Schoolio's Movie Corner

[schoolofruckus]

... how does the entire movie being based on it stop it from being contrived? Oh, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Revolver hinge on yet another instance of Guy Ritchie's famous "while gambling with a rich and dangerous mob boss, the main character is forced into accepting a sizable loan from said boss to cover a bet" scenario? That other incredibly preposterous scenario?

Because contrived means that it's forced or unnatural. Since it is the very nature of the movie, it cannot, by definition, be unnatural.

Preposterous is another matter, and one that, if it's a hang-up, would have to pretty much ruin any Guy Ritchie movie for you. Do you hate Lock, Stock and Snatch equally?

[woogie846]

I just watched Fearless Freaks. Wayne Coyne is the coolest guy on the planet. The heroine scene with Steven was one of the saddest things I've ever watched.

[thinnerair]

The Wire > Buffy


I just watched "Im Not There" and was expecting much more of a Dylan bio. Even though it was fairly damn long of a movie, it was pretty entertaining....but I dont think I ll ever need to see it again.

[schoolofruckus]

I am currently listening to "Days of Being Wild" by ...Trail of Dead but I am not sure it is helping any. I searched hype machine for Bryan Ferry's "In The Mood for Love" but came up empty.

But, yeah. I think I knew going in that 2046 was part of a semi-trilogy but I figured it would be more like the New Jersey trilogy or The Three Colors trilogy or somesuch... looking into it it appears that it is more related than that.

The C/P was mostly a joke; I would not have gone that far. It was a little confusing but I take it that it is supposed to be somewhat ambiguous.

One thing that really struck me was Chow's comments that love is all about timing; he was blaming the falling apart of his affairs on that wherein what was really happening was that he was still in love with the last woman he had been with but was mean to to not be mean to the current woman. It's that he was stuck in the past, expecting everything to be like before.

Which kind of makes me think there was a bit of a critical backlash to "In the Mood for Love," people expecting it to be more like "Days of Being Wild." But that's just idle speculation. It could easily've been Wong Kar Wai expecting a backlash to some of the odd elements of "2046." Or something else entirely. Or nothing at all.


But what was really going on with me seeing them in the wrong order was that Blockbuster sucks and doesn't have anything. I went into looking for something by Sokurov or that Italian guy that is dead but they had nothing. I almost texted you, Gabe, using that phrasing to ask for the name but it wouldn't've helped; they literally had no more than 40 foreign films and I would've recognized it had I seen it.

This is what Netflix, Amazon, etc are doing to the big name rental places. They have a ton of copies of the new and popular stuff, some of the new and more indie stuff, little that is old or rare and almost nothing that is both.

I really can't stand Blockbuster. I duck in there occasionally to buy their previously viewed discs, but going in there to find a rental is almost without purpose unless it's a new release.

I imagine the video stores out here would blow your mind.

[RotationSlimWang]

Because contrived means that it's forced or unnatural. Since it is the very nature of the movie, it cannot, by definition, be unnatural.

Preposterous is another matter, and one that, if it's a hang-up, would have to pretty much ruin any Guy Ritchie movie for you. Do you hate Lock, Stock and Snatch equally?

Not quite. It's made a bit more egregious by the fact that Ritchie already did that storyline in Lock. But yes, it was fucking absurd in Lock too. It was just excused a bit by an otherwise engaging and not absurdly contrived storyline.

Contrived in the sense we're using it here requires a slightly more nuanced definition:

con·trived Audio Help (kən-trīvd') Pronunciation Key
adj. Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.

Do you see now what I mean? Ritchie couldn't come up with a more plausible, logical way for the character to end up deep in debt to a dangerous person. And he also couldn't come up with any kind of self-contained, "organic" (hate to use the word but hard to come up with suitable replacements) justification for the main character to have split personalities. In Fight Club it makes sense in a certain way--the story is about the duality of man. Revolver is not, and this unexplained, pointless, extraneous interjection of the split psyche is utter hack work.

[schoolofruckus]

you really need to change you avatar. Seriously, Danny Bonadouche makes me upchuck a little bit.

Seriously, with his ginger ass.

Ew, SICK! GROSS!

[PotVsKtl]

Redbelt was Mamet.

[Mr.Nipples]

strange, no?

[whynotsmile99]

I just watched Fearless Freaks. Wayne Coyne is the coolest guy on the planet. The heroine scene with Steven was one of the saddest things I've ever watched.

i remember that scene well. that truly was heartbreaking. So, so sad and disturbing.

Have you seen Tarnation by any chance? The entire movie is about as sad/disturbing as that one scene. Incredible film however.

[schoolofruckus]

Not quite. It's made a bit more egregious by the fact that Ritchie already did that storyline in Lock. But yes, it was fucking absurd in Lock too. It was just excused a bit by an otherwise engaging and not absurdly contrived storyline.

Contrived in the sense we're using it here requires a slightly more nuanced definition:

con·trived Audio Help (kən-trīvd') Pronunciation Key
adj. Obviously planned or calculated; not spontaneous or natural; labored: a novel with a contrived ending.

Do you see now what I mean? Ritchie couldn't come up with a more plausible, logical way for the character to end up deep in debt to a dangerous person. And he also couldn't come up with any kind of self-contained, "organic" (hate to use the word but hard to come up with suitable replacements) justification for the main character to have split personalities. In Fight Club it makes sense in a certain way--the story is about the duality of man. Revolver is not, and this unexplained, pointless, extraneous interjection of the split psyche is utter hack work.

With that as our definition, sure. It's contrived. It was definitely planned as the direction the film was going to take.

I see nothing wrong with the word "organic" - that's exactly what you're talking about.

I don't believe that the psychological twist was a solution that came late in the conception of the movie; I think it's pretty evident that the movie was based on that very idea from the jump. Whether or not you think it was done well is another matter. I don't think it was great or even particularly impressive in its execution. But I liked it as an alternative dimension for a Guy Ritchie movie.

Also, the movie is not nearly good enough or bad enough to be the center of this much debate. Which brings me to the real issue: what the fuck did you think of Inglourious Basterds?

[schoolofruckus]

Redbelt was Mamet.

You think so? I thought it could have definitely stood to be moreso.

[RotationSlimWang]

Haven't gotten around to it yet. Perhaps a little bit reserved about the whole matter. I read the script for Kill Bill way before the movie came out and am still not sure how I feel about having done so. I guess it didn't really bother my enjoyment that much and lord knows I ain't waiting 2 years sitting on this script, but... eh, fuck it, I'm unemployed now. What else am I gonna do?

Sighs.

[schoolofruckus]

i remember that scene well. that truly was heartbreaking. So, so sad and disturbing.

Have you seen Tarnation by any chance? The entire movie is about as sad/disturbing as that one scene. Incredible film however.

Tarnation is flat-out amazing. I think that might be my favorite documentary ever.

[schoolofruckus]

Haven't gotten around to it yet. Perhaps a little bit reserved about the whole matter. I read the script for Kill Bill way before the movie came out and am still not sure how I feel about having done so. I guess it didn't really bother my enjoyment that much and lord knows I ain't waiting 2 years sitting on this script, but... eh, fuck it, I'm unemployed now. What else am I gonna do?

Sighs.

Did you have any real problems with Kill Bill? Because so help me God, if your blind-QT-worshipping, no-good-Death Proof-loving ass was any less than in love with Kill Bill, I'll grind your bones to make my bread.

Although, I do understand the impulse to, as a film fan, resist reading screenplays prior to viewing the movie itself. I have yet to read There Will Be Blood even though I had it well before it came out.

[RotationSlimWang]

Part 1 was the best thing I'd seen since Trainspotting, not counting City of God. Kinda reinvigorated my interest in finishing my script. Almost as life-affirming an experience as Pulp was.

[PotVsKtl]

You think so? I thought it could have definitely stood to be moreso.

That wasn't really a statement of praise. Mamet is all over the place in my estimation so I always get what I expect. It almost felt like he was parodying himself in parts. Or possibly Hal Hartley.

[PotVsKtl]

I loved Death Proof.

[RotationSlimWang]

Word.

[bmack86]

Same.

I had so much fun watching it in theatres. It was entertaining as hell.

[schoolofruckus]

I can't understand what I'm missing with Death Proof, that so many people of such varied sensibilities can think it was that great, and yet I had to slap myself to keep from turning it off.

[thinnerair]

The car sequence at the end of Death Proof is fucking incredible.

[whynotsmile99]

Tarnation is flat-out amazing. I think that might be my favorite documentary ever.

oh its up there for me as well. it's just so incredibly soul crushing I couldn't get around to watching it more than twice. I've never been so absorbed and so disturbed by a any film before. To think it was all made for 200 bucks...I was on the verge of tears at times. Amazing piece of work

[whynotsmile99]

I can't understand what I'm missing with Death Proof, that so many people of such varied sensibilities can think it was that great, and yet I had to slap myself to keep from turning it off.

i liked Death Proof a lot. I didn't like how they cut the lap dance scene. If they needed to trim the fat, cut the boring talking scene in the coffee shop. That "reel missing" shit cheated us out of a good lap dance scene. I need to see the extended cut and catch that already. is it any good?

[bmack86]

I can't understand what I'm missing with Death Proof, that so many people of such varied sensibilities can think it was that great, and yet I had to slap myself to keep from turning it off.

It seemed, to me, like Quentin having a great time, and that joy of making a cheesy movie bled thru to the film. It felt like watching an early slasher film with how nuts it was, with the sudden turnaround in th end.

