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C DUB YA
03-09-2007, 03:52 PM
Gabe, what didn't you like about Sin City?
I don't want them to taint Watchmen in any way, so I hope they don't do a movie of it, although they've talked about it for quite some time.

Its in production as we speak, 300 director Zack is in charge.

C DUB YA
03-09-2007, 03:53 PM
I'm sorry SIN CITY was very good. I liked the stor-ies and thought the style of it was amazing.

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 03:57 PM
Definitely "Buffalo '66". For most people, it's considered the only one that's even watchable. Personally, I put it #2 on my favorite films ever list earlier on this thread. It's got some raw edges that some will call amateurish, but I think it's both brilliant and entertaining. I've watched it enough times that I could teach a class on it.

However, "The Brown Bunny" is maybe the most underrated movie I've ever seen. Sooooo many people who claim to embrace the artistic merits of meditative, truly independent cinema have savaged this film to bits. It's a film onto which people project their own feelings towards Vincent Gallo - he's a self-indulgent scam artist, a narcissistic prick, a dirty Repulican, et. al. - while ignoring its power. Yes, it's extremely slow, and it's probably got less "plot" than just about any other movie of recent times. Yes, again, most of the acting is very unpolished, to the point that it doesn't even sound like a normal movie. Yes, Gallo gets blown in real time, and it can't possibly have been faked. My question is - so the fuck what?

In my eyes, this is the defining film on introverted grief, and it is stunning to behold. It's a beautiful film from a visual standpoint, and Gallo's own performance is harrowing in spite of its stoicism. Any trace of exploitation that you may feel from the highly-criticized fellatio scene disappears with the scene directly after it, which drives home the entire theme and purpose for the film's existence. IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR VINCENT GALLO, A DUDE WHO COULD BE ROLLING IN ASS IF HE SO DESIRED, TO GET HEAD ONSCREEN. Unlike "Buffalo '66", this film is not entertaining at all, and thus, not as rewatchable. But it is the work of true genius. And my biggest hope for the future of cinema is that all the unsubstantiated bashing of this film didn't destroy Vincent Gallo's every desire to make more films. He absolutely must work behind the camera again in the future.

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 04:01 PM
Also, you owe me a karate chop. I loved johnny Depp in "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" and I really enjoyed that film. I found it to be a great homage to the Spaghetti Western. Nothing amazing, but a fun action flick. I think I loved Depp in it so much, because at the time he was getting so much praise for "Pirates" and I enjoyed this film much more than that.

I know better than to try to karate chop a dude who knows kung fu.

I definitely concur that both his "Once Upon a Time" performance and the movie itself were far superior to their peers in the "Pirates" movie.

C DUB YA
03-09-2007, 04:12 PM
as far THE WATCHMEN getting made - Zack (300 Director) snuck a little sneak into the 300 international (and very R-rated) trailer for 300, see for yourself.

exciting.

http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/31814

PotVsKtl
03-09-2007, 04:17 PM
The last time I was told a picture of a dude with a potato sack on his head was exciting I left the party.

C DUB YA
03-09-2007, 04:19 PM
good - now if could kindly jam your mouse up your ass we'd all have a good time.

being a fan of the watchmen this is exciting.

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 04:26 PM
I've never read The Watchmen, but it sounds like a good story. Here's hoping Zack Snyder's storytelling instincts improve mightily before it makes it to the screen.

C DUB YA
03-09-2007, 04:30 PM
yeah if he screws it up - he'll have an army of pissed off geeks on his doorstep.

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 04:39 PM
People seem to take "The Watchmen" veeeery seriously.....as much as just about any comic series this side of Superman. If Snyder turns it into just another eye-popping spectacle with no real heartbeat, is that going to suffice?

C DUB YA
03-09-2007, 04:41 PM
yeah - even more serious than Arcade Fire fans take that band.

He has already said - it will not be anything like 300 in terms of look or cg, i.e. no blue screen - he's setting it in 1984-1985

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 04:44 PM
It could still be both visually stunning and spiritually bankrupt in a mid-80's setting. That'd be my main concern, if I were invested in the material.

mountmccabe
03-09-2007, 04:48 PM
Instead, we purchased our tickets to go meet Luc Besson tonight and check out his newest film "ANGEL-A". I'm much more excited to see this one.
I love Besson so much. Other than Nikita I can't argue that he does great films but I really enjoy them regardless. Seeing that one and then The Fifth Element made me search out all his full lengths a decade ago. And I squealed like a little girl when I found The Final Combat on VHS.

I must say again that I am basing this on essentially half of the movie. For all I know, the movie ends with Leonidas floating through space in a bubble and becoming one with Xibalba, and I would walk out with tears in my eyes.
Hahahaaha.

hey gabe. i thought your review of 300 was very good. you should think about writing a column somewhere if you don't already. it's not that hard. also, agree that the cinematography in road to perdition was it's most redeeming feature.
Road to Perdition looked great and also it starred Tom Hanks and some friends convinced me to go and I expected to hate it because it starred Tom Hanks and he said like 3 words the first hour. I was so happy I pissed myself.

"El Mariachi" and "Desperado" are both good action movies; "From Dusk Till Dawn" is one of the only vampire movies I get into (that's just a personal tic)
I love El Mariachi because it is a light, playful comedy action movie; the other two there were stylish and fun. I don't think I've seen his other movies.

wmgaretjax
03-09-2007, 04:52 PM
holy shit. i totally missed the news of a watchmen movie. that could be really cool.

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 04:58 PM
Road to Perdition looked great and also it starred Tom Hanks and some friends convinced me to go and I expected to hate it because it starred Tom Hanks and he said like 3 words the first hour. I was so happy I pissed myself.

Tom Hanks hater?

mountmccabe
03-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Very much.

mountmccabe
03-09-2007, 05:12 PM
I hate him more than Mel Gibson and Tom Cruise combined.

Mel Gibson!

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 05:14 PM
Go on.

mountmccabe
03-09-2007, 05:47 PM
80s Hanks was kinda harmless. Big had funny, Dragnet needed actors that were oddly stilted caricatures.

But then he started taken serious roles so as to be seen as a real actor. He fails. I didn't see Philadelphia, tho. Or Castaway. And I've avoided him recently fairly well, I must say.

But Forrest Gump was an attempt at real drama and seriousness through a slow kid that does amazing things and damn he was annoying. And he was worse in Apollo 13 which was a good movie but the good movie parts were all around Ed Harris and the folks on the ground. It was an engineering movie, Tom Hanks was the annoying jerk in space they had to save. The annoying jerk who took himself far too seriously.

Tom Hanks was awful in Saving Private Ryan. That was an awful movie. I really liked it but back then I was happy with a stunning battle sequence as an opener and another big battle sequence which wasn't as stunning because we were supposed to care about these people and Spielberg is all overcooked and over serious and fake. Hanks never felt real in this movie at all. That time in the boring middle where they were telling stories of home and maybe listening to a record? Hanks threw that away. His bit was worse than when Zach Braff was sitting in the bathtub with Natalie Portman and he tried to transition to a story and oh man.

In Road to Perdition he played an anti-Tom Hanks character. He was a big lug that kept his mouth shut and actually knew when he said things he actually knew what he was talking about. He wasn't a brilliant man but he was good at what he did and he didn't force us to like him; he didn't play warm. He played strong.

Via that movie I realized that he could put in a good performance with a good director but most directors having Tom play a "Tom Hanks-type character" of which there are two that blend a little; the funny guy in The Burbs and the self-serious sensitive bread and butter good guy lead we see in Saving Private Ryan and Forrest Gump. I hate those guys.

But more I hate that bad directors have actors do caricatures of their old roles. I don't want to say, oh, it's Tom Hanks. That means he's going to be _____.

We know Mel Gibson is going to secretly be some bad ass that doesn't really want to fight but he will when his family gets threatened. We know Bruce Willis is going to be a smart aleck tough guy who when it comes down to it does have a soft spot for the people he picks on. I don't fucking wanna see it.

Good directors, though, can play around with those such roles, tho.

OK, food is here. I'm not sure I described anything so well. Basically I hate the roles Tom Hanks chooses, the character he plays.

wmgaretjax
03-09-2007, 06:05 PM
i agree. the only tom hanks role I like is Toy Story... Oh... and Toy Story 2.

schoolofruckus
03-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Beautiful rant, John. I don't agree 100% - first of all, I love "Forrest Gump". I don't care what anybody says. But that diatribe was exactly what I was hoping you would respond with. And you're right, he's been typecast to the point that it's getting into self-parody.

I'm leaving work now. I may offer a more in-depth response if I remember to. Peace out for now.

Yablonowitz
03-09-2007, 06:22 PM
Season two of Battlestar Galactica has had its highs and lows so far, but overall pretty good stuff.

wmgaretjax
03-09-2007, 09:35 PM
what the fuck is Battlestar Galactica? Google shows me a goofy looking star-trek esque show.

I never really watch TV shows... I mean, I saw arrested dev on DVD and I loved that. Beyond that I've only really seen HBO shows... I'm up to date on The Wire, Almost finished with The Sopranos, and then onto Deadwood.

KungFuJoe
03-10-2007, 12:24 AM
I love Besson so much. Other than Nikita I can't argue that he does great films but I really enjoy them regardless. Seeing that one and then The Fifth Element made me search out all his full lengths a decade ago. And I squealed like a little girl when I found The Final Combat on VHS.


How about "The Big Blue"? That's a great film. As is LEON.

What I love most about Besson as a director is that he has an incredible talent for writing wonderful characters & bringing out the deepest of human emotions from his actors. I think this comes from months of rehearsal. Combining this with action in a most of his films makes for a truly fullfilling and unique movie going experience. I don't believe anyone does Romance & Action better than Besson.

I adored his newest "ANGEL-A". This film is a true breath of fresh air from one of cinema's greatest masters. In this film Besson put the action aside and created a very enjoyable and unique romantic comedy, with the flare that only he can provide. Jamel Debbouze is completely endearing as the hapless hero and Rie Rasmussen sizzles on the screen in her debut as the Angel who comes to save his life. The casting couldn't be more perfect.

