Mark Ronson. Confused>?

[normalone75]

Hey just a question. I'm a bit confused about Mark Ronson, i mean besides his Radiohead cover what does, he do? Is he more of a producer than a musician? I mean he did win best male artist at the Brit awards so there must be something remotely intriguing about him....Yall help me out will ya?

[M Sparks]

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing the other day.

Apparently, his whole album from last year was all covers, all with guest vocals.

His 2003 album appears to be all guest vocalists as well, though the songs are originals.

I would assume he's just there as a DJ, but who knows. UNKLE just played backing tracks of the guest vocals, even though they had a full band. (Which is partially why I didn't like their set.)

[shakermaker113]

when he played galstonbury he was with a full band, doing all his covers live. some of the guest vocalists were different than on record.

I think there's another thread about this actually. apparently when he played in LA Robbie Williams joined him on stage to guest vocal on a song.

[PassiveTheory]

He's a producer, not an artist.

[M Sparks]

when he played galstonbury he was with a full band, doing all his covers live. some of the guest vocalists were different than on record.

Cool, I guess, but...I don't know, it's still a cover band.

[nationocean]

He is the Sergio Mendes of indie music.. and i will not be at his coachella set.. blah.

[shakermaker113]

here are the other threads. the second one includes a writeup of a live show.

http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15771 (http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15771&highlight=mark+ronson)
http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15393

and yeah, still just a cover band. fun if there's nothing else going on. but probably not worth going out of your way for.

[M Sparks]

Cool SM...thanks.

That review still doesn't answer one minor question...what does he DO onstage.

If I hear Robbie Williams or some other semi-interesting guest shows up, I'll be mad at myself later, but I'm pretty sure this will be low on my list.

[jackstraw94086]

He's a producer, not an artist.

ignoramus, locate the door and use it.

[M Sparks]

Jackstraw...saw you in the other thread, but didn't want to bump it.

What did you mean by "They aren't covers, they're remixes." How could they be remixes if you have a full band and a different singer? I don't get it.

I'm not tooling on him...a cover band can be great fun...like The Dan Band, or Me First. But it sounds like what he does is pretty much the definition of a cover, no matter how much he puts his own artistic spin on it.

And again...what does he DO onstage?

[normalone75]

so still no answers, apparently he has worked with the Dap kings? Who will be there with Sharon Jones? Correct?....Mark Ronson has just picked up W.A.L.E to his label.....I would love to see W.A.L.E..... Help.....

[PassiveTheory]

And again...what does he DO onstage?

Nothing. He just stands off to the side and ponders "hey, what other good songs can I plunder and rape while riding Amy Winehouse's coattails?... Hmmm..."

[Sonicifyouwantit]

Jackstraw...saw you in the other thread, but didn't want to bump it.

What did you mean by "They aren't covers, they're remixes." How could they be remixes if you have a full band and a different singer? I don't get it.

I'm not tooling on him...a cover band can be great fun...like The Dan Band, or Me First. But it sounds like what he does is pretty much the definition of a cover, no matter how much he puts his own artistic spin on it.

And again...what does he DO onstage?

you can always walk the 1/8 mile from where ever you are to his stage and find out.

[M Sparks]

you can always walk the 1/8 mile from where ever you are to his stage and find out.

I just find it odd that even in a printed newspaper review, there's no indication as to his role. He's got a band, and other people sing all the songs. Does he DJ WITH the band? That might be cool. Or is he IN the band? Maybe he swaps instruments...just can't get a grasp on this guys act, and I'm not the only one.

I think it's a fair question to ask a fan..."What kind of show is it?"

[rage patton]

I saw a video, and Mark Ronson was playing guitar for both songs. I guess he is the guitarist/conductor of the band.

[M Sparks]

so still no answers, apparently he has worked with the Dap kings? Who will be there with Sharon Jones? Correct?....Mark Ronson has just picked up W.A.L.E to his label.....I would love to see W.A.L.E..... Help.....

Plenty of answers to your questions, I thought. But no one will answer my ONE question. :D

[M Sparks]

I saw a video, and Mark Ronson was playing guitar for both songs. I guess he is the guitarist/conductor of the band.

Cool...thanks!

EDIT, Guess I could have looked for videos, huh...

[sddoctor]

He plays keyboards, guitar, turntables, and I think i've seen pictures of him playing the drums.

[Sonicifyouwantit]

I just find it odd that even in a printed newspaper review, there's no indication as to his role. He's got a band, and other people sing all the songs. Does he DJ WITH the band? That might be cool. Or is he IN the band? Maybe he swaps instruments...just can't get a grasp on this guys act, and I'm not the only one.

I think it's a fair question to ask a fan..."What kind of show is it?"

I think hes a jon brion type, plays instruments and sings a bit

[fatbastard]

I made a note to watch for his set to see who shows up. I hope the backup band includes horns.

