Outlandish characterizations. It has some flashy set design and some decent horror-movie thrills. Just don't expect anything human to care about
CQ
The Five Obstructions

I hate sitting down to watch a movie and then realize that it's awful 10 mns. in. Anything there that I should definitely avoid?

[amyzzz]

Southland Tales was only showing here at about 10pm at the AMC's this past week, so good luck finding it, John. I don't know if Control ever played here. I really want to see it though, damnit.

[schoolofruckus]

Why are you making that assumption?

Because based on Kitt Kat's response to the initial line of "what the fuck are you talking about?" inquiries, this one probably won't make much of an impact either.

[PotVsKtl]

My take:

The Seventh Seal More than a little heavy-handed and quaint with all the religious stuff. Acting's a stiff. It's pretty short, but it's still a waste of time in my opinion


Uh. Are you thinking of Seventh Sign? Ninth Gate? Seventh Seal is an Ingmar Bergman film.

[full on idle]

Because based on Kitt Kat's response to the initial line of "what the fuck are you talking about?" inquiries, this one probably won't make much of an impact either.

So if she doesn't agree with you, she's not listening. Got it.

[full on idle]

/BUTTON

I don't know what my deal is today.

[Courtney]

Bergman is pretty into religious symbolism.

[chrislasf]

OK movie buffs - I just ordered blockbuster online.

Here's my queue so far:

The Conversation
The Lookout
Oldboy
Manhattan
Being There
The Ice Storm
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Seventh Seal
Spider-man 3
Life of Brian
Princess Mononoke
Dirty Pretty Things
Flirting with Disaster
Rescue Dawn
Ocean's Thirteen
Event Horizon
CQ
The Five Obstructions

I hate sitting down to watch a movie and then realize that it's awful 10 mns. in. Anything there that I should definitely avoid?

Spiderman 3 is probably the worst movie I have seen in several years.

The Conversation is a fucking masterpiece. The opening sequence in SF's Union Square is so fucking awesome. I have yet to see someone employ sound design the way this film does. And Walter Murch, well hes a god for a reason.

[schoolofruckus]

Yeah, you really need to stop. We asked her to justify her claims, she went into a tizzy and didn't do it. Pay attention.

Uh. Are you thinking of Seventh Sign? Ninth Gate? Seventh Seal is an Ingmar Bergman film.

Yeah, I meant The Seventh Seal. The acting was poor, the dialogue (as translated by subtitle) was awful, and the heavy-handed Christianity held little appeal to me.

[PotVsKtl]

Bergman is pretty into religious symbolism.

True, but I can't see "quaint."

EDIT: Nevermind, Gabriel is functionally retarded.

[chrislasf]

Go ahead and buy me a helmet then too because I am in the exact same boat when it comes to Seventh Seal. Snoozefest.

[schoolofruckus]

The Virgin Spring was MUCH better than Seventh Seal. Ultimately, I thought it submarined what it was going for with dad resolving to build a church on the spring, because until that point it had been a solid study of faith in question.

If you have other Bergmans to recommend, go right ahead. I can't write him off on the basis of only two films, but his stuff has yet to really soar with me.

[Courtney]

I'd say that both Persona and Wild Strawberries are better than The Virgin Spring and The Seventh Seal (although I don't have the problems with the latter two that you did). If you're gonna like anything by Bergman, it's probably going to be Persona.

[schoolofruckus]

Persona will be next up for me. It's in my Netflix queue.

[PotVsKtl]

You don't have to love Bergman, I don't particularly, but I can't see calling Seventh Seal quaint, and I have no idea how you come away thinking the acting is wooden.

[PotVsKtl]

And the symbolism is purposefully heavy-handed.

[schoolofruckus]

I didn't mind the symbolism being heavy-handed. I loved the idea of a knight playing Death at chess. It was just executed in a way that I didn't find exciting.

The problem I have with it being "quaint" is all that doom-and-gloom, on the nose, "if we sin, we're going to HELL!!!" shit. Absolutely it's an indicator of the times, and of course some people think that way even today, but it's not a worldview I feel inclined to spend a whole lot of time with. The acting....what can I say? I didn't buy it. I didn't get any sign of a real person in Max von Sydow's character.

[PotVsKtl]

It's not the worldview of the movie either.

[full on idle]

Yeah, you really need to stop. We asked her to justify her claims, she went into a tizzy and didn't do it. Pay attention.


Oh am I next for the wrath?

Let me lay it out how I see it, (pay attention):

FUCK WALK HARD

IF JUDD APATOW MAKES ANOTHER MOVIE
I'M GONNA SHANK A BITCH

- sarcasatic remark by Wang -

hah.

