Coachella 08: Proving We're Pathetic Lightshow Monkeys

[thelastgreatman]

All you people talking about Roger Waters as having been a good performance have no respect for the actual music. That was an absolutely terrible, blasphemous recreation of some of the most beautiful music ever. It was just a bunch of fireballs and bright lights and a fucking sing-along.

We bailed after Eclipse and hauled our tripping asses to Justice and had Goldenvoice perform the best lightshow (with the spotlights, of course) I've ever seen. That set saved Sunday.

[whynotsmile99]

I thought they sounded amazing. How could you leave during Eclipse?!

[thelastgreatman]

They sounded horrible. Jesus Christ, I was on so much acid ANYTHING would have sounded good to me and even I could hear the complete inability of Waters OR the Gilmour replacement's ability to sing, and neither could play their fucking instruments either. Anything you heard that sounded like actual Pink Floyd was the drumming or the prerecorded audio tracks. There was no "music" being played on that stage.

[braundiggity]

see kids? don't do drugs. they make you crazy.

[thelastgreatman]

Whatever motherfucker, I was up there and there were no vocals to speak of and no guitar playing even remotely close to what was trying to be imitated. Waters just looked sad up there extending his arms out, making his big pleas for applause for doing a piss-poor re-enactment of music he wrote a long time ago. All there was was a bunch of smoke and flamethrowers and horseshit distractions to draw your attention way from how lame the actual music was.

[4Ransom]

im torn on this...this is why:

i saw youtube vids of exactly what randy is talking about: just watching sober from a musical perspective, i thought it sucked. i know youtubes arent always a good representation of a show, so ill take that into account, but it didnt sound that great to me.

that said, i thought they sounded amazing last night. granted, i was pretty fucked up, but it was mostly happy mdma shit related. i can see maybe tripppin on acid how you can trip on weird shit like that, but i thought it was a great performance. the one of th best parts was seeing that chick doing guitar solos on her violin. damn, it took me a while to figure that out, but once i did, my mind got blown even a little more than it was before that. all around, the show was epic though. and i thought it was great, but i still agree it proves we are light show monkeys. give me a pig and a prism refracting light at me, and im happy.

fuck...362 days left?

[BeeII]

see kids? don't do drugs. they make you crazy.

best.reply.ever.

and i thought it sounded great, but maybe it was the 2 hits of x i took

[faxman75]

That performance and sound blew away the same show I saw 1.5 years ago and that was great in itself. Honestly, from where I was standing, the entire show made me feel like I was right there and Roger is the master at orchestration. Way off base on this one Randy. Sunset My Morning Jacket into Dark Side = best trip ever.............game over. I was with two audio junkies who have are sound and recording people that couldn't stop talking about how good it was.

You are however entitled to your opinion and if your trip took you to Justice, more power to you, I saw a great one put on an absolutely amazing show.

[braundiggity]

I was sober, and it sounded stunning to me. Not just the performance itself, but the sound quality was the best I've ever heard at Coachella.

It also converted a couple of my non-Floyd fan friends. So there. Nanny nanny boo boo.

[4Ransom]

i think the main stage always has pretty epic sound. they have that shit dialed in...obviously there will always be glitches in something as big as this, but in general, every act ive seen at the main stage the last couple years has sounded amazing.

[Cheddar's Cousin]

Randy...Why do you continually insist upon me calling you an idiot?

[wmgaretjax]

I told you so.

[woogie846]

That surround sound was incredible.

[4Ransom]

That surround sound was incredible.

YES! i was just to the right of the soundboard, so i had those rear speakers right behind us, and those sound clips coming from behind were pretty awesome. when the first one happened, it sounded like a big sonic boom from overhead, and i thought a jet flew over or something, but then as it kept happening, i realized it was coming from the back speakers.