[jackstraw94086]

Nothing. He just stands off to the side and ponders "hey, what other good songs can I plunder and rape while riding Amy Winehouse's coattails?... Hmmm..."

instead of displaying astonishing willful ignorance of what he does how about you spend 5 minutes not parotting something you heard and actually do some research. It's completely obvious that all you know about him is from amazon.com

Have you paused for one moment and pondered how an artist who "only does covers" would get an invitation to coachella?

[Blintz]

he's a former model who spins records. and he's from a wealthy family with connections in the music business. so he knows people and he's pretty. and he DJ's at celebrity weddings so a bunch of rich white 30-year-olds can "get down"

[jackstraw94086]

please quote your source about the wealthy family. As far as big connections in the music business, it's because he's fucking collaborated with much of it at this point.

Buy a clue, you fucking hipsters

[lubita77]

I think Ronson's going to spin records at Coachella, but I'm not 100% sure.
If so, he has good mixing skills and plays mostly rock/pop/rap/electronic. Not not the kind of thing I'll be crazy about at the fest, but still lots of fun.

He's related to NY's hip hop scene and is recently working lots in England producing the likes of Amy W (the band that plays with SJ is the same that plays on AW's album, The Dap Kings) and Lily Allen. On stage, on a live show, he plays guitar, while guest musicians and vocalists re-interprete the songs of the "Versions" album. I wrote a piece about him last year, when he came to dj in Sao Paulo, and I think people tend to dislike his because of the covers, because he played Tom Cruise's wedding, because he's modeling to GAP and stuff. But there's people also calling him the new Phil Spector, as he's really quite talented and has been working studios with big, major names.

He composed things like Amy W's "Back to Black" orchestration. And that's enough for me - I like that record a lot.

[PassiveTheory]

Have you paused for one moment and pondered how an artist who "only does covers" would get an invitation to coachella?

Dude, if Goldenvoice only invited legitimate artists we wouldn't be stuck this year with the likes of Slightly Stoopid, Enter Shikari, Calvin Harris, and Mark Ronson. That is all.

I've listened to "his" album, it's nothing but cover songs, and if he WAS DJing, you'd figure they'd have it advertised as "Mark Ronson in the tent", but CLEARLY he's touring with a band, so yes, he's nothing but a rip-off artist, as far as I'm concerned.

The only way you could get me to see Mark Ronson would be a contest between him and Geoff Barrow since that little talentless snot had the audacity to call out Geoff. I'd pay money to see Geoff OWN his fucking face at turntables and send him off crying back to Amy Winehouse's meth scratched hooch.

[jackstraw94086]

Dude, if Goldenvoice only invited legitimate artists we wouldn't be stuck this year with the likes of Slightly Stoopid, Enter Shikari, Calvin Harris, and Mark Ronson. That is all.

I've listened to "his" album, it's nothing but cover songs, and if he WAS DJing, you'd figure they'd have it advertised as "Mark Ronson in the tent", but CLEARLY he's touring with a band, so yes, he's nothing but a rip-off artist, as far as I'm concerned.

The only way you could get me to see Mark Ronson would be a contest between him and Geoff Barrow since that little talentless snot had the audacity to call out Geoff. I'd pay money to see Geoff OWN his fucking face at turntables and send him off crying back to Amy Winehouse's meth scratched hooch.

Are you for real? You really have a shit selective memory. Geoff Barrow called out Ronson. And Ronson's response actually had class enough to include some respect for music while spanking him about his attitude. And Geoff Barrow is not a fucking turntablist, which Ronson has a reputation for. Barrow's an impudent little bitch who's also attacked Danger Mouse unprovoked.

You are not ready to debate this.


btw, Have you seen Mark Ronson DJ? In a pure turntablism contest it would not even be fucking close.


Answer honestly.

[PassiveTheory]

Geoff Barrow would own his ass. Enough said.

[bballarl]

Sigh. Go get him, Jack.

[jackstraw94086]

Geoff Barrow would own his ass. Enough said.

too bad you have absolutely nothing to base that opinion on other than a dislike of Ronson. You've never heard either one of them display real turntablism.

Worst kind of hipsterism.

[PassiveTheory]

Mark Ronson cannot, nor will he ever match the magic present on the first two Portishead releases, and one of the main reasons for this is Geoff Barrow's turntabling skills.

[jackstraw94086]

Mark Ronson cannot, nor will he ever match the magic present on the first two Portishead releases, and one of the main reasons for this is Geoff Barrow's turntabling skills.

at every turn you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the most basic terms. You are refering to Geoff Barrow's production skills.

[PassiveTheory]

Who's the guy doing the turntables during Portishead's live shows? During the PNYC record? That's right. Geoff Barrow.

Even at production work, Geoff kicks Mark Ronson's ass. The man finds new ways to make records, whereas Mark Ronson is merely capitalizing on the retro-Motown thing that every white British chick singer has ridden the gravy train to stardom on in the last 2 years.

[jackstraw94086]

yeah. that's why so much of the music industry wants to work with him. Because of how bad he is. (keep in mind it has nothing to do with his popularity because until recently, and pretty much still, nobody knows him)

fantastic.

Barrow's good, but not very versatile.