[woogie846]

i remember that scene well. that truly was heartbreaking. So, so sad and disturbing.

Have you seen Tarnation by any chance? The entire movie is about as sad/disturbing as that one scene. Incredible film however.

I haven't seen Tarnation, but I've great things about it. I'll have to put it on my Netflix list.

[RotationSlimWang]

Gabe, I'd like to know what the fuck is wrong with you that Death Proof had you pulling your hair out but somehow Revolver was tolerable myself.

[woogie846]

The Wire > Buffy


I just watched "Im Not There" and was expecting much more of a Dylan bio. Even though it was fairly damn long of a movie, it was pretty entertaining....but I dont think I ll ever need to see it again.

I got it in the mail a couple of days ago. I need to find the time to watch it so I can send it back. How was the acting?

[SoulDischarge]

Indecent Proposal - There is no actual scene of Demi Moore sobbing as she gets anally violated by Robert Redford. +1 point for a sex scene on a pile of money involving two of the most mediocre looking actors ever in Hollywood. 1/10

[amyzzz]

re: Buffy, I am 2 episodes away from watching the entire series, and I must agree with Randy that it has some of the best writing around, and some of the acting is phenomenal too (love the Spike character). Once I finish off season 3, I will be done, then I'm moving on to Angel. (I started on season 4-7, then continued with season 1-3). I think seasons 2, 3, 4, and 6 are the best (love evil Willow and Buffy & Spike's thing).

[Tylerdurden31]

Funny Games...good idea, interesting shots, interesting dialog. The actual plot and story was fucking terrible. I can't remember if I've ever seen a movie actually Jump the Shark. I did love the song they used though. Sounded like Gwar or something.

[mountmccabe]

I really can't stand Blockbuster. I duck in there occasionally to buy their previously viewed discs, but going in there to find a rental is almost without purpose unless it's a new release.

I imagine the video stores out here would blow your mind.

I haven't rented anything in a while. I guess maybe a few new release type things with my brother. They used to be better but yeah, they're near worthless. There just isn't an independant option anywhere near me.

Movies on Central is maybe 12 miles away so even though they had (it's been a while) a good selection of foreign and art films it would be a pain renting from there. Also Casa Video in Tucson was (probably still is, if it's still there) amazing. But it's been a long time since I've lived in Tucson.

But yeah, I can only imagine what the rental stores around you would be like.

I don't watch enough movies for my own Netflix but I've considered paying a couple bucks a month or something to leech off my roommate's account. Hmm.

[Hopeless Semantic]

Saw Be Kind Rewind featuring Jack Black and Mos Def the other day, and really enjoyed it after the beginning. It started out slow and after finding its path plotwise, smartened up and offered a real kinda heartwarming identity. Jack Black is still his old self, but Mos Def was equally funny and even though he's not the best actor, he does his best. I would recommend this movie to anyone who wants some relief from the anticipation of The Dark Knight.

[whynotsmile99]

I haven't rented anything in a while. I guess maybe a few new release type things with my brother. They used to be better but yeah, they're near worthless. There just isn't an independant option anywhere near me.

Movies on Central is maybe 12 miles away so even though they had (it's been a while) a good selection of foreign and art films it would be a pain renting from there. Also Casa Video in Tucson was (probably still is, if it's still there) amazing. But it's been a long time since I've lived in Tucson.

But yeah, I can only imagine what the rental stores around you would be like.

I don't watch enough movies for my own Netflix but I've considered paying a couple bucks a month or something to leech off my roommate's account. Hmm.

just do the cheap option. i think its like 4 bucks a month. So much better than going to Blockbuster, if you are interested in any foreign or classic film. Even for straight up Hollywood, netflix is better

[mountmccabe]

just do the cheap option. i think its like 4 bucks a month. So much better than going to Blockbuster, if you are interested in any foreign or classic film. Even for straight up Hollywood, netflix is better

Whoah. I had no idea that was an option.

$4.99 a month for 1 DVD at a time, 2 per month. And only $8.99 for one at a time, unlimited per month.

[downingthief]

Whoah. I had no idea that was an option.

$4.99 a month for 1 DVD at a time, 2 per month. And only $8.99 for one at a time, unlimited per month.

John, we do the $8.99 unlimited. It's perfect for us. I highly recommend.

[iv3rdawG]

3 disc set (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/forgetting-sarah-marshall2.html) of Forgetting Sarah Marshall coming out. Awesome.

[schoolofruckus]

I watched Godard's Contempt at the Nuart tonight. Pretty damn fine film. I think it was a little beyond my grasp at first - the early parts of it didn't really appeal to me, because as much as I love movies and the making of movies, I don't particularly love movies about making movies. But the middle "act" in the couple's apartment was top shelf, and the ending was great. Ultimately, I prefer the more madman aspects of Godard's work, but this is a fine appropriation of his style in a more conventional setting.

[wmgaretjax]

I watched Godard's Contempt at the Nuart tonight. Pretty damn fine film. I think it was a little beyond my grasp at first - the early parts of it didn't really appeal to me, because as much as I love movies and the making of movies, I don't particularly love movies about making movies. But the middle "act" in the couple's apartment was top shelf, and the ending was great. Ultimately, I prefer the more madman aspects of Godard's work, but this is a fine appropriation of his style in a more conventional setting.

I think Godard was really intrigued by Truffaut's obsession with self-referential film in this regard, and that's where this was coming from. I really enjoy this movie because I'm a sucker for Godard, but I can understand why it's a little tough to get into.

[woogie846]

I just watched Be Kind Rewind. It was fun, not great, but I liked it.

[rage patton]

I love Death Proof. Planet Terror was a fun film, but Death Proof is far superior. The chase scene at the end is incredible. However, basically everyone I know hates Death Proof.

Also, I watched In Bruges twice over the weekend. I loved it.

[Pixiessp]

Death Proof is a great movie. The scene where Kurt Russell rams into the car with the girls and the ensuing carnage(in slow mo no doubt) made me jump out of my chair twice.

[wmgaretjax]

Also, I watched In Bruges twice over the weekend. I loved it.

I also loved this, especially the first half.

[kreutz2112]

hey, I just watched that last night! I really liked Colin Farrel in it. I also thought it was great when him and Harry were arguing about what way they were going to shoot at each other and avoid the hotel owner.

[rage patton]

What I loved about it was how real the whole movie felt. All the chatter that went on between the characters that seemingly went nowhere was really entertaining. It was also very witty and very clever. I never knew I could love Colin Farrel so much. "Thats for John Lennon, you Yankee fucking cunt!"

[kreutz2112]

edit: GOOD POINT!!!!


I have to watch it again, like tomorrow.

[rage patton]

SHHHHH! Don't ruin it!

I love Ray and Ken's coversation about the attack with a bottle and knowing karate. Then how situations both happen later where... nevermind. Now I am going to spoil it.

[kreutz2112]

haha, lets just leave it at, it was a good fucking movie.

[Down Rodeo]

I recently re-watched Dark City, and I'm prepared to say that it's an underrated science fiction masterpiece. The incorporation of film noir, German expressionism, carrying on the tradition of movies like Metropolis and Blade Runner...all add up to a wholly original and thought-provoking (not to mention entertaining) movie dealing with consciousness, free will and human ingenuity. I can only hope that in due time this film will get the credit it deserves.

[wmgaretjax]

I recently re-watched Dark City, and I'm prepared to say that it's an underrated science fiction masterpiece. The incorporation of film noir, German expressionism, carrying on the tradition of movies like Metropolis and Blade Runner...all add up to a wholly original and thought-provoking (not to mention entertaining) movie dealing with consciousness, free will and human ingenuity. I can only hope that in due time this film will get the credit it deserves.

I remember loving this film when I first saw who knows how many years ago. I'm gonna have to track it down.

[Backwater]

I can only hope that in due time this film will get the credit it deserves.


It already has. I don't know any film buff that denies the greatness of Dark City. Then again I'm young so maybe your generations hasn't re-discovered it's yet but they will.

[Tylerdurden31]

I'm pretty sure I saw Dark City in the theaters when I was 17. 10 years ago...damn. I remember liking it, but then when I saw it again on DVD I remember thinking it was fucking brilliant. Dark City definitely doesn't get enough attention

[amyzzz]

I hated Dark City when I first saw it, but I have since then re-watched it, and I appreciate it a lot more.

[schoolofruckus]

I think Godard was really intrigued by Truffaut's obsession with self-referential film in this regard, and that's where this was coming from. I really enjoy this movie because I'm a sucker for Godard, but I can understand why it's a little tough to get into.

I liked it a lot, too. I just felt like the direct conflict between husband and wife was more absorbing than the parts about making a film of "The Odyssey", crucial as they were to that central conflict.

[schoolofruckus]

Also, I saw Dark City a year ago and thought it was outstanding.

[sikiboy]

Rocknrolla looks awesome..

[humanoid]

I recently re-watched Dark City, and I'm prepared to say that it's an underrated science fiction masterpiece. The incorporation of film noir, German expressionism, carrying on the tradition of movies like Metropolis and Blade Runner...all add up to a wholly original and thought-provoking (not to mention entertaining) movie dealing with consciousness, free will and human ingenuity. I can only hope that in due time this film will get the credit it deserves.

great fucking movie

[iv3rdawG]

Watched Thank You for Smoking again yesterday. Love that film.