[microlovebeat]

randy......my god, you are so stupid. you sit here, for MONTHS, giving shit to anyone who talks of the slightest interest in skipping roger waters for someone else, and then you come on here, not even 24 hours after he's played, to say to went to see JUSTICE??????????????????







YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON, AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE SEEN YOU SO I COULD HAVE SLAPPED YOU FOR BEING SO FUCKING STUPID.



..................by the way, i didn't see roger waters.

[kitt kat]

We bailed after Eclipse and hauled our tripping asses to Justice and had Goldenvoice perform the best lightshow (with the spotlights, of course) I've ever seen. That set saved Sunday.

How about when the bright lights lit them from behind and put their shadows on the ceiling? Holy fucking shit.

[frozen pilgrim]

randy, usually I respect your opinion, but I think you've gotta just trust here that it was just your intoxicated perspetive on waters' show.

it was, both aurally and visually, just about flawless.


not trying to pick a fight, just saying, man. I'm as much of a hard-nosed prick about talent and musical intergrity as anyone on here, maybe more, but dude.
you're really just plain wrong this time.
I'm really sorry you missed out.
try NOT being fucked out of your skull next time.

[invisiblerobots]

Was he lip singing?

[Ciara Christine]

That surround sound was incredible.

i agree.

[paulb]

Roger Waters bad? I saw about 6 songs, and had to kick it to get a great place for Justice...that sucked....but Justice were fuckin unreal, and worth all the crushing at the very front...

[Sonicifyouwantit]

I dont know that surround sound was great

[Suffacated]

They sounded horrible. Jesus Christ, I was on so much acid ANYTHING would have sounded good to me

Some say that using lotsa drugs enhances ones personality.
If you start out as an asshole like Randy, after consuming large amounts of drugs you become a bigger asshole .... like Randy.

[instinct]

All you people talking about Roger Waters as having been a good performance have no respect for the actual music. That was an absolutely terrible, blasphemous recreation of some of the most beautiful music ever. It was just a bunch of fireballs and bright lights and a fucking sing-along.

We bailed after Eclipse and hauled our tripping asses to Justice and had Goldenvoice perform the best lightshow (with the spotlights, of course) I've ever seen. That set saved Sunday.



I must be an ass though. Sorry, I have no respect for actual music. What is wrong for praising a great stage, props and lighting? It seems like you dismiss this as if were nothing. Man, if you really thought Justice was better than waters.. you really have your head up your ass.

[crazzz2007]

Whatever motherfucker, I was up there and there were no vocals to speak of and no guitar playing even remotely close to what was trying to be imitated. Waters just looked sad up there extending his arms out, making his big pleas for applause for doing a piss-poor re-enactment of music he wrote a long time ago. All there was was a bunch of smoke and flamethrowers and horseshit distractions to draw your attention way from how lame the actual music was.

you are absolutely fucking crazy. you have no idea what you missed. that was the best sounding show i have ever heard at coachella.

[Lurker_in_a_tree]

if you take enough acid, your hearing is going to get distorted.

justice was fun, but come on, they're just djs. nothing groundbreaking about them. not hating, because I went to both Waters and Justice and had a great time, partied my ass off. but saying Justice was better than Waters is just about the dumbest thing I ever heard.

[Kali27]

Waters did have pretty distractions... (that 'wow, i'm on drugs really hard face' everyone was looking around with)... the pig and plane was cool... but so would anywhere else be if I was on the acid and molly I ate for this too... for all those people on your X that made you find it so wonderful, any fucking music is wonderful when you're rolling... that guitarist and his stupid facial expressions. they were hilarious and I still had a great trip but definitely do not regret leaving early to catch Justice's entire set... Justice KILLED Waters' set... Justice played so hard and with those spectacular, beautiful lights to just enhance that complete connection with whatever it is you connect with as an individual on a spiritual level... that was music you could truly FEEL... Roger Waters didn't go anywhere beneath the surface...