No seriously. How many films has the man put out this year? Like seriously.

And, take it from my perspective, as a female filmmaker. Judd Apatow is a sexist, misogynistic fucktard who has openly stated that he sees no reason to write a film with a strong female character because (and I quote) "chicks have too many movies already."

His humor is idiotic and unoriginal; figuring out 15 different ways to make a joke about having a hard-on in an inappropriate public place is hardly genius or novel. His movies are trite, poorly written/constructed, and go on too long. Since when were comedies 2.5 hours?? Please.

Man needs to stop being such a woman-hater and try and make something with some comedic value.

Okay, so she's saying some insulting things about the guy, including the fact that his work seems misogynistic to her.

- sexist remark by Wang -

- second sexist remark by Wang -

Tell that to Sofia's oscar.

Defending the claim that there are no good female directors.

kitt kat... have you seen Knocked Up or Superbad?

My girlfriend couldnt even watch the 40 Year Old Virgin. She basicaly thought the same thing about it as you do.

However, I convinced her to see Knocked Up... and she LOVED it. She almost couldnt believe it was written/directed by the same guy. We then went and saw Superbad and we both thought that was great as well. We are both looking forward to Walk Hard. Mainly for the cameos though...

i have. i don't get the hype behind it. there's a million other comedies that are funnier that don't resort to woman bashing, masturbation jokes, and sex.

i'm no prude, trust me.

but i've always been of the school of thought that believes resorting to sex, cussing, dirty jokes, bathroom jokes, etc. in a screenplay is a sign of an underlying lack of talent. simply put---those who use those things cannot think of how to phrase things in a way it would be intellectually/truly/affectingly humorous.

compare something like superbad to the apartment.

hmm. now, i don't think people will still be referencing superbad in 40 years like they do the apartment.

i know it's a matter of personal taste, but the personal taste of the american public has really gone downhill when they label judd apatow as a 'cinematic genius.'

She's seen Knocked Up. She found the humor cheap and ineffective. She thinks Apatow's movies are overrated.

- sexist remark by Wang -

I agree on this. I honestly can't stand bathroom humor, or crude dirty/sexist jokes, or tons of cussing. Trust me, I took a couple screenwriting classes, and about 95% of the students in there thought it was so cool and funny to start throwing in all the cuss words they could think of (and I also wonder why all those film students were addicted to those dumbfuck zombie/vampire stories too...lame).

Look! Somebody agrees with her!

- bad Cosby joke by Wang, followed by self-congratulatory Wang statement -

Posts 3526-3536, banter with discussion of who likes Apatow.

What's the basis of the comparison? That they're both comedies? I guess, but the last time I checked, The Apartment wasn't about Jack Lemmon trying to get laid at a high school party (although that would be a funny movie, especially now). You might as well have suggested it be compared to Ernest Goes to Jail.

Bad language, sexual references, etc., are signs of no talent ... when they're done poorly. When they're done well, they can achieve the same poetry as more sophisticated devices. Go watch Glengarry Glen Ross, and then we can have a conversation about the supposed dearth of talent represented by profanity.

I wouldn't call Apatow a cinematic genius, either, but I think the mistake you're making is you're tarring all comedies with the same brush. Apatow's movies aren't Annie Hall, or Whit Stillman's Metropolitan, or Some Like it Hot. And – here's the important thing – they're not trying to be. His movies capture the language of a specific group, a group that talks and acts in a way that – your delicate sensibilities aside – rings true to me. You might not like the method, but it's a bullshit argument to claim all comedies should aspire to do things in the same way. Would the characters in a teen sex comedy really talk like the characters in The Apartment? Really?

Looks like Roberto's furthering the discussion. He's challenging her claim that Apatow's a misogynist.

for the most part, I hate comedies.

i think judd apatow is incredibly over-rated. I'm not sure I would get as silly to say he's a woman hater or any of that shit, but his jokes are tired.

Sofia Coppola is a hack too.

Maya Deren is a good female director. So is Catherine Breillat. So is Jane Campion. As is Lynne Ramsey. John Waters?

Wmgaretjax thinks Judd Apatow is overrated.

- sexist remark by Wang -

3541-3548: banter

Thank you for being the voice of fucking reason here.

Looks like you think Roberto's post was fucking reasonable!!!

- compliment by you to Wang on his hilarity -

3552-3554: banter

You're going to have to either back this up or fuck off.

A. Apatow writes strong characters of both sexes. The fact that he has a hottie like Kathryn Heigl end up falling in love with slothful Seth Rogen doesn't make him a misogynist; the females in "Knocked Up" are clearly depicted as being the wiser, more respectable sex. Catherine Keener's character in "40YOV" is as soulful as any character you'll find in any mainstream comedy. Apatow goes for realistic comedy that has basis in real situations and real human emotions. It just happens to be seen from the point of view of immature males. If you see that as misogyny, then prepare to never be happy for the rest of your life.

