Schoolio's Movie Corner

[PotVsKtl]

This has been another brief lesson in knowing things.

[RotationSlimWang]

The other two aren't silent h's either though. You see the bind I'm in.

[RotationSlimWang]

Pronounce "historic" with a silent h please.

[RotationSlimWang]

Yeah that's right, where you at now, motherfucker?

[PotVsKtl]

Try it with "a" or "an" in front. You don't pronounce the h as much, in some regions it's dropped entirely. "A istoric. An istoric." This has been another episode of having to explain simple things twice.

[shakermaker113]

john cleese says "a historic". or rather, his character in this movie does.

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[EcraJ]

"An" with a non-silent h if the second syllable is accented.

[RotationSlimWang]

Try it with "a" or "an" in front. You don't pronounce the h as much, in some regions it's dropped entirely. "A istoric. An istoric." This has been another episode of having to explain simple things twice.

In some regions? This isn't accents from around the world, goddammit. It's Dictatorial English. There is only one region--it's called the Northeast.

[PotVsKtl]

If you accentuate the h when saying "an historic," you talk like a douche.

[RotationSlimWang]

I'm well aware, hosehead. Turns out the difference hedges on a matter of syllables, it's true. The non-silent h rules mostly only come into effect when dealing with three or more syllable words. http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-w005.html

[RotationSlimWang]

Oh, I get it, Pot. You didn't know that person was making reference to this exchange: http://www.coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=908016&postcount=14369
http://www.coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=908032&postcount=14370
http://www.coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=908037&postcount=14371

Silly Pot.

[PotVsKtl]

I don't open that thread, it's full of ugly people.

[RotationSlimWang]

Ugly illiterate people.

[RotationSlimWang]

Ugly illiterate assholes, actually.

[PotVsKtl]

What an unexpected outcome that such individuals would be drawn to a haven for wordless narcissism.

[RotationSlimWang]

It's a mystical attraction that science can't find a proper explanation for, like gravity or homosexuality.

[Yablonowitz]

You're an hick. Get it right asshole. :pulse

Don't quote that moldy cunt when he speaks to me. Thanks.

[Jenniehoo]

Don't be such an hick.

[anti-square]

If that's your way of claiming ownership than by all means, have the cunt.

[rage patton]

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This can't be serious.

[wmgaretjax]

It was the first to experiment with non linear editing

Jesus fucking christ, don't speak with authority if you have no clue what you are babbling on about...

[PotVsKtl]

Jesus fucking christ, don't speak with authority if you have no clue what you are babbling on about...

Wow, I missed that. Looks like we've found the PassiveTheory of film history.

[chairmenmeow47]

Kane>Evil>Ambersons (only because of the studio travesty....if it was untouched, possibly in front)

ambersons over the stranger?

[Donaldj]

Jesus fucking christ, don't speak with authority if you have no clue what you are babbling on about...

LoL, fair enough. It's been about 10 years since I took the film class where I first saw it and was beaten over the head with it. I guess what I was talking about was the jump sequence that spans years. I was just using wrong terminology. Please correct my mistake :)

[wmgaretjax]

LoL, fair enough. It's been about 10 years since I took the film class where I first saw it and beaten over the head with it. Please correct my mistake :)

You are certainly right in saying that Citizen Kane experiments with non-linear editing. Calling it the first is insane though, considering there are plenty of silent films that experimented with the same thing a couple decades before.

It's this exact kind of hyperbole that has raised Citizen Kane to the heights of "greatest film of all time." It's a great film, but people seem to think that Welles invented modern cinema, and he didn't.

[RotationSlimWang]

Well, with all due respect, he was decades ahead of the curve, Jared. He invented entirely new kinds of lenses to add unheard of depth of field to his shots, and actually within the realm of "talkies" (love how you're willing to go back to fucking silent film to make a point) Kane WAS one of the first notable pictures to employ such a disjointed timeline.

Whether or not it's technically THE first is less important than whether it's the first that most anyone has ever watched. How many other films from 1941 can most people name? There's a reason--most of them sucked.

[wmgaretjax]

Kane WAS one of the first notable American Hollywood pictures to employ such a disjointed timeline.

If you FIX this like I did above, then I'll give you a wary MAYBE. But...

Cocteau's Blood of a Poet (if you want to talk about creating new lenses for a film, non-linear editing... and 10 years before... and massively successful). To start with this is a HUGE one. Then there are the films of Bunuel and Rene Clair, another hugely popular film maker that was widely seen... And these are only the painfully obvious ones getting in the way of such a ridiculous statement.

In the context of American cinema, it certainly stands out as one of a few beacons in an awful period of film making. That is undeniable.

[RotationSlimWang]

Fine, take out the Hollywood and just leave American though. Just like an art school kid to start throwing fucking French film around.

[Donaldj]

Just like an art school kid to start throwing fucking French film around.

LoL, I just coughed up my bottled water.

[PotVsKtl]

(love how you're willing to go back to fucking silent film to make a point)

Uh. You're being stupid again.

[RotationSlimWang]

Disagree. Silent film is effectively a completely different medium than film with sound. Sorry.

[wmgaretjax]

Fine, take out the Hollywood and just leave American though. Just like an art school kid to start throwing fucking French film around.

Cinema was born in France, how can I not go back to France when talking about early cinema? This is ridiculous...

[Donaldj]

Didn't Thomas Edison invent the motion picture camera and shoot the first films? Again going on rusty film school memory here.

[wmgaretjax]

Didn't Thomas Edison invent the motion picture camera and shoot the first films?

Edison was the first to project a film. But I'm not talking about where the camera was born. I'm talking about where cinema was born.

As far as the moving picture camera goes, a whole bunch of people experimented with similar models at the same time in the late 19th century. Generally the Lumiere brothers are given the credit... It's debatable...

[PotVsKtl]

Disagree. Silent film is effectively a completely different medium than film with sound. Sorry.

Not when you're talking about fucking editing conventions and the history of film you bulbous clod.

[PotVsKtl]

Bottom line, you're not qualified for this conversation RSW.

[RotationSlimWang]

Back up, dickbreaths.

First of all, Pot, we're not talking about editing conventions, we're talking about storytelling conventions. Making a disjointed timeline work in a medium of only one sensory stimuli and it's limitations is a completely different matter than making it work in a vastly more complicated medium. Moving pictures are not the same thing as film. It's not a question of editing, it's a question of making the upsetting nature of non-linear story work within the confines of a 2.5 hour recreation of real life.

And Jared, fuck you and fuck the French. They didn't invent cinema--it was a give and take across both sides of the pond. Assholes like you always want to give the Euros credit for this shit when the fact is both sides influenced each other. So blow your black-and-white, silent film idolatizing horseshit up your ass.

[wmgaretjax]

I listed film makers that made "talkies" Randy. I'm not only referring to silent film. I also didn't use the word "invent." That's all irrelevant though, because you have no clue what you are talking about.

[real talk]

::reclines, grabs pretzel bites::

[wmgaretjax]

::reclines, grabs pretzel bites::

The kind with peanut butter in 'em? mmmm.

[PotVsKtl]

Back up, dickbreaths.

First of all, Pot, we're not talking about editing conventions, we're talking about storytelling conventions. Making a disjointed timeline work in a medium of only one sensory stimuli and it's limitations is a completely different matter than making it work in a vastly more complicated medium.

Adding sound makes storytelling vastly more complicated? Get your hands out of your ass, you can't retreat yourself inside out. Have you seen many silent films? You are aware they tell actual stories, correct?

[wmgaretjax]

Yeah, but they are silent stories... So the upsetting nature of the non-linear storytelling is less profound.