[humanoid]

Has anyone seen Mongol? I saw it last week and thought it was great. First in a trilogy examining the life of Genghis Khan... very well done, beautiful film

[KungFuJoe]

I saw Mongol. I enjoyed it but was underwhelmed. Had I known it was going to be part of a trilogy though I might've had a different view because the movie left me wanting more and I felt it moved along too fast. It's good to know there will be two more films. I'm game. Tadanobu Asano is great.

[chairmenmeow47]

my dad and i really want to see mongol, but our schedules never lineup. phooey.

[thinnerair]

Anyone know anything about this "HELL RIDE" flick?

From Filmdrunk:
Starring Vinnie Jones, Michael “Yeats” Madsen, Dennis Hopper, and David Carradine, Hell Ride is writer/director Larry Bishop’s biker movie homage to spaghetti westerns. And by that I mean it’s a movie that looks like something Tarantino or Rodriguez would’ve made, and that’s probably why Tarantino put his name on it. It opens August 8th.

I’m not sure if this is something I’ll like, or a contrived, cartoony mashup of things I’m supposed to like. I mean, I’m all for a movie full of guns and tits and stuff, but not if it’s gonna call me a fag and chuck beer cans at my head when I try to watch Bravo.

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[Down Rodeo]

I saw Mongol and loved it. A little light on character depth, but great entertainment nonetheless.

[KungFuJoe]

Anyone know anything about this "HELL RIDE" flick?

From Filmdrunk:
Starring Vinnie Jones, Michael “Yeats” Madsen, Dennis Hopper, and David Carradine, Hell Ride is writer/director Larry Bishop’s biker movie homage to spaghetti westerns. And by that I mean it’s a movie that looks like something Tarantino or Rodriguez would’ve made, and that’s probably why Tarantino put his name on it. It opens August 8th.

I’m not sure if this is something I’ll like, or a contrived, cartoony mashup of things I’m supposed to like. I mean, I’m all for a movie full of guns and tits and stuff, but not if it’s gonna call me a fag and chuck beer cans at my head when I try to watch Bravo.

8wT88mu7LGg

Tarantino actuallly had his hands more in this film than just stamping his name on it. I know the guy who plays the young Vinnie Jones in this film and he had some funny stories of Quentin on set. I figured this would go straight to dvd & I totally forgot about it. Looks like a lot more fun than I originally anticipated.

[Mr. Dylanja]

I know the guy who plays the young Vinnie Jones in this film and he had some funny stories of Quentin on set.

How about sharing one of those stories?

[corbo]

trying to watch Tarnation was like trying to watch a two hour long Chris Crocker youtube video. there was nothing "amazing" about it.

[iv3rdawG]

New trailer for The Spirit (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809838857/video/8831867).

[wmgaretjax]

trying to watch Tarnation was like trying to watch a two hour long Chris Crocker youtube video. there was nothing "amazing" about it.

you are a fool.

[tessalasset]

i finally saw diving bell and butterfly. it was ok. i only teared up barely when the dad was crying with him on the phone. i thought it was gonna be way sadder.

[RotationSlimWang]

Somebody recommend something funny or otherwise entertaining to download. Just got Forgetting Sarah Marshall, want more entertainment.

[luckyface]

Somebody recommend something funny or otherwise entertaining to download. Just got Forgetting Sarah Marshall, want more entertainment.

The Love Guru and/or Meet Dave.

[woogie846]

I just watched Training Day. Hot damn is that a good movie.

[thinnerair]

I saw Training Day the last week for the first time.
I was entertained. It was action packed.

[schoolofruckus]

trying to watch Tarnation was like trying to watch a two hour long Chris Crocker youtube video. there was nothing "amazing" about it.

i finally saw diving bell and butterfly. it was ok. i only teared up barely when the dad was crying with him on the phone. i thought it was gonna be way sadder.

Was it heretic hour in here last night?

Although, if you're going to offer a contrarian slam of a great movie, calling Tarnation a two hour Chris Crocker video is probably the most hilarious way you could go about it.

[full on idle]

Turned off Diving Bell and Butterfly about 10 minutes in. Yawn.

3 days until Dark Knight IMAX EXTREMEEEEEEEEEE

[wmgaretjax]

Turned off Diving Bell and Butterfly about 10 minutes in. Yawn.

3 days until Dark Knight IMAX 3-D EXTREMEEEEEEEEEE

for shame.

[full on idle]

I won't be shamed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rage patton]

Wait... Dark Night in IMAX is 3D?

[iv3rdawG]

No.

[full on idle]

haha no. I just got too excited with how EXTREMEEEEEEEE

[Young blood]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/WHOtheHELLhasJAYCHUCK/wiispaz_anonib.gif

[rage patton]

The midnight Dark Night show by my place to IMAX is sold out, but I am still going to a regular showing at midnight. I am excited.

[Blinken]

Midnight Imax in Irvine. Can't wait.

[whynotsmile99]

Turned off Diving Bell and Butterfly about 10 minutes in. Yawn.

3 days until Dark Knight IMAX EXTREMEEEEEEEEEE

how the hell could you do that? The first 10 minutes are riveting.

I just watched "Batman Begins" it holds up so well. So pumped for for tomorrow night

[iv3rdawG]

Watching it again tonight on Blu-Ray with some friends. Should be awesome.

[menikmati]

I like Batman Begins, but there are a lot of problems with it too.

[iv3rdawG]

Terminator Salvation trailer:

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And here: http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/8841507/standardformat/

[shakermaker113]

that trailer's going to be shown at every screening of the batman film this weekend.

[chairmenmeow47]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g146/WHOtheHELLhasJAYCHUCK/wiispaz_anonib.gif

i'm shocked i can actually see something you posted at work :p

[rage patton]

That was pulled from youtube quick. The trailer looks pretty cool... I just can't see how a Terminator movie without Arnie is going to work.

[davrone]

Finally saw The Straight Story. Richard Farnsworth is God!

[humanoid]

Finally saw The Straight Story. Richard Farnsworth is God!

he is? I've always thought god didn't really exist...and he's been right here the whole damn time!

[amyzzz]

He got the oscar nomination for that role.

[Down Rodeo]

Finally saw The Straight Story. Richard Farnsworth is God!

Excellent, excellent movie.

[schoolofruckus]

I like Batman Begins, but there are a lot of problems with it too.

I would definitely be thrilled if The Dark Knight eschewed the excessive expository speeches and chaotic cutting during fight sequences.

[schoolofruckus]

Terminator Salvation trailer:

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And here: http://movies.yahoo.com/premieres/8841507/standardformat/

You know....fuck it. That trailer looks pretty damn cool. If it's an accurate capsule of the tone of the film, then that's definitely something to be excited about.

[Hopeless Semantic]

So, being that I'm not by any means a film expert--I had a recent debate over which movie was better overall...Elephant or Brick...I went with Brick because to me, it was the better developed and was the better story told. I could have been wrong--but that was/is one of my faves, too. So bias may have played a part.

[humanoid]

So, being that I'm not by any means a film expert--I had a recent debate over which movie was better overall...Elephant or Brick...I went with Brick because to me, it was the better developed and was the better story told. I could have been wrong--but that was/is one of my faves, too. So bias may have played a part.

I personally liked Brick a lot more than Elephant. It was simply a much more interesting story in mu opinion

[schoolofruckus]

So, being that I'm not by any means a film expert--I had a recent debate over which movie was better overall...Elephant or Brick...I went with Brick because to me, it was the better developed and was the better story told. I could have been wrong--but that was/is one of my faves, too. So bias may have played a part.

It depends on what you're looking for. In my opinion, Brick is far more entertaining. Elephant is far more impactful as a study of isolation and the suddenness of violence. Brick is also better written - telling a more focused story, with more fully-drawn characters and snappier dialogue - whereas Elephant is the superior example of visual storytelling.

Both films are great. At the end of the day, I'd have to say I prefer Elephant. But as long as choosing one doesn't mean dismissing the other, there is no wrong way to go.

[bmack86]

Yesterday I watched Solyaris and Cars. Cars was a good way to just relax with some lighthearted and easy to digest film. It was beautiful, as all the Pixar films are, but the story wasn't as there. I enjoyed it, and I'd gladly watch it again, and it's better than 90% of childrens movies, but it's definitely not the best Pixar film.

Solyaris is a mindfuck. I loved it. To this point, I'd only watched Tarkovsky's first two films, Ivan's Childhood and Andrei Rublev. I loved the way he took his long, meditative shots and expert mood-setting and applied it to what can loosely be called a Science Fiction story. The basic plot is very much Sci Fi, but, due to the way he deals with the idea of love and the problems of consciousness, he turns it into much more. I had heard that many people consider it the 2001 of Soviet film; I can only see that on the most basic level, in that they are both rich, contemplative pieces disguised as Sci Fi films. However, Solyaris deals much more with the particulars of humanity, and displays a much more focused view than 2001.

I need to see it again to really grab onto most of the film, but I know that it was great.

[schoolofruckus]

Awesome to hear about Solyaris. I have it coming from Netflix today, actually.

[bmack86]

I wanna see the Soderbergh version now, just to compare. After viewing it, I realized how fucked up the bulk of the story is, and how twisted it can be. Tarkovsky portrays it so starkly that the disturbing nature doesn't come out until you think about it for awhile.

[schoolofruckus]

Yeah, I don't think the Soderbergh was going for that effect. I haven't seen Tarkovsky's yet, but I gather they are definitely taking a different approach.

[mountmccabe]

Event Horizon should be considered a version of the same movie, too. A terrible version.