B. I defy you to name one boner in public joke in the combined 5 hours that are "40YOV" and "Knocked Up". Steve Carell has morning wood during the credits of the former, and that's as close as you'll get.

C. I'm calling your bluff on the "chicks have too many movies" quote. Post it - and prove it wasn't facetious - or take your first-semester-freshman feminism back and get a refund.

You don't agree with her. You curse at her and insult her twice.

3556-3560: banter

I understand why some people don't like his movies, but I don't understand this opinion that he's sexist or this criticism that he only writes about male characters. I mean, you have to write about what you know. And Judd Apatow knows about being a nerdy, funny, jewish kid who has a hard time getting laid. And what makes him sexist anyway? because he mostly writes about male characters? If he wrote movies about mainly female characters, the movie would be shitty because he is a male and doesn't know women nearly as well as he knows himself.

What I like about judd apatow movies is that you get to see a romance with guys who don't look like matthew mcconaughey and have boring, plastic personalities.

No question in my mind, though, that freaks and geeks is the best thing he's ever done.

Benis likes Apatow.

3562-3563: banter

fuck. i didn't realize how horribly prone to stereotyping you all are here.

maybe i should lay down the facts that

1. i am not in fucking high school
2. i'm not a freshman and i dont suffer from "first semester freshman feminism"
3. i'm not a prude, a cosby lover, nor do i have "delicate sensibilities" in regards to comedy
4. i said everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and things like this are a matter of taste

in regards to #4, i think too many of you are approaching this from the angle i'm trying to criticize. you're supporting the idea that apatow is the "voice of this generation," which, if true, is saddening/sickening/depressing. is this how you all want to be remembered? for supplying the world with more masturbation and sex jokes and for putting women in a negative light?

whoever got all techinical with the hardon jokes, fuck. i was using a figurative example to get my point across. fuck fuck fuck.

excuse me while i go watch a nancy meyers film, eat bon bons, cry until my mascara runs, and be a submissive little twerp. oh yeah. and be a high schooler...

I think she's mad now. It seems like she's saying that she gets that Apatow's using the "real guy" model for his characters, but this disappoints her. She defends against the boner challenge with the statement that she was being figurative. She's defensive about your "freshman" comment.


Figurative example, talking out your ass....what's the difference anymore?

You're putting words in our mouths. I never said Apatow was the voice of anything. All I said is that he does terrific, character-driven, mainstream comedies that are the funniest such films I've seen in recent years (if not ever). He has no reservations about making adult comedies that are R-rated - which, after years of stupid PG-13 "sex comedies", is a welcome swing of the pendulum. And he's done it with films that - despite your gross misunderstanding - rely far more on clever dialogue and authentic characterizations than they do scatalogical humor.

The reason you're getting pegged for being an oversensitive crybaby is because you're spouting blanket generalizations that don't fit and have no basis in truth. And then you throw a shitfit when asked to actually, you know, back up your claims. Around here, we base our arguments on facts or, in matters of opinion, on specific points. When Randy doesn't like something, he gives you reasons why (in many cases, more than you're prepared to fight about). He may be off his skull with what he's saying, but at least he's thought it out and didn't reach the conclusion lazily. As opposed to just saying "Judd Apatow is no Billy Wilder!!!"

And for the record, Apatow is also no Wes Anderson, who I would be much more likely to say is the voice of our generation. And neither of them are David O. Russell. And none of the above are the Coen Bros.

Lastly, in regards to the bolded items above:



http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4894/jumptoconclusions2xk.jpg

You tell her she's talking out of her ass. You call her an oversensitive crybaby and that she's jumping to conclusions.

I enjoyed Knocked Up. It was funny. And it has just as much in common genre-wise with female-driven romantic comedies as it does with more stereotypically male-driven gross out movies.

But kitt kat isn't the only person who has noted Apatow's general lack of depth when writing female characters. Slate (http://www.slate.com/id/2167386/) had an article about it. The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2161812,00.html)'s review of the film also had some fairly serious criticisms.

Personally, I'm not convinced that he's a "woman-hater;" I suspect he's more just clueless and writing to his strengths.

Courtney brings some off-board opinions into the argument. Courtney's reasonable.

This is followed by further discussion of Apatow's work, interspersed with people telling her that she's wrong.

I think it's funny that you think she got more spaz than you did.

Maybe she'll come back and argue her point some more. Or maybe she'll feel too discouraged to come back.