This film cements Besson as possibly my favorite director working today. I don't believe we've seen his best work yet, but this film certainly puts him back in the right direction.

amyzzz
03-10-2007, 08:09 AM
I like Buffalo 66 too. It's funny, sad, and sweet all at once. I've never seen Brown Bunny though (I've never enjoyed watching blowjobs).

schoolofruckus
03-10-2007, 08:41 AM
I never really watch TV shows... I mean, I saw arrested dev on DVD and I loved that. Beyond that I've only really seen HBO shows... I'm up to date on The Wire, Almost finished with The Sopranos, and then onto Deadwood.

I just completed the first season of "Six Feet Under" with Jennie last night. Brilliant, brilliant television. I know I'm way behind on this one - seeing as how it started in 2000 and ended in 2005 - but I just want to declare how great it is for anyone else that hasn't caught up on it. I think it's leaps and bounds ahead of "The Sopranos" - which I also love - and pretty much as good as 95% of the movies out there.

amyzzz
03-10-2007, 08:54 AM
I used to be so addicted to Six Feet under, but then before their last season, we moved out of our house to stay at my father-in-law's house for a while, and he didn't have HBO. I still haven't seen that last season.

wmgaretjax
03-10-2007, 09:14 AM
I killed the first two seasons of six feet under. and got tired of it. I may start up again depending on how deadwood is.

At scarecrow (the movie place near me) you can rent entire seasons of a TV show for a week. I do that, burn 'em, and enjoy them at my own leisure.

ivankay
03-10-2007, 09:52 AM
Gabe invited me to expand on a statement i made about something disturbing me whist watching "300". Quick review: i thought the movie was one that rocked big time. Visually original. Very true to the grapic novel (which i like plenty...so i'm a little biased there).

The thing that bothered me: It's a huge propaganda film. "300" is Western society's (US and Europe's) version of "Hero" (Chinese propaganda in a pretty epic). i know all cinema is perspective and can be labeled propaganda of the people who make it, but this one uses a big ass sledge hammer to beat in the views that the War on Terror (or any war we partake in) is between those who cherish freedom versus the scum who blindly want to impose their god upon everyone. i'm down with the freedom side by the way (but am not seeing it winning with any of the dominate positions in the battle to dictate world culture).

So, if a film is heavy in a message that suggest you should step up and join the battle bad? Nope. i loved "300" and will see it again. Just saying, the "we're right and don't you forget it" John Wayne message is there with no room for discussion of the grey. i love John Wayne movies.

mountmccabe
03-10-2007, 01:14 PM
what the fuck is Battlestar Galactica? Google shows me a goofy looking star-trek esque show.

I never really watch TV shows... I mean, I saw arrested dev on DVD and I loved that. Beyond that I've only really seen HBO shows... I'm up to date on The Wire, Almost finished with The Sopranos, and then onto Deadwood.

You're coming up with the right show though it's kind of an anti-Star Trek. It's set in space and all but it's naturalistic sci-fi. It's a character-based drama that just happens to be set in space. And that space doesn't have crazy rubber-suited aliens or any aliens at all, actually. It doesn't have laser pistols or tractor beams or transporter beams. I'm not saying the physics is perfectly real but it's about as close as it gets.

This is a character-based, dark and gritty yet uplifting drama.

I don't mean to make fun of Star Trek when I say this but the Star Treks were silly. They had great parts and did some great things but they were light and silly. BSG is not silly. It's not humorless but it's also isn't a parody of itself.

mountmccabe
03-10-2007, 01:18 PM
How about "The Big Blue"? That's a great film. As is LEON.
If I could account for Gary Oldman I'd grant "great" status to Leon. I love him but he chews so much scenery in that movie....

And, honestly, I need to see The Big Blue again. Soon. I barely remember it at all.

What I love most about Besson as a director is that he has an incredible talent for writing wonderful characters & bringing out the deepest of human emotions from his actors. I think this comes from months of rehearsal. Combining this with action in a most of his films makes for a truly fullfilling and unique movie going experience. I don't believe anyone does Romance & Action better than Besson.

I adored his newest "ANGEL-A". This film is a true breath of fresh air from one of cinema's greatest masters. In this film Besson put the action aside and created a very enjoyable and unique romantic comedy, with the flare that only he can provide. Jamel Debbouze is completely endearing as the hapless hero and Rie Rasmussen sizzles on the screen in her debut as the Angel who comes to save his life. The casting couldn't be more perfect.

This film cements Besson as possibly my favorite director working today. I don't believe we've seen his best work yet, but this film certainly puts him back in the right direction.

I'm really looking forward to this one.

mountmccabe
03-10-2007, 01:21 PM
Season two of Battlestar Galactica has had its highs and lows so far, but overall pretty good stuff.

Wait, have you finished season two? That final episode was so fucking good.

atom heart
03-10-2007, 01:23 PM
Old Battlestar was really silly.


Big Blue was mostly atmosphere, I thought. When I watched it nothing seemed to macth up. Everyone's behavior was kind of inexplicable. Very pretty, but odd.

mountmccabe
03-10-2007, 01:24 PM
Beautiful rant, John. I don't agree 100% - first of all, I love "Forrest Gump". I don't care what anybody says. But that diatribe was exactly what I was hoping you would respond with. And you're right, he's been typecast to the point that it's getting into self-parody.

I'm leaving work now. I may offer a more in-depth response if I remember to. Peace out for now.

Cool. And, I mean, I haven't seen Forrest Gump in years but I liked it at least the first time I saw it. He wasn't a joke at that point; retroactively, though, since he's been playing off those mannerisms and such ever since I am annoyed by him.

Then again that is a long movie and he just kinda stumbles around with a big goofy smile on his face and I can only take so much of that. It was a decent enough movie, though. Long enough and broad enough that it had it's great parts.

mountmccabe
03-10-2007, 01:24 PM
Old Battlestar was really silly.

So say we all.


Also in the old BSG they Cylons were a race of lizard-like humanoids that created robots (also called the Cylons) and those robots killed off their creators and then wandered around and found the twelve colonies.

I find it interesting that they changed that for the new series.

Yablonowitz
03-10-2007, 03:50 PM
You're coming up with the right show though it's kind of an anti-Star Trek. It's set in space and all but it's naturalistic sci-fi. It's a character-based drama that just happens to be set in space. And that space doesn't have crazy rubber-suited aliens or any aliens at all, actually. It doesn't have laser pistols or tractor beams or transporter beams. I'm not saying the physics is perfectly real but it's about as close as it gets.

This is a character-based, dark and gritty yet uplifting drama.

I don't mean to make fun of Star Trek when I say this but the Star Treks were silly. They had great parts and did some great things but they were light and silly. BSG is not silly. It's not humorless but it's also isn't a parody of itself.

I would add to that the current BG is less a sci-fi series than it is a war/combat series. There are strong connections with current affairs and concepts of knowing your enemy and knowing and trusting yourself is constantly being raised. Very ambiguous in many ways. For a non-premium channel cable TV show it is pretty fracking good.

However, Deadwood is as good (in different ways) than The Wire so you should delve into that first.

Yablonowitz
03-10-2007, 03:51 PM
Wait, have you finished season two? That final episode was so fucking good.

No, we just finished the three-part series in the middle when they encounter the Pegasus.

Yablonowitz
03-10-2007, 03:54 PM
So say we all.


Also in the old BSG they Cylons were a race of lizard-like humanoids that created robots (also called the Cylons) and those robots killed off their creators and then wandered around and found the twelve colonies.

I find it interesting that they changed that for the new series.

The new series is called a "re-imagining" of the original, there are far more shades of gray and nuances in this than the one with Lorne Greene in it.

Interestingly enough, the new series includes appearances by the guy who played Apollo in the original cheesy series, but he's a much more shady character. He's actually a pretty good actor, too.

mountmccabe
03-10-2007, 04:27 PM
The new series is called a "re-imagining" of the original, there are far more shades of gray and nuances in this than the one with Lorne Greene in it.

Interestingly enough, the new series includes appearances by the guy who played Apollo in the original cheesy series, but he's a much more shady character. He's actually a pretty good actor, too.

The first ep with him was pretty funny; with Apollo and him squaring off and all.

And I missed your "so far."

amyzzz
03-11-2007, 06:04 AM
I had no idea that people have so much hate for Tom Hanks. I loved Philadelphia, Forrest Gump, and Castaway. Heck, I even sat through The Terminal. I love Tom Hanks, but he hasn't really done any good roles in a while.

bumper31
03-11-2007, 07:44 AM
Tom Hanks plays average characters averagely.....I am largely ambivalent.....

Yablonowitz
03-11-2007, 09:32 AM
He peaked on "Bosom Buddies."

breakjaw
03-11-2007, 02:36 PM
I have to say I love Tom Hanks' performances.If anything he's underrated as an actor,and I believe with his simplicity and honesty,he is this generation's Spencer Tracy.Nobody has yet mentioned his fantastic portrayal in Saving Private Ryan.And I think Harrison Ford is pretty good too.

mountmccabe
03-11-2007, 02:43 PM
Nobody has yet mentioned his fantastic portrayal in Saving Private Ryan.

I mentioned it.

But not in those terms.

blakely
03-11-2007, 02:48 PM
tom hanks is anything but overrated.....

wmgaretjax
03-11-2007, 03:30 PM
I have to say I love Tom Hanks' performances.If anything he's underrated as an actor,and I believe with his simplicity and honesty,he is this generation's Spencer Tracy.Nobody has yet mentioned his fantastic portrayal in Saving Private Ryan.And I think Harrison Ford is pretty good too.

I hate that movie with a passion. Spencer Tracy suffered from many of the same problems that Hanks does. Both have some OK roles, but for the most part. They play themselves poorly. His simplicity and honesty are anything but, rather his performances are sensationalized and sentimental.

mountmccabe
03-11-2007, 04:08 PM
sensationalized and sentimental.

Two more terms I was looking for Friday night.

PotVsKtl
03-11-2007, 05:37 PM
The only thing Spencer Tracy had going for him was Katherine Hepburn.

blakely
03-11-2007, 05:42 PM
The only thing Spencer Tracy had going for him was Katherine Hepburn.

hey thats a lot.......

Mr.Nipples
03-11-2007, 05:50 PM
Yes, the newest episode of South Park is hilarious.

Has anyone seen the movie "Man Bites Dog"?

I URGE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO BUY MAN BITES DOG...