I haven't seen Soderbergh's and I don't right want to. I'd much rather read the book. But, damn, I'd rather read Lem than do a lot of things. Shit, now I wanna re-read The Futurological Congress. That's one of the funniest things I've ever read, fuck.

I do want to see Tarkovsky's again, though. It's been over a decade. Other Tarkovsky should probably be higher up on the queue, though. I've only seen this one and Rublev. But damn, both are just stunning.

[Down Rodeo]

I remember having a similar initial reaction to Solaris, like what the fuck did I just watch. I did really enjoy most of the movie, but it seems like a lot to take in on first viewing. I think this is one I should definitely revisit in the future to fully appreciate what Tarkovsky was trying to convey. The final sequence is phenomenal, by the way.

Also, after I saw it my roommate basically dismissed the entire movie just because he thought a lot of the scenes were too long, and the scene in particular with Kelvin driving was "boring". That kind of analysis really bugs me because it ignores most of the content in a film by focusing on minor flaws. Oh well, just a thought.

[wmgaretjax]

The Soderbergh version is actually a respectable attempt at recreating it, a little easier to swallow, but worth checking out.

Now... "Stalker" and "Mirror" are the next two Tarkovsky films to check out (those with "Solyaris" round up my top three Tarkovsky films).

For the record, "Solyaris" regularly vies for my favorite film of all time.

[bmack86]

I found Stalker for a reasonable price awhile back, so I own a copy and that's the next up on my queue

[Mr. Dylanja]

Soooooooo should I see Hancock or Hellboy tonight?

Or Forbidden Kingdom at the cheap theatre???

[wmgaretjax]

I found Stalker for a reasonable price awhile back, so I own a copy and that's the next up on my queue

I have a serious bit of trivia about the film that helps to contextualize some of it's bizarre features. I'll tell you after you've thrown in your two cents. You might already know....

[iv3rdawG]

Soooooooo should I see Hancock or Hellboy tonight?

Hellboy II by far.

[Down Rodeo]

I have a serious bit of trivia about the film that helps to contextualize some of it's bizarre features. I'll tell you after you've thrown in your two cents. You might already know....

I'm interested in hearing this.

[bmack86]

I have a serious bit of trivia about the film that helps to contextualize some of it's bizarre features. I'll tell you after you've thrown in your two cents. You might already know....

If you wanna post it in here, I just won't report back until I've watched it, as I'll be gone for the weekend and won't be able to view anything until I get back from Pitchfork Fest.

[Somewhat Damaged]

I just watched "Batman Begins" it holds up so well. So pumped for for tomorrow night

I rented it last night in anticipation of tomorrow's midnight screening. I wasn't so bothered by Katie Holmes back when I saw the film in theaters, but man, is she an annoying bitch as Rachel Dawes. All she basically does is act self-righteous towards Bruce. But she's really the only aspect of the film that bothered me, even a few years later. Can't wait for 12:01!

he is? I've always thought god didn't really exist...and he's been right here the whole damn time!

Haha, what's funny about Richard Farnsworth being declared God is that he committed suicide a few years back. Guess what Nietzche said is true.

[RotationSlimWang]

I just started reading Inglorious Basterds [sic]. After the first scene I am once again overwhelmed with love of my man Quentin, although for fuck's sake I practically want to retype the whole thing myself just to have a version without all the glaring spelling mistakes.

[Blinken]

LOL I haven't started reading it yet can't decide if i really want to read it, and not be surprised in the theater. but how the hell did he misspell the title of the film??

[RotationSlimWang]

The man, although supposedly an avid reader, is goddamn borderline illiterate when it comes to spelling. Like 10 times worse than anyone who posts on this board easily. Has a real gift for stringing words together but can't spell a goddamn thing.

[sbessiso]

I knew you'd read it Randy, I'm still debating it, I can never stay away from spoilers but I don't wanna know the whole movie just quite yet

[RotationSlimWang]

I wouldn't recommend it. Unless you're really accustomed to reading scripts it's a very disappointing experience. Delete them if you already downloaded, wait for the man to unveil his true gift as a director.

EDIT: Not saying that this script itself is particularly disappointing, just that all scripts in general (unless you read a lot of them) are pretty fucking lame.

[sbessiso]

No, I know what you mean. I'm pretty used to the script format (I used to be really into this stuff). Anyway, this movie has been in talks for so long, I feel like It deserves to be seen in its full form, like you said, wait 'till Tarantino fucks our brains out with it. (I paraphrased)

[amyzzz]

I loved Soderbergh's Solaris, haven't seen the original yet. I thought that one was a mindfuck, so I'm really interested now to see the original.

(and Event Horizon is fucking awesome, John)

[algunz]

I read the IB script and it's interesting, but I agree that I can't get too into it until I see the visual telling of it. Reading Tarantino's movies just can't hold a candle to seeing them.

[whynotsmile99]

I loved Soderbergh's Solaris, haven't seen the original yet. I thought that one was a mindfuck, so I'm really interested now to see the original.

(and Event Horizon is fucking awesome, John)

yea, same here. I really liked the remake so I need to see the original. I remember when it came out how big a bomb it was. It was marketed like some sort of Alien movie. I saw it opening day with a theater full of teenagers. Half the fuckers walked out during the first half, the others stayed in and talked. Bastards

[iv3rdawG]

Watchmen (http://www.empireonline.com/video/watchmen/) trailer.

[amyzzz]

I saw Solaris when it first came out too! I remember all these awkward noises and sighs from the packed audience while Jacob and I were looking at each other in amazement at how awesome it was. Everyone else seemed impatient to leave at the end. They didn't get it.

[iv3rdawG]

Empire took it down so watch it while you can:

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[chairmenmeow47]

i tried to watch the terminator trailer on yahoo, but it kept skipping. i was going to pull my hair out last night. i don't care what anyone says, i'm totally there and will probably sing the theme song the entire day it comes out like i did for T3.

[Blinken]

I have been wanting a future war movie for ages. When I first heard of T3 that is what i wanted but nooo i got crap instead. I am psyched for this one though

[chairmenmeow47]

I have been wanting a future war movie for ages. When I first heard of T3 that is what i wanted but nooo i got crap instead. I am psyched for this one though


we should go together and watch lost beforehand too. i'd drive to LA for that. fuck the haters, blink. fuck 'em.

[amyzzz]

holy shit that trailer is awesome.

[RotationSlimWang]

McG. Sadly, it will suck cock. The cutting style in that trailer says it all, I was scared by the implications. Glad to see they brought back the Terminator theme score though, the pacing of that score was sorely lacking in the action sequences of T3.

[sbessiso]

watchmen is such a fucking amazing book

[sbessiso]

McG. Sadly, it will suck cock. The cutting style in that trailer says it all, I was scared by the implications. Glad to see they brought back the Terminator theme score though, the pacing of that score was sorely lacking in the action sequences of T3.

I couldnt agree with you more, but I'm a slut for Big Action Movies, and why the fuck would Bale agree to do it?? He's got the $$ from Batman, I refuse to believe it's a paycheck gig

[Blinken]

we should go together and watch lost beforehand too. i'd drive to LA for that. fuck the haters, blink. fuck 'em.

Sounds like a plan.

[schoolofruckus]

Empire took it down so watch it while you can:

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That looks promising, apart from the "visionary director of 300" bullshit. I'm not acquainted with the comic, so I'm only looking forward to this because it sounds interesting. The trailer promises something that'll be compulsively watchable for visual reasons, if nothing else.

Of course, that was also my forecast for 300, and I walked out of that one about halfway through.

[sbessiso]

I highly suggest you pick up the comic, it's a quick read (like a couple hours or less)

[chairmenmeow47]

Glad to see they brought back the Terminator theme score though, the pacing of that score was sorely lacking in the action sequences of T3.

i was saddened and angered by this during T3 as well.

duh nuh nuh nuh nuh
duh nuh nuh nuh nuh
doo dee doo dee dee dooo
doo dee doo dee doo deeeee doooo

and it's on, blink!

[schoolofruckus]

I just started reading Inglorious Basterds [sic]. After the first scene I am once again overwhelmed with love of my man Quentin, although for fuck's sake I practically want to retype the whole thing myself just to have a version without all the glaring spelling mistakes.

I also knew after that first scene that I was in for a serious fucking treat. We've seen that scene a million times in previous movies, and it's rarely been that tense and impactful.

But seriously, about the spelling mistakes - does that not add to your enjoyment in some way? Tell me you didn't crack the fuck up every time he made reference to "the Dreyfussis".

[Down Rodeo]

I also knew after that first scene that I was in for a serious fucking treat. We've seen that scene a million times in previous movies, and it's rarely been that tense and impactful.

But seriously, about the spelling mistakes - does that not add to your enjoyment in some way? Tell me you didn't crack the fuck up every time he made reference to "the Dreyfussis".

Seriously, that first scene was very good. I'm so torn about reading the rest of this script - I don't know what the fuck to do.

[schoolofruckus]

I said it before, and I hold true to this - this movie is spoiler-proof. It's not contingent upon the plot being shrouded in secrecy. I mean, there is one big moment where you realize what the story is going to build to that made me say "Oh, FUCK!!!" out loud in excitement. And another moment in the very last scene where I realized how the film was going to end where I started gnawing on my fist because I couldn't stop howling. And the thing is - knowing how these scenes unfold has done nothing but jack me up with anticipation to see how they are realized. I guess I'll have to report back after having seen the film (....over a year from now....), but I really doubt the impact will be significantly lessened.