[Yablonowitz]

The Conversation is a fucking masterpiece. The opening sequence in SF's Union Square is so fucking awesome. I have yet to see someone employ sound design the way this film does. And Walter Murch, well hes a god for a reason.

We agree on this which makes the fact that you liked Anchorman even more galling.

[chrislasf]

You just dont like silly. Same reason you dont like Spaceballs. I still beg you to rent Supertroopers sometime.

[full on idle]

Who doesn't like Spaceballs? That's preposterous.

[wmgaretjax]

Bergman:
Persona
Cries and Whispers
Scenes from a Marriage

i recommend them in that order. I'm not big on the Seventh Seal, but I really respect it.

[PotVsKtl]

I fucking hate Spaceballs.

[PotVsKtl]

In fact, I hate Mel Brooks.

[full on idle]

I hate Bringing Up Baby.

[RotationSlimWang]

In fact, I hate Mel Brooks.

Anti-semite.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

I've never liked The Seventh Seal all that much, but Bergman is possibly my favorite filmmaker of all time. My personal favorite film of his is Fanny & Alexander. The Faith Trilogy is worth checking out too, and Scenes from a Marriage. I could just keep adding movies to this but I'll stop there.

[PotVsKtl]

I hate Bringing Up Baby.

Sorry, they couldn't convince Cary Grant to do a "my schwartz is bigger than your schwartz" joke. It must really rankle your sophisticated sensibilities that they weren't able to replace the leopard with John Candy in a fucking dog getup lighting his farts on fire in a Toys 'R Us.

[full on idle]

Confession: I don't remember a thing about Bringing Up Baby.

[PotVsKtl]

Clarification: That's because you were watching The Philadelphia Story.

[RotationSlimWang]

Bullshit you don't like Blazing Saddles. Bullshit, I say. Spaceballs... okay, I mean I can imagine not liking that, I suppose. But if you try and claim you've watched Blazing Saddles and not liked it you're a fucking filthy liar.

[full on idle]

hahahahahahahah

[PotVsKtl]

I've never watched Blazing Saddles because I don't like Jewish people.

[idrive1life]

I'd say that both Persona and Wild Strawberries are better than The Virgin Spring and The Seventh Seal (although I don't have the problems with the latter two that you did). If you're gonna like anything by Bergman, it's probably going to be Persona.

Ingmar Bergman! Ahhhhh, another :pulse of mine!

I have'nt seen the Virgin Spring yet. In my mind, Wild Strawberries A+ is Bergman's best (oh well, I've only seen Persona A, The Seventh A, Cries and Whispers A-, Autumn Sonata A-, Funny and Alexander A- and Saraband A-). It's in my Top 10 favorite/greatest films of all-time. Bergman is probably in my Top 20 favorite/greatest directors of all-time .

I guess I should resubscribe to netflix and watch the ones I have not seen among his other works (oh well, I've also thought of doing that right after when he and Antonioni died few months ago). I would've bought during DDD/DVD Planet's Thxgvng sale of Ingmar Bergman - Four Masterworks (Criterion Collection) if I do not already have Criterions of Wild Strawberries and The Seventh Seal. Actually, I thought I already have his Trilogy Criterion collection. I just checked my collection (it's mostly Criterions of Truffaut's, Kurosawa's and Hitchcock's ... fuck! Speaking of greatest directors along with Bergman and Antonioni, those 3 are also way up there in my list, plus Welles, Bunuel, Kubrick, Malick, Kar-wai, Almodovar & so and so ...)

Anyway, speaking of Antonioni, if I think Wild Strawberry is my #1 Bergman's film, Blow-Up is my most favorite among Antonioni's works. In fact, if I'm going to make another greatest films list, it would still be way up there among in the Top 5 (it's my #1/greatest film ever when I made a list 3 years ago).

I was able to see the mesmerizing No Country for Old Men A+/A (what a staggering achievement in film making - flawless direction, magnificent cinematography and not unlike Cache, it's non use of a soundtrack is brilliantly chilling ... I need to see this film again to recheck on few things before I can say that without a doubt this is the first masterpiece of 2007) and Before The Devil Knows You're Dead A-/B+ last Sunday.

I still need to see Persepolis, Grindhouse (especially Tarantino's Death Proof), Away From Her, Ratatouille, Rescue Dawn, My Blueberry Nights, Once, I'm Not There ...

[Cruel Runnings]

Before The Devil Knows You're Dead, I'm Not There, and Control are all coming to my town very soon. I am making it a goal to see all of them before they leave.

[idrive1life]

Yeah, I also really need to see Control.