And he's not a fucking turntablist in the commonly accepted hip hop sense of the word.

jesus

[PassiveTheory]

Not versatile? LOL.

Is that assuming that Mark "hey! Everything thing I do that's ACTUALLY successful is Motown!" Ronson is actually versatile? My god, you can't be fucking serious. No way.

Everybody in the music industry wants to work with Timbaland, does that make everything he does great? Hell fucking no.

All the proof I need concerning Geoff's versatility as a producer is on Third, because if you can sit through that record and listen to stuff like "Machine Gun" and "We Carry One" and have the audacity to say that it's EXACTLY like the material from Dummy and s/t then I dont know what to tell you.

[vinylmartyr]

They have 2 dj's I think.

[vinylmartyr]

right. I have not heard the new album.

[shakermaker113]

Dude, if Goldenvoice only invited legitimate artists we wouldn't be stuck this year with the likes of Slightly Stoopid, Enter Shikari, Calvin Harris, and Mark Ronson. That is all.

you forgot john jackson.

[menikmati]

Jeff, are you going this year?

[PassiveTheory]

I don't bother mentioning him when making an insult... It's just too easy.

[vinylmartyr]

Jeff, are you going this year?


Yes

[bballarl]

Not versatile? LOL.

Is that assuming that Mark "hey! Everything thing I do that's ACTUALLY successful is Motown!" Ronson is actually versatile? My god, you can't be fucking serious. No way.

Everybody in the music industry wants to work with Timbaland, does that make everything he does great? Hell fucking no.

All the proof I need concerning Geoff's versatility as a producer is on Third, because if you can sit through that record and listen to stuff like "Machine Gun" and "We Carry One" and have the audacity to say that it's EXACTLY like the material from Dummy and s/t then I dont know what to tell you.

The only issue here is you like Portishead and you don't like Mark Ronson. That is the extent of your argument, no matter what you say.

It is the same thing, again and again. You learn about a band, you like them, you decide that all of a sudden you are an expert on this band, and you argue with people for stupid reasons using invalid logic to show people you like this band.

[vinylmartyr]

What happened to Andy Smith?

[menikmati]

Yes

Ok, good to hear.

[vinylmartyr]

He gets credit on that Roseland NYC live show. I saw it on imdb.

[PassiveTheory]

It doesn't take an expert to know who the fuck is doing the turntables on a record, dude. Nor does it take an expert to listen to Third and listen to their older releases and go "hey, there's a difference here!".

[vinylmartyr]

I'm going to camp again. Probably have terrible flashbacks.

[vinylmartyr]

http://www.djandysmith.com/images/andy/andy_bw_sm.jpg

http://www.zapclub.nl/flyerz/199903b.jpg

[vinylmartyr]

http://kludgemagazine.com/news/concerts/stanton/hendy_small.jpg

[bballarl]

It doesn't take an expert to know who the fuck is doing the turntables on a record, dude. Nor does it take an expert to listen to Third and listen to their older releases and go "hey, there's a difference here!".

You are right. But I was not arguing whether or not Geoff Barrow does turntables on Portishead records. Nor was I arguing that there was a difference in sound between the new Portishead record and their others.

[bballarl]

Hey Jeff.

[vinylmartyr]

Hey

[PassiveTheory]

You are right. But I was not arguing whether or not Geoff Barrow does turntables on Portishead records. Nor was I arguing that there was a difference in sound between the new Portishead record and their others.

No, all you did was impassively sit there and command jackstraw like he was your dog or something.

But, now that I've done my research and figured out it was Andy Smith doing the scratching on the Portishead records, all that need be said is that the name of the game for both men is producing, and Geoff is eons ahead of the game, while Mark Ronson is just coasting along on other people's coattails.

[bballarl]

I did not think I had the energy to argue with you this evening. I surprised myself.

[miscorrections]

Attaboy.

[jackstraw94086]

Not versatile? LOL.

Is that assuming that Mark "hey! Everything thing I do that's ACTUALLY successful is Motown!" Ronson is actually versatile? My god, you can't be fucking serious. No way.

Everybody in the music industry wants to work with Timbaland, does that make everything he does great? Hell fucking no.

All the proof I need concerning Geoff's versatility as a producer is on Third, because if you can sit through that record and listen to stuff like "Machine Gun" and "We Carry One" and have the audacity to say that it's EXACTLY like the material from Dummy and s/t then I dont know what to tell you.

The reason you aren't aware of Mark Ronson's versatility is that you don't even fucking know what he's done. Do you really think he got where he is with a couple 12" releases and a collaboration with amy winehouse?

I'm not going to let you nit-pick this away with specific song examples because that's just plain fucking retarded. Besides, you're reaching off the point. I never said Geoff Barrow wasn't a good producer. You said he's a better turntablist than Mark Ronson which, even if you could understand what that meant, has no basis for comparison. You automatically equate large figures in the music industry with bad music. You are the worst kind of disgusting hipster. Timbaland wants to work with talented people just the same as anybody else. Do you really honestly believe that so many artists want to work with somebody who's so talentless? Maybe he could have asked Geoff Barrow to collaborate, but he didn't. In your mind that means Geoff > Mark. work on your logic.