[rage patton]

I am leaving for work night. Right after work I am heading out to see the Dark Night for a midnight showing. I will report back after.

[anti-square]

HITLER!

[schoolofruckus]

Did you get to the end, anti-square?

[anti-square]

Yeah. Half way through I figured the guy had to go all out and deliver the goods. And did he ever.

[ivankay]

i really like the editing in "Fryday Night Lights"

[sbessiso]

that's punny!

[ghettojournalist]

i agree with sbessiso, Ruckus. you should definitely read The Watchmen. not only in preparation for the film, but to see what many call the shining example of the comic medium is all about.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

Agreed. Even if you don't like comics, The Watchmen is a must-read. It's always included in the top-100 books lists.

[gratytrainridesagain]

Batman was really good I didn't think I'd like the guy playing Dent (I forget his name) but I actually think he did a superb job this movie surpassed all my expectations was truly great

[paulb]

wow, wow, wow! was really fuckin blown away by Heath's the Joker... that guy deserves best actor for it... just unreal. Really loved the movie, was hoping it would never end.... wasnt a big fan of Maggie G, but really great movie.

[Blinken]

Great movie, the IMax adds a whole new dimension to the film. The acting was superb Heath owns the role of The Joker now.

[rage patton]

I was about to say the same thing. The Joker is no long Jack Nicholson's... it is Heath Ledger's. His acting was superb. It was so delightlyfully manical. It is a shame he will no longer be able to expand on it in future Batman movies. The entire movie was excellent as well, not only Heath. It was just over 2 and half hours long... but it almost felt like it all went by too quickly.
I definately want to go re-see this movie in IMAX.

[Down Rodeo]

Holy crap, the IMAX showing was fucking phenomenal. Finally a comic-book movie with some real depth and moral weight. As expected it was visually stunning, had very solid acting and most importantly, was immensely entertaining.

[mountmccabe]

I said it before, and I hold true to this - this movie is spoiler-proof. It's not contingent upon the plot being shrouded in secrecy. I mean, there is one big moment where you realize what the story is going to build to that made me say "Oh, FUCK!!!" out loud in excitement. And another moment in the very last scene where I realized how the film was going to end where I started gnawing on my fist because I couldn't stop howling. And the thing is - knowing how these scenes unfold has done nothing but jack me up with anticipation to see how they are realized. I guess I'll have to report back after having seen the film (....over a year from now....), but I really doubt the impact will be significantly lessened.

One thing that has kept me from reading is that I don't want to get too attached to stuff that ends up getting altered or left out completely. I've read the scripts for Dogs and Pulp - after seeing the movies many times, of course - and whilst I enjoy reading the scripts I still wouldn't want to know what was going to happen next, at least for that first viewing.

[Xenocide]

Of course, that was also my forecast for 300, and I walked out of that one about halfway through.

are you serious??? we ARE talking about 300 right? and not Meet The Spartans?

[schoolofruckus]

Yes we are. I didn't need Meet the Spartans to tell me that 300 was despicable.

[Xenocide]

Soooooooo should I see Hancock or Hellboy tonight?

Or Forbidden Kingdom at the cheap theatre???

Forbidden Kingdom was soo unbelievably bad... it was the kinda flick i wouldn't have even liked as a twelve-year old in the 80's...

although Hancock's not too much better...


Just go rent Sunshine instead...

[Xenocide]

Yes we are. I didn't need Meet the Spartans to tell me that 300 was despicable.

wow... that's just sad... did you enjoy Sin City?

[amyzzz]

Sin City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 300

[Xenocide]

I personally liked Brick a lot more than Elephant. It was simply a much more interesting story in mu opinion

speaking of... what did everyone think of Paranoid Park?

[Xenocide]

Sin City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 300

i was just curious if the person who hated 300 also hated Sin City... btw, 305 was pretty funny... not Darkon funny, but still...

[woogie846]

I'm seeing the Dark Knight tonight, and I'm getting very excited.

[rage patton]

You should very well be.

Also, I cannot wait for Sin City 2. When is that expected to come out?

[schoolofruckus]

wow... that's just sad... did you enjoy Sin City?

Not really at all, although it had one distinct advantage over 300 in the form of Mickey Rourke (who I think is entertaining in pretty much all circumstances). In both cases, I really like the look of the film - it would be nearly impossible not to - but the stories, characters (except Mickey Rourke), and sensibilities (particularly, the 14-year-old-virgin-level fetishizing of sex and violence) were pretty much intolerable.

In all honesty, I probably would not have dipped on 300 had there not been severe projection problems (i.e., reels 3 and 4 being played out of order, and then the projectionist opting to start at reel 2 and replay the entire movie). But after suffering through an hour, I was in no mood to relive half of it and then endure another hour.

[schoolofruckus]

speaking of... what did everyone think of Paranoid Park?

Paranoid Park was awesome. It was maybe an 8 on the Van Sant scale, but that's good for at least a 9 by normal standards.

[Courtney]

I have seen a few Miyazaki movies recently, as part of a retrospective at a local theater. Although it seems like all his movies share many of the same themes, and Spirited Away is very good, I think I enjoyed My Neighbor Totoro the most for its tone and storyline. Howl's Moving Castle was fun visually but a little too big, too fast, and unconvincing in its character development.

I also saw Forgetting Sarah Marshall a few weeks ago at the cheapy dollar theater in town. It wasn't a bad film, and it was super fun to see all the local Hawaii scenery. I am also happy to report that I found the male and female characters to be equally idiotic.

[CuervoPH]

I'll be glad when Netflix actually has Paranoid Park available to watch. They need to actively hunt down the Van Sant collector who is not returning the movies he or she is renting.

Also, I need to have a Miyazaki weekend.

[wmgaretjax]

Batman was great. I felt it was a little long winded in parts, but totally forgivable.

The acting was incredible except Gyllenhal... Sorry Randy, Jack Nicholson is a toddler cartoon character compared to Ledger, end of story.

[gaypalmsprings]

Jack Nicholson was great in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

[schoolofruckus]

I'll be glad when Netflix actually has Paranoid Park available to watch. They need to actively hunt down the Van Sant collector who is not returning the movies he or she is renting.


Sorry.....my bad.

Although I don't think Paranoid Park is even out yet.

[CuervoPH]

Oh. Then that makes sense. For some reason, I thought it was.

Yeah. I just checked. Amazon is showing a DVD release date in October.

[woogie846]

I saw the Dark Knight yesterday. Thank God I pre-ordered my tickets, because I got there 2 hours before it started and there was already a really long line.

Nevertheless, it was awesome and the cast was stellar.

[corbo]

I have seen a few Miyazaki movies recently, as part of a retrospective at a local theater. Although it seems like all his movies share many of the same themes, and Spirited Away is very good, I think I enjoyed My Neighbor Totoro the most for its tone and storyline. Howl's Moving Castle was fun visually but a little too big, too fast, and unconvincing in its character development.


same here ive been watching these for the past few weeks.
i was a bit let down by my neighbor totoro and princess monoke
i should have watched them in japanese
the english dubs were terrible.
havent seen howls moving castle or Nausicaä yet [theyre next on my queue]
but i imagine its more of the same.

Spirited Away however is excellent and one of my fav movies of all time.

[corbo]

speaking of anime...i just finished the Death Note series. excellent!
i recommend that everyone see this series.

oh and i recently saw the Karas movies. awesome stuff.

[KungFuJoe]

I love all the Miyazaki films I've seen. Princess Mononoke is probably my favorite. I actually think the dubbing on that is pretty darn good, even though I prefer to watch foreign films in their native tongue. With animated films it's ok though. Plus, Mononoke had some good talent in Clair Danes, Billy Bob thorton, Minnie Driver, etc... I do love Totoro & Spirited away, but may put Kiki's Delivery Service ahead of those. I still need to see Howl's Moving Castle and need to rewatch Castle in the Sky.

[KungFuJoe]

speaking of anime...i just finished the Death Note series. excellent!
i recommend that everyone see this series.

oh and i recently saw the Karas movies. awesome stuff.

Have you seen the live action films? I've only watched a couple of the animated episodes. I enjoyed the films and recently downloaded "L Change the World" but have yet to watch it.

the only other animated film I've watched recently was Appleseed Ex Machina which was a pretty kick ass action flick.

[corbo]

no havent seen the live action films. i'll make sure to queue those up on my torrent. ive been meaning to do it for a while.

i'll make sure to checkout appleseed too.

[wmgaretjax]

as far as anime, I enjoyed Spirited Away, but everything else I've seen has been meh... Except for FLCL, which is a fucking mind fuck of a masterpiece.

[unitedwestand]

so when's the trailer for Half Blood Prince coming out? It's Mid July and It's coming out in November. Oh and by the way, is it really coming out on the same day Bond is? Cuz that's going to be a shit show. (For Me)

[Xenocide]

Sorry.....my bad.

Although I don't think Paranoid Park is even out yet.

jesus christ... Paranoid Park has been out on dvd for a couple of weeks at least... there were twenty copies at my local blockbuster last week when i saw it... it's just not available to OWN until October...


also, when netflix has a movie listed as 'very long wait' from the day of release onward for long periods of time, (especially if it's a new movie) it REALLY means, 'oh, this movie is a blockbuster exclusive for the next 90 days'... the case is the same with blockbuster online, with films that have a netflix or hollywood exclusive for a limited time...