[RotationSlimWang]

Adding sound makes storytelling vastly more complicated? Get your hands out of your ass, you can't retreat yourself inside out. Have you seen many silent films? You are aware they tell actual stories, correct?

You're talking about the difference between moving pictures and the first art form that can actually completely replicate real life. The differences are monumental. But sure, be a dick and act like that's not the case. Like having inserts of written dialogue doesn't completely hamper the storyteller's ability to deliver information to the audience. Why, I bet you could get 20 words in every three minutes without it feeling like a massively obtrusive injection into the story. Just think of all that you could convey with those twenty words.

Jared, you be as much of an authority about film history as you want. I don't care enough about it. Fact remains that you can't find much evidence of timelines like Kane in Hollywood before Welles came onto the scene, and there's precious little examples of it being executed as well as Kane in all the years since.

[PotVsKtl]

You're talking about the difference between moving pictures and the first art form that can actually completely replicate real life. The differences are monumental. But sure, be a dick and act like that's not the case. Like having inserts of written dialogue doesn't completely hamper the storyteller's ability to deliver information to the audience. Why, I bet you could get 20 words in every three minutes without it feeling like a massively obtrusive injection into the story. Just think of all that you could convey with those twenty words.

So in other words it's more difficult to tell a complex story without the use of sound? Glad we cleared that up.

[Donaldj]

PotVsKtl: With today's average movie fan I would say yes. Hell, critics worried Wall-E would turn off it's audience with just a lack of dialogue in the first 15 minutes or so.

[wmgaretjax]

Fact remains that you can't find much evidence of timelines like Kane in Hollywood before Welles came onto the scene, and there's precious little examples of it being executed as well as Kane in all the years since.

Why restrict discussion of cinema to Hollywood? It's just silly.

[RotationSlimWang]

So in other words it's more difficult to tell a complex story without the use of sound? Glad we cleared that up.

Well of course. Including sound in the equation is no smaller a leap in terms of the ability and complication of the storytelling than the difference between non-moving pictures and film. It compounds everything exponentially. Film with the inclusion of sound is a totally different ballgame.

[RotationSlimWang]

Why restrict discussion of cinema to Hollywood? It's just silly.

I'm not restricting it to just Hollywood, but you'll always be able to find exceptions to any "first." There's firsts and there's firsts. Touch Of Evil wasn't the first film to use all sourced music either I'm sure, but you can sure as fuck bet nobody else in the mainstream was trying to do it and you have to give a big dose of credit for that. I'm sure somebody did it first and if I was an art school asshole I might know who, but I'm not so I don't and don't care. What I care about is who did it really, really fucking well--and he did.

[PotVsKtl]

I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. That means I win.

http://www.silentfilmstillarchive.com/stills/mediums_nemesis1.jpg

[wmgaretjax]

I'm not restricting it to just Hollywood, but you'll always be able to find exceptions to any "first." There's firsts and there's firsts. Touch Of Evil wasn't the first film to use all sourced music either I'm sure, but you can sure as fuck bet nobody else in the mainstream was trying to do it and you have to give a big dose of credit for that. I'm sure somebody did it first and if I was an art school asshole I might know who, but I'm not so I don't and don't care. What I care about is who did it really, really fucking well--and he did.

But you see... Rene Clair was in the mainstream. Just the mainstream in France... It's not that it wasn't just the first, it's that there are decades of both non-mainstream and mainstream films (silent and talkie alike) that lead up to how Welles executed Citizen Kane. People treat it like it was an island in cinema, and it wasn't, it was an island in Hollywood. That's my fucking issue.

[Bosco]

is that gypsy john malkovich?

[downingthief]

I was thinking it was Ron Perlman.

[RotationSlimWang]

I don't really think you can call another country with another language's mainstream the same mainstream as here. As evidenced by the fact that practically no one knows who the fuck they are. Will you just drop this horseshit argument that somebody somewhere was doing it first? Cause if you go to Rene Clair then someone else can just go to another country or to silent film, and if you go to silent film then somebody else can just go to theatre, and it goes on forever and ever. it's fucking silly.

[roberto73]

I find this conversation to be refreshingly postmodern in its discursive, non-linear aesthetic.

[wmgaretjax]

it's fucking silly.

Agreed. It is fucking silly to exalt Welles to heights that he doesn't deserve.

[Green Panda]

Agreed. It is fucking silly to exalt Welles to heights that he doesn't deserve.

He was the first director in history to say "ACTION!" and clip that clipy black and white thing which i've never understood.

[PotVsKtl]

I don't really think you can call another country with another language's mainstream the same mainstream as here. As evidenced by the fact that practically no one knows who the fuck they are. Will you just drop this horseshit argument that somebody somewhere was doing it first? Cause if you go to Rene Clair then someone else can just go to another country or to silent film, and if you go to silent film then somebody else can just go to theatre, and it goes on forever and ever. it's fucking silly.

So French films are not part of the history of cinema because they're in a different language? Honestly, Randolph, you're smarter than this. I think. The fact that you don't know shit about films outside of Hollywood is your fault, don't take it out on time.

[wmgaretjax]

Well... It's kind of like a silent film right? Because Randy can't understand it?

But then again, compositing subtitles on top of a film adds the potential for exponential increases in complexity that can change the nature of cinema forever!

[RotationSlimWang]

So French films are not part of the history of cinema because they're in a different language? Honestly, Randolph, you're smarter than this. I think. The fact that you don't know shit about films outside of Hollywood is your fault, don't take it out on time.

Didn't say anything about the history of cinema--the term employed by Jared was "the mainstream." One culture's mainstream is not another culture's mainstream. Honestly, Pot, you're smarter than this.

[Green Panda]

Randy's ego is currently at war with his submissive pot yearnings.

[real talk]

I don't think it's Randy's ignorance nor is it his lust for Pot that leads him in the spirally arguments; I honestly think it's a physical inability to admit that he's wrong or that someone knows more than he does. His brain cannot process that.

[RotationSlimWang]

I already admitted Jared knows more than me on the subject, actually. I just disagree that all the knowledge is pertinent to the argument I made that Pot and Jared decided to get all humpty about. You can play chicken and the egg forever.

[real talk]

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/digitalunderground.jpg

[Green Panda]

I don't think it's Randy's ignorance nor is it his lust for Pot that leads him in the spirally arguments; I honestly think it's a physical inability to admit that he's wrong or that someone knows more than he does. His brain cannot process that.

And he'll be god damned if he capitualtes to Jared.

[RotationSlimWang]

Well Jared's a douchebag. No capitulating to douchebags. Or capitualting either, I suppose.

[real talk]

I like Jared. I think he's really smart and has seen so much for somebody his age.

[RotationSlimWang]

I like him too. But all the liking Jared in the world won't make him not a douchebag. Art school has irreparable effects on a young man.

[PotVsKtl]

http://www.themeparkreview.com/buffalo03/ml/ml14.jpg

[PotVsKtl]

I like him too. But all the liking Jared in the world won't make him not a douchebag. Art school has irreparable effects on a young man.

Yeah, it causes you to call out people when their Dreamlandcentric views result in profoundly incorrect statements about indisputable facts.

B.A. Moving Image Arts '99.

[wmgaretjax]

I like him too. But all the liking Jared in the world won't make him not a douchebag. Art school has irreparable effects on a young man.

I only kind of went to art school. I spent more time programming and working on engineering projects than I did "art." So maybe the semi-effects of my mistakes are reparable with time?

For a second I thought I was gonna learn this awesome cool new word capitualting... Turns out THE GREEN FUCKING PANDA has fat fingers.

[Green Panda]

I only kind of went to art school. I spent more time programming and working on engineering projects than I did "art." So maybe the semi-effects of my mistakes are reparable with time?