Quit talking about Geoff Barrow. He has nothing to do with anything (except for being a pompous little shit).

[jackstraw94086]

It doesn't take an expert to know who the fuck is doing the turntables on a record, dude. Nor does it take an expert to listen to Third and listen to their older releases and go "hey, there's a difference here!".

lol.

[rage patton]

Dude, if Goldenvoice only invited legitimate artists we wouldn't be stuck this year with the likes of Slightly Stoopid, Enter Shikari, Calvin Harris, and Mark Ronson. That is all.

Wait... I don't know if everyone shares Passive's opinion on this... but what is wrong with Calvin Harris? He isn't amazing or anything, but he certainly has some fun songs.

[jackstraw94086]

There's nothing wrong with calvin harris. He makes unpretentious electro pop songs. He's a kind of a milder version of Kissy Sell Out.

Assuming this PT knows more about him than his myspace page (which is a longshot), he's just mentioning him in a hipster front.

[PassiveTheory]

The reason you aren't aware of Mark Ronson's versatility is that you don't even fucking know what he's done. Do you really think he got where he is with a couple 12" releases and a collaboration with amy winehouse?

Nobody was talking about Mark Ronson before Back to Black's release.

You automatically equate large figures in the music industry with bad music. You are the worst kind of disgusting hipster. Timbaland wants to work with talented people just the same as anybody else. Do you really honestly believe that so many artists want to work with somebody who's so talentless?

You're taking my words out of context. I didn't say everything Timbaland does sucks, I was making a point that just because a certain individual becomes a popular producer doesn't make everything he produces gold. You're the one incorrectly insinuating that I meant everything Timbaland does sucks.

As for the LONG list of people Mark Ronson's produced for? Christina Aguilera, Amy Winehouse, Lily Allen, Robbie Williams, Rhymefest. Two of whom are from the same White British Motown revival scene and Christina's "return to roots" album "Back to Basics". Completely fucking versatile, yep.

[PassiveTheory]

There's nothing wrong with calvin harris. He makes unpretentious electro pop songs. He's a kind of a milder version of Kissy Sell Out.

Assuming this PT knows more about him than his myspace page (which is a longshot), he's just mentioning him in a hipster front.

I watched the youtube video linked from the artist page on the main site... God awful shit. Sorry Josh, it just is.

[bballarl]

Sigh.

[jackstraw94086]

I watched the youtube video linked from the artist page on the main site... God awful shit. Sorry Josh, it just is.

Thank god you don't like what most people do.


Thank god.

[PassiveTheory]

Most people? That's a funny term.

Now, if most people like crap like Mark Ronson, Calvin Harris, Nickelback, Miley Cyrus and Hinder, more power to them... Don't care if they want to listen to shitty music unless it interferes with my life.

[greghead]

He's a producer, not an artist.

Wow, did you really say that? I'm not even going to scroll down to see if someone ripped you for this, which you most certainly deserve. You should reevaluate that statement

[PassiveTheory]

Yeah, no. I'm not. If he's getting recognition and fame for his production and releasing a "solo album" of him "performing" his "own" material, it renders everything beforehand moot.

It's like saying Tom Cruise is a legitimate actor, when he's going to be remembered as a Grade A, certifiable nutcase.

[miscorrections]

Don't you bring Miley into this. See You Again is a quality dance tune.

[jackstraw94086]

Nobody was talking about Mark Ronson before Back to Black's release.

you mean you weren't. Get the fuck over yourself.


You're taking my words out of context. I didn't say everything Timbaland does sucks, I was making a point that just because a certain individual becomes a popular producer doesn't make everything he produces gold. You're the one incorrectly insinuating that I meant everything Timbaland does sucks.

You're a piss poor logician and that's a horrible attempt to turn that around.
Without me ever claiming that him working with timbaland made him automatically talented, you preemptively chose to claim that it did not. All I ever said was it's foolish to think that so many members of the music industry would seek out collaboration with someone who "only does covers". Besides, we all know you've got a holier than thou stick up your ass about pop music (as evidenced by your ignorance as to its definition)



As for the LONG list of people Mark Ronson's produced for? Christina Aguilera, Amy Winehouse, Lily Allen, Robbie Williams, Rhymefest. Two of whom are from the same White British Motown revival scene and Christina's "return to roots" album "Back to Basics". Completely fucking versatile, yep.
So working with the Dap Kings and Lily Allen are the same to you? Why didn't your amateur googling didn't turn up Jay-Z, Ol Dirty Bastard, and Ghostface?
He's also done production work behind the scenes for many others. And you also conveniently left out his original work.


You live in the tiniest fucking bubble I've ever seen. You better milk academia before it tosses you out on your ass.

[jackstraw94086]

Most people? That's a funny term.

Now, if most people like crap like Mark Ronson, Calvin Harris, Nickelback, Miley Cyrus and Hinder, more power to them... Don't care if they want to listen to shitty music unless it interferes with my life.