[Courtney]

same here ive been watching these for the past few weeks.
i was a bit let down by my neighbor totoro and princess monoke
i should have watched them in japanese
the english dubs were terrible.
havent seen howls moving castle or Nausicaä yet [theyre next on my queue]
but i imagine its more of the same.

Spirited Away however is excellent and one of my fav movies of all time.

I love all the Miyazaki films I've seen. Princess Mononoke is probably my favorite. I actually think the dubbing on that is pretty darn good, even though I prefer to watch foreign films in their native tongue. With animated films it's ok though. Plus, Mononoke had some good talent in Clair Danes, Billy Bob thorton, Minnie Driver, etc... I do love Totoro & Spirited away, but may put Kiki's Delivery Service ahead of those. I still need to see Howl's Moving Castle and need to rewatch Castle in the Sky.

I have not seen Princess Mononoke or Kiki's Delivery Service. If I ever re-subscribe to netflix, I'll definitely put them on my queue. Although I'm not sure I'm enough of a Miyazaki fan to actually make a trip to a movie rental place to get them.

[atom heart]

Nausicaä is really good, but you MUST see it in Japanese. Both English dubs, by Fox and then Disney, are atrocious and mess with the story line.

[C DUB YA]

wow - just saw that the dark knight did 156 million - biggest weekend of all time.

[Mr.Nipples]

thats alot of money

[woogie846]

wow - just saw that the dark knight did 156 million - biggest weekend of all time.

Don't be surprised if it's the highest grossing of all time.

[wmgaretjax]

thats alot of money

cost 180 million to make it...

[whynotsmile99]

while it will have a huge drop off next week dark knight will have legs. All my friends and myself plan to see it again at least once. Everyone who hasn't seen it in IMAX wants to (me included) and I might even check it out again in normal theaters.

It's one of those movies I think I will appreciate even more upon multiple viewings. It was so epic, had so much going for it it requires multiple viewings. Plus when I saw the midnight show I was getting way tired by the last act. I look forward to seeing it in a bit more alert state.


I just watched "Keep the River On Your Right" Not the movie riveting documentary I've seen, but a interesting character study. Rather inspiring

[wmgaretjax]

It was so epic, had so much going for it it requires multiple viewings. Plus when I saw the midnight show I was getting way tired by the last act. I look forward to seeing it in a bit more alert state.

I hardly think it's a film that "requires" multiple viewings. Also, I think a lot of people have been groggy in the third act, and I think it's because it's a little long-winded in it's second half, not simply the midnight viewings...

[mountmccabe]

I am seeing The Dark Knight for the first time at the Imax this evening.


Also when I went to Blockbuster and rented 2046 I did, in fact, end up buying some used DVDs. I have since watched two of them; Factotum and The Savages.

The Savages was fantastic. I am not sure what I could about Laura Linney and Philip Seymour Hoffman; both gave top notch performances. The characters were good, the story seemed to move quicker than I had expected but this is but a trifle.

Based on the book and other pieces by Bukowski, Factotum was a little ugly. I liked seeing the page brought to life but I can't stand Matt Dillon so a full movie focusing on him wasn't what it could be. I mean, sure, one is not supposed to like or admire Chinaski... but the sight of him isn't supposed to make your skin crawl.

Also I know I've posted on these boards about my interested in this film; I'm hoping it wasn't OldBoard because then I mightn't be able to find what I said.

[schoolofruckus]

The Dark Knight was pretty goddamn awesome. It benefited hugely from not being an origin story, and being able to do away with a great deal of the stiff speechifying that hampered parts of the previous film. Ledger's performance is, somehow, as good as everyone says it is, and definitely a benchmark achievement for actors committing to a character of this nature; it's one of the rare cases of widespread public hyperbole being justified. And though their roles aren't nearly the equal of the Joker, Bale, Oldman, Freeman, Caine, and the rest (well, except Maggie Gyllenhaal, though it's generally not her fault) all bring something extra to the table. The IMAX sequences were stunning, and absolutely worth a second trip to the theater.

This isn't a masterpiece or a life-affirming event, and it's not going to bring down Titanic from the domestic or worldwide box office perch. Nor does it deserve to. But it's an absorbing, terrifically acted, unquestionably top-shelf piece of action filmmaking that hits almost all the right notes, and that's reason enough to cheer on its own.

[Down Rodeo]

This isn't a masterpiece or a life-affirming event

Word. I can't believe this is #1 on IMDB right now, even if the movie does rock the fucking house.

[menikmati]

No way in hell does it deserve the #1 spot. That's bullshit, and just being done by a bunch of giddy fan boys who happen to have to be in love with the Joker and had their expectations met.

[schoolofruckus]

I don't know that it's all fanboys. With the exception of a select few critics and the occasionally over-zealous contrarian, EVERYONE is rushing to be the first and most passionate lover of this movie.

I don't mean to be negative about it - it's maybe the best movie of its type - but I just wish people would, to a degree, step back and think about what it is, savor it if they like, and then register an opinion when not all jacked up to the point that they feel inclined to drown out the rest of the fever pitch. It's nauseating and really, a disservice to the movie, when you have people trying to achieve record speed in proclaiming "The Dark Knight is the best film ever made! Heath Ledger is the on-screen equivalent of custom sex fantasies made flesh! Chris Nolan could turn amyzzz's life story into an Oscar-winning miracle!"

[menikmati]

I agree. They all need to just step back, calm down, and except the film for what it is, which isn't the #1 film of all time. The hype and excitement has gotten to them though.

[BROKENDOLL]

I don't know that it's all fanboys. With the exception of a select few critics and the occasionally over-zealous contrarian, EVERYONE is rushing to be the first and most passionate lover of this movie.

I don't mean to be negative about it - it's maybe the best movie of its type - but I just wish people would, to a degree, step back and think about what it is, savor it if they like, and then register an opinion when not all jacked up to the point that they feel inclined to drown out the rest of the fever pitch. It's nauseating and really, a disservice to the movie, when you have people trying to achieve record speed in proclaiming "The Dark Knight is the best film ever made! Heath Ledger is the on-screen equivalent of custom sex fantasies made flesh! Chris Nolan could turn amyzzz's life story into an Oscar-winning miracle!" Ha,ha,ha, I don't know Amyzzz story, but mine could be a sure contender!

[downingthief]

I saw DK yesterday, and it was all that I wanted. Excellent performances, visually stimulating, and plenty of suprises and twists. Ledger was perfect for the role. And, have Maggie in there to take over for Katie was a breath of fresh air. I think I can finally forget about the Joel Schumacher debacles...

No, it's not the # 1 film of all time...but, I do think it could be the best of its genre.

[whynotsmile99]

I saw DK yesterday, and it was all that I wanted. Excellent performances, visually stimulating, and plenty of suprises and twists. Ledger was perfect for the role. And, have Maggie in there to take over for Katie was a breath of fresh air. I think I can finally forget about the Joel Schumacher debacles...

No, it's not the # 1 film of all time...but, I do think it could be the best of its genre.

i think i actually liked Katie more. Both movies didn't give her much to work with at all, and i just really like my Katie. It's weird she refused to be the in the second one. Maybe Tom Cruise got to her. or that whole "Motherhood" thing that i sorta heard something about. It was a bit strange having two different actresses, but it wasn't too distracting

[menikmati]

Didn't she have schedule conflicts? And/or probably wasn't offered as much as she wanted in terms of a paycheck.

[Yablonowitz]

This isn't a masterpiece or a life-affirming event, and it's not going to bring down Titanic from the domestic or worldwide box office perch. Nor does it deserve to. But it's an absorbing, terrifically acted, unquestionably top-shelf piece of action filmmaking that hits almost all the right notes, and that's reason enough to cheer on its own.


Necro, please. Dark Knight is definitely better than Titanic. On pretty much every level.

Though, it isn't something to be canonized either. Being better than Titanic isn't that hard of a feat. "Ohhhh, ROSE! Ohhh, ROSE! OH, ROSE!" Please.

[menikmati]

Titanic is on TNT right now, go watch!

[menikmati]

They're just leaving port right now.

[shakermaker113]

wow - just saw that the dark knight did 156 million - biggest weekend of all time.

it seems another movie breaks this record every year. it doesn't seem significant any more.

Don't be surprised if it's the highest grossing of all time.

inflation is tricky.

[menikmati]

TDK is not gonna beat Titanic to be the highest grossing film of all time. These days it's all about the first opening weekend and nothing else. And like shaker said, that record is broken almost once a year now, so it really doesn't mean anything now (plus the whole inflation thing too).

[C DUB YA]

The Dark Knight

This isn't a masterpiece or a life-affirming event, and it's not going to bring down Titanic from the domestic or worldwide box office perch. Nor does it deserve to.

Anything deserves to knock the shit film that is Titanic, down.

[C DUB YA]

TDK is not gonna beat Titanic to be the highest grossing film of all time. These days it's all about the first opening weekend and nothing else. And like shaker said, that record is broken almost once a year now, so it really doesn't mean anything now (plus the whole inflation thing too).


Highest weekends of all time (changes when adjusted for inflation)

1 The Dark Knight - WB $156,340,000
2 Spider-Man 3 - Sony $151,116,516
3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - BV $135,634,554
4 Shrek the Third - P/DreamWorks $121,629,270
5 Spider-Man - Sony $114,844,116
6 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End - BV $114,732,820
7 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Fox $108,435,841
8 Shrek 2 - DreamWorks $108,037,878
9 X-Men: The Last Stand - Fox $102,750,665
10 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - WB $102,685,961

[schoolofruckus]

i think i actually liked Katie more. Both movies didn't give her much to work with at all, and i just really like my Katie. It's weird she refused to be the in the second one. Maybe Tom Cruise got to her. or that whole "Motherhood" thing that i sorta heard something about. It was a bit strange having two different actresses, but it wasn't too distracting.