[KungFuJoe]

http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/22/stephen-chows-cj7-trailer/

[schoolofruckus]

I think it's funny that you think she got more spaz than you did.

Maybe she'll come back and argue her point some more. Or maybe she'll feel too discouraged to come back.

I think you out-spazzed everyone.

I'm also waiting for her to start arguing her point instead of registering vague complaints.

[Yablonowitz]

Clarification: That's because you were watching The Philadelphia Story.

Much love for The Philadelphia Story. Much.

[schoolofruckus]

Ingmar Bergman! Ahhhhh, another :pulse of mine!

I have'nt seen the Virgin Spring yet. In my mind, Wild Strawberries A+ is Bergman's best (oh well, I've only seen Persona A, The Seventh A, Cries and Whispers A-, Autumn Sonata A-, Funny and Alexander A- and Saraband A-). It's in my Top 10 favorite/greatest films of all-time. Bergman is probably in my Top 20 favorite/greatest directors of all-time .

I guess I should resubscribe to netflix and watch the ones I have not seen among his other works (oh well, I've also thought of doing that right after when he and Antonioni died few months ago). I would've bought during DDD/DVD Planet's Thxgvng sale of Ingmar Bergman - Four Masterworks (Criterion Collection) if I do not already have Criterions of Wild Strawberries and The Seventh Seal. Actually, I thought I already have his Trilogy Criterion collection. I just checked my collection (it's mostly Criterions of Truffaut's, Kurosawa's and Hitchcock's ... fuck! Speaking of greatest directors along with Bergman and Antonioni, those 3 are also way up there in my list, plus Welles, Bunuel, Kubrick, Malick, Kar-wai, Almodovar & so and so ...)

Anyway, speaking of Antonioni, if I think Wild Strawberry is my #1 Bergman's film, Blow-Up is my most favorite among Antonioni's works. In fact, if I'm going to make another greatest films list, it would still be way up there among in the Top 5 (it's my #1/greatest film ever when I made a list 3 years ago).

I was able to see the mesmerizing No Country for Old Men A+/A (what a staggering achievement in film making - flawless direction, magnificent cinematography and not unlike Cache, it's non use of a soundtrack is brilliantly chilling ... I need to see this film again to recheck on few things before I can say that without a doubt this is the first masterpiece of 2007) and Before The Devil Knows You're Dead A-/B+ last Sunday.

I still need to see Persepolis, Grindhouse (especially Tarantino's Death Proof), Away From Her, Ratatouille, Rescue Dawn, My Blueberry Nights, Once, I'm Not There ...

You have good taste.

Antonioni's one of the best ever. Bergman's an idiot for talking shit about him repeatedly.

I don't think you necessarily need to see Grindhouse. And we all need My Blueberry Nights to come out already.

Question: Have you seen The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford? What about Zodiac? I would put those two up just about as high as No Country. Also, There Will Be Blood is as good as any of them. God damn, I can't wait to see that one again.

[wmgaretjax]

I also think you probably don't need to bother with Ratatouille...

I thought it was boring. A big step down from Incredibles.

Also, do you like Tarkovksy? Bela Tarr? You can't separate Antonioni from those guys (nor Bresson).

Good taste. good taste...

[algunz]

You just dont like silly. I still beg you to rent Supertroopers sometime.

Just cutting in . . .

Personally, I LOVE silly - but Supertroopers was just STUPID.

[full on idle]

I think you out-spazzed everyone.

Calmer than you are.

[iv3rdawG]

I also think you probably don't need to bother with Ratatouille...

I thought it was boring. A big step down from Incredibles.

Hmm, I liked it quite a bit. Although it may have been a step down from The Incredibles it was a big step up from Cars. One of Pixar's best, I think.

[schoolofruckus]

Calmer than you are.

http://www.observationdeck.org/lip_images/sub_3000.jpg

[bmack86]

Wild Strawberries is a good one, but my favorites by him are Winter Light and Through a Glass Darkly. Fuckin' bleak.

But, The Seventh Seal is really entertaining to me. I quite enjoyed it. The Magic Flute is interesting, but it's not really a "Bergman" movie.

[Yablonowitz]

Hmm, I liked it quite a bit. Although it may have been a step down from The Incredibles it was a big step up from Cars. One of Pixar's best, I think.

Ratatouille is up there. So is The Incredibles.

Nemo wins.

[iv3rdawG]

Ratatouille is up there. So is The Incredibles.

Nemo wins.

I don't know why but I just really never got into Nemo that much. Toy Story is still my number one.

[schoolofruckus]

It's not the worldview of the movie either.

Let's forget Seventh Seal for a minute, because I have at least in part.