Mr.Nipples
03-11-2007, 05:58 PM
THEYRE REMAKING THE THING!!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0905372/

*sigh*

C DUB YA
03-11-2007, 06:01 PM
i saw 300 and loved it, btw

KungFuJoe
03-11-2007, 09:40 PM
i saw 300 and loved it, btw


Saw it this morning on IMAX. Much better than expected. There was a lot I liked about it and a lot I found completely ridiculous. Overall, an enjoyable experience.

C DUB YA
03-11-2007, 09:43 PM
yeah i saw the IMAX one too, so over-the-top but yet, somehow controlled? It was much better than i expected too.

We weren't the only ones who went out and saw it - it did over $70 million (A new record weekend for the month of March)

John Peel is My Co-pilot
03-11-2007, 11:51 PM
With all the concepts floating around for movies based on comics/old tv/remakes of movies-that-are-not-that-fucking-old, here's a suggestion fo Hollywood.


Find more original scripts and make movies of them, instead of the by-the-numbers rehashing and commercial tie-ins that seem to come out every damn week.

I'm so sick of the whole unimaginative "hey, let's make the cult graphic novel du jour into a movie" attitude.

"No we can't, we've spent our entire budget developing Perfect Strangers - The Movie, as a vehicle for Ben Stiller and Wilmer Valderrama, probably..."

SojuGorae
03-12-2007, 01:29 AM
300 was amazing. Gerard Butler was a fucking stud. He kicked so much ass. I want to know how much training he did to get to where he was. Motherfucker was yoked.

J~$$$
03-12-2007, 08:58 AM
Yoked.

wmgaretjax
03-12-2007, 09:08 AM
In an effort to pull discussion away from 300, how many of you have seen Bertolucci's "Il Conformista?"

I saw this film two years ago at a Bertolucci retrospective in Seattle, at that time is was incredibly hard to see and I'd waited several years to see it. Now, it's out on DVD. Have any of you had the chance to see it yet? It's one of my favorite films and I'd love to here what other people thought of it.

jackstraw94086
03-12-2007, 09:47 AM
no. more discussion about The Thing, please.

ghettojournalist
03-12-2007, 10:20 AM
loved "300".
testosterone reached a new level.
i have a bunch of new quotes to lay on people.

edit: and no one should touch "the thing" ever again, not even carpenter.

Mr.Nipples
03-12-2007, 11:05 AM
james gunn(dawn of the dead, slither) is writing the script. zach snyder was in talks to direct but after 300 and the watchmen, i doubt it will happen. if they want to insure that this film will suck, they will use CGI gore...

PotVsKtl
03-12-2007, 11:23 AM
Where in the hell did you hear that? Where do you keep coming up with all this bullshit? The new Battlestar Galactica guy was the last person attached to the The Thing re/pre/seq/make.

caco0283
03-12-2007, 11:49 AM
yeah im wondering the same thing....sources are full of shit i must say

mob roulette
03-12-2007, 11:53 AM
I have to say I love Tom Hanks' performances.If anything he's underrated as an actor,and I believe with his simplicity and honesty,he is this generation's Spencer Tracy.

The only thing Spencer Tracy had going for him was Katherine Hepburn.

pot's right. jimmy stewart is a far better comparison.

Mr.Nipples
03-12-2007, 12:07 PM
Where in the hell did you hear that? Where do you keep coming up with all this bullshit? The new Battlestar Galactica guy was the last person attached to the The Thing re/pre/seq/make.

actually thats the director thats attached right now...

amyzzz
03-12-2007, 12:11 PM
pot's right. jimmy stewart is a far better comparison.
I like Jimmy Stewart and Tom Hanks, so I guess that would be a fair comparison.

wmgaretjax
03-12-2007, 12:18 PM
Jimmy Stewart is the same.... You guys are just picking the same actor for different eras.

However, I do like his performance in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance."

downingthief
03-12-2007, 01:25 PM
With all the concepts floating around for movies based on comics/old tv/remakes of movies-that-are-not-that-fucking-old, here's a suggestion fo Hollywood.


Find more original scripts and make movies of them, instead of the by-the-numbers rehashing and commercial tie-ins that seem to come out every damn week.

I'm so sick of the whole unimaginative "hey, let's make the cult graphic novel du jour into a movie" attitude.

"No we can't, we've spent our entire budget developing Perfect Strangers - The Movie, as a vehicle for Ben Stiller and Wilmer Valderrama, probably..."


To me, a good story is a good story. Regardless of the source. It could be from a series of crumpled papers found in the rubbish, for all I care. Same goes for bad stories, too.
Problem is, there just seems to be more bad than good lately...

downingthief
03-12-2007, 01:26 PM
Jimmy Stewart is the same.... You guys are just picking the same actor for different eras.

However, I do like his performance in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance."

Agreed. Although, I do have a soft spot for "Harvey".

blakely
03-12-2007, 01:29 PM
Agreed. Although, I do have a soft spot for "Harvey".

I'd have to say that "The Philadelphia Story" was my favorite jimmy movie....

wmgaretjax
03-12-2007, 04:27 PM
To me, a good story is a good story. Regardless of the source. It could be from a series of crumpled papers found in the rubbish, for all I care. Same goes for bad stories, too.
Problem is, there just seems to be more bad than good lately...

you don't ever think that in creating a story for a particular medium, then extracting that, you can lose something in the process?

breakjaw
03-12-2007, 04:50 PM
I like Jimmy Stewart(especially in Vertigo but also in Flight of the Phoenix,Rear Window,and Mr. Smith Goes To Washington).I really like Spencer Tracy though,if anything for his wide open,expressive face.He never lied in his performances and my favorite role of his is probably in It's Mad,Mad,Mad,Mad World,although he is pretty goddamn good in Judgement at Nuremberg,Guess Who's Coming To Dinner,Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo and A Guy Named Joe.
Katherine Hepburn was too much of an actress,in the Jon Lovitz sense.I hate her in the way I hate Gwyneth Paltrow.

PotVsKtl
03-12-2007, 04:55 PM
Ignored.

TomAz
03-12-2007, 04:57 PM
I have to say I love Tom Hanks' performances.If anything he's underrated as an actor,and I believe with his simplicity and honesty,he is this generation's Spencer Tracy.Nobody has yet mentioned his fantastic portrayal in Saving Private Ryan.And I think Harrison Ford is pretty good too.

I like Tom Hanks a lot, myself. He's too earnest and unironic for some folks.

breakjaw
03-12-2007, 05:35 PM
I can appreciate irony as well,it's just a helluva alot easier to do and what Hanks and Ford and Stewart do is without artifice,so harder to quantify.
In terms everyone can understand:
Hanks>Gallo

wmgaretjax
03-12-2007, 11:17 PM
I like Jimmy Stewart(especially in Vertigo but also in Flight of the Phoenix,Rear Window,and Mr. Smith Goes To Washington).I really like Spencer Tracy though,if anything for his wide open,expressive face.He never lied in his performances and my favorite role of his is probably in It's Mad,Mad,Mad,Mad World,although he is pretty goddamn good in Judgement at Nuremberg,Guess Who's Coming To Dinner,Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo and A Guy Named Joe.
Katherine Hepburn was too much of an actress,in the Jon Lovitz sense.I hate her in the way I hate Gwyneth Paltrow.

I can agree with you on a couple of these. Vertigo is a good performance, and Rear Window is a solid one (although, ultimately the quality of the film carries his performance).

It's a Mad, Mad World is a fabulous film, and a heart-warming performance. I also agree about Guess Who's Coming to Dinner.

On the whole though, they are solid actors, just largely over rated.

schoolofruckus
03-13-2007, 04:17 PM
In terms everyone can understand:
Hanks>Gallo

Blasphemy. And I'm not even among the Hanks haters, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

jackstraw94086
03-13-2007, 04:25 PM
how does someone watch Bachelor Party and not put Hanks in the pantheon of great actors in the history of humans?

breakjaw
03-13-2007, 06:54 PM
Blasphemy. And I'm not even among the Hanks haters, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

OK I regret using Gallo as an example now,because I actually think he's a very accomplished actor,just not as talented as Hanks.I enjoyed Buffalo 66 for both it's grittiness and the amazing performances by both Gallo and Ricci,but I still feel Gallo has a ways to go to amass a body of work as fine as Tom Hanks'.(Incidentally,did you know Gallo is in Goodfellas?He's part of Henry's 70's crew.)

atom heart
03-13-2007, 08:22 PM
for amyzzz or anyone else who has read it:
the golden compass (http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/)


I skipped seeing Pan's Labyrinth, but yesterday I saw Cronos, an early Guillermo del Toro (sp?) film.

*minor spoiler alert*
Cronos is a vampire movie, but not like any vampire movie I have ever seen. It is not sexual in the least, it is not slick and edgy. Instead, it is warm and oddly religious. The premise is an imaginative one: an old man who owns an antique shop comes across a curious piece of clockwork in a gold case about the size of a heart. It seems to be a toy, but when he winds it up he starts a chain of events that destroy his life. His constant companion is his quiet granddaughter, who clears out her toy chest for hapless grandpa.
It has gore in moderation, a bit of action, and plenty of dark humor.

codytwo
03-13-2007, 08:40 PM
Cronos is one of the few Mexican movies to achieve broader success in the United States. It has a lot of the awkward dialogue and extreme profanity that most Mexican movies do, but manages to pull off the story pretty well. I watched it on the recommendation of my Spanish teacher when I was a senior in high school. Its good stuff.

Mr.Nipples
03-13-2007, 10:43 PM
there remaking escape from new york...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31864

mountmccabe
03-13-2007, 10:49 PM
you don't ever think that in creating a story for a particular medium, then extracting that, you can lose something in the process?
That's why you have to adapt it. That's why you have to fit it to the new medium.

I mean, sure, you'll lose something but most creative agents aren't fluid enough to really explore their story ideas so as to identify the most effective medium... so "lose" should be read as a value-neutral term.

I mean the original still exists; it's not destroyed by an adaptation. And that adaptation might very well express the root story better... or at least express different elements in different weights and ways.

I've thought about this a lot, really but I need to sleep sooner rather than later and it's not like I can give a chart of which stories work best as a 70s prog-rock style concept album and which work best as a Renaissance-style triptych. Or what have you.