You know, I figured I'd re-watch Batman Begins this afternoon, and goddamn if I don't agree that Katie Holmes was considerably better than Maggie Gyllenhaal. I mean - it's a shit role in both films. Probably hard as shit to write her as being a love interest, a wet blanket, and a ridiculous idealist without letting her dialogue become a series of over-scripted slogans. But Katie's sweetness was at least something of a contrast to the other shit that was happening in Begins. Maggie just seemed kind of disinterested.

However, her appearance in the film is the source of probably the single best line anyone has written about it: "When the Joker puts the moves on Rachel, it marks Ledger as the only actor to come on to both Maggie and her brother, Jake, on-screen." (http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/movies/20080716_Heath_Ledger_echoes_through_Dark_Knight.h tml)



Necro, please. Dark Knight is definitely better than Titanic. On pretty much every level.

Though, it isn't something to be canonized either. Being better than Titanic isn't that hard of a feat. "Ohhhh, ROSE! Ohhh, ROSE! OH, ROSE!" Please.

Nicca what? Plenty of movies have tried to be better than Titanic, only to drink a nice tall glass of FAIL ale.

Of course, you're insinuating that I prefer Titanic by default, simply because I say The Dark Knight doesn't deserve to overtake it on the box office chart. Let it never be forgotten that, if I were God, Buffalo '66 would be the highest-grossing motion picture in history.

TDK is not gonna beat Titanic to be the highest grossing film of all time. These days it's all about the first opening weekend and nothing else. And like shaker said, that record is broken almost once a year now, so it really doesn't mean anything now (plus the whole inflation thing too).

True, all. Love it though the fanboys do, there's just no fucking way you're going to get them seeing it a dozen times in theaters. Not in this day and age, when they can see it twice in IMAX, maybe once in 35mm, and then download it with relative ease. Also, as good as it is, it doesn't put people in that same satisfied place - sad, but in an emotionally comforting way - that Titanic did.

[thinnerair]

Word. I can't believe this is #1 on IMDB right now, even if the movie does rock the fucking house.

I was just checking this out. I am really surprised at some of the other movies on this list. For one, I hadn't heard of a few of 'em, and also I was just suprirsed at how high ranking others were:


Top 250 movies as voted by our users
For this top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.

Rank Rating Title Votes
1. 9.5 The Dark Knight (2008) 46,915
2. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 288,653
3. 9.1 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 340,187
4. 9.0 The Godfather: Part II (1974) 165,507
5. 8.9 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966) 96,865
6. 8.9 Pulp Fiction (1994) 292,176
7. 8.8 Schindler's List (1993) 194,607
8. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 147,088
9. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 205,227
10. 8.8 Casablanca (1942) 126,123
11. 8.8 12 Angry Men (1957) 70,627
12. 8.8 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 71,164
13. 8.8 Star Wars (1977) 246,207
14. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 261,365
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 160,109
16. 8.7 Rear Window (1954) 84,664
17. 8.7 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 184,810
18. 8.7 Cidade de Deus (2002) 104,211
19. 8.7 C'era una volta il West (1968) 48,376
20. 8.7 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 292,874
21. 8.7 The Usual Suspects (1995) 199,042
22. 8.7 Psycho (1960) 103,730
23. 8.6 WALL·E (2008) 41,928 (really?!)
24. 8.6 Fight Club (1999) 262,197
25. 8.6 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 119,458
26. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 176,998
27. 8.6 North by Northwest (1959) 68,592
28. 8.6 Citizen Kane (1941) 107,840
29. 8.6 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 36,967
30. 8.6 Memento (2000) 190,452 (really?!)
31. 8.6 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) 242,357
32. 8.6 It's a Wonderful Life (1946) 76,029
33. 8.6 The Matrix (1999) 277,575
34. 8.5 Lawrence of Arabia (1962) 59,912
35. 8.5 Se7en (1995) 193,180
36. 8.5 Apocalypse Now (1979) 128,538
37. 8.5 Taxi Driver (1976) 108,086
38. 8.5 American Beauty (1999) 216,965
39. 8.5 Léon (1994) 133,373
40. 8.5 Vertigo (1958) 66,633
41. 8.5 American History X (1998) 152,079
42. 8.5 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001) 129,913
43. 8.5 Paths of Glory (1957) 31,057
44. 8.5 The Departed (2006) 171,138
45. 8.5 M (1931) 27,568
46. 8.5 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) 60,817
47. 8.4 The Third Man (1949) 36,963
48. 8.4 Chinatown (1974) 55,586
49. 8.4 Leben der Anderen, Das (2006) 40,383
50. 8.4 A Clockwork Orange (1971) 138,755

[whynotsmile99]

batman begins in on FX. Katie does seem far more interested than Maggie did. Plus she is so damn beautiful.

How could she leave the Batman series on her own accord. I can't believe that. Oh yea, wait, she did "Mad Money" that masterpiece with Queen Latifah.

[schoolofruckus]

Anything deserves to knock the shit film that is Titanic, down.

Titanic is a fucking amazing film. It's got some gigantic holes, but it's so overwhelmingly good in other ways that more than make up for them.

And I'm sorry, but anyone who doesn't acknowledge its virtue to at least some degree either knows fuck-all about movies, or cares less about movies than maintaining an appearance of uber-hipness.

[schoolofruckus]

I was just checking this out. I am really surprised at some of the other movies on this list. For one, I hadn't heard of a few of 'em, and also I was just suprirsed at how high ranking others were:


Top 250 movies as voted by our users
For this top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.

Rank Rating Title Votes
1. 9.5 The Dark Knight (2008) 46,915
2. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 288,653
3. 9.1 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 340,187
4. 9.0 The Godfather: Part II (1974) 165,507
5. 8.9 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966) 96,865
6. 8.9 Pulp Fiction (1994) 292,176
7. 8.8 Schindler's List (1993) 194,607
8. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 147,088
9. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 205,227
10. 8.8 Casablanca (1942) 126,123
11. 8.8 12 Angry Men (1957) 70,627
12. 8.8 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 71,164
13. 8.8 Star Wars (1977) 246,207
14. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 261,365
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 160,109
16. 8.7 Rear Window (1954) 84,664
17. 8.7 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 184,810
18. 8.7 Cidade de Deus (2002) 104,211
19. 8.7 C'era una volta il West (1968) 48,376
20. 8.7 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 292,874
21. 8.7 The Usual Suspects (1995) 199,042
22. 8.7 Psycho (1960) 103,730
23. 8.6 WALL·E (2008) 41,928 (really?!)
24. 8.6 Fight Club (1999) 262,197
25. 8.6 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 119,458
26. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 176,998
27. 8.6 North by Northwest (1959) 68,592
28. 8.6 Citizen Kane (1941) 107,840
29. 8.6 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 36,967
30. 8.6 Memento (2000) 190,452 (really?!)
31. 8.6 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) 242,357
32. 8.6 It's a Wonderful Life (1946) 76,029
33. 8.6 The Matrix (1999) 277,575
34. 8.5 Lawrence of Arabia (1962) 59,912
35. 8.5 Se7en (1995) 193,180
36. 8.5 Apocalypse Now (1979) 128,538
37. 8.5 Taxi Driver (1976) 108,086
38. 8.5 American Beauty (1999) 216,965
39. 8.5 Léon (1994) 133,373
40. 8.5 Vertigo (1958) 66,633
41. 8.5 American History X (1998) 152,079
42. 8.5 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001) 129,913
43. 8.5 Paths of Glory (1957) 31,057
44. 8.5 The Departed (2006) 171,138
45. 8.5 M (1931) 27,568
46. 8.5 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) 60,817
47. 8.4 The Third Man (1949) 36,963
48. 8.4 Chinatown (1974) 55,586
49. 8.4 Leben der Anderen, Das (2006) 40,383
50. 8.4 A Clockwork Orange (1971) 138,755

You know, I really can't argue with any of the movies on that list. I mean - that's a fucking far cry from being my personal top 50. But I don't see anything on there that is immediately outrageous.

Kind of shocked that The Lives of Others made that list, though.

[thinnerair]

I m actually sorta surprised that "Shawshank" is up so high.
Don't get me wrong. I love that movie...in fact, its one of my top5 favorites but I really didnt think it would rank so high. Just sayin'


Im also a bit surprised that Fight Club is on that list and so high. I dunno.

[menikmati]

Highest weekends of all time (changes when adjusted for inflation)

1 The Dark Knight - WB $156,340,000
2 Spider-Man 3 - Sony $151,116,516
3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - BV $135,634,554
4 Shrek the Third - P/DreamWorks $121,629,270
5 Spider-Man - Sony $114,844,116
6 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End - BV $114,732,820
7 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Fox $108,435,841
8 Shrek 2 - DreamWorks $108,037,878
9 X-Men: The Last Stand - Fox $102,750,665
10 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - WB $102,685,961

What does that list show you? It just shows that each film on there is something very recent from the last couple of years. Which proves this record gets broken so often these days, that it really doesn't mean much anymore. I'm sure in the next few years, films like Captain America, Spiderman 4, Hobbit, and whatever other big blockbusters get made, will be breaking it.