Look at you comparing mark ronson to miley cyrus.
When I say most people I'm confining it to this board, but it applies more broadly too.

Your indictment of Miley Cyrus is actually a feather in her cap as far as I'm concerned.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[greghead]

PF,
Tom Cruise? Why are you talking about Tom Cruise? He's a weirdo, but he's damn good in Born on the Fourth of July; but I think you might be too young to be familiar with that film.

You're focusing on the fact that Mark Ronson has built a name and a reputation by working with other people, which speaks virtually nothing of his actual abilities. Frank Sinatra was a cover artist, and he's a fucking legend. Instead of listening to the words that belong to someone else, try listening to the production and the music. Ronson is a turntable version of Phil Spector; another "nut-job" who happens to be a musical genius.

[jackstraw94086]

It's like saying Tom Cruise is a legitimate actor, when he's going to be remembered as a Grade A, certifiable nutcase.

See this sums up your fucking problem very nicely.
Yes, Tom Cruise is a nutcase. But to say that he's not a legitimate actor is beyond fucking retardery. To claim that the biggest actor in the world has simply pulled the wool over everyone else's eyes but yours is the most arrogant bullshit I've ever heard. You are by far the most pathetic hipster this board has ever seen. You are such a pompous twit that you can't separate what you think is trendy opinion from common sense.

[PassiveTheory]

you mean you weren't. Get the fuck over yourself.

Please, I've heard of no mention of Mark Ronson before Back to Black nor before the announcement of his Coachella performance. The latter doesn't automatically write off artists in my book, hell this year I've discovered a LOT in my searches (MGMT, Jens Lekman, Vampire Weekend, Boys Noize, etc.), but his name wasn't tossed around like the Timbalands and Dr. Dres of the world. Far from it.

You're a piss poor logician and that's a horrible attempt to turn that around.
Without me ever claiming that him working with timbaland made him automatically talented, you preemptively chose to claim that it did not. All I ever said was it's foolish to think that so many members of the music industry would seek out collaboration with someone who "only does covers".

You were still talking about Timbaland in the ORIGINAL context of the quote:

Timbaland wants to work with talented people just the same as anybody else. Do you really honestly believe that so many artists want to work with somebody who's so talentless?

Implies that Timbaland is talentless, jackass.

Besides, we all know you've got a holier than thou stick up your ass about pop music (as evidenced by your ignorance as to its definition)

Please... If that was the case I would be like "FUCK VAMPIRE WEEKEND AND ALL THE HYPE THOSE LUCKY HIPSTER BASTARDS ARE GETTING ON MTV" and "FUCK SPOON FOR WRITING WITTY YET SIMPLE POP SONGS"... Go fuck yourself.

So working with the Dap Kings and Lily Allen are the same to you? Why didn't your amateur googling didn't turn up Jay-Z, Ol Dirty Bastard, and Ghostface?
He's also done production work behind the scenes for many others. And you also conveniently left out his original work.

I named people he had produced FOR. Is Jay-Z one of those guys he had "done production work behind the scenes" for? ODB too? Or are you just going to keep on pulling names out of your ass?

[PassiveTheory]

PF,
Tom Cruise? Why are you talking about Tom Cruise? He's a weirdo, but he's damn good in Born on the Fourth of July; but I think you might be too young to be familiar with that film.

You're focusing on the fact that Mark Ronson has built a name and a reputation by working with other people, which speaks virtually nothing of his actual abilities. Frank Sinatra was a cover artist, and he's a fucking legend. Instead of listening to the words that belong to someone else, try listening to the production and the music. Ronson is a turntable version of Phil Spector; another "nut-job" who happens to be a musical genius.

You can't make the Sinatra/Ronson comparison because Ronson doesn't fucking sing anything off the covers record. His solo record, the new one, the one he's promoting and will be playing songs off of at Coachella, sounds like nothing but throwaway tracks from the Back to Black sessions.

I actually like Amy Winehouse, and I like Lily Allen. I'm seeing Sharon Jones at Coachella this year. Still, none of that takes away from the fact that, as a solo artist, Mark Ronson is terrible.

[greghead]

He makes the music. And he makes it sound good. The lyrics might very well be secondary to the music he is making sound good. But your mind is made.

Winehouse and Allen are terrible, the music is the only element I find interesting. Sharon Jones is cool, though, she's been around. That lady can really sing. Very few on this board knew who she was 6 months ago. Definitely check out her set.

[jackstraw94086]

Please, I've heard of no mention of Mark Ronson before Back to Black nor before the announcement of his Coachella performance. The latter doesn't automatically write off artists in my book, hell this year I've discovered a LOT in my searches (MGMT, Jens Lekman, Vampire Weekend, Boys Noize, etc.), but his name wasn't tossed around like the Timbalands and Dr. Dres of the world. Far from it.

Mark Ronson has been a relatively big noise in indie hip hop since the turn of the fucking century. The only reason you don't claim to know this about him is your googling didn't take you back that far.