I like Tom Hanks a lot, myself. He's too earnest and unironic for some folks.
More good words for which I searched in vain.

mountmccabe
03-13-2007, 10:51 PM
there remaking escape from new york...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31864

I thought they already did that with Kurt Russell in the lead and called it Escape from LA.

Mr.Nipples
03-13-2007, 10:54 PM
i know...its fucking stupid.

Yablonowitz
03-13-2007, 11:01 PM
Jimmy Stewart is the same.... You guys are just picking the same actor for different eras.

However, I do like his performance in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance."

Jimmy Stewart in Vertigo is one of my favorite performances ever, mainly because he roamed outside of his usual hero role. The final scene of that movie when he's dragging her up the staircase...fucking chills dude. Feel 'em. Hair is sticking up.

Mr.Nipples
03-13-2007, 11:05 PM
Jimmy Stewart in Vertigo is one of my favorite performances ever, mainly because he roamed outside of his usual hero role. The final scene of that movie when he's dragging her up the staircase...fucking chills dude. Feel 'em. Hair is sticking up.

only role ive watched were he isnt "jimmy"...know what i mean?

jackstraw94086
03-13-2007, 11:24 PM
I thought they already did that with Kurt Russell in the lead and called it Escape from LA.

My big question is who's gonna play the new Duke of New York.


but yeah, the idea sounds retarded. First The Thing, now Escape From New York? Somebody's out there in hollywood's got a hard on for John Carpenter/Kurt Russel flicks.

Mr.Nipples
03-13-2007, 11:36 PM
this guy...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/RetardoTronFiveThousand/300g.jpg

im serious.

SojuGorae
03-13-2007, 11:52 PM
If they remake Big Trouble in Little China, I'm gonna be pissed.

You just can't recreate shit like this. Can't touch that.
PMj3e4_XoOA

bmack86
03-14-2007, 01:06 AM
I just watched the Grand Illusion. There's a reason why it's the first Criterion film. I've not seen a movie that deals so well with a historical period while at the same time telling a compelling and ultimately enthralling story. Renoir perfectly encapsulates the tension that went with World War One; namely, the end of the old European dynasties and the changes that came with it. He wraps this commentary in one of the truly great prison escape films. I found myself really caring for Marechal, and, a rarity for me with foreign films, both laughing and sitting in suspense solely based on dialogue. Too often, the literal meanings of the script are lost in translation and I find myself enjoying the story but wanting more. In this case, I was completely drawn into the movie, and toward the end I found myself checking the time, hoping that it would go on longer. Also, the Criterion transfer is absolutely amazing; the film looks like it was made at the very end of the black and white era, and the picture is absolutely pristine. The actors are uniformly fabulous, and the story is one that can resonate with most anyone.

If you haven't seen it, you should definitely go rent it, netflix it, whatever. Prior to seeing it, i wondered how Criterion could charge 39.99 for a single disc film that hadn't been reissued as a double. Now, I understand. This movie is worth whatever you pay. Gabe, I'll be changing my top 25. I've got a new number 1.

wmgaretjax
03-14-2007, 09:09 AM
I just watched the Grand Illusion. There's a reason why it's the first Criterion film. I've not seen a movie that deals so well with a historical period while at the same time telling a compelling and ultimately enthralling story. Renoir perfectly encapsulates the tension that went with World War One; namely, the end of the old European dynasties and the changes that came with it. He wraps this commentary in one of the truly great prison escape films. I found myself really caring for Marechal, and, a rarity for me with foreign films, both laughing and sitting in suspense solely based on dialogue. Too often, the literal meanings of the script are lost in translation and I find myself enjoying the story but wanting more. In this case, I was completely drawn into the movie, and toward the end I found myself checking the time, hoping that it would go on longer. Also, the Criterion transfer is absolutely amazing; the film looks like it was made at the very end of the black and white era, and the picture is absolutely pristine. The actors are uniformly fabulous, and the story is one that can resonate with most anyone.

If you haven't seen it, you should definitely go rent it, netflix it, whatever. Prior to seeing it, i wondered how Criterion could charge 39.99 for a single disc film that hadn't been reissued as a double. Now, I understand. This movie is worth whatever you pay. Gabe, I'll be changing my top 25. I've got a new number 1.

I'm a big Criterion fan. I can understand why they are so expensive, NO ONE puts together better prints than them. It's amazing. The only better Renoir "war" film in my mind is Rules of the Game (another Criterion). You should definitely check it out. Also, you can get them a little cheaper online at criteriondvd.com, Grand Illusion is 28$ there.

If you want to see just how amazing Criterion are, check out their new print of The Double Life of Veronique (by Kieslowski) and check out pictures from previous transfers online. It's unreal.

TomAz
03-14-2007, 09:12 AM
when is the Criterion version of Caddyshack coming out?

amyzzz
03-14-2007, 09:15 AM
for amyzzz or anyone else who has read it:
the golden compass (http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/)

Thanks. I'll probably taking my kids to that next holiday season. That's a really good book series--I hope the movie turns out good.

downingthief
03-14-2007, 09:39 AM
when is the Criterion version of Caddyshack coming out?

Not THAT would be something to see!

KungFuJoe
03-14-2007, 09:56 AM
The only Jean Renoir film I've ever seen is "the Rules of the Game" and that's in my top five. I'd say it's about time I check out some of his others, no?

jackstraw94086
03-14-2007, 10:08 AM
this guy...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/RetardoTronFiveThousand/300g.jpg

im serious.

no. that's supposed to be snake i thought. I was asking about the Duke of New York in the film. who's gonna fill Isaac Hayes' shoes?

downingthief
03-14-2007, 10:09 AM
[QUOTE=mountmccabe;100170]That's why you have to adapt it. That's why you have to fit it to the new medium.

I mean, sure, you'll lose something but most creative agents aren't fluid enough to really explore their story ideas so as to identify the most effective medium... so "lose" should be read as a value-neutral term.

I mean the original still exists; it's not destroyed by an adaptation. And that adaptation might very well express the root story better... or at least express different elements in different weights and ways.

I've thought about this a lot, really but I need to sleep sooner rather than later and it's not like I can give a chart of which stories work best as a 70s prog-rock style concept album and which work best as a Renaissance-style triptych. Or what have you.

Solid, John. My thoughts exactly.

PotVsKtl
03-14-2007, 10:35 AM
http://www.criterionco.com/content/images/featured_dvd/308_feature_350x180.jpg

bmack86
03-14-2007, 11:06 AM
Masculin/Feminin?
Great film

chairmenmeow47
03-15-2007, 10:14 AM
shooter (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0822854/)

so my friend jen told me to text some number last week to win tickets to the special screening last night, and lo and behold, i won! i had no idea what it was about or anything, so i went in with no expectations and enjoyed myself. plus, as my boss says "free=good", lol. first, it's funny how the crowd is kinda seperated into the "hip" type people who are in the know about this type of stuff, and then the super cheapos with their generic candy in ziploc bags that go running across the theatre when they offer free tickets to some other movie the next day :lol:

anyways, i enjoyed the film. marky-mark's face isn't all that hot to me, but dear god those tight grey shirts make up for it. and his amazing, perfect abs, *drool*. it was a pretty fast paced movie, lots of action and all that. and i totally thought this guy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0671567/) was ramon! (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0889846/) from romy and michele :lol: so everytime i saw him, i just thought, RAMON! but i guess it's not him so i feel like a tard now, lol.

it was weird to see danny glover as the bad guy, but he did a pretty good job. i like that rade serbedzija guy from the saint too, he was good. so if you're looking for something entertaining and not to serious with lots of action, i'd check this out.


and jimmy stewarts voice makes me laugh anytime i hear it.

TomAz
03-15-2007, 10:18 AM
did you say marky mark?

ahahahahahahahahahahahha

SojuGorae
03-15-2007, 10:32 AM
no. that's supposed to be snake i thought. I was asking about the Duke of New York in the film. who's gonna fill Isaac Hayes' shoes?

That big guy who cures white women from The Green Mile.

chairmenmeow47
03-15-2007, 10:43 AM
did you say marky mark?

ahahahahahahahahahahahha


lol, yes, he will ALWAYS be marky-mark to me! my movie buddy jen is obsessed with him, so i end up seeing like every marky-mark movie that comes out, lol.

TomAz
03-15-2007, 10:44 AM
I didn't even know marky mark made movies.

SojuGorae
03-15-2007, 10:48 AM
lol, yes, he will ALWAYS be marky-mark to me! my movie buddy jen is obsessed with him, so i end up seeing like every marky-mark movie that comes out, lol.

This one goes out to the homegirl, meow... holdin' it down and keepsing it reals...

UnzgNAzquCw

kimery08
03-15-2007, 10:50 AM
ive always wanted to be part of the funky bunch.

amyzzz
03-15-2007, 11:00 AM
I didn't even know marky mark made movies.
You haven't seen The Departed?

menikmati
03-15-2007, 11:12 AM
I just saw the Departed last week...and well...honestly, I don't get all the hype. I mean the acting is great, sure...and it's NOT a bad movie, but....what's the whole point of it? I really got nothing out of it that I haven't seen in other better films. I mean sure it's cool how it has the complex story line and all, but in the end it's kinda like...okay he was a rat, there's corruption, can we move on?

And I just took my film history II midterm, God that sucked.

amyzzz
03-15-2007, 11:14 AM
oh my god.

ERIK SAW A MOVIE!!!!

TomAz
03-15-2007, 11:15 AM
You haven't seen The Departed?

I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that post.

menikmati
03-15-2007, 11:16 AM
ya, I feel weird

menikmati
03-15-2007, 11:18 AM
I started watching Grapes of Wrath again last night...haven't seen it in years....got through about 20 mins before I had to goto sleep. I like Henry Fonda.

And yeah amy, I still plan on picking up the book of it as well, it will be during my next amazon purchase, which should also include the books of alice in wonderland/through the looking glass, the new nirvana biography, and maybe aladdin on dvd too.

breakjaw
03-15-2007, 11:21 AM
I just saw the Departed last week...and well...honestly, I don't get all the hype. I mean the acting is great, sure...and it's NOT a bad movie, but....what's the whole point of it? I really got nothing out of it that I haven't seen in other better films. I mean sure it's cool how it has the complex story line and all, but in the end it's kinda like...okay he was a rat, there's corruption, can we move on?