For a second I thought I was gonna learn this awesome cool new word capitualting... Turns out Yabs has fat fingers.

I'M THE GREEN FUCKING PANDA!

[RotationSlimWang]

Hahahaha, seriously? Moving Image Arts, huh? So what kind of terribly overwrought pieces of art film do you unleash upon the world?

You and Jared go have fun with the French silent film world. Me and Welles will continue to take all the credit. And rightfully fucking so.

[Green Panda's Sister]

Sleep all night. Fuck all day. High five brohammer.

[schoolofruckus]

I'M THE GREEN FUCKING PANDA!

Awwww bitch, you got jacked, bitch.

[PotVsKtl]

Hahahaha, seriously? Moving Image Arts, huh? So what kind of terribly overwrought pieces of art film do you unleash upon the world?

You and Jared go have fun with the French silent film world. Me and Welles will continue to take all the credit. And rightfully fucking so.

I once made a 15 minute film zooming in and out on three pieces of colored contruction paper with my hand over the lens the whole time. It was dedicated to Joel and Ethel Rosenberg and set to a Sonic Youth song. On Hi8. With randomly spliced discarded 16mm strips projected on top of it.

[RotationSlimWang]

=) And that's exactly why I have no problem with losing this argument.

[Ted Berthalaname]

Teddy Boy love fingering hos at midnight Iron Eagle screenings!
http://www.dio.net/pictures_cd/iron_eagle_front_big.jpg
Tedddyyyy! lol

[Young blood]

Teddy is a mans man. I would shotgun beers with him.

[Down Rodeo]

How many other films from 1941 can most people name? There's a reason--most of them sucked.

The Maltese Falcon

[kitt kat]

Just got back from the Biggie movie. I have to write my review on it by Thursday at noon; think it's running Friday? So I'm still piecing together my thoughts...

BUT...definitely worth seeing. There's a handful of uber cliche/annoying music biopic moments (like shots zooming up the Billboard charts to the artist's #1 spot...ugh...and a montage with photo shoots and shopping and magazine covers...) As expected, though, the soundtrack is great, the cinematography is really good, and the whole overall "feel" of the movie captured the tension of the era pretty well. Acting is enjoyable...

My only problem was that I couldn't decide what side the movie was taking in regards to Biggie's morals. It could have been neutral (and for the most part, it was) but it did ultimately glorify him as a demi-god. Hard for me to grasp after seeing him disrespect every single woman in the movie who loved and care for him (his mom, his high school baby momma, Lil Kim, Faith Evans...)

[schoolofruckus]

Post-modern discursive aestheticism.

[kitt kat]

Cinema was born in France, how can I not go back to France when talking about early cinema? This is ridiculous...

Ahem...I hate to enter an old argument...

NARRATIVE film began in France...and WHOOOOOOOOOOOO was the first narrative film director?

Alice Guy.


OH YEAH SHE'S A LADY.

BOO YAH.

[RotationSlimWang]

Yeah, but they had to wait til a guy started making narrative film before a good one could ever come to pass. =)

[RotationSlimWang]

What was Alice's work about? Dating and big sunglasses?

[wmgaretjax]

Ahem...I hate to enter an old argument...

NARRATIVE film began in France...and WHOOOOOOOOOOOO was the first narrative film director?

Alice Guy.


OH YEAH SHE'S A LADY.

BOO YAH.

Yeah, and after she divorced her husband (who produced and shot most of her films) she became a washed up hack. Coincidence? Probably not.

[schoolofruckus]

A Sundance entry called Bronson. One of the pull-quotes calls it a "21st Century Clockwork Orange". I don't know if it's quite aiming that high, but it does look fucking hilarious.

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[RedThom]

Just got back from the Biggie movie. I have to write my review on it by Thursday at noon; think it's running Friday? So I'm still piecing together my thoughts...

BUT...definitely worth seeing. There's a handful of uber cliche/annoying music biopic moments (like shots zooming up the Billboard charts to the artist's #1 spot...ugh...and a montage with photo shoots and shopping and magazine covers...) As expected, though, the soundtrack is great, the cinematography is really good, and the whole overall "feel" of the movie captured the tension of the era pretty well. Acting is enjoyable...

My only problem was that I couldn't decide what side the movie was taking in regards to Biggie's morals. It could have been neutral (and for the most part, it was) but it did ultimately glorify him as a demi-god. Hard for me to grasp after seeing him disrespect every single woman in the movie who loved and care for him (his mom, his high school baby momma, Lil Kim, Faith Evans...)


"Notorious" seems like it would be as forgettable as "Walk the Line"

[ivankay]

How many other films from 1941 can most people name? There's a reason--most of them sucked.

The Maltese Falcon

The winner for best picture that year was How Green Was My Valley. Film gets a lot of hate because it won over Kane, but it's a great film as well. When comparing the two, i always go with Kane being for your head and Valley being for your heart and tear ducts.

[bmack86]

Early French films were very popular in the US as well. It was just that, after World War 1, the European economy was kinda piss poor, so they couldn't immediately afford to resume production of their bigger works, and Hollywood became dominant.

Sayin'

[slipmode]

one of my all time favorites.

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[wmgaretjax]

I could make a pretty good case, if slightly unusual, for Rules of the Game being the best war film of all time.

[RotationSlimWang]

I find that highly unlikely, but I'm sure you could make the argument. Wouldn't change the fact that it's still Apocalypse Now, of course.

[PotVsKtl]

You're not allowed to make your shitty drugs movie until you learn more about movies.

[RotationSlimWang]

My movie is brilliant, thank you, and no art film douchebags are allowed to weigh in on the subject matter. If any of the best filmmakers of the last ten years had film degrees you might have a leg to stand on, but they don't so you don't.*

*Exception to Darren Aronofsky, who is only half good, and the other half can be almost directly attributed to having gone to AFI.

[PotVsKtl]

I have a moving image arts degree. It's different from a film degree but I could never explain it to a layman.

[RotationSlimWang]

I'm pretty sure I can tell the difference--you got a degree in things no reasonable person could ever possibly want to spend time watching.

[PotVsKtl]

Typical layman mistake.

[RotationSlimWang]

Sorry, I got into art because I like making things about life, not about moving images.

[RotationSlimWang]

So are you a cartoonist or what?

[wmgaretjax]

I find that highly unlikely, but I'm sure you could make the argument. Wouldn't change the fact that it's still Apocalypse Now, of course.

It's not a war movie in the traditional sense at all... But it's a fantastic film no matter how you cut it. As is Apocalypse Now.

Side note, what did you think of Redux? I never saw it because I heard it was just bloated... But I'd be interested to hear what you think.

[RotationSlimWang]

As a total film the original was the way to go, but most of the added stuff was really pretty interesting. One sequence in particular where they come across the helicopter the Playmates had flown away in and Sheen trades them fuel in exchange for Playmate pussy for all the guys is fucking unreal.

[Down Rodeo]

I finally saw Happy-Go-Lucky tonight and I loved it. Sally Hawkins absolutely deserved her GG.

[schoolofruckus]

I watched Towelhead last night. It was an interesting film - a darkly comic take on adolescent sexuality and racism. Pretty fucked up, and definitely not made without courage. But it's also far from perfect. I'd say give it a shot if you're a fan of Alan Ball.

Out of sheer sloth, I don't really feel like talking about it further.

[whynotsmile99]

so wb/fox reached an agreement about Watchmen


http://www.reuters.com/article/industryNews/idUSTRE50F19F20090116

[Down Rodeo]

I finally got around to seeing Benjamin Button and count me among those who were very disappointed. I'm gonna give Fincher the benefit of the doubt and blame this on the mediocre script provided by Roth.