You were still talking about Timbaland in the ORIGINAL context of the quote:

Implies that Timbaland is talentless, jackass.

ya. there's such a fucked attempt at an argument in there it makes my head hurt to even try to figure out how your head works.


Please... If that was the case I would be like "FUCK VAMPIRE WEEKEND AND ALL THE HYPE THOSE LUCKY HIPSTER BASTARDS ARE GETTING ON MTV" and "FUCK SPOON FOR WRITING WITTY YET SIMPLE POP SONGS"... Go fuck yourself.
once again the passive theory school of argument rears it's obnoxious head. You love bringing up one named example of something in an attempt to refute a broad (and evidenced) accusation. So you're not harping on vampire weekend. Big fucking whoop.



I named people he had produced FOR. Is Jay-Z one of those guys he had "done production work behind the scenes" for? ODB too? Or are you just going to keep on pulling names out of your ass?
Semantics, douche. Again, your google school of knowledge fails you. I've been following indie hip hop much longer than you have (if you ever have).
You're a fucking know nothing ignorant douche if you really believe nobody talked about him before back to black. Here Comes The Fuzz was up on the top shelf at Rasputin and Amoeba and thousands of other record stores back in 2002. I was there I saw it, back when you were still begging for allowance to buy your green day albums. He was even talked about before then. He was one of the noises in indie hip hop before names like Jurassic 5 and RJD2 got huge.

And it doesn't matter if it's "...ft Mark Ronson" or "Mark Ronson ft.." it's all collaboration. And again, he does a lot of work you don't know about.

You fucking napster generation dipshits don't have a clue.

[PassiveTheory]

once again the passive theory school of argument rears it's obnoxious head. You love bringing up one named example of something in an attempt to refute a broad (and evidenced) accusation. So you're not harping on vampire weekend. Big fucking whoop.

Do you want me to run off a whole list of pop acts I like? Do you? No. I didn't think so. The fact is that people have been bitching about Vampire Weekend on here for ages now, mainly because of the hype. I'm bitching about Mark Ronson not because of the hype, but because his solo record sucks.

Mark Ronson may have been a big name in the indie hip-hop scene back at the turn of the century, but he's now become a one-trick pony. "Hey, if all of these chicks can get big and receive critical acclaim off of the back of motown-esque production, so can I! With an album of half-assed covers too! Yeah! That'll work!"

[jackstraw94086]

Do you want me to run off a whole list of pop acts I like? Do you? No. I didn't think so.

no actually I do. Go ahead.

if you can.


You don't get it. You've waxed quasi-ironic anti-trendy on this board so long you can't refute it with "hey I didn't say shit about who'sa whatsisname"



Mark Ronson may have been a big name in the indie hip-hop scene back at the turn of the century, but he's now become a one-trick pony. "Hey, if all of these chicks can get big and receive critical acclaim off of the back of motown-esque production, so can I! With an album of half-assed covers too! Yeah! That'll work!"

you talk about his solo album as if you truly can't understand why your opinion isn't fact.

And as far as his motown-esque winehouse productions, jesus christ he was hired to job, which he did. What the fuck did you want him to do? Produce hyphy tracks for Amy Winehouse?

[PassiveTheory]

Here goes:
Maroon 5
311
Arctic Monkeys
Death Cab for Cutie
Feist
Beck
Coldplay
Franz Ferdinand
The Killers
Gnarls Barkley
Mika
No Doubt
Panic at the Disco
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Rilo Kiley

[jackstraw94086]

nope. sorry.
I doubt 4/5 people in the general public would know who Rilo Kiley or Panic at the Disco or Arctic Monkeys are so therefore they fail your pop test.

[PassiveTheory]

...*blinks* Not know Panic At the Disco?... I thought the hate they incurred was because of their popularity... And Brendon Urie's voice... And their fanbase...

You must be living among a completely different public, Jack.

[jackstraw94086]

...*blinks* Not know Panic At the Disco?... I thought the hate they incurred was because of their popularity... And Brendon Urie's voice... And their fanbase...

You must be living among a completely different public, Jack.


Don't you go to UC santa cruz? And you're accusing me of knowing less about the public?

[PassiveTheory]

We are talking about a band that won the MTV Music Award for Best Music Video... And has appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone... And a couple other eyeliner emo magazines...

[jackstraw94086]

dude nobody gives a fuck about MTV anymore. They ditched all attempts to monopolize mass appeal when the download generation hit. Now they're a schizophrenic mess of varying Wyclef progeny and Laguna Beach/Hills.

Everyone's in a bubble in college. Luckily mine hit during the rise of backstreet boys and britney spears.
When and if you ever have to take a train everyday and work in a big building you'll quickly realize most people have little time for music.

And we're talking about the general public. Even in MTV's heyday you probably find half the people on the street didn't know who Ratt or fucking Bullet Boys etc. were even though all young people did.

Life's pretty big.

[PassiveTheory]

dude nobody gives a fuck about MTV anymore. They ditched all attempts to monopolize mass appeal when the download generation hit. Now they're a schizophrenic mess of varying Wyclef progeny and Laguna Beach/Hills.