Big fucking spoilers

What about The Virgin Spring? Why the fuck does Bergman end the film with the dad deciding to build a church to the lord after finding his daughter? I'm either missing something huge, or I'm seeing a good, bleak movie about spiritual uncertainty wuss out at the very end.

[wmgaretjax]

Let's forget Seventh Seal for a minute, because I have at least in part.

Big fucking spoilers

What about The Virgin Spring? Why the fuck does Bergman end the film with the dad deciding to build a church to the lord after finding his daughter? I'm either missing something huge, or I'm seeing a good, bleak movie about spiritual uncertainty wuss out at the very end.

how is it wussing out to show how stupid people are when they aren't in a position where they feel forced to question their circumstance? pretty bleak if you ask me...

[rage patton]

I am watching Ratatouille with my girlfried this weekend. After that I will be able to fully rate all the Pixar movies.
We are also watching Paris Je T'aime. Good idea? Bad idea?

[wmgaretjax]

I am watching Ratatouille with my girlfried this weekend. After that I will be able to fully rate all the Pixar movies.
We are also watching Paris Je T'aime. Good idea? Bad idea?

I did not like it for the most part. The Gus Van Sant segment was great.

Oh, and Gabe, I'm gonna try and see Southland Tales this weekend... I'm excited.

[menikmati]

I want to see Bee Movie.

[iv3rdawG]

We are also watching Paris Je T'aime. Good idea? Bad idea?

I liked it. I particulary enjoyed Alexander Payne's segment aswell as Tom Tykwer's, Faubourg Saint-Denis, the one with Portman. Also Place des Fêtes. The only one that I really disliked in the movie was Porte de Choisy.

[idrive1life]

You have good taste

Thanks. I don't know how many times I've posted in this thread (thanks & +100 to you for starting this great thread) but it's only now that I finally able to read your fantastic recap of 2006 (I'm in pretty much agreement with what you put out there). I just realized there are so many films you mentioned there that I must see ... like right now (instead of posting/hanging out in this board) or tomorrow or next weekend ... arrrghhhhhh, so many movies, so little time. I don't have the time to read the other 100 pages to determine if you finally saw United 93 (one of my very best of '06).

Question: Have you seen The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford? What about Zodiac? I would put those two up just about as high as No Country. Also, There Will Be Blood is as good as any of them. God damn, I can't wait to see that one again.

I have not seen The Assassination of Jesse James. For some reason, though it generally got rave reviews, I don't know why I forgot to watch it. Maybe because we always end up choosing to watch what we thought are more interesting than TAoJJ. I don't see it showing anymore in our local theaters (around NE FL or Orlando, FL area). I'll just probably watch it in pay per view or once it comes out in DVD.

I like Zodiac B+ quite a bit, however, I found it a bit too long and not as suspenseful or thrilling as I hoped it would be. Though I'm disappointed with Panic Room, I still think David Fincher is one of the most exciting American directors of the last 12 years or so (along with Tarantino, Hanson, Paul Thomas Anderson ... ? I'm forgetting somebody again ... Wes Anderson is hit or miss for me).

[schoolofruckus]

Darren Aronofsky? David O. Russell? *cough* Judd Apatow?

I never saw United '93. Like you with Jesse James, it's one that I always meant to but just never did. I need to get on that, though.

[schoolofruckus]

how is it wussing out to show how stupid people are when they aren't in a position where they feel forced to question their circumstance? pretty bleak if you ask me...

I thought it was wussing out to show dad getting pissed off and questioning God (in that great, Ang Lee-highlighted behind shot) and then turn around and say "I will build you a church even though I do not understand your plan". I didn't get how it enhanced the theme of faith being blindly adhered to in the best of times and abandoned in the worst.

[idrive1life]

Darren Aronofsky? David O. Russell? *cough* Judd Apatow?

DUH! Somebody is still missing ... *sigh* and *arrrrgh* I'm getting old lol

Spike Jonze?

Bingo! *and Spike Lee, I think* <- need to check if he is within those years

[schoolofruckus]

Spike Jonze?

[wmgaretjax]

I'll watch Virgin Spring again and try and do my best at a defense of it.

I hated United 93. It was meaningless, exploitive (not of victims, of sentiments by general public at the time), and a waste of time and money.

[schoolofruckus]

Bingo! *and Spike Lee, I think* <- need to check if he is within those years

Nope. Not even close (he started over 20 years ago). But he is generally pretty awesome, Inside Man aside.

[idrive1life]

Just checked that's right, Spike Lee has been directing for >20 years. I <3 him though.