[C DUB YA]

What does that list show you? It just shows that each film on there is something very recent from the last couple of years. Which proves this record gets broken so often these days, that it really doesn't mean much anymore. I'm sure in the next few years, films like Captain America, Spiderman 4, Hobbit, and whatever other big blockbusters get made, will be breaking it.

I'm not debating that at all.

Although when you include inflation films like Star Wars, Godfather 2, Exorcist Jaws, E.T., show up.

[whynotsmile99]

the dark knight score was incredible. Far better than Batman Begins. Filled each scene with the perfect amount of dread and terror. Sounded like guitar strings snapping or wire creaking in scenes. It was really, really excellent. Easily worthy of attention during award season.

[C DUB YA]

Titanic is a fucking amazing film. It's got some gigantic holes, but it's so overwhelmingly good in other ways that more than make up for them.

And I'm sorry, but anyone who doesn't acknowledge its virtue to at least some degree either knows fuck-all about movies, or cares less about movies than maintaining an appearance of uber-hipness.

Titanic is a pretty good film - not great, and certainly not "fucking amazing".

The obvious holes in it have nothing to do with it not living up to your praise. I could go on about the dreadful overacting of Billy Zane and Leo, or ego-tastic length that Cameron felt it needed, or the see it coming tugs on repeated heartstrings, or Bill "fucking Paxton and Celine Fucking Dion", or the sappy score that was broadway dreadful, ... etc etc.

I know movies and I ain't that hip. I enjoyed it when I saw it (hell I even own it) - but when I read stories of 12 year old Leo fans lining up for the 20th time, plaaaease, there are better films (many) that deserve such praise.

[menikmati]

With inflation, Gone With the Wind is the winner.

[C DUB YA]

With inflation, Gone With the Wind is the winner.

yep

[menikmati]

Titanic is a pretty good film - not great, and certainly not "fucking amazing".

The obvious holes in it have nothing to do with it not living up to your praise. I could go on about the dreadful overacting of Billy Zane and Leo, or ego-tastic length that Cameron felt it needed, or the see it coming tugs on repeated heartstrings, or Bill "fucking Paxton and Celine Fucking Dion", or the sappy score that was broadway dreadful, ... etc etc.

I know movies and I ain't that hip. I enjoyed it when I saw it (hell I even own it) - but when I read stories of 12 year Leo fans lining up for the 20th time, plaaaease, there are better films (many) that deserve such praise.

Yeah but Titanic is a epic story, legened, whatever, and it deserved an epic story/film, so Cameron delivered that and succeeded. So kudos to that. If you wanna talk about epic failure, then we can discuss Pearl Harbor.

[wmgaretjax]

Yeah but Titanic is a epic story, legened, whatever, and it deserved an epic story/film, so Cameron delivered that and succeeded. So kudos to that. If you wanna talk about epic failure, then we can discuss Pearl Harbor.

or "Gladiator."

[menikmati]

I think you mean "300".

[Somewhat Damaged]

I really enjoyed The Dark Knight. The bank heist at the beginning is terrific and probably the best directed set piece in the film. Heath Ledger is great as the Joker; I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of him being kind of a Tyler Durden type. The way the character was written by Christopher and Jonathan Nolan unquestionably played a large part in the role being so great -- the way the Joker manipulates Batman and the cops is so fiendishly awesome, he's probably the best movie villain ever.

***SPOILER***

With the boat-bomb scene, when the guy on the civilian boat took the detonator, I thought he was going to pull the switch, thus causing the civilian boat to blow up. I appreciate that the decision for neither boat to blow the other up validated Batman defending Gotham's basic goodness to Ra's al Guhl in Batman Begins, but I'm a little disappointed that I won't ever know if that was indeed the Joker's scheme unless I get to speak with Christopher Nolan at some point.

***/SPOILERS***

I was actually a little disappointed in the first act of the film. The most bothersome bit was when Harvey Dent has the gun pulled on him at Eric Roberts' trial. I know there's a lot of corruption still in Gotham at this point so a crooked cop could've allowed the guy to smuggle in his gun, but then he just hesitated instead of shooting Dent. And as good as I thought Harvey Dent's character was written, I didn't like his reaction after the incident. It didn't phase him at all? He's used to having a gun pulled on him in court? But once the Joker started kicking things into gear, the film really found its footing and lived up to the expectations I had.

RE: Rachel Dawes -- I re-watched Begins twice this past week and had the fuck bugged out of me both times by Katie Holmes. All she does in the first film is act self-righteously towards Bruce Wayne. Why does he even love her? She just busts his balls all the fucking time. Maggie Gyllenhaal, on the other hand, didn't bug me at all. Maybe she will upon repeated viewings -- I didn't recall being bothered by Katie Holmes' performance previously -- but right now, she's got an edge in the "performing Rachel Dawes" department. Although she is kind of frumpy looking.

Oh yeah, gotta mention this: I hate Christian Bale's voice for Batman. I wonder if they redubbed it for the television broadcast version of Begins because it didn't sound as labored when I saw it on TNT as opposed to when I saw the Begins DVD. Still felt galvanized by The Dark Knight when I left the theater at 2:30 am Friday morning, but couldn't help being bothered by that aspect of Bale's performance.

[whynotsmile99]

300 was such rubbish. However, I was pretty drunk. Far more drunk than I am for most movies. It was still junk. It was like watching really boring video game cut scenes for two hours and listening to crappy Nu metal

[mountmccabe]

Ledger's performance is, somehow, as good as everyone says it is, and definitely a benchmark achievement for actors committing to a character of this nature; it's one of the rare cases of widespread public hyperbole being justified.

The movie was good. It was entertaining. It was more than that and, compared to other movies in whatever genres you want to put it in, this compares well. I don't need to see it in the theaters again but I do want to see it again.

And I though Heath was good but I was a bit let down. None of this Oscar-hype would be around if he still was. Err, wait, check that. There would still be some hype but it would just be the cult/genre fans rather than (somewhat) respectable critics and such.

[Down Rodeo]

You know, I really can't argue with any of the movies on that list. I mean - that's a fucking far cry from being my personal top 50. But I don't see anything on there that is immediately outrageous.

Kind of shocked that The Lives of Others made that list, though.

Really?? It doesn't annoy the fuck out of you that Shawshank consistently rivals The Godfather for #1 (except for The Dark Knight now, of course)? I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Shawshank is a great film, but it pales in comparison to The Godfather and plenty of other movies for that matter.

[schoolofruckus]

Titanic is a pretty good film - not great, and certainly not "fucking amazing".

The obvious holes in it have nothing to do with it not living up to your praise. I could go on about the dreadful overacting of Billy Zane and Leo, or ego-tastic length that Cameron felt it needed, or the see it coming tugs on repeated heartstrings, or Bill "fucking Paxton and Celine Fucking Dion", or the sappy score that was broadway dreadful, ... etc etc.

I know movies and I ain't that hip. I enjoyed it when I saw it (hell I even own it) - but when I read stories of 12 year old Leo fans lining up for the 20th time, plaaaease, there are better films (many) that deserve such praise.

Yet you snidely call it a "shit film". Are there two guys that man this screen name? Because if so, they need to talk to each other more often.

You don't have to love it, but it isn't a shit film. That is the only part I take exception to.

[schoolofruckus]

Really?? It doesn't annoy the fuck out of you that Shawshank consistently rivals The Godfather for #1 (except for The Dark Knight now, of course)? I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Shawshank is a great film, but it pales in comparison to The Godfather and plenty of other movies for that matter.

I don't really think either film should be #1. And I don't think Shawshank is anywhere near as good as The Godfather. But at least it actually is good, as opposed to a movie like A Beautiful Mind being really high on that list.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

Uh, A Beautiful Mind is an excellent film. Just sayin'.

[downingthief]

I really enjoyed The Dark Knight. The bank heist at the beginning is terrific and probably the best directed set piece in the film. Heath Ledger is great as the Joker; I'm surprised I haven't seen any mention of him being kind of a Tyler Durden type. The way the character was written by Christopher and Jonathan Nolan unquestionably played a large part in the role being so great -- the way the Joker manipulates Batman and the cops is so fiendishly awesome, he's probably the best movie villain ever.

***SPOILER***

With the boat-bomb scene, when the guy on the civilian boat took the detonator, I thought he was going to pull the switch, thus causing the civilian boat to blow up. I appreciate that the decision for neither boat to blow the other up validated Batman defending Gotham's basic goodness to Ra's al Guhl in Batman Begins, but I'm a little disappointed that I won't ever know if that was indeed the Joker's scheme unless I get to speak with Christopher Nolan at some point.

***/SPOILERS***



RE: Rachel Dawes -- I re-watched Begins twice this past week and had the fuck bugged out of me both times by Katie Holmes. All she does in the first film is act self-righteously towards Bruce Wayne. Why does he even love her? She just busts his balls all the fucking time. Maggie Gyllenhaal, on the other hand, didn't bug me at all. Maybe she will upon repeated viewings -- I didn't recall being bothered by Katie Holmes' performance previously -- but right now, she's got an edge in the "performing Rachel Dawes" department. Although she is kind of frumpy looking.

.

That is how I felt about Katie in the first one, too. I agree with Gabe that it is a shit role, but I thought that Maggie brought more feeling and teeth to it. Plus, I just couldn't believe that Katie and Batman were "around" the same age. Katie was damn cute, though.