[indietron]

I watched The Butterfly Effect tonight... Pretty great movie. I love thinking about time/space. Its crazy to try to grasp

[tessalasset]

kind of excited for Adventureland, not gonna lie.

[tessalasset]

oh and i just sat through tropic thunder and it really wasn't as good as everyone said it was. it wasn't bad by any means, just not "fucking hilarious."

[KungFuJoe]

kind of excited for Adventureland, not gonna lie.


I'm with you Tessa. Although, the only reason may be because I have very fond memories of summers spent at Adventureland during my childhood & adolescence. I wish they would've shot it at THE adventureland, but I guess the director couldn't get permission or wanted to shoot at a bigger amusement park. With the cast it has, it could be fun.

[BlueDevil50]

oh and i just sat through tropic thunder and it really wasn't as good as everyone said it was. it wasn't bad by any means, just not "fucking hilarious."

i agree...only downey jr. was really funny at times.

[C DUB YA]

the most excellent JOY DIVISION documentary is up over on Pitchfork TV.

for one week only - it's an excellent documentary, go watch it if you don't already own it.

http://pitchfork.tv/week/joy-division/

[KungFuJoe]

First clips of Chan-Wook Park's new vampire film THIRST. I hope you understand Korean or Korean sign language. Can't wait for this one to be released.

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[kitt kat]

the most excellent JOY DIVISION documentary is up over on Pitchfork TV.

for one week only - it's an excellent documentary, go watch it if you don't already own it.

http://pitchfork.tv/week/joy-division/

the documentary is VERY good. I recommend it to anyone interested. AS far as JD movies go, it blows Control out of the water.

[mountmccabe]

Side note, what did you think of Redux? I never saw it because I heard it was just bloated... But I'd be interested to hear what you think.

As a total film the original was the way to go, but most of the added stuff was really pretty interesting. One sequence in particular where they come across the helicopter the Playmates had flown away in and Sheen trades them fuel in exchange for Playmate pussy for all the guys is fucking unreal.

There were things about the theatrical version that puzzled me; turns out many of them were references to things that were cut out. For example, there is a scene after that helicopter bit where the Chief complains to Willard about running low on fuel.

In general, Redux had a lot that is rather essential to the movie making sense, to the journey. The French plantation part in particular helps the film so much with balance and adds important historical context and depth.

The theatrical version is more taut, though. It is also still long. It is also still my favorite film of ever.

[paulb]

I just saw Eagle Eye....pretty entertaining, nothing groundbreaking, but I enjoyed the story, alot better than Hancock....

[ivankay]

Earlier i saw Waltzing with Bashir. i think this is one of those great war films. The animation is cool and all, but the story is the strongest element of this film. i want to know how war vets who see this film are reacting, thinking and feeling. Strong stuff.

[PotVsKtl]

I just saw Eagle Eye....pretty entertaining, nothing groundbreaking, but I enjoyed the story, alot better than Hancock....

We could do with less retard input in this thread. Thanks.

[paulb]

i dont give a shit about over analyzing films...just tell me if its good or not.

[PotVsKtl]

It's Eagle Eye. It's shit, and nobody wants to hear about it.

[paulb]

I get pleasure out of reading my own posts.

[RotationSlimWang]

I get pleasure out of reading my own posts.

But you would have to be an idiot to get pleasure out of reading such stupid shit.

[RotationSlimWang]

I watched The Butterfly Effect tonight... Pretty great movie. I love thinking about time/space. Its crazy to try to grasp

The Butterfly Effect makes me want to stab eyes out. The title just demonstrates that nobody involved with the movie has the slightest idea what "the butterfly effect" actually means.

Also anyone that can stand watching Ashton Kutcher should be gassed.

[C DUB YA]

Saw Slumdog Millionaire tonight - loved the shit out of it.

great movie.

[indietron]

The Butterfly Effect makes me want to stab eyes out. The title just demonstrates that nobody involved with the movie has the slightest idea what "the butterfly effect" actually means.

Yeah im pretty sure i know what your talking about. Its called the chaos theory right?? Like one flap of a butterfly's wing could alter weather patterns, or something like that.

[Jenniehoo]

Saw Slumdog Millionaire tonight - loved the shit out of it.

great movie.

It was my favorite movie of the year - I'm glad that it's doing so well. But I'm preparing myself for the backlash against it.

My favorite things about Danny Boyle are his visuals but also how well he manages to incorporate the music in the film to the scenes. I always want the soundtracks/scores to his movies and it's not because the songs are so epic, but it's because of how integrally he connects the shots with the music. Sound is a part of the storytelling and because of that, it's never just background music. I remember feelings with certain score pieces even when I can't remember what scene they were used in. It's just a really cool element for movies to tap into that is underused.

[whynotsmile99]

i just watched Salo.

i don't know what i have to say about it

[sacleonard]

Saw Slumdog Millionaire tonight - loved the shit out of it.

great movie.

I have it in my Netflix queue. Unfortunately, having two young children, we see more at home and less on the big screen.

[RotationSlimWang]

My favorite things about Danny Boyle are his visuals but also how well he manages to incorporate the music in the film to the scenes. I always want the soundtracks/scores to his movies and it's not because the songs are so epic, but it's because of how integrally he connects the shots with the music. Sound is a part of the storytelling and because of that, it's never just background music. I remember feelings with certain score pieces even when I can't remember what scene they were used in. It's just a really cool element for movies to tap into that is underused.

FUCKING Q FUCKING F FUCKING T.

Wow Jen, way to hit it on the head there. That's always been one of the reasons that I consider Trainspotting to be tied for the best ever. It was that movie that put such an indelible impression on my brain about how music should be integrated into a film.

Nowadays I find that the songs I really, really love and end up listening to repeatedly over and over are ones that trigger imaginary scenes in my head. With my last script I found that it ended up getting structured by the order of the scenes involving music.

[schoolofruckus]

First clips of Chan-Wook Park's new vampire film THIRST. I hope you understand Korean or Korean sign language. Can't wait for this one to be released.

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Well, it looks as pretty as his films usually.....I'm hoping it's a worthy comeback. I was heavily disappointed by Lady Vengeance, and I still haven't been able to get more than 10 minutes into I'm a Cyborg, But That 's Okay.

[real talk]

They should get him for New Moon.

[bmack86]

i just watched Salo.

i don't know what i have to say about it

You'll never look at shit and rape the same way again.

[Mr.Nipples]

i just watched Salo.

i don't know what i have to say about it

JUST EAT IT...
EAT IT...
DONT YOU MAKE ME REPEAT IT!

[wmgaretjax]

You'll never look at shit and rape the same way again.

I never was able to think about my aristocratic Italian friends the same way....

[bmack86]

I always knew my rich italian friends were like that. That's why we're friends.

[Mr.Nipples]

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[KungFuJoe]

Well, it looks as pretty as his films usually.....I'm hoping it's a worthy comeback. I was heavily disappointed by Lady Vengeance, and I still haven't been able to get more than 10 minutes into I'm a Cyborg, But That 's Okay.


yeah. Lady Vengeance was a huge disappointment. I'm a Cyborg was definately tough to get through. The pacing sucked, but there are some wonderful sequences in it & ultimately I believe it is better than Lady Vengeance. Did you watch the CNN interview with Park that touched on Thirst and why he made Cyborg? It's a decent segment. I'm hopeful that Thirst will be great, especially since Song Kang-ho stars in it.

Going to watch IP MAN tonight.

[shakermaker113]

I concur on the lady vengeance stuff. I'd not heard of cyborg until now though. is it worth adding my my netflix queue?

[KungFuJoe]

It's worth a watch if you are bored. Think a more sci fi bizarro Benny & Joon.