And I just took my film history II midterm, God that sucked.

I agree with Erik about this
SPOILER











I thought as soon as Nicholson died all the air went out of the movie.That said the direction and especially the editing of this was fantastic and deserved the accolades,it was just the all the plot twists at the end that were superfluous.
Nicholson was great,though.(That scene where he was grilling DiCaprio making the rat-faces was classic Jack.)

Kasabian
03-15-2007, 11:33 AM
I liked The Departed alright...but certainly wasn't Scorsese's best movie. Not his worst either...Age of Innocence anybody? blegh...

breakjaw
03-15-2007, 12:06 PM
I think "Gangs Of New York" is his worst followed closely by "The Color Of Money".(Although I may have enjoyed "Bringing Out The Dead" solely for Nic Cage and the killer soundtrack.)

SojuGorae
03-15-2007, 01:36 PM
Color of Money, Age of Innocence, King of Comedy, Gangs of New York were pretty bad.

After Hours was probably his most underrated.

breakjaw
03-15-2007, 01:42 PM
Nooooo,NOT King Of Comedy!Rupert Pupkin!Hellen Keller Plaid!That movie is hilarious and one of DeNiro's finest self-deprecating comedy performances.

mountmccabe
03-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Wait a minute. I normally am with the severed dicks but I'm lost. Tom, did you seriously not know that Marky Mark now goes by Mark Wahlberg and is a semi-big movie star?

"Good Vibrations" is deeply ingrained enough that yeah, I still call him Marky Mark.

It was really weird seeing him in Three Kings but then when I saw Boogie Nights (yes, not in order of release) it made more sense and I kinda accepted him.

Also my new roommate has many movies I wanna see so I should be posting here some time.

bmack86
03-15-2007, 07:52 PM
I just watched Amacord. Great movie. I'm not gonna do a long review, because it'd be hard to write; the movie is mostly a series of vignettes with charicatures rather than characters, but it comes across as a great, surreal piece of filmmaking.

Gabe, changing my list again.

jackstraw94086
03-15-2007, 07:53 PM
Marky Mark was solid in Rock Star.

chairmenmeow47
03-16-2007, 10:17 AM
i like marky-mark! he cracked me up in i <3 huckabees!

rockstar is one of those movies that's hilarious to watch with people when you're drunk, lol. i just find it hilarious that anyone would take that genre of rock so seriously :x

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 10:29 AM
i like marky-mark! he cracked me up in i <3 huckabees!

rockstar is one of those movies that's hilarious to watch with people when you're drunk, lol. i just find it hilarious that anyone would take that genre of rock so seriously :x

You missed out on the better part of the 80's, back before glam was called glam. G&R's Appetite For Destruction was the point at which it started becoming redic. Back in the mid-80's the MTV top 5 used to look something like Ratt, Bullet Boys, Europe, Poison, Warrant.

codytwo
03-16-2007, 10:29 AM
Marky Mark was solid in Rock Star.

Either this is sarcasm or you truly are a douche beyond words.

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 10:37 AM
Either this is sarcasm or you truly are a douche beyond words.


put your impish, feeble little attempt pretense back in your pants when in my presence before I spank you in front of everyone.

it's an amusing movie which was ably acted for what it was.

Go ooze your wise-ass elsewhere.

codytwo
03-16-2007, 10:49 AM
Oh, so it was the latter?

You know how there are those movies who are so terrible that its fun to watch, like a horrible car crash? Like, you can't look away? Rock Star isn't even that ambitious. It just wallows in its mediocrity for two hours and leaves you feeling empty, used, and decidedly unsatisfied. Come to think of it jack, its right up your alley.

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 11:34 AM
You don't really have a problem with Rock Star. if you did you'd have made a specific remark about it, but instead you just tryied to be cute and spin it into an attempt to belittle me. Keep letting that sauce simmer, it's not done yet.

that empty and unsatisfied feeling you got wasn't correlated to the movie. You'd better get used to it. Someday, when you get your first taste of reality, you'll find that your little art house bullshit pretense is going to gain you nothing but scorn from non-academia. Mediocrity is hiding in the parking lot under a van parked next to your car. you gonna get raped.

The good news for your kind is that there is actually such a thing as a pure visceral experience. It's just a movie. I'll bet if it were on TV and there was nothing else on you'd watch it till at least the next commercial break. You know you would, you bombastic tyke

blakely
03-16-2007, 11:36 AM
Mediocrity is hiding in the parking lot under a van parked next to your car. you gonna get raped.


hahahahahahaha.... amazing..... one of the guests at our hotel was fortunate enough to see me suddenly burst into laughter for no apparent reason......

codytwo
03-16-2007, 01:58 PM
Ahh, Jack. You never cease to amaze me with your ability to spin specific opinions about a movie or a musical artist into a fantasy involving violent, unwilling sodomy.

downingthief
03-16-2007, 02:15 PM
i like marky-mark! he cracked me up in i <3 huckabees!

rockstar is one of those movies that's hilarious to watch with people when you're drunk, lol. i just find it hilarious that anyone would take that genre of rock so seriously :x

STAND UP AND SHHHOOUUUTTTTT!!

SojuGorae
03-16-2007, 03:04 PM
I really liked Rock Star. Wahlberg was great in it. Thought his transition from naive to jaded was believable. It could have gone over-the-top, but him and the director kept it subtle.

And I loved that song at the end he lip-synchs to. As corny as it was, I liked it.

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 03:20 PM
Ahh, Jack. You never cease to amaze me with your ability to spin specific opinions about a movie or a musical artist into a fantasy involving violent, unwilling sodomy.


violent, perhaps. I'd stop short of unwilling.

PotVsKtl
03-16-2007, 03:52 PM
http://www.bfi.org.uk/features/cinemaitalia/images/bfi-00m-r30.jpg

SojuGorae
03-16-2007, 04:06 PM
Good movie. But what a depressing ass ending.

codytwo
03-16-2007, 05:57 PM
violent, perhaps. I'd stop short of unwilling.

I'm sure you would.

schoolofruckus
03-16-2007, 07:45 PM
I'm glad to see you all have been keeping the corner alive in my absence!

Last night, I watched a movie for the first time in over a week. This time - in continuation with my Antonioni trip - I watched "The Passenger". If you're wondering why I'm knocking out his English-language stuff first, it's because I've had a more difficult time finding his older European films (my 20/20 Video, which has a decent Criterion selection, somehow doesn't have anything he's done). I have recently rejoined Netflix, and I have "L' Avventura" at home. But I digress.

"The Passenger", much like "Blowup" and "Zabriskie Point", is fucking awesome. In this film, Jack Nicholson plays a British journalist who journeys through Africa trying to assemble footage for a documentary about a revolutionary militia. He happens upon a fellow travelling Brit who has unexpectedly died in the hotel room next door and, in an act born of frustration and dissatisfaction, decides to assume that man's identity. He switches passports and luggage, and uses the dead man's datebook as a roadmap through his new life. He travels across Europe feebly trying to complete his alter ego's unfinished business deals, evading the pursuit of authorities who are trying to contact him about his own death, and meeting up with a young woman who may or may not be the dead man's widow.

Like the other Antonioni works I've seen, this is a gorgeous, meditative film that uses long, speechless passages to deconstruct the story. Like the others, it's also a challenging viewing experience, extremely slowplaced and oblique. I have some difficulty here and there with putting the pieces of the plot together, but the hypnotic mood of these films is instantly absorbing. I've never really considered narrative clarity to be of the utmost importance, as long as it feels like it all adds up. And I would be derelict to not mention the film's legendary final shot, a piece of film so virtuosic that it made me want to drop to my knees. Those who have seen it know exactly what I'm talking about; if you haven't, I will just say that this is a clear precursor to all the camera wizardry in "Children of Men".

That's all for now. I'm very close to buying a new TV - a nice one - so I imagine I will have a lot more frequent movie postings in the near future.

CuervoPH
03-16-2007, 08:10 PM
I have recently rejoined Netflix, and I have "L' Avventura" at home.

I just watched this and returned it to Netflix. I have "La Notte" and "L'Eclisse" to watch over the weekend. I've been on an Italian movie kick lately. Also just watched "Facing Windows", which I really enjoyed.

schoolofruckus
03-16-2007, 08:27 PM
What did you think of "L'Avventura"?

CuervoPH
03-16-2007, 08:40 PM
Basically the way you described "The Passenger" fits with "L'Avventura". It is very slow-paced and there really isn't a plot in the strictest sense. It's more of a character study of people who are wealthy and bored and go through life looking for something they don't ever really find. It's a challenging movie because there isn't a neat, satisfying ending, but the final shot in this movie is also brilliant. (I haven't seen "The Passenger" yet, since I'm just starting on Antonioni, but I'm sure this final scene also provided inspiration to other directors.)

jackstraw94086
03-16-2007, 08:43 PM
I'm sure you would.

stop hitting on me, dude.

wmgaretjax
03-16-2007, 11:34 PM
The passenger is a good one, that new transfer is great. I saw it when it made the rounds in the art house theaters.

I saw Miami Vice, I thought it was garbage. Awful use of HD that was ugly. The acting was frighteningly bad, and I didn't think it was very compelling at all.

I am absolutely horrified that Chris Rock "remade" Claire's Knee. Anyone seen it?

I also saw that a series of Sokurov shorts came out recently, I have yet to check it out, but will try this week.

breakjaw
03-16-2007, 11:40 PM
I watched two movies today,my girlfriend and I went to see "Music & Lyrics" at the first showing while my son and his friends watched "Bridge To Terabithia"."Zodiac" was also playing at the same time but since it's twice as long as the above-mentioned movies,it was not possible.
Then,this evening I watched "Letters From Iwo Jima",a film I won't soon forget.That reminds me,I saw some other movie earlier this afternoon,I just can't remember what it was...

bumper31
03-18-2007, 03:28 PM
I know I am behind the times...but I've just watched Borat, and feel physically sick...after watching the wrestling.

Apart from that it was funny.......Any of youse feel offended by it?

SojuGorae
03-18-2007, 05:42 PM
If I was from Kazahkstan, I'd be offended.

codytwo
03-18-2007, 05:53 PM
stop hitting on me, dude.