[humanoid]

I thought Roger Waters was pretty fucking good...he's old and has a raspy voice, but I thought the performance was tight.....

how did Justice brainwash so many people? I really like them, but was extremely unimpressed by their set......and I was rolling like crazy, and so in the mood to dance my ass off, but the set never got me going.....I don't know what amazing lights you guys are talking about, but I saw better visuals several times throughout the day in the Sahara

[Cpt. Funkaho]

Justice KILLED Waters' set... Justice played so hard and with those spectacular, beautiful lights to just enhance that complete connection with whatever it is you connect with as an individual on a spiritual level... that was music you could truly FEEL... Roger Waters didn't go anywhere beneath the surface...

The funny part of this statement: if you switch every instance of "Justice" and "Roger Waters", you have my opinion. In case anyone cares, I was stone cold sober (have to do a UA test for work in about a week, plus I feel like I should listen to the music that's being played for what it is, and drugs also fuck with my memory of a show in the long-term, which I don't like).

[PassiveTheory]

Is it possible to say that I loved both Waters' set and Justice's set in a way that makes both sets un-comparable to one another?

[instinct]

I thought Roger Waters was pretty fucking good...he's old and has a raspy voice, but I thought the performance was tight.....

how did Justice brainwash so many people? I really like them, but was extremely unimpressed by their set......and I was rolling like crazy, and so in the mood to dance my ass off, but the set never got me going.....I don't know what amazing lights you guys are talking about, but I saw better visuals several times throughout the day in the Sahara

Agreed. 100%.

I was not on drugs for Waters.. and his set was simply mind blowing to me. Justice rehashed their hits over and over and extended that shit until it was dead. Seriously, What crazy light show was there for Justice? I must have missed. It wasn't even moving heads.. Some Scanners and some Par Cans. It reminds me of like the light show at The Whiskey A Go Go.

[stinkbutt]

Oh this is classic

Pre Coachella Randy Ridin Waters nuts and hatin on Justice

Post Coachella Ridin French balls

It's funny to see someone's favorite hobby turn on them

[HAIRYGOOMBA]

I enjoyed Justice more last year...just couldn't wait to see Roger Waters
this year.
If I listen to something for a while, I can get into it.
I loved DSOTM-know it all by heart. I was absolutely enthralled!

If Waters hadn't been playing, I'd have wandered over to Justice for a longer time.
I'm old, I'm sober-I like lots of different stuff and feel so happy that it's all out there to enjoy.

[TonyWonder]

People love to throw around the term "melt my face" over any little shit but THE WALL WAS MELTING MY FUCKING FACE OFF. The sound was amazing. The violin on Another Brick in the Wall alone was mindblowing.

Missing DSOTM, The Wall and Comfortably Numb to get a spot for Justice = MASSIVE FAILURE ON AN EPIC SCALE

I saw all of Roger Waters and walked over to see plenty/most/enough of Justice. They were really good but hell, I though Deadmau5 earlier in the day was as good or better.

[CalmerThanYou]

TLGM - You sir, are fucking retarded.

[Kali27]

Did no one see the freaking spotlight show outside of the tent during Justice? That really did it for me.

[msklvr]

The spotlight shows were all night. Look up sometimes.

As far as TLGM goes, WHAT?!

There is such a thing as too many drugs.

I think you need some loco seeds to scare you straight.

[marooko]

i agree to an extent. but still wouldnt trade the experience for anything.

[Kali27]

The spotlight shows were all night. Look up sometimes.

Not like they were for Justice... that shit was set up to their music...

[crazzz2007]

Waters did have pretty distractions... (that 'wow, i'm on drugs really hard face' everyone was looking around with)... the pig and plane was cool... but so would anywhere else be if I was on the acid and molly I ate for this too... for all those people on your X that made you find it so wonderful, any fucking music is wonderful when you're rolling... that guitarist and his stupid facial expressions. they were hilarious and I still had a great trip but definitely do not regret leaving early to catch Justice's entire set... Justice KILLED Waters' set... Justice played so hard and with those spectacular, beautiful lights to just enhance that complete connection with whatever it is you connect with as an individual on a spiritual level... that was music you could truly FEEL... Roger Waters didn't go anywhere beneath the surface...

calling you an idiot would be letting you off too easy.