Everyone's in a bubble in college. Luckily mine hit during the rise of backstreet boys and britney spears.
When and if you ever have to take a train to everyday and work in a big building you'll quickly realize most people have little time for music.

And we're talking about the general public. Even in MTV's heyday you probably probably find half the people on the street didn't know who Ratt or fucking Bullet Boys etc. were even though all young people did.

Life's pretty big.

True.

While the media may want to give off the impression that people still love MTV, it's far from the real thing...

I gotta say, someone saying Panic isn't pop music is such a shock that I havent quite gotten over that...

[stinkbutt]

True.

While the media may want to give off the impression that people still love MTV, it's far from the real thing...

I gotta say, someone saying Panic isn't pop music is such a shock that I havent quite gotten over that...

I really don't like you. When you're nuts drop then start posting until then stfu

[PassiveTheory]

Because people not liking me has made me stop posting in the past. lol

[HunterGather]

I only know him through his production of Amy Winehouse's BACK TO BLACK album...

[londontoronto]

Oooooooooh Weeeeeeeeeeeeee

[M Sparks]

Wow, this exploded overnight.

Jackstraw, I'm going to check up on Mark Ronson some more. Anyone who has the patience to argue with PT so long is a good person who's judgment I trust.

[jackstraw94086]

no fuck that. mark ronson blows.

[shakermaker113]

this argument is great press for mark ronson.

[normalone75]

Toxic.....I am at least remotely intrigued and I imagine he will have special guests.....I am guessing a Live performance of DANCE with W.A.L.E. since he is on Ronsons label.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ga-eIzPM2U

W.A.L.E.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEoPEV0tdXs

Couldnt figure out embedding....Ballz

[greghead]

Damn Jack, you tore that kid up. Nice work.

[rage patton]

There's nothing wrong with calvin harris. He makes unpretentious electro pop songs. He's a kind of a milder version of Kissy Sell Out.

Assuming this PT knows more about him than his myspace page (which is a longshot), he's just mentioning him in a hipster front.

I watched the youtube video linked from the artist page on the main site... God awful shit. Sorry Josh, it just is.

I suggest you listen to more then. I Created Disco is a fun as hell album. As I said, its nothing amazing, but its fun. I suggest checking out the songs "Acceptable In The 80's" and "The Girls." Just a suggestion.

nope. sorry.
I doubt 4/5 people in the general public would know who Rilo Kiley or Panic at the Disco or Arctic Monkeys are so therefore they fail your pop test.

I agree with you about Rilo Kiley. But not about Panic At The Disco. Unfortunately, they are extremely famous and whether or people in general like them, everyone knows their name.

no fuck that. mark ronson blows.

This makes the entire thread at least 10 times funnier.

[xbnmx]

Buy a clue, you fucking hipsters

Hear hear. Now go continue to bog down he EDM threads with your mindless drivel about how they should all be playing "live" instead of DJing.

[jackstraw94086]

Hear hear. Now go continue to bog down he EDM threads with your mindless drivel about how they should all be playing "live" instead of DJing.

you're mixing me up with someone else. I've been claiming the "live" thing is overblown. I'd rather see someone conscienciously DJ than throw out a half-ass live set


And suppose I had been tauting "live" shit. That's not a hipster position. I'd call that more of a scenester thing. Get your terms straight.

And yeah those other EDM threads are so lively until I fuck em all up. Let's have 30 more threads about busy p and justice.

[xbnmx]

No, you just mixed up my message. I was insinuating that as soon as they were done calling him a mere cover act or whatever non-sense they'd start talking about how the DJs should be performing live. I am so happy that this Groove Armada tour is a dj set =)

[jackstraw94086]

No, you just mixed up my message. I was insinuating that as soon as they were done calling him a mere cover act or whatever non-sense they'd start talking about how the DJs should be performing live. I am so happy that this Groove Armada tour is a dj set =)

I find the notion of a groove armada "live" set offensive (unless tactfully set up to be indistinguishable from a DJ set).

[jackstraw94086]

btw, dude, Tipper, 2 hour uptempo breaks set, Temple, 5/10

[signmeup]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/wac206/man_in_the_mirror_front.jpg

and while jackstraws ranting i might as well throw in a:

Justice > Mark Ronson

just for kicks.

[Sonicifyouwantit]

I find the notion of a groove armada "live" set offensive (unless tactfully set up to be indistinguishable from a DJ set).

I saw groove armada live at hollywood bowl, it was anything but offensive.

[jackstraw94086]

I saw groove armada live at hollywood bowl, it was anything but offensive.

yer FACE is offensive!!!!!

[PassiveTheory]

I suggest you listen to more then. I Created Disco is a fun as hell album. As I said, its nothing amazing, but its fun. I suggest checking out the songs "Acceptable In The 80's" and "The Girls." Just a suggestion.

Yeah, no. The youtube vid I watched for "The Girls" was enough to make me never want to hear another Calvin Harris song as long as I live.