You misunderstand. If I was hitting on you, I would detail for you a scenario involving your rape at the hands of an abstract concept personified in the form of a shadowy figure hiding in a parking garage.

mountmccabe
03-18-2007, 06:33 PM
I finally saw Stranger than Fiction. Here is some spoiler talk. After the break.



















UNBLANKED SPOILERS FOR STRANGER THAN FICTION A FICTIOUS PHOTOPLAY RELEASED NOT SO LONG AGO






it would've been better had he died in the end. I mean, the ending was really stupid. They did that right, at least. They let us feel the dissapointment of having to endure a decent piece of work kinda ruined by a crappy ending. They may be acting as an apologist for crappy endings, though; making it explicit: we prefer happy fantasies to realistic tragedies.

It had some great moments. Karen and the phones was good; Harold and Karen meeting was pretty good too.

Some odd stuff, too. Harold couldn't read the book; he had to take it to a critic first. The critic said it was stunning (not that we saw any real justification for this) and then Harold read it.

Also he was so purposefully boring (which was half the joke) but it wasn't played through. It was there for the set-up for the laugh but then countered which diminishes the value.

It felt like there was a lot missing. This wasn't so bad because it felt as if the missing scenes were actually extant, it's just that we didn't get to see them.

Despite what was missing it still had some lulls; the worst being near an hour in when most of the story has been presented and we're waiting to see where it's going to go. It doesn't go anywhere for a couple minutes but there's no suspense.

I'm not sure if the romantic leads were slight purposefully or because the writer(s) of the real movie couldn't do any better.

wmgaretjax
03-18-2007, 09:41 PM
So. I saw a couple of movies worth mentioning.

The Lives of Others was a really good film. It has some serious issues (the ending was awfully cheesey in the context of the rest of the film. The score is awful.), but was a very enjoyable and exciting film. Well worth checking out in theaters.

Climates is a Turkish film that stars the director and his wife. It is very slow and reminiscent of Kieslowski (particularly Dekalog) and is definately worth checking out. Their is a shift from film to HD that is kind of jarring, but kind of works in the context of the film, and there are some pacing issues. Overall, definately worth checking out.

That said, I noticed I omitted Vivre Sa Vie from my top 25 and might be making some ammendments soon.

jackstraw94086
03-18-2007, 10:54 PM
You misunderstand. If I was hitting on you, I would detail for you a scenario involving your rape at the hands of an abstract concept personified in the form of a shadowy figure hiding in a parking garage.

Cheer up, you humorless queef.

I'm telling you this for the last time. I'm not gay and I don't want to kiss you. Stop sending me private messages, I'm not going to respond to them.

codytwo
03-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Why must you taunt me so? First the detailed sex fantasies in this thread, and then the naked pictures, and now you won't even return my calls. You've changed, jack, you've changed.....

jackstraw94086
03-18-2007, 11:44 PM
Those pictures were done professionally. If you claim not to like them then you're exposing yourself as a mere dilettante and liar
Quit exposing yourself.


Like in that movie, with the guy, who did the thing.

codytwo
03-18-2007, 11:49 PM
I think i saw that one. It sucked. You have horrible taste.

Courtney
03-19-2007, 05:04 AM
I finally saw Stranger than Fiction.

I just saw this on the plane yesterday. It was a good I airplane movie, but I agree with most of your criticism.

Emma Thompson was the best thing about the movie. Her portrayal of the teetering-on-the-edge-of-insanity novelist Karen was golden. She took the character a bit beyond the edge of believability, but that's what made it funny. Queen Latifah plays the necessary comedic foil to Thompson's insanity.

Will Ferrell's Harold Crick, however, I thought fell flat. I often find him quite funny, but this movie wasn't his best work. In its insistence on a terribly boring main character, the movie succeeded in boring me. Ferrell seemingly tried to play it straight, but I think it might have worked better if he had taken the character a bit further into farce territory. I find it a bit disturbing, and disappointing, when funnymen like Ferrell decide to play is straight -- in this sense Stranger Than Fiction reminded me a bit of Jack Black's foray into the romantic comedy in The Holiday.

As for the question of the act of "writing a masterpiece," I thought the self-referentiality of the movie was very problematic, and unsuccessful in the end. It reeked a bit too much of screenwriters stroking their own ego -- saying that they could create a masterpiece, but that in the end people only want happy endings. What an obnoxious cop-out. I'd imagine that the writers thought they were being clever in a Charlie Kaufman sort of way, but unfortunately they don't pull it off nearly as well as Kaufman does.

Mountmccabe, I like your comment about how Harold had to take the manuscript to a critic instead of reading it himself first. I hadn't though about that. In fact, I can't really decide if the writers were glorifying the Dustin Hoffman professor character, or perhaps not. I like Hoffman, and I thought that his character along with Thompson made the film enjoyable. I liked the part near the end where he dove into the pool -- a reference to The Graduate, I would assume. The professor character was very likable for me -- his slightly eccentricities such as eating the yogurt or walking through a locker room while deep in conversation about the history of literature felt very true to me. But the role of the critic in general is troublesome. The professor tells Harold that he has to die, because that will make his life a great novel, instead of the otherwise ordinary existence it is otherwise guaranteed to be. Better to burn out (in service of great art) than to fade away. But at the same time, the professor's insistence in trying to categorize Harold Crick's life into one of an already pre-existing range of story lines ("Do you have magical powers? Are you from Russia? Are you a comedy or a tragedy?" etc) seemed to be a more biting commentary on the role of the critic as a stabilizer or perhaps squelcher of new innovative forms of art.

As a side note, the in-flight magazine said to watch for references to Beatles songs. All I could think of was the character Penny and the fact that Harold Crick is a taxman. Are there others that I missed?

caco0283
03-19-2007, 01:40 PM
anyone watch Premonition?? It was one of the last movies I worked on at Offspring....just wondering how it turned out

PotVsKtl
03-19-2007, 01:47 PM
So Criterion is releasing Dusan Makavejev's Sweet Movie in June. Everyone put this on your must buy list, it's a ludicrously fucked up hanging out in diapers at a dinner party pissing all over each other masterpiece.

The commune practices some liberating sessions, where a member, with the assistance of the others, goes through a (re)birth experience, cries, urinates and defecates like a baby, while the others are cleaning and pampering him. Later she is seen acting for an obscene advertisement, where she masturbates covered in liquid chocolate.

J~$$$
03-19-2007, 02:01 PM
Get the fuck out has anyone seen the original? Im tempted to run out and find it tonight......Im speechless. Wow.

downingthief
03-19-2007, 02:08 PM
Saw "HollywoodLand" over the weekend. Not bad, but not great either. One of those movies where the acting was better than the overall movie. I thought the script was a bit weak, as well. Some of the best acting that Ben Affleck has done, in my opinion. Really lost himself in the character.

Thye did a good job on capturing the feel/look of 50's Hollywood. Worth renting for that, most of all.

wmgaretjax
03-19-2007, 02:36 PM
So Criterion is releasing Dusan Makavejev's Sweet Movie in June. Everyone put this on your must buy list, it's a ludicrously fucked up hanging out in diapers at a dinner party pissing all over each other masterpiece.

I was excited to see that too... Also La jetée/Sans soleil, Army of Shadows, and La Haine are coming out...

should be a good couple months.

mob roulette
03-19-2007, 02:38 PM
I was excited to see that too... Also La jetée/Sans soleil, Army of Shadows, and La Haine are coming out...

should be a good couple months.

fucking LOVE la haine.

SojuGorae
03-19-2007, 02:45 PM
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Great film

schoolofruckus
03-19-2007, 02:56 PM
I was excited to see that too... Also La jetée/Sans soleil, Army of Shadows, and La Haine are coming out...

should be a good couple months.

Personally, the movie on Criterion's slate that I'm most excited to see is "If....". Apparently, it's a British film in which a pre-"Clockwork" Malcolm McDowell leads a violent student revolt at his private school. Sounds absolutely amazing.

wmgaretjax
03-19-2007, 03:13 PM
Personally, the movie on Criterion's slate that I'm most excited to see is "If....". Apparently, it's a British film in which a pre-"Clockwork" Malcolm McDowell leads a violent student revolt at his private school. Sounds absolutely amazing.

yeah, I'd never even heard of it before. Should be interesting to check out.

codytwo
03-19-2007, 03:27 PM
I jsut saw La Haine. Its good. Even better than Rock Star.

schoolofruckus
03-19-2007, 03:30 PM
I described a little of David O. Russell's hostile antics on the set of "Three Kings" when I discussed "Rebels on the Backlot" about a month or so ago. Well, today there surfaced two YouTube's of shouting matches he had with Lily Tomlin on the set of "I Heart Huckabees".

Part 1, in which Tomlin unloads on him over her frustrations with his working methods:
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Part 2, in which Russell throws an absolute shit fit when he finally reaches the point where he's had enough of arguing with her:
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downingthief
03-19-2007, 03:39 PM
HA!!!! That was Brilliant, Gabe...Loved it when he came back through the door on the second one.

J~$$$
03-19-2007, 03:42 PM
Dear god... I would snap working with those whinny bitches.

ghettojournalist
03-19-2007, 03:51 PM
that...was...amazing.

codytwo
03-19-2007, 03:59 PM
Are there clips from Three Kings like that?

jackstraw94086
03-19-2007, 04:07 PM
i love marky mark's little smirk in the backseat as she melts down. I wish marky mark had some piano wire back there.

codytwo
03-19-2007, 04:10 PM
What exactly is so infuriating about his work method?

wmgaretjax
03-19-2007, 04:57 PM
What exactly is so infuriating about his work method?

he's spastic. He likes a ridiculous amount of coverage on seemingly banal moments (from an actors point of view). Which is common with neurotic directors. However, he's an asshole about it. Ultimately, his disrespect is not used in an advantageous manner (as say, Lars von Trier or Vincent Gallo).

mountmccabe
03-19-2007, 04:57 PM
Will Ferrell's Harold Crick, however, I thought fell flat. I often find him quite funny, but this movie wasn't his best work. In its insistence on a terribly boring main character, the movie succeeded in boring me.

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I like Hoffman, and I thought that his character along with Thompson made the film enjoyable. I liked the part near the end where he dove into the pool -- a reference to The Graduate, I would assume.