[crazzz2007]

Did no one see the freaking spotlight show outside of the tent during Justice? That really did it for me.

ya, they had that light show all 3 nights. it had nothing to do with justice.

[instinct]

Not like they were for Justice... that shit was set up to their music...

lol.. you just didn't pay attention.. they did it for Fatboy Slim and others..

[thelastgreatman]

Whatever, you dizzy fucking bitches, apparently if they pump people not playing their instruments worth half a shit through enough speakers with enough glowsticks waving in your face you'll clap for more.

The surround sound was really good. It made all that pathetic imitating of great music sound like it was way less embarassing than it really was. If you were paying attention though it was just sad.

[orbit]

so you are bitching because those people didn't play their instruments and you are impressed by spotlights on two french who don't even know how to mix and throw build ups throughout 90% of their set?

You people whining about Waters'set are fucking out of your mind.

[thelastgreatman]

They had the better lightshow. We are lightshow monkeys.

You EDM fags can be snobby or whatever about it as much as you want--I saw three other acts at the same fucking spot on the mainstage as I did Waters and they ALL did a better job of playing their fucking music as that show did. And I saw Aphex, Fatboy, and half a dozen other acts not do that good of a job of slamming the Sahara from the exact same spot.

[instinct]

They had the better lightshow. We are lightshow monkeys.

You EDM fags can be snobby or whatever about it as much as you want--I saw three other acts at the same fucking spot on the mainstage as I did Waters and they ALL did a better job of playing their fucking music as that show did. And I saw Aphex, Fatboy, and half a dozen other acts not do that good of a job of slamming the Sahara from the exact same spot.


Boys Noize and Modeselektor both tore Justice to pieces.

[thelastgreatman]

Look, you faggots all know how I feel about Justice. It wasn't a work of goddamn genius, but you know what? Most fucking dance music isn't. All this shit is fucking brainless. But bass + spotlights = owned.

[CalmerThanYou]

^ you were hating on justice the whole time pre-show, and howling about waters (both of which i love). eat shit.

on a personal note, i REALLY liked sasha and digweeds set. i was pleasantly surprised.

modeselektor, erol, and boys ripped my face off.

and you k now what? im not ashamed to admit that i had a blast at fatboyslim too.

[SecretPrescription]

thelastgreatman, you are truly a despicable internet personality

get over yourself and stop preaching such negativity all the time

life is too short

[summerkid]

All the things Randy said though are the reasons why I skipped out on Waters this time around. He's absolutely right Water's can barely sing let alone sing vocals that Gilmour sang 30 years ago. When I saw the show last summer I thought it was good, but it sure left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Kali27]

Oh, thank god someone else agrees...

[quicksand]

During the second song, some middle aged guy started walking away from the crowd, shaking his head saying, "This is not it."

[kingsblend420]

Even Roger Waters high tailed it to Justice.

[prettydirtything]

randy......my god, you are so stupid. you sit here, for MONTHS, giving shit to anyone who talks of the slightest interest in skipping roger waters for someone else, and then you come on here, not even 24 hours after he's played, to say to went to see JUSTICE??????????????????







YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON, AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE SEEN YOU SO I COULD HAVE SLAPPED YOU FOR BEING SO FUCKING STUPID.


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[thelastgreatman]

Sorry gang, but that was not what Pink Floyd music is supposed to sound like live. Not at all. It's just not, and it was sad, and it was disrespectful.

[Yablonowitz]

Sorry gang, but that was not what Pink Floyd music is supposed to sound like live. Not at all. It's just not, and it was sad, and it was disrespectful.