[canexplain]

Yeah im pretty sure i know what your talking about. Its called the chaos theory right?? Like one flap of a butterfly's wing could alter weather patterns, or something like that.

basically you are right, but here is the wiki def ... no wonder it is confusing all in all ..... cr****

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/canexplain/butterfly1.jpg



http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j211/canexplain/butterfly2.jpg


These figures show two segments of the three-dimensional evolution of two trajectories (one in blue, the other in yellow) for the same period of time in the Lorenz attractor starting at two initial points that differ only by 10-5 in the x-coordinate. Initially, the two trajectories seem coincident, as indicated by the small difference between the z coordinate of the blue and yellow trajectories, but for t > 23 the difference is as large as the value of the trajectory. The final position of the cones indicates that the two trajectories are no longer coincident at t=30.


btw, i watched The Cars That Ate Paris today, those aussies are so strange

[menikmati]

I just saw Juno for the first time tonight...omg I fucking hate it - her - everything regarding this film. Can't fucking stand it.

[Boourns]

I just saw Juno for the first time tonight...omg I fucking hate it - her - everything regarding this film. Can't fucking stand it.

Honest to blog?

[schoolofruckus]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingstopboards.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingsboards1.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingsboards21.jpg

[psychic friend]

I just saw Juno for the first time tonight...omg I fucking hate it - her - everything regarding this film. Can't fucking stand it.

weird I just watched Juno for the first time last night too.
I thought it was cute. and humorous in some parts.

[vinylmartyr]

It was my favorite movie of the year - I'm glad that it's doing so well. But I'm preparing myself for the backlash against it.

My favorite things about Danny Boyle are his visuals but also how well he manages to incorporate the music in the film to the scenes. I always want the soundtracks/scores to his movies and it's not because the songs are so epic, but it's because of how integrally he connects the shots with the music. Sound is a part of the storytelling and because of that, it's never just background music. I remember feelings with certain score pieces even when I can't remember what scene they were used in. It's just a really cool element for movies to tap into that is underused.


A R Rahman preformed at the bowl a few years back.

[menikmati]

weird I just watched Juno for the first time last night too.
I thought it was cute. and humorous in some parts.

To me, I just thought her character (Juno) and some of the situations were so forced....like the writers and actors themselves tried WAYYYYY too hard to make it seem hip and indie....totally just seem to pretentious and faked. But meh...

[stinkbutt]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingstopboards.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingsboards1.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingsboards21.jpg

I hadn't even heard about this

Watched The Wrestler the other night and liked it a lot. Mickey Rourke was great in every possible way

still think Slumdog was the best movie of the year

[atom heart]

Those Wild Things are exactly the way I needed them to look. Fantastic! I can't wait to see this movie. There needs to be more children's films that don't try to scoop out your eyes with crappy, busy visuals.

[schoolofruckus]

I'm pretty sure Spike's Where the Wild Things Are is going to end up not being a kid's movie.

[Stefinitely Maybe]

This might sound weird, but I really really wish Elbow had been asked to do the soundtrack for Where The Wild Things Are. I think they would be PERFECT for it.

I guess I'll just have to wait for this. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/sep/24/popandrock.elbow.kids.project)

[RotationSlimWang]

Yeah im pretty sure i know what your talking about. Its called the chaos theory right?? Like one flap of a butterfly's wing could alter weather patterns, or something like that.

The Butterfly Effect is an anecdotal demonstration of Chaos Theory. What it basically states is that if you created an absolutely perfect model of the entire Earth's weather systems, a model that could predict with complete certainty every single factor of weather in every single place throughout the world for fifty years BUT forgot to take into account one butterfly flapping its wings anywhere on the planet... that the effect of that butterfly would be completely negligible for the first week, month, year even, but after several decades the impact of that one butterfly's wings would have compounded to the point that the entire model would be inaccurate.

Short version: Chaos Theory is about how causality can be impossible to establish particularly over long periods of time because there are an infinite number of tiny factors that contribute to each and every situation coming to pass. The reason The Butterfly Effect pisses me off as a movie is that what happens in the movie has nothing to do with that--with every permutation of the events that happen that day way in their past the end result in the future is perfectly fucking logical. No Butterfly Effect whatsoever.

He blows his arms off, he doesn't have the hot girlfriend. Surprise surprise.

[atom heart]

The book is for children, why can't the movie be? (I'm not being narrow here. As long as Spike's movie doesn't have gratuitous sex I consider it fair game for children). This is from someone who saw Alien (albeit on the TV) when she was around eight.

[PotVsKtl]

Nobody said the movie couldn't theoretically be for children. It's just doubtful Jonze knows how to make a movie for children. Also, schoolofruckus has super insider information. I heard he designed the Coachella '09 poster.

[bartelby]

just saw Fugitive Pieces the other day - what a great film...the cinematography was fantastic

[shakermaker113]

I saw Waltz with Bashir tonight. it was good. don't go out of your way, but if you have the chance it's worth an hour and a half of your life.

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[kretz]

Seen a lot of movies in the last few weeks:.

Yes Man- 4/10
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button- 10/10
The Wrestler- 9/10
Valkyrie- 7/10
Revolutionary Road- 6/10
Gran Torino- 8/10

Benjamin Button was amazing, fuck the haters, great film. The Wrestler was great, Rourke is amazing and it's the best indie film I've seen in awhile. Valkyrie was well directed but the script was spotty at times. Revolutionary Road was bleh, Leo was great but Kate Winslet overacted and it felt more like a play than a movie, too much of a downer too. Gran Torino ruled, Clint Eastwood making racist jokes and being badass= solid movie. Oh yeah and Yes Man sucked.

Also menikmati I agree on Juno, it's crap. Tries too hard to be hip, I never got the big fuss over it.

[RoyBrisby]

Watched El Topo two nights ago, very intriguing and fucking weird. The tagline for the film (according to IMDB) is:

"See the naked young Franciscans whipped with cactus. See the bandit leader disemboweled. See the priest ride into the sunset with a midget and her newborn baby. What it all means isn't exactly clear, but you won't forget it."

Trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtGUx4kXIEY

El Topo Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtGUx4kXIEY)

[wmgaretjax]

I saw Waltz With Bashir today, I would go out of your way to see it. It's an absolutely stunning film and one of the most compelling and unique documentaries I've ever seen. The animation is breath taking and the music (for the most part) is really wonderful. It doesn't try to make sense of the conflict at all, rather it's simply a film about the way war lingers in the minds of those who were a part of it. For a film about such a loaded topic, it manages to remain entirely human, completely preventing itself from any attempts at making sense of the situation. Very much like Errol Morris in that respect...

I also watched Flight of the Red Balloon today, and it is easily one of my favorites of 2008. Hsiao-hsien is undoubtedly one of the greatest living film makers and this film is no exception. It is slightly more playful than his other features, but there is a tension and strain that sits beneath the surface and exhausts you without you even realizing it. It's clearly a love-song for cinema and Paris, but it's also about simple, unglamorous problems and how difficult it is to separate yourself from them. An incredible film...

I also saw In the City of Sylvia , a very simple and straightforward film about moment just out of reach. It's about a young man who meets a woman who slips through his fingers, and he returns to find her six years later. The film is incredibly slow-paced, completely unconcerned with anything beyond the young man and his perspective. Moments of the film veer into visual poems rather than traditional narrative, but the seamless way these moments come about are fascinating. It does what it sets out to do very well, and is well worth watching if this kind of film sounds interesting to you.

[fillmorejiveguy87]

I saw No Country the other Day. It was really good but the ending was lame!

[wmgaretjax]

These fucking people are bringing me down...

[PotVsKtl]

Totally!