[idrive1life]

DUH! He made Do The Right Thing and Malcom X (among his very best along with 25th Hour ... Bamboozled is so underrated) like ages ago ... 80s and early 90s respectively. lol There must be one (you hit the jackpot with Jonze but then I realized somebody is still missing) and I'm pretty sure it's not Allen or Altman or Kubrick. heh heh

Inside Man is one of my must-sees out of '06. I don't care about the reviews it got or whatever ...

Edit: It's not Sofia (I <3 LiT and liked VS but ...) and Sodenbergh (I liked Solaris and Traffic but he has so many misses). I'm all over imdb.com now looking lol

Ahhhhhhhhhh, I'm thinking of probably either Alexander Payne (Sideways, Election, About Schmidt) and Richard Linklater (Before Sunrise and Before Sunset are magnificent plus The School of Rock and Waking Life are also my favorites vs. among his many other mediocre films). But they have been directing for > 13 years now (however, all those movies I mentioned were made less than <13 years ago) and their outputs (lately) are not as exciting as Hanson, Jonze, Fincher, Tarantino, Wes Anderson's and though not American, Nolan's.

[schoolofruckus]

I'll watch Virgin Spring again and try and do my best at a defense of it.

I hated United 93. It was meaningless, exploitive (not of victims, of sentiments by general public at the time), and a waste of time and money.

I felt like that at parts of United 93, but by the end I felt like there was more to it. I was also fucking HAMMERED, watching it at like midnight the night before Coachella '06, so I put zero faith in any of my thoughts towards it. I just want to watch it cold again. I loved what Greengrass did with Bloody Sunday, so if anyone's doing a 9/11 film these days, I'd want to see his.

You don't have to watch The Virgin Spring again just for this purpose, I really don't care that much. It was a good film up until the ending, but that one and Seventh Seal (to a much greater degree) also felt stagey and unconvincing enough that they didn't work even as entertainment. This is why I take exception to Bergman bagging on Antonioni - Antonioni's films aren't "fun" by any stretch of the imagination (except maybe The Passenger), but they're so entrancing and life-like and authentically realized on their own terms that even if you don't put much thought into the meaning behind it, they still work as an absorbing narrative experience. Then you factor in the psychological depth and the cynical poetry of contemporary life, and you have some of the best films of all time. Those two Bergman films don't work nearly as well on either level, in my opinion.

[wmgaretjax]

Sunday Blood Sunday was great.

I can understand you feel that way about Bergman, I feel like it will change with Persona and Cries and Whispers.

[Yablonowitz]

Jesus Christ, Yabs, what's your beef recently? You put Tom in your avatar and your cocksucking tripled.

Sorry, it's just that you won't fucking shut up with your cockbragging talk. It's fucking nauseating and irritating to, I'm just guessing here, most people. Yeah, we get it. You like to be crude and purposefully say things that are blatantly hateful, sexist and depraved. I'm sure you must think it's some way of actually showing that you're not. But you've made too many generalities about how horrible you think women are for me not to believe you don't get a perverse thrill from spouting that shit. It's fine for a while, but, dude, you just yap and fucking yap and fucking yap that shit all day long. It's not very clever, nor very funny nor witty. It just makes you look like an asshole. And, yeah, right, you ARE an asshole. Anyway, it just got to the point of zero tolerance when you were spouting your fucked up vile shit in the middle of a discussion with Kitt Katt and her overly generalized and essentially bs argument about Judd Apatow.

I just wish you'd learn to rein some of your hateful shit sometimes, even if you feel all edgy and shit. It's irritating because at times you seem like a completely sensible, intelligent person. People don't say shit to you because you're exhausting to have an argument with and I'm sure I will too. I just think you ought to shut your fucking yapper so you're posting about half as much. Maybe less.

[RotationSlimWang]

Wow... it's like a time machine to six months ago...


How about go fuck yourself, Greg? Seriously. Go. Fuck. Yourself. I'm tired of your love/hate bullshit. You honestly give a fuck that I make rude comments to some fucking high school girl? HONESTLY? If so, that's your malfunction, not mine.

[xXThirdManXx]

I want to see Bee Movie.


I couldn't stop fucking laughing at the trailer when I saw it. It looked like Seinfeld 2, but Bee version. Then a friend told me it was shitty, so I decided not to see that shit.

[wmgaretjax]

i would suck randy's dick... but only if he slapped me around a little first.

i know you won't approve mom... but you have to learn to accept me for who I am.

[RotationSlimWang]

Stop Jared--it's not appropriate to joke about things like that. Oh wait, if you're not a girl, then it's fine. Proceed.