Well said (the whole thing, I mean; I'm just not gonna leave it all up.)

And yeah, exactly on Harold being boring. Though I'm not sure him playing more wild would've saved things. I saw it as a inherent flaw to the set-up.

And on the Hoffman pool my brother in particular (who probably hasn't seen the Graduate) questioned this scene; thinking it out of place. We didn't think of this as a ref to the Graduate but that makes sense and ties in to other clues that the Professor and the author would be getting together.

ghettojournalist
03-19-2007, 04:58 PM
hoffman said outright it was a reference to the graduate.

schoolofruckus
03-20-2007, 10:21 AM
he's spastic. He likes a ridiculous amount of coverage on seemingly banal moments (from an actors point of view). Which is common with neurotic directors. However, he's an asshole about it. Ultimately, his disrespect is not used in an advantageous manner (as say, Lars von Trier or Vincent Gallo).

According to the book, as well as some of Tomlin's complaints in the first clip, he's also a big proponent of improvising his shooting schedule. When you're working on low-budget films, it's easier to get away with, although it's pretty reckless from a budgeting standpoint. But when you're working on a studio-financed film, in which they have a hundred auditors up your ass to make sure the money is being spent wisely, in addition to union crew members who like to take their breaks on schedule and work in an orderly fashion....it can be fucking suicide. Some directors, like Steven Soderbergh, can get away with it because they're well-liked and sometimes financially successful; as garetjax mentioned above, Russell is commonly regarded as a condescending prick, somewhat aloof, and not very popular with the majority of his collaborators. It sucks because what ends up onscreen is almost always outstanding, but it's going to continue to create difficulty when it comes to him getting his films made.

I would contend that Vincent Gallo's eccentricities are not to his advantage, either; after his quarrels with Anjelica Huston and Christina Ricci on "Buffalo '66" - he accused them both of being unprofessional divas - he has been all but blacklisted in Hollywood. His frequent Republican endorsements and his tendency to unabashedly badmouth many beloved movie stars, directors, and some of his past collaborators (like Lance Acord, the credited cinematographer on "Buffalo '66") haven't helped, either. I haven't heard anything about people from "The Brown Bunny" disowning the experience - even Chloe Sevigny was a very vocal supporter of the movie all through promotion - but then again, he was damn near the only person involved in making the film. And of course, the movie itself lives in infamy. At this point, I wouldn't bet on Gallo ever directing another film. It's a most depressing thought.

starbright777
03-20-2007, 10:23 AM
Schoolofruckus do you spend time watching movies like Ben Hur? I would like to know which you like the most

gaypalmsprings
03-20-2007, 10:26 AM
Schoolofruckus do you spend time watching movies like Ben Hur? I would like to know which you like the most

sicko

KungFuJoe
03-20-2007, 10:41 AM
I wonder why Lily Tomlin would choose to work with O'Russell on two films if he's such a pain in the ass to work for. Same with Mark Wahlberg. I mean he must be doing something right because all his films are filled with masterfull performances.

wmgaretjax
03-20-2007, 11:40 AM
According to the book, as well as some of Tomlin's complaints in the first clip, he's also a big proponent of improvising his shooting schedule. When you're working on low-budget films, it's easier to get away with, although it's pretty reckless from a budgeting standpoint. But when you're working on a studio-financed film, in which they have a hundred auditors up your ass to make sure the money is being spent wisely, in addition to union crew members who like to take their breaks on schedule and work in an orderly fashion....it can be fucking suicide. Some directors, like Steven Soderbergh, can get away with it because they're well-liked and sometimes financially successful; as garetjax mentioned above, Russell is commonly regarded as a condescending prick, somewhat aloof, and not very popular with the majority of his collaborators. It sucks because what ends up onscreen is almost always outstanding, but it's going to continue to create difficulty when it comes to him getting his films made.

I would contend that Vincent Gallo's eccentricities are not to his advantage, either; after his quarrels with Anjelica Huston and Christina Ricci on "Buffalo '66" - he accused them both of being unprofessional divas - he has been all but blacklisted in Hollywood. His frequent Republican endorsements and his tendency to unabashedly badmouth many beloved movie stars, directors, and some of his past collaborators (like Lance Acord, the credited cinematographer on "Buffalo '66") haven't helped, either. I haven't heard anything about people from "The Brown Bunny" disowning the experience - even Chloe Sevigny was a very vocal supporter of the movie all through promotion - but then again, he was damn near the only person involved in making the film. And of course, the movie itself lives in infamy. At this point, I wouldn't bet on Gallo ever directing another film. It's a most depressing thought.

I was mainly referring to performances that Gallo pulls out of his actors by being demeaning and emotionally abusive. He twists it and manipulates the performaces using these tactics (even on the lowliest extra). In doing so he elicits some extraordinary performances.

schoolofruckus
03-20-2007, 11:46 AM
I think he's doing a great deal of things right. I also think that many actors, as they do with the likes of Lars von Trier, will knowingly take on the risk of working with a short-fused genius if they think that it will result in a brilliant or prominent performance on their part. And I know that Russell does have some friendships with some of his actors; it was humorously observed on the Hollywood Elsewhere message board yesterday that Russell probably never talked to Wahlberg like that because Marky Mark would kick his fucking ass.

Starbright, I have to admit that I've seen very little of the films from the era of "Ben Hur. I'm not generally a fan of big Hollywood dramas to begin with - although there is the occasional exception, like "Titanic". So when I seek out older movies, I tend to go for things that seem more artistically interesting (whatever that may entail) to me, as opposed to the crowd-pleasing standards. For example, I haven't seen "Ben Hur", but I have seen "The Human Condition", "Kanal", and "The Seventh Seal"; nothing against "Ben Hur", but those other three felt more like stuff that I would be interested in. I haven't even seen "Casablanca", although I've always wanted to.

I absolutely love "Citizen Kane" and "12 Angry Men". I saw "The Maltese Falcon" in high school and I thought it was great. I also love "The Wizard of Oz"....I don't care if that makes me gay. I really want to see "Rebel Without a Cause" and "The Apartment", but will I watch them before I get to the Cassavetes and Antonioni stuff on my list? Probably not. When it comes right down to it, I'm more of a 60's & 70's kind of guy than a 40's & 50's.

schoolofruckus
03-20-2007, 11:51 AM
I was mainly referring to performances that Gallo pulls out of his actors by being demeaning and emotionally abusive. He twists it and manipulates the performaces using these tactics (even on the lowliest extra). In doing so he elicits some extraordinary performances.

I'll definitely give you that. But don't you think Russell gets equally strong performances via the same approach?

Quote:
Originally Posted by schoolofruckus
At this point, I wouldn't bet on Gallo ever directing another film.

Fuck you.

Hey, prove me wrong, buddy. You've got a lot more to offer the film world.

amyzzz
03-20-2007, 11:54 AM
Whoa, are Gabe and John the same person this week?

Courtney
03-20-2007, 12:00 PM
my brother in particular (who probably hasn't seen the Graduate)

Blasphemy! Get that boy the DVD asap. The Graduate is definitely in my top 25. Everything (the cinematography, direction, acting, music) is perfection.

SojuGorae
03-20-2007, 01:29 PM
Used to love The Graduate. I watched it again a while ago and found myself not liking Benjamin. The guy's a fucking asshole. Maybe this means I'm getting old. But back when I first saw it, I loved that movie.

menikmati
03-20-2007, 01:33 PM
Casablanca is mehh......I'll take a John Ford film from the same era over it anyday of the week...stagecoach or Grapes of Wrath.

schoolofruckus
03-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Jennie and I just saw "The Graduate" a few months ago. We agreed that it's ever bit as good as advertised.

SojuGorae
03-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Grapes of Wrath is great. One of the few old movies that doesn't seem old.

menikmati
03-20-2007, 01:34 PM
I would kinda like to see a new adaptation of Grapes Of Wrath, though it would be hard (if not impossible) to get the image of Fonda being the only Tom Joad out of my head.

Courtney
03-20-2007, 01:35 PM
Used to love The Graduate. I watched it again a while ago and found myself not liking Benjamin. The guy's a fucking asshole. Maybe this means I'm getting old. But back when I first saw it, I loved that movie.

Yeah, I agree. He's not a very likable character. I'd even say it borders on misogyny. But I don't have to like/identify with a lead character to enjoy a film.

schoolofruckus
03-20-2007, 01:36 PM
I would like to see - make, actually - a new adaptation of "The Fountainhead". One of many reasons would be to get the image of Gary Cooper as Howard Roark out of my head.

menikmati
03-20-2007, 01:44 PM
ohh go for it gabe...I can be your DP...I graduate in may, and I need a job

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 01:50 PM
Blasphemy! Get that boy the DVD asap. The Graduate is definitely in my top 25. Everything (the cinematography, direction, acting, music) is perfection.

Used to love The Graduate. I watched it again a while ago and found myself not liking Benjamin. The guy's a fucking asshole. Maybe this means I'm getting old. But back when I first saw it, I loved that movie.

Jennie and I just saw "The Graduate" a few months ago. We agreed that it's ever bit as good as advertised.

trivia time. which modern character-driven masterpiece lifts/pays homage to the opening sequence from "the graduate"? this is an easy one.

codytwo
03-20-2007, 01:51 PM
The Royal Tenenbaums.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 01:53 PM
nope. keep guessing.

(are you serious btw? i don't remember the opening of tenenbaums)

codytwo
03-20-2007, 01:55 PM
OHHHH! Jackie Brown.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 02:05 PM
OHHHH! Jackie Brown.

right. i loved how tarantino did it too. bobby womack instead of simon and garfunkel, how jackie starts running for her flight. he's saying it's a whole new ball game now. plus the movie as a whole should be commended for actually giving voice to the interior lives of black people, something hollywood all too often fails to do. right gabe?

also, on a slightly similar subject, anybody else find it slightly depressing that terence howard is starring in what appears to be a retarded ass formulaic "black hope" picture about some goddamned swim team? wtf? terence howard=good actor. GOOD. his film choices? probably somewhat limited. brother's gotta eat you know. shame on you hollywood. still. after all these years too. for shame.

downingthief
03-20-2007, 02:05 PM
I think he's doing a great deal of things right. I also think that many actors, as they do with the likes of Lars von Trier, will knowingly take on the risk of working with a short-fused genius if they think that it will result in a brilliant or prominent performance on their part. And I know that Russell does have some friendships with some of his actors; it was humorously observed on the Hollywood Elsewhere message board yesterday that Russell probably never talked to Wahlberg like that because Marky Mark would kick his fucking ass.