[thatfinkleygirl]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingstopboards.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingsboards1.jpg

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingsboards21.jpg

FUCK. YES.
i cannot wait for this movie. i hope the studios didn't kid it down too much and just let spike jonze do his thing, but i'll see it no matter what.

[Neutral Milk Hotel]

I actually got a pass to go to a test screening of Where the Wild Things are in late 07, but I waited too late to register. :( I'll probably regret that for the rest of my life, especially since the temp tracks they used for score were Arcade Fire tunes.

[Hannahrain]

Oh god. Please no. Please keep those pinstriped whiners away from this. No.

[Carnie100]

To me, I just thought her character (Juno) and some of the situations were so forced....like the writers and actors themselves tried WAYYYYY too hard to make it seem hip and indie....totally just seem to pretentious and faked. But meh...

Exactly how I felt about that movie. Her character is unreal. No teenage girl talks like that.

[thefunkylama]

To me, I just thought her character (Juno) and some of the situations were so forced....like the writers and actors themselves tried WAYYYYY too hard to make it seem hip and indie....totally just seem to pretentious and faked. But meh...

I felt exactly the same way but when i told steve that he got a little indignant. oh well.

[stinkbutt]

Exactly how I felt about that movie. Her character is unreal. No teenage girl talks like that.

unfortunately hipster girls do

[KungFuJoe]

I also watched Flight of the Red Balloon today, and it is easily one of my favorites of 2008. Hsiao-hsien is undoubtedly one of the greatest living film makers and this film is no exception. It is slightly more playful than his other features, but there is a tension and strain that sits beneath the surface and exhausts you without you even realizing it. It's clearly a love-song for cinema and Paris, but it's also about simple, unglamorous problems and how difficult it is to separate yourself from them. An incredible film...

I'm ashamed to admit I still have not seen a single film by Hsiao-hsien. I need to rectify this. Where should I start?

Furthermore, I should be ashamed to report that I saw My Blood Valentine 3D last night. It was a ridiculously good time though. The only way to enjoy this movie is in 3D with a crowded theater. Otherwise, it's crap of course.

Also, watched IP MAN which was a great martial arts film about Bruce Lee's master. I'm not entirely sure how factual the actual storyline is but it was pretty exciting, although I found the ending to be a bit of a dud. Probably the best leading role I've seen Donnie Yen in. It's on par with Jet Li's Fearless.

[wmgaretjax]

I would start with The Puppetmaster. That film is a really good introduction to his filmography.

[C DUB YA]

I actually got a pass to go to a test screening of Where the Wild Things are in late 07, but I waited too late to register. :( I'll probably regret that for the rest of my life, especially since the temp tracks they used for score were Arcade Fire tunes.

don't worry - with all the reshoots - it's a different movie by now.

[KungFuJoe]

I would start with The Puppetmaster. That film is a really good introduction to his filmography.

thanks. I may start with Three Times because I have instant access to that right now. Definitely will watch The Puppetmaster next.

[wmgaretjax]

thanks. I may start with Three Times because I have instant access to that right now. Definitely will watch The Puppetmaster next.

Be patient with Three Times, I think it's one of his tougher films. A very good one though.

[schoolofruckus]

This one is for the dumbass that said "fuck the haters" in this thread, with what I assume to be a straight face:


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[whynotsmile99]

ha

"it's just like Forest Gump...except No Aids"

[Mr.Nipples]

Oh god. Please no. Please keep those pinstriped whiners away from this. No.

+10000000

[whynotsmile99]

what a great avatar nipples

Total Recall is fantastic

[Mr.Nipples]

dont you mean...FANTAS-TIT!

[captncrzy]

This one is for the dumbass that said "fuck the haters" in this thread, with what I assume to be a straight face:


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That's fucking funny

[woogie846]

I watched the Wrestler yesterday. I thought it was really incredible.

[Mr.Nipples]

i watched kung fu panda just now solely for the appearance of james wong...

it sucked...

[whynotsmile99]

im watching Beauty Shop on Vh1

Kevin Bacon is amazing

[indietron]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wildthingstopboards.jpg

Very nice! I havent seen that one yet!

As one can tell, i love WTWTA ;)

http://www.filmwad.com/fw_images/2009/01/12/new-film-still-where-the-wild-things-are.jpg

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/movies2009/wildthings3.jpg

This is currently my desktop background
http://qs1435.pair.com/urbanout/blog/images/uploads/wild_things_are.jpg

[thatfinkleygirl]

This one is for the dumbass that said "fuck the haters" in this thread, with what I assume to be a straight face:


<object width="448" height="376" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000"><param name="movie" value="http://player.ordienetworks.com/flash/fodplayer.swf" /><param name="flashvars" value="key=1d76506803" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><embed width="448" height="376" flashvars="key=1d76506803" allowfullscreen="true" quality="high" src="http://player.ordienetworks.com/flash/fodplayer.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed></object><div style="text-align:center;width:448px;"><a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/1d76506803/the-curious-case-of-forrest-gump-from-fgump44" title="by FGump44">The Curious Case of Forrest Gump</a> - watch more <a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/" title="on Funny or Die">funny videos</a></div>

good lord, that's hilarious. and scarily accurate.

[PotVsKtl]

Fuck the haters. Benjamin Button changed my life.

[rage patton]

I heard of the Where The Wild Thing Are a while ago. I didn't think it was a good idea. Those screenshots look amazing though. I am excited.

[indietron]

This one is for the dumbass that said "fuck the haters" in this thread, with what I assume to be a straight face:


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Hahaha wow. I didnt realize they were that similar.

[BlueDevil50]

just watched slumdog and absolutely loved it. glad it wasn't one of those movies everyone loved for no reason(ben button). and tessa, just finished 6 feet under. ended up hating nate, loving david, brenda, and maya. season 5 really saved the series for me, what a great finale. probably the best one i've ever seen...kudos for you on having excellent taste.

[canexplain]

i just watched american psycho ... i havent seen that in years ..... very strange indeed ...it was weird seeing w dafoe as one of the normal and good guys .... cr****

[indietron]

I watched Amadeus and The Squid and the Whale this weekend.

Amadeus was great. I watched it simply because i have heard that it was great, even though i had no idea what it was about. As it began i thought it was going to be boring, but it ended up being an excellent movie. It held my attention the entire time. Great great film.

The Squid and the Whale was horrible. Although only like 80 minutes long, it felt like eternity. Plus the ending was awful. It just decided to end. I feel like there wasn't even much of a plot. Don't see this movie.

[PotVsKtl]

Amadeus ... i had no idea what it was about.

...

[wmgaretjax]

Noah Baumbach is one of the most underrated filmmakers around... I loved The Squid and the Whale, while a little too bitter and self-reflexive, it really captured what going through that kind of shit is like for all parties involved.

The ending was perfect I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It didn't just "decide to end" that moment was foreshadowed multiple times in the film. They spelled it out for you.

Oh, and I received a dvd screener in the mail today for a little film that I know nothing about... Came in this plain white case and just had Walk written on it... Maybe I'll check it out this weekend.

[indietron]

The ending was perfect I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It didn't just "decide to end" that moment was foreshadowed multiple times in the film. They spelled it out for you.

Yeah i understood the foreshadowing and that it was all spelled out. I just wanted it to have more substance i guess. They couldve gone past that.

[wmgaretjax]

Yeah i understood the foreshadowing and that it was all spelled out. I just wanted it to have more substance i guess. They couldve gone past that.

What the hell do you mean by substance? You wanted resolution. Not substance. You don't get resolution in those kinds of circumstances. Things are never resolved. That's the whole fucking point.

[bmack86]

Tell us what yhou think of Walk. I'm hearing it might be the blockbuster of the summer.