[jackstraw94086]

Yeah, no. The youtube vid I watched for "The Girls" was enough to make me never want to hear another Calvin Harris song as long as I live.

I have it on good authority that calvin harris has produced at least one or two songs other than The Girls.

What you don't get about the EDM world is that there is very often (almost always) a large disparity between what an even remotely commercially successful act gets known for in the general public and what their club show sounds like. To an extent this is true of almost any type of music, but it's extremely pronounced in EDM. You can't learn this shit on youtube and myspace.

[PassiveTheory]

That's obvious, Jack, you needn't look further than Daft Punk to establish that line of thought.

In the case of Calvin Harris, again, I just find that song so incredibly annoying that I don't want to listen to any other of his songs. I don't have a reason to listen to any more of his stuff, hence why I don't want to. There's PLENTY of EDM at Coachella this year, and I'm psyched for a lot of it (especially Friday and Sun; my time in the tent Sat. may be null due to Portishead/Kraftwerk), I just have no interest in EVER wanting to see Calvin Harris live, just like I'm sure you have no interest in ever wanting to see Panic at the Disco live.

[rage patton]

I get all the girls, I get all the girls. I get all the girls, I get all the girls.

[Sonicifyouwantit]

yer FACE is offensive!!!!!

for that you will have to watch m.i.a. 7 nights in a row and she shall be 35 min late to each night.

[dnham]

That's obvious, Jack, you needn't look further than Daft Punk to establish that line of thought.

In the case of Calvin Harris, again, I just find that song so incredibly annoying that I don't want to listen to any other of his songs. I don't have a reason to listen to any more of his stuff, hence why I don't want to. There's PLENTY of EDM at Coachella this year, and I'm psyched for a lot of it (especially Friday and Sun; my time in the tent Sat. may be null due to Portishead/Kraftwerk), I just have no interest in EVER wanting to see Calvin Harris live, just like I'm sure you have no interest in ever wanting to see Panic at the Disco live.

To listen to just one song and decide to completely decide that you will never hear that artist again is, in my opinion, doing an injustice to yourself and the artist. I give at least five listens to an album/song/whatever before I make a more refined opinion. Some artists take time before you actually realize how talented they are and how awesome the sound actually is. Listen to I Created Disco and if you feel you don't like it after a couple of listens, then you can resort back to your argument. I Created Disco is an amazzzingly fun album and I am totally checking out Harris' show at Coachella...provided there are no conflicts with other bands higher up on my scale.

[nationocean]

Nothing. He just stands off to the side and ponders "hey, what other good songs can I plunder and rape while riding Amy Winehouse's coattails?... Hmmm..."

awesome post!

:thu

[nationocean]

for that you will have to watch m.i.a. 7 nights in a row and she shall be 35 min late to each night.

another awesome post.. you guys are on a hot streak :)

but srsly, that bitch is always LATE!

[Norwalkguy]

Calvin Harris when described sounds like something i would like. Rock-Dance-Retro.. But i own the album and ive seen his live show and its just boring. Its like jock rock done dance style. If the sound of UK College kids. Its all about Girls and drinking . Hes not the worst thing on the planet just really contrived.


In terms of Groove armada, there one of my favorites of all time. And there DJ sets are incredible. Ill take a Dj set vs Live any day. Anyone who saw them in the Sahara in 01 or whatever year that was knows. Awesome stuff.


But isnt this a mark ronson thread? People hate him but i think hes great. I saw him at the El Rey in L.A. and it was phenomenal. Robbie Williams singing "The Only one i know" was seriously one of the most fuck yeah moments of my concert going year of 07'. I just think its gonna get increasingly hard for him to tour because he has so many diffrent singers he tours with. Will the guy from Phantom planet be there again? who knows. Point is if you like the album youll like the live show.

[M Sparks]

Am I right?

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[uniform72]

Everyone is so confused by Mark Ronson. There was popular music before cable television. Back in those days everyone wrote and played each other's songs. What the producer/conductor/band leader would bring to market is their "arrangement" of the song, often times being a multi-instrumentalist themselves. Is that any worse than what some people actually think is "original" these days? I like what he does and I think that Motown vibe is actually refreshing.

[greghead]

I just have no interest in EVER wanting to see Calvin Harris live, just like I'm sure you have no interest in ever wanting to see Panic at the Disco live.

Panic at the Disco is terrible, I don't think anybody would really want to see them live besides high school kids, and apparently you. Although, I guess it's forgivable since you practically are still in high school.

Calvin Harris should be a fun set. Expand your horizons, little one.

[PassiveTheory]

Panic at the Disco is terrible, I don't think anybody would really want to see them live besides high school kids, and apparently you. Although, I guess it's forgivable since you practically are still in high school.

Calvin Harris should be a fun set. Expand your horizons, little one.

High school kids, eh? Well, the usual run of the mill insult is "13 year old little girls", so that's definitely a step up!

[greghead]

Yeah, but high school kids pretty much are 13 year olds; not much difference in age, actions, or worldview

[shotglass75]

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