Starbright, I have to admit that I've seen very little of the films from the era of "Ben Hur. I'm not generally a fan of big Hollywood dramas to begin with - although there is the occasional exception, like "Titanic". So when I seek out older movies, I tend to go for things that seem more artistically interesting (whatever that may entail) to me, as opposed to the crowd-pleasing standards. For example, I haven't seen "Ben Hur", but I have seen "The Human Condition", "Kanal", and "The Seventh Seal"; nothing against "Ben Hur", but those other three felt more like stuff that I would be interested in. I haven't even seen "Casablanca", although I've always wanted to.

I absolutely love "Citizen Kane" and "12 Angry Men". I saw "The Maltese Falcon" in high school and I thought it was great. I also love "The Wizard of Oz"....I don't care if that makes me gay. I really want to see "Rebel Without a Cause" and "The Apartment", but will I watch them before I get to the Cassavetes and Antonioni stuff on my list? Probably not. When it comes right down to it, I'm more of a 60's & 70's kind of guy than a 40's & 50's.


Gabe, as you know, Casablanca is my personal top fave. HIGHLY recommend it...it's a must! The Apartment is a great film, too. Not in my top 25 but, very close.

KungFuJoe
03-20-2007, 02:17 PM
Has anyone here gone to see "The Host yet??

if not, What you waiting for?!?! GO! do it!

SojuGorae
03-20-2007, 02:17 PM
also, on a slightly similar subject, anybody else find it slightly depressing that terence howard is starring in what appears to be a retarded ass formulaic "black hope" picture about some goddamned swim team? wtf? terence howard=good actor. GOOD. his film choices? probably somewhat limited. brother's gotta eat you know. shame on you hollywood. still. after all these years too. for shame.

That's what all actors do, though. They participate in projects that they hope will draw in a large crowd and then they do ones that they are passionate about. I think this is more the work of their agents then their own.

comiddle
03-20-2007, 02:29 PM
I watched Shortbus last night. It was amazing. That is all.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 02:31 PM
That's what all actors do, though. They participate in projects that they hope will draw in a large crowd and then they do ones that they are passionate about. I think this is more the work of their agents then their own.

yes but the ben stillers and owen wilsons of the world always seem to have more to choose from to make ends meet. that's the REAL tragedy is all i'm saying. someone give terence howard a REAL job so he doesn't have to make soul plane 3. lawrence fishburne too.

SojuGorae
03-20-2007, 02:32 PM
yes but the ben stillers and owen wilsons of the world always seem to have more to choose from to make ends meet. that's the REAL tragedy is all i'm saying. someone give terence howard a REAL job so he doesn't have to make soul plane 3. lawrence fishburne too.
Or Big Momma's House. He was in that too.

You've got a point there.

jackstraw94086
03-20-2007, 02:41 PM
yes but the ben stillers and owen wilsons of the world always seem to have more to choose from to make ends meet. that's the REAL tragedy is all i'm saying. someone give terence howard a REAL job so he doesn't have to make soul plane 3. lawrence fishburne too.

You've already tagged yourself as a communist on this board. Now you're just showboating.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 02:49 PM
You've already tagged yourself as a communist on this board. Now you're just showboating.

communist? because i believe in equality for equal talents? you're a RACIST, jackstraw. RACIST.

kidding. sort of.

but who gets more job offers? owen wilson or larry fishburne? and who's the better ACTOR? uh-huh. that's what i thought you said. game is rigged is all i'm saying. and if all the black community WANTS is soul plane 3, then we're in deeper trouble than i thought. and if you actually BELIEVE that, then the world truly is going to hell in a handbasket.

shame on hollywood for contributing to the dumbing down of a nation. it's not bad enough that an entire generation of black men are in prison rather than college. we have to feed them grape slurpees too. shame on you hollywood. SHAME.

feel free to flame. i have time.

jackstraw94086
03-20-2007, 02:54 PM
sure, why not. Let's pay everyone the same for their work regardless of how well it sells.

Better yet, let's pay them nothing. Let's distribute their work free to the proletariat and hope the bourgoisie pick up the slack.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 03:00 PM
jesus christ. that's not what i'm saying at all. i'm talking about access to oppportunity. fishburne could carry a dramatic role better than half these jokers out here. but he doesn't get offered it. and why? because it doesn't sell? that's the crux of your argument? jesus. at least give him the chance first is all i'm saying.

also if what you're saying is correct (and i think there IS a big kernel of truth in that), then america IS a racist country and we get not only what we pay for, but what we also CREATE. which proves MY point. thank you.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 03:03 PM
also i have to leave now. change of plans. we will fight again soon.

also want to hear what gabe thinks. his sandbox after all. ok late.

jackstraw94086
03-20-2007, 03:05 PM
fishburne could carry a dramatic role better than half these jokers out here.
says you. The lowest common demonimator watches comedies and they find owen and ben funnier than larry.

Hey. I think I could be a better CEO of microsoft than bill gates. Why can't I at least get a shot? it's not fair. life's so unfair.

schoolofruckus
03-20-2007, 03:05 PM
trivia time. which modern character-driven masterpiece lifts/pays homage to the opening sequence from "the graduate"? this is an easy one.

"Jackie Brown".

I haven't yet read to see if anyone else got it right.

PotVsKtl
03-20-2007, 03:06 PM
and if all the black community WANTS is soul plane 3, then we're in deeper trouble than i thought.

It has nothing to do with the "black community." It's the American community, AKA a spittle-slicked pulsating mass of lapsed neural networks.

1. 300 $32.9M
2. Wild Hogs $19.1M
3. Premonition $17.6M
4. Dead Silence $7.8M
5. I Think I Love My Wife $5.7M

jackstraw94086
03-20-2007, 03:09 PM
I'm sending that post to the NAACP for racism analysis.

PotVsKtl
03-20-2007, 03:12 PM
What are they going to do, send Sinbad after me?

jackstraw94086
03-20-2007, 03:15 PM
with Wayne Brady in tow.

mob roulette
03-20-2007, 03:16 PM
assholes. also jack's arguing economics while i'm talking about talent. if it's the way the system works, then it's the way the system works. but at least follow that thought out to its logical conclusion and admit the deck is stacked against "serious" minority actors. cause it is. exhibit a:

terence howard

Pride (2007) .... Jim Ellis
Idlewild (2006) .... Trumpy
Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2005) .... Bama
Animal (2005) (V) .... Darius Allen
Four Brothers (2005) .... Lt. Green
Their Eyes Were Watching God (2005) (TV) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Amos Hicks
Lackawanna Blues (2005) (TV) (as Terrance Dashon Howard) .... Bill Crosby
The Salon (2005) .... Patrick
Hustle & Flow (2005) .... Djay
Ray (2004/I) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Gossie McKee
Crash (2004/I) .... Cameron Thayer... aka L.A. Crash (Germany)
"Street Time" (2002) TV Series .... Lucius Mosley (unknown episodes, 2003)
Love Chronicles (2003) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... T-Roy
"Soul Food" .... Benny Jones (2 episodes, 2002-2003)
- The New Math (2003) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Benny Jones
- Emotional Collateral (2002) TV Episode .... Benny Jones
Biker Boyz (2003) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Chu Chu
"Fastlane" .... Alton White (1 episode, 2002)
- Things Done Changed (2002) TV Episode .... Alton White
Hart's War (2002) .... Lt. Lincoln A. Scott
Glitter (2001) .... Timothy Walker
Angel Eyes (2001) .... Robby
... aka Ojos de ángel (USA: Spanish title)
Boycott (2001) (TV) .... Ralph Abernathy
Investigating Sex (2001) .... Lorenz
Love Beat the Hell Outta Me (2000) .... Chris
Big Momma's House (2000) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Lester Vesco
... aka Big Mamas Haus (Germany)
King of the World (2000) (TV) .... Cassius Clay
... aka Muhammad Ali: King of the World (USA: promotional title)
The Best Man (1999/I) .... Quentin
Best Laid Plans (1999) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Jimmy
"NYPD Blue" .... AJ / ... (2 episodes, 1998-1999)
- What's Up, Chuck? (1999) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... AJ
- Hammer Time (1998) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Lonnie
Valerie Flake (1999) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Hitchhiker
Mama Flora's Family (1998) (TV) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Lincoln
The Players Club (1998) (as Terence Howard) .... K.C.
Spark (1998) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Byron
Butter (1998) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Dexter Banks
... aka Never 2 Big (USA: video box title)
Double Tap (1997) .... Ulysses
Johns (1996) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Jimmy the Warlock
Sunset Park (1996) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Spaceman
"Sparks" (1996) TV Series .... Greg Sparks (unknown episodes)
Mr. Holland's Opus (1995) .... Louis Russ
Shadow-Ops (1995) (TV) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Rio
"New York Undercover" .... Buster (1 episode, 1995)
... aka Uptown Undercover
- Buster and Claudia (1995) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Buster
Dead Presidents (1995) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... CowboyLotto Land (1995) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Warren
The O.J. Simpson Story (1995) (TV) .... Young A.C
"Picket Fences" .... Malik (2 episodes, 1994)
- Elective Conduct (1994) TV Episode .... Malik
- Enemy Lines (1994) TV Episode .... Malik
"Getting By" .... Herbert (1 episode, 1994)
- My Brilliant Career (1994) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Herbert
"Family Matters" .... John (1 episode, 1994)
- Opposites Attract (1994) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... John
"Coach" .... Johnny Williams (1 episode, 1994)
- Blue Chip Blues (1994) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Johnny Williams
"Living Single" .... Brendan King (1 episode, 1994)
... aka My Girls
- The Hand That Robs the Cradle (1994) TV Episode (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Brendan King
"Tall Hopes" (1993) TV Series (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Chester Harris (age 16)
Who's the Man? (1993) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .... Customer
The Jacksons: An American Dream (1992) (TV) (as Terrence Dashon Howard) .