Sorry everyone. Randy just knows. He just does. I mean, he's Randy. He's 23, born after Pink Floyd was even around and he fuckin' KNOWS what the shit's SUPPOSED to sound like and none of us bitches have a fucking clue.

[canexplain]

i like the blue man group for their visuals .... music is just meh ... with waters i think you got not only great music, but great visuals .. best of both worlds ... bowie always had a spectacular show, visually some of the best, but when he did the thin white duke tour, it was all black and white, with only white lights .... it sort of was missing something after seeing the spider from mars tour or any of the other early shows .... nothing wrong with liking visuals ... this was a war we had in the 70's when people would knock bands like yes, elp, bowie, etc ... fuck the lights we only want music ... i like em both ....x****

[Suffacated]

Sorry everyone. Randy just knows. He just does. I mean, he's Randy. He's 23, born after Pink Floyd was even around and he fuckin' KNOWS what the shit's SUPPOSED to sound like and none of us bitches have a fucking clue.

This makes me feel very old.

[allyjoy]

Is it possible to say that I loved both Waters' set and Justice's set in a way that makes both sets un-comparable to one another?

No. LGM & Kali felt very strongly against Waters. I liked both, but the only performances that you can say were amazing and uncomparable was Saturday night's P^2. Those were epic performances that I still can't get over and never will. Justice was fun, Waters entertained me, but they both blew balls compared to Portishead & Prince.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

The funny part of this statement: if you switch every instance of "Justice" and "Roger Waters", you have my opinion. In case anyone cares, I was stone cold sober (have to do a UA test for work in about a week, plus I feel like I should listen to the music that's being played for what it is, and drugs also fuck with my memory of a show in the long-term, which I don't like).

Everything you just said is why I have never done any drugs...ever...I thought the Roger Waters show was amazing...fucking amazing....no it was the best "performance" of the weekend for me...that belongs to Portishead...but Roger had a SHOW...I thought it was fantastic...maybe because I have never seen it before but I still liked it...

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

Oh this is classic

Pre Coachella Randy Ridin Waters nuts and hatin on Justice

Post Coachella Ridin French balls

It's funny to see someone's favorite hobby turn on them

Maybe Randy got a bad batch of Acid...

[allyjoy]

Maybe Randy got a bad batch of Acid...

I had the same acid as randy... there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[JebusLives]

Well, I was sober (oops), right in front of the sound booth, and I can safely say that was the best-sounding concert i've ever heard. The light show was fun, and the music was not really better or worse than the album versions, but the sound was incredible. So I'm a pathetic surround-sound monkey, I guess.

[CalmerThanYou]

Sorry gang, but that was not what Pink Floyd music is supposed to sound like live. Not at all. It's just not, and it was sad, and it was disrespectful.

And you've seen Pink Floyd live?...

[canexplain]

And you've seen Pink Floyd live?...

ask me tomorrow cuz i have seen pf maybe 8-10 times plus waters and gilmore by themselves ... dont know if they will have a sound system close to what they had for an outdoor venue like coachella ... guess i will see in about 8 hours ...x****

[faxman75]

I had the same acid as randy... there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.


Word. I will also vouch for this.

[orbit]

He's absolutely right Water's can barely sing let alone sing vocals that Gilmour sang 30 years ago.

so Bob Dylan shows leave a bad taste in your mouth too? 'cuz, you know, he doesn't sing like 30 years ago.

[downingthief]

I saw Pink Floyd in 1994 (If Greg is correct, doing my math...that puts Randy at 9) and they did DSOTM as well. Had 4th row center seats. It was amazing.
I was really looking forward to seeing Waters do it. I was not disappointed. Was the guitarist as good as Gilmour? Of course not, but none of us should have expected that. But, to say he sucked is just ignorance. The violin on the solos in Comfortably Numb was simply brilliant. Glad he broke out Vera, too. Was not expecting that.