[indietron]

What the hell do you mean by substance? You wanted resolution. Not substance. You don't get resolution in those kinds of circumstances. Things are never resolved. That's the whole fucking point.

No. I did not want resolution. I wanted more substance. Not just to the ending either, the whole movie couldve used more of it. And please sir don't try to tell me what i want in a movie. And don't get all uptight.

[wmgaretjax]

nah, it's gonna be a Spring sleeper hit.

[KungFuJoe]

I heard it is going to be this years Juno

[wmgaretjax]

No. I did not want resolution. I wanted more substance. Not just to the ending either, the whole movie couldve used more of it. And please sir don't try to tell me what i want in a movie. And don't get all uptight.

The movie didn't lack substance, it was incredibly straight forward and engaged with exactly the themes it set out to tackle. I'm not sure what in the world you might expect from a film like this. You keep using the word substance over and over again, but what lacks substance is any commentary you've put forth about the movie so far. All you've aid so far is that they "just decided to end it" and "they could've gone past that," but you've failed to do anything other than just repeat the things I've said. It's not the move lacked substance, it's just that you were totally incapable of engaging with any substance the film had to offer.

Sure the film was probably a little too close to home for the director to make (it was about his childhood after all), I actually find it incredible that he kept it at 85 minutes when he could have easily overindulged himself. The movie was brutally honest with his own feelings about his parents. Enough so that he directly acknowledges in the film that his memories treat one spouse with favoritism and unfairly vilifies the other. But that's what makes the movie capable of being bitter, tender, and hysterical all at the same time. There are so many sides of family tragedy perfectly captured in this movie that I'm just convinced you got bored too quickly and decided not to pay attention. And that's me being nice.

[indietron]

I understand that my commentary has no substance. And for that im sorry. I honestly just dont want to write out why i feel that the characters were detatched and the plot seemed boring. I gave it my undivided attention, it just didn't capture my attention.

I didn't know that it was based off of his life, which is interesting. I caught the themes of tragedy that you brought up, and i thought he portrayed those well. However, in the end, i really just didn't like it.

Thank you for being nice btw.

[indietron]

I heard it is going to be this years Juno

Keep your eye out for a film titled Miss January. I heard its supposed to be a breakout film as well, similar to what Juno accomplished this year.

[wmgaretjax]

Ok. Well, no offense, but please no one listen to him. See this movie if you haven't already. It a really fantastic, straight-forward film that doesn't demand much but gives a lot in return.

[indietron]

Ok. Well, no offense, but please no one listen to him. See this movie if you haven't already. It a really fantastic, straight-forward film that doesn't demand much but gives a lot in return.

Well that discussion went well. Pretty different from the rest of the board about now... No yelling or mockery. Thank you sir. I highly respect your opinion

[RotationSlimWang]

I refuse to believe that anything named The Squid And The Whale is possibly worth watching.

Jared liking it confirms this. Problem solved.

[Down Rodeo]

Well that discussion went well. Pretty different from the rest of the board about now... No yelling or mockery. Thank you sir. I highly respect your opinion

Jared's opinions are usually fascinating, even if he can be a little smug in supplying them.

[paulb]

I just saw The Wrestler...I loved it.... awesome job my Mickey Rourke... could have used some more closure at the end though...

[ghettojournalist]

Oh man, "The Squid and the Whale" is pretty awesome. For me, it comes off as emotionally brutal, which I really dug. Jeff Daniels gives and amazing performance and I really like the kid from "Roger Dodger" Jesse Eisenberg. Watching this film made me watch "Kicking and Screaming", the 90s film-not the Will Ferrell film, so now I dig Noah Baumbach. I have a thing for fractured family films and this was an amazing $3 dvd pickup.

Watch it.

[KungFuJoe]

I just saw The Wrestler...I loved it.... awesome job my Mickey Rourke... could have used some more closure at the end though...


the end was perfect.

[Gonshman]

I refuse to believe that anything named The Squid And The Whale is possibly worth watching.

Jared liking it confirms this. Problem solved.

Have you seen it? You should at least give it a shot, if just to see Jeff Daniels role as the arrogant stepfather. He's so good in creating a despicable character that you just hate.

[sbessiso]

I saw The Man with Two Brains for the first time in years yesterday. Fucking ridiculous and totally hilarious. Definitely worth the $2.50 I spent on it

[garrett222]

What about 'the jerk'

"he hates these cans! stay away from those cans!"

[schoolofruckus]

Oh, and I received a dvd screener in the mail today for a little film that I know nothing about... Came in this plain white case and just had Walk written on it... Maybe I'll check it out this weekend.

Don't bother. It has no plot and no resolution.

Keep your eye out for a film titled Miss January. I heard its supposed to be a breakout film as well, similar to what Juno accomplished this year.

Do not want.

Oh man, "The Squid and the Whale" is pretty awesome. For me, it comes off as emotionally brutal, which I really dug. Jeff Daniels gives and amazing performance and I really like the kid from "Roger Dodger" Jesse Eisenberg. Watching this film made me watch "Kicking and Screaming", the 90s film-not the Will Ferrell film, so now I dig Noah Baumbach. I have a thing for fractured family films and this was an amazing $3 dvd pickup.

Watch it.

You got a DVD of Kicking and Screaming for $3? That's pretty nice, since I believe it's only out on Criterion. I've been meaning to see both that one and Margot at the Wedding for a while now.

I thought The Squid and the Whale was pretty damn good. The only problem I had with it was that I had a hard time buying that two college professors - self-styled intellectuals, they - had never heard "Hey You" by the time the film took place (early 80's?).

[bmack86]

Gabe, I can bring Kicking and Screamiing with me to Animal Collective if you want to borrow it. I can get it back when we Walk.

[schoolofruckus]

I think I'll take you up on that, Sir Bryan.

Have any of you Godard-heads seen Made in USA? It's playing at the Nuart this week, and I'm thinking about going to see it tonight. I was going to check out a doubleheader of Revolutionary Road and Waltz With Bashir so I could essentially knock out my "Best of 2008" list, but I don't know when I'll get a chance to see the Godard again because it's not out on DVD. Then again, my editor on Walk says that Pierrot le fou and Masculin, feminin both got Nuart runs just prior to an announced Criterion release. So maybe this isn't my only chance.

Recommendations, please.

[bmack86]

I saw that it was playing, and want to go check it out.

[wmgaretjax]

Made in USA is a really bizarre Godard movie in a lot of ways. You might know that it's inspired by The Big Sleep, but it features a lot of gender role swapping and play on the genre. It's not one of his best films, but it's definitely worth seeing if you like Godard.

I'm seeing Che tonight and then I'll be done with 2008 movie viewing as far as my year-end list goes.

[ghettojournalist]

You got a DVD of Kicking and Screaming for $3? That's pretty nice, since I believe it's only out on Criterion.

sorry for the confusion. I picked up "The Squid and the Whale" for $3.
If I found "Kicking and Screaming" for that price. then I would flip out.

[karecares]

and if i don't know godard which would be the best movie to see?

[karecares]

i saw che and i thought it was great, benecio does a great job imo. i don't know as much about che as i'd like to comment on the accuracy vs creative liberties that they took. i started reading about him and had to put it down, its on my go back to list

[humanoid]

I've been really wanting to see Che, but have been too busy lately to commit the required time to see it...hopefully I'll get the opportunity, I've heard mostly positive things from friends who've seen it

[Down Rodeo]

and if i don't know godard which would be the best movie to see?

Maybe start with Breathless. I don't know, Godard can be tricky and off-putting - I'm still not sure how I feel about him.

[wmgaretjax]

Breathless or Band of Outsiders... Godard is really not a filmmaker you can maek up your mind with on one film though...