[kitt kat]

[QUOTE=bmack86;352498]
But, The Seventh Seal is really entertaining to me.QUOTE]

one of my all-time favorite movies

[full on idle]

Sorry, it's just that you won't fucking shut up with your cockbragging talk. It's fucking nauseating and irritating to, I'm just guessing here, most people. Yeah, we get it. You like to be crude and purposefully say things that are blatantly hateful, sexist and depraved. I'm sure you must think it's some way of actually showing that you're not. But you've made too many generalities about how horrible you think women are for me not to believe you don't get a perverse thrill from spouting that shit. It's fine for a while, but, dude, you just yap and fucking yap and fucking yap that shit all day long. It's not very clever, nor very funny nor witty. It just makes you look like an asshole. And, yeah, right, you ARE an asshole. Anyway, it just got to the point of zero tolerance when you were spouting your fucked up vile shit in the middle of a discussion with Kitt Katt and her overly generalized and essentially bs argument about Judd Apatow.

I just wish you'd learn to rein some of your hateful shit sometimes, even if you feel all edgy and shit. It's irritating because at times you seem like a completely sensible, intelligent person. People don't say shit to you because you're exhausting to have an argument with and I'm sure I will too. I just think you ought to shut your fucking yapper so you're posting about half as much. Maybe less.

Amen. But I betcha eleventy million dollars he's not going to get it.

[kitt kat]

You honestly give a fuck that I make rude comments to some fucking high school girl?


for the last time
I'M NOT IN FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL

[RotationSlimWang]

Amen. But I betcha eleventy million dollars he's not going to get it.

...

So if she doesn't agree with you, she's not listening. Got it.

[RotationSlimWang]

for the last time
I'M NOT IN FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL

Well that's essentially why we're in the middle of this debacle--because these two old cunts have decided that it's just inappropriate to talk to a delicate young lady like yourself however I did. So tell them.

Bullshit reverse faggotry.

Also, get back to your Geometry homework.

[Calamity Jane]

Oh I get it now he's gonna hit on her.

[Deviate_420]

Signs is one of the best movies to come out in the last 10 years....

[kitt kat]

I don't think they're attacking you solely for that. From what they're saying, you're perhaps known for being a grade-A douchenugget.

But whatever. If it makes you feel good about yourself, who am I to stop you from insulting me?

[RotationSlimWang]

I don't think they're attacking you solely for that. From what they're saying, you're perhaps known for being a grade-A douchenugget.

But whatever. If it makes you feel good about yourself, who am I to stop you from insulting me?

Well, you're going to make a good wife. Congrats. =)

[Calamity Jane]

Wow.

Well, see you cocksuckers.

[kitt kat]

fucker.

[Deviate_420]

Kitt kat, your are clearly outnumbered and outgunned. I would go work on my Homework or something if I was you....

[RotationSlimWang]

FACE

[kitt kat]

i cant tell whether this is
all being sarcastic
or serious anymore

[RotationSlimWang]

Not serious. The idea was to make a point about what misogyny really is. Namely, not a Judd Apatow movie. In the process, I was hilarious, but that was unavoidable incident.

Then there were some cunts, and things got serious for a minute. But then they went away, and took the evil, misbegotten seriousness with them.

[idrive1life]

I am watching Ratatouille with my girlfried this weekend. After that I will be able to fully rate all the Pixar movies.
We are also watching Paris Je T'aime. Good idea? Bad idea?

Everything sounds good to me.

[kitt kat]

Not serious. The idea was to make a point about what misogyny really is. Namely, not a Judd Apatow movie. In the process, I was hilarious, but that was unavoidable incident.

Then there were some cunts, and things got serious for a minute. But then they went away, and took the evil, misbegotten seriousness with them.


thanks for the clarification :rolleyes:

and...PARIS JE TAIME IS AWESOME. the coen bros short is the best in the whole film, and the last one comes in a close second.

[idrive1life]

I also think you probably don't need to bother with Ratatouille...

I thought it was boring. A big step down from Incredibles.

Also, do you like Tarkovksy? Bela Tarr? You can't separate Antonioni from those guys (nor Bresson).

Good taste. good taste...

Thank you.

I need to know what's so good about Ratatouille. Though I've seen it got high review scores, I have no idea what it's all about. Re: animation films, I'm a big big fan of Miyazaki, Les Triplettes de Belville, Iron Giant and The Incredibles.

Of course, I also love Tarkovsky and Bresson (plus Renoir, Godard, Carne, Dreyer, Murnau, Fellini, Wilder, Polanski, Ozu, Rohmer, Ray, Eisenstein, Kieslowski ... those are some of my muses/heroes in films! Bela Tarr, yeah holy shit! Satantango etc. were almost at the top of my netflix or greencine queue when I made a sudden decision to spend all my money and time again on music ... seeing live gigs & even broadway plays.