[allyjoy]

http://niftyken.stanford.edu/gallery/d/14443-2/ineptitude.jpg

[Yablonowitz]

I saw Pink Floyd in 1994 (If Greg is correct, doing my math...that puts Randy at 9) and they did DSOTM as well. Had 4th row center seats. It was amazing.
I was really looking forward to seeing Waters do it. I was not disappointed. Was the guitarist as good as Gilmour? Of course not, but none of us should have expected that. But, to say he sucked is just ignorance. The violin on the solos in Comfortably Numb was simply brilliant. Glad he broke out Vera, too. Was not expecting that.

You saw the Roger Water-less Pink Floyd if it was 1994, the bastardized Gilmour pseudo Floyd. (Not that there's anything wrong with that).

The guitar solos were played almost note-for-note the way Gilmour played them on the albums and I took that as a sign of respect for his contribution to the band. Nevertheless, it was more than just a going-through-the-motions performance. In fact, I think the performance demonstrated the timelessness of their music and I couldn't have been happier to be there.

[downingthief]

You saw the Roger Water-less Pink Floyd if it was 1994, the bastardized Gilmour pseudo Floyd. (Not that there's anything wrong with that).

The guitar solos were played almost note-for-note the way Gilmour played them on the albums and I took that as a sign of respect for his contribution to the band. Nevertheless, it was more than just a going-through-the-motions performance. In fact, I think the performance demonstrated the timelessness of their music and I couldn't have been happier to be there.

Yup, correct. I can now say I've seen all of the Floyd, just at different times.

I was reading somewhere that the guitarist either for this tour, or another Waters' tour, was saying that he didn't want to change anything on the solos because they were already perfect. Couldn't agree more.

[summerkid]

so Bob Dylan shows leave a bad taste in your mouth too? 'cuz, you know, he doesn't sing like 30 years ago.

I love bob dylan, but singing was never his strong suit, its just not what makes him a great artist. Gilmour on the other hand had a great voice. But I've never seen bob dylan live and I haven't heard too many good things about his recent concerts.

[paganman7]

Having opinions that are ALWAYS counter to the majority is just fucking played out. I thought most people would have learned that by the end of high school.

Just as you're not a revolutionary for being the only person on the planet holding the troops culpable for war atrocities rather than the people who sent them, you're not a revolutionary for being one of the very few who disliked Roger Waters and the only person who down right hated it. You need a new schtick homie.

[allyjoy]

Pagan, it's not a schtick. Randy really did not enjoy Waters. I disagree with his viewpoint, but I can see where he and a few others did not connect with the show. Not to mention there was the asshole who almost killed the first set for our entire group with his drunken off-key singing, and his not so subtle reminders that we were watching Pink Floyd. I will agree that DSOTM was not the best of the two sets, but I enjoyed Waters.

[Kali27]

Yes... and there were others of us who felt the same way... he is not alone on this one...

[JebusLives]

Yes... and there were others of us who felt the same way... he is not alone on this one...

is that partially maybe because he was bitching your ear off the whole time about how bad it was? He seems like the kind of guy who needs to be the center of attention at all times.

[allyjoy]

is that partially maybe because he was bitching your ear off the whole time about how bad it was? He seems like the kind of guy who needs to be the center of attention at all times.

you obviously do not know randy

[Blinken]

is that partially maybe because he was bitching your ear off the whole time about how bad it was? He seems like the kind of guy who needs to be the center of attention at all times.

Nope, he was quite the whole show, when we saw him at the camp the first words out his mouth were "I can't believe how wrong i was." I was just shocked, it seemed like we had seen two different shows.

[JebusLives]

you obviously do not know randy

Is he one of those "loud on paper" fellows, then? Cause he comes across as a self-important dick on this board. And I'm not just sore because he dissed Waters - opinions contrary to my own are perfectly fine, unless its just grandstanding for attention.

[Kali27]

you obviously do not know randy

People can be very misleading jebus...