[Gonshman]

What was the name of the documentary that took video of all the people who jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge in one year?

[wmgaretjax]

a google of your post revealed this:

The Bridge

[indietron]

I just saw The Wrestler...I loved it.... awesome job my Mickey Rourke... could have used some more closure at the end though...

I just got done seeing The Wrestler. Very good film, Rourke was pretty great too.

I felt the same as you about the ending at first, but after thinking about it for a while, it couldn't have been more perfect. It was superb.

[WillyWonka5497]

if you've seen both parts 1 and 2 of Che, i'd love to hear an overall analysis of both films.

[schoolofruckus]

The ending of The Wrestler is the one aspect that is indisputably perfect. Come on, guys.

I just got punched in the back of the fucking skull by Waltz With Bashir. One of the most eye-opening, mind-blowing films I've ever seen.

EDIT: That said - I have a hard time seeing how it qualifies as a documentary. Seems very much like a non-fiction narrative, along the lines of 24 Hour Party People. Not that it really matters. It's plenty inventive in other ways.

[real talk]

Notorious is really, really, really really really bad.

[wmgaretjax]

EDIT: That said - I have a hard time seeing how it qualifies as a documentary. Seems very much like a non-fiction narrative, along the lines of 24 Hour Party People. Not that it really matters. It's plenty inventive in other ways.

I definitely fits into a gray area. Because a good chunk of the narration is interview ala Morris, and then visual interpretations are transposed on top of them. Great film regardless of how you classify it...

I don't think the ending of The Wrestler was indisputably perfect... I thought the first half of the film was incredible, and the second half was fairly typical. But I need to watch it again. Maybe then I can talk about it a little more. Don't get me wrong though, I loved it...

[Mr.Nipples]

there better be rape...
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[bmack86]

So rbert Downey jr got nominated for supporting for tropic thunder. Same with ledger for dark knight

[amyzzz]

I saw that Revolutionary Road didn't get any actor nominations except Michael Shannon for Best Supporting Actor. Interesting. They went with Kate Winslet for The Reader instead. I need to see that.

[captncrzy]

I'm suprised about the Reader-it was good, but it wasn't THAT good. Between Kate and Meryl, Meryl would win hands down.

[captncrzy]

Also, I'm pissed about Benjamin Button. What a bunch of horseshit. It should win for special effects, but that's about it.

[pancakespancakes]

Are we allowed to talk about contemporary but not brand-spankin-new movies in this thread?

If so... I finally watched the new David Lynch film this evening, Inland Empire. It took me forever to. And I still don't know what to think. It's out there. I'd like to watch it again, but it's so long, I just don't feel like I have the time to in the near future. I did enjoy it, but I just don't know what to say about it or make of it. Anyone here see it? Am I too late to talk and ask questions about it?

[Down Rodeo]

I didn't know what the fuck was going on either, but I enjoyed the ride.

[amyzzz]

Are we allowed to talk about contemporary but not brand-spankin-new movies in this thread?

If so... I finally watched the new David Lynch film this evening, Inland Empire. It took me forever to. And I still don't know what to think. It's out there. I'd like to watch it again, but it's so long, I just don't feel like I have the time to in the near future. I did enjoy it, but I just don't know what to say about it or make of it. Anyone here see it? Am I too late to talk and ask questions about it?
Yeah it's so long and there's so many bizarre things going on; I felt the same way. I wanted to watch it again, but SO LONG.

[JelloPuddingChat]

[QUOTE=schoolofruckus;944100]The ending of The Wrestler is the one aspect that is indisputably perfect. Come on, guys.

SPOILERS, Probably...




I finally caught this last night in Brea and loved it. And the ending is perfect. Living and dying really didn't matter either way. His life was always going to be in the ring, so the outcome was meaningless. Other opinions may be that he went out on top just the way he came. I like to look at it as he finally made the decision that was right for him. No good came from his life outside of the ring. Nobody cared for him outside the ring. Robin pretty much stopped existing altogether. That's why he's so obsessed with people calling him Randy. That's who he is...I thought he died by the way.

[JelloPuddingChat]

Also, it's fucked up how Springsteen can't get an Oscar nomination for that damn fine song of his.

[schoolofruckus]

I didn't know what the fuck was going on either, but I enjoyed the ride.

This is basically how I felt about Inland Empire as well. I feel like I "understood" about 40% of what was happening (as opposed to about 80% of Mulholland Dr.), but I was riveted and entranced by the sheer sensory experience of it.

[garrett222]

Here are the movies i haven't seen and can see this weekend...Which MUST i see this weekend and not wait for DVD?

The Wrestler
Frost/Nixon
Rachel Getting Married
Benjamin Button
Revolutionary Road
The Reader


I'm leaning toward The Wrestler and Rev Road.

[amyzzz]

Ugh, I need to see ALL of those except Revolutionary Road (which was very good, but the book was so amazing that the movie was a bit of a letdown for me personally).

[schoolofruckus]

Here are the movies i haven't seen and can see this weekend...Which MUST i see this weekend and not wait for DVD?

The Wrestler
Frost/Nixon
Rachel Getting Married
Benjamin Button
Revolutionary Road
The Reader


I'm leaning toward The Wrestler and Rev Road.

Rachel Getting Married is the best movie of the bunch. Granted, I've only seen Wrestler (good) and Benjamin Button (ugh) otherwise, but I feel pretty confident saying that. The reason to see it in the theater is more about patronizing the good movies, rather than it being a technical spectacle that would lose power on a home theater. But that would be enough reason in my book.

[bmack86]

Man, I guess I need to see that one then. Because I really liked the Wrestler.

[Somewhat Damaged]

Rachel Getting Married is the best movie of the bunch. Granted, I've only seen Wrestler (good) and Benjamin Button (ugh) otherwise, but I feel pretty confident saying that. The reason to see it in the theater is more about patronizing the good movies, rather than it being a technical spectacle that would lose power on a home theater. But that would be enough reason in my book.

Agreed.

[amyzzz]

Ah hell. The Reader and Rachel Getting Married played at my close theatre for a week, and now they're gone today. Fuck fuck. I have to go to Camelview I guess.

[wmgaretjax]

Doubt was mediocre. It's not that the source material was uninteresting or poorly developed... It wasn't the performances, which felt like they were a little lost at sea but were certainly well done (with the exception of Amy Adams who just felt lost at sea). It was a really awful director that was completely incapable of demonstrating any restraint or finesse with the loaded thematic content. The music, the sound design, and the cinematography were all ridiculously heavy handed. Why bother illustrating at every turn that suspect and doubt are powerful emotions? Don't the circumstances speak for themselves? There were a few scenes that were fantastic until the director reared his ugly head (the boy's mother with the nun being the one that sticks out the most). The real bummer about this was that the performances had the potential of being incredible, but the moments in which the actors egos had to take over, to compensate from clearly inept direction, unfortunately lead to some caricature that ruined some really powerful moments. What a waste of talent.

[schoolofruckus]

Good. One more film I don't have to force myself to see.

[Mr. Dylanja]

I saw Slumdog last night, I loved it.

[Down Rodeo]

I disagree about Doubt - I thought it was excellent.

[garrett222]

I"m watching Manhattan right now...Meryl Streep is hotter in this movie than any girl i may ever have seen before. HOly shit i can't believe it.

[schoolofruckus]

Here's a nice short film that's been apparently blowing up on the internet. Very Wong Kar-Wai in terms of the story, but without any blueberry pie nonsense.

<object width="400" height="225"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=2884813&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;sho w_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;ful lscreen=1" /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=2884813&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;sho w_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;ful lscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="225"></embed></object><br /><a href="http://vimeo.com/">A Thousand Words</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/tedchung">Ted Chung</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.