the raconteurs vs the white stripes [Archive] - Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival Message Board

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 04:32 AM

nice, they played broken boy soldier tonight...

Gee, only took them a month to play the only fucking song where the frequencies of the guitar riff actually manages to drown out the parts of Jack's vocals that call to mind a roomful of small kittens screaming for help as giant pitbulls rape the fuck out of them.

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 04:35 AM

the white stripes

easily

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 04:37 AM

It is the Stripes, I suppose. They at least have four good songs, which beats the Raconteurs by a couple.

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 04:41 AM

they have way more than 4 good songs R.

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 04:58 AM

I'll take MGMT unless Jack decides to start making something like Dead Leaves or Seven Nation again, thanks. He can stuff that ringing on my doorbell shit up his completely untalented vocalist ass. Him and Billy Corgan should go hang out in the level of hell reserved for potentially great songwriters who insisted on being their own frontmen despite possessing voices like nails on chalkboard.

JSam67

05-28-2008, 05:19 AM

What the fuck, why you gotta rip on JW and Billy in the same post? And why can't you enjoy The Raconteurs, dammit? It's easily as frustrating as Salah not liking MGMT. Only The Raconteurs have one of the greatest breathing guitarists and (largely overlooked) a fucking phenomenal drummer in Patrick Keeler. Neither Billy nor Jack have great singing voices, it's an acquired taste...or not.

Btw, I voted Raconteurs. Stripes have a better body of work, but in 2 albums (and incredible live shows), The Raconteurs have surpassed them. I think Raconteurs and MMJ are the 2 best relevant American rock bands right now.

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 05:20 AM

Listen to Consolers again yesterday--sorry, it's nothing special.

JSam67

05-28-2008, 05:27 AM

You have cheated yourself by not seeing them live. You would have felt exactly the same way you did from MMJ. I liked Consolers...a lot...but it's so much better live. It's up there with Oracular and Third. Actually, Third might be in a class by itself.

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 06:18 AM

Homie, let it go. Jack gives me oggida. Screechy motherfucker. And Consolers doesn't exactly have the kind of sound that made MMJ translate so spectacularly live, sorry, don't see it being analagous.

HEADSTRUCK

05-28-2008, 06:39 AM

I'll take MGMT .
haha...you would take the only group that got a bad review(that i read in the la times) from coachella....

HEADSTRUCK

05-28-2008, 06:40 AM

i took the raconteurs for the fact jack has a band now.....

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 06:45 AM

Their performance was kinda mediocre there, sound sucked, dude can't sing. The album is vastly preferable to either of the Raconteurs albums as far as I'm concerned, despite its simplicity and gimmickery.

HEADSTRUCK

05-28-2008, 06:47 AM

so you would rather see a band that has a shitty live show then see one of the greatest live preformers of our time?

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 07:04 AM

I don't believe the question was specifically pertaining to seeing them in concert. But to answer your question, I'd like to see MGMT again with an ideal PA situation. The sound at The Echo was vastly better than Coach. Them having the resonance on all their instruments and mics is probably a big part of the problem, but the fucking sound system in the Mojave was squealing something terrible.

faxman75

05-28-2008, 07:21 AM

haha...you would take the only group that got a bad review(that i read in the la times) from coachella....

Why would anyone care about what the L.A. Times thought about a band? MGMT were actually quite great at Coachella. Saw them the week prior and they sucked ass and that was partly a sound issue. Despite what some critic says they had the entire fucking tent jumping up and down by the end of the set. Total fun.

Raconteurs are hit and miss IMO. I loved Broken Boy and really am bored with Consolers. I'll take the White Stripes FTW!

Randy, I found the sound for MGMT at Coachella to actually be quite great. In fact the other people I was with thought it was good too but it just goes to show you differing opinions. The week prior they sounded like total shit in the middle of an outdoor mall but I thought the sound at Coachella did them justice. lol.

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 07:24 AM

jigsaw

05-28-2008, 07:27 AM

Hard choice. I voted for The Raconteurs. I have seen them twice and the second time was fuckin’ great! I have never seen the Stripes so maybe I shouldn't have voted. : )

HEADSTRUCK

05-28-2008, 07:28 AM

[QUOTE=faxman75;629522]Why would anyone care about what the L.A. Times thought about a band? MGMT were actually quite great at Coachella. QUOTE]

i talked to a few kids that were very excited(before) then not so much (after). i have seen The Raconteurs a few times and they have been more then solid everytime. I guess i just demand a band to be good live EVERYTIME i see them and not here and there.

HEADSTRUCK

05-28-2008, 07:33 AM

And frankly I don't see where the fuck Jack gets credit for such brilliant guitar work. You're telling me Steady As She Goes is particularly more impressive than any of MGMT's shit? All sounds like simple pop chords.

Did you hear them play steady as she goes? Thats the great thing about them they CHANGED up songs to improve them. Changing their songs and having jack smash out solos are what would make him a great guitar player. they dont just play the studio album like most of the bands these days.

jigsaw

05-28-2008, 07:35 AM

You're telling me Steady As She Goes is particularly more impressive than any of MGMT's shit? All sounds like simple pop chords.

They jam that fuckin' song live.

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JSam67

05-28-2008, 07:38 AM

At least MGMT would play their best song if they had one that was so blatantly superior to the rest of their mediocre catalog, but they don't. They have like four songs that are all equally boss and then the rest are sorta boss. And frankly I don't see where the fuck Jack gets credit for such brilliant guitar work. You're telling me Steady As She Goes is particularly more impressive than any of MGMT's shit? All sounds like simple pop chords.

Have you seen their show? He slays. End of story. Not one friend of mine who has seen this band, regardless of prior opinion of them, has walked away without astonishment at how great they are, specifically Jack.

thelastgreatman

05-28-2008, 02:26 PM

If he slayed he would've been on top of Broken.

Sorry, but the dude is brutally overrated as a guitarist. And don't bring up solos, I fucking hate guitar solos.

JustSteve

05-28-2008, 04:27 PM

anyone ever looked at all the good live shit they have from npr??? look for "live concerts from all songs considered" in the npr podcast section...

boarderwoozel3

05-28-2008, 06:34 PM

I remember a pretty good Arcade Fire npr recording from NYC a while ago.

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 08:07 PM

MGMT suck

JSam67

05-28-2008, 08:36 PM

Sorry, but the dude is brutally overrated as a guitarist.

Terrible lie.

MGMT suck

Just because Randy has a ridiculously clouded opinion of a great band and great guitarist doesn't mean you can concoct lies, too.

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 08:38 PM

forgive me J, I don't like being a hater, but SOMEONE has to represent the other side of the MGMT spectrum

JSam67

05-28-2008, 08:41 PM

You not liking that CD absolutely blows my mind. It's ridiculous. But fair enough, you hate MGMT, Randy hates JW, you're both wrong. =)

greghead

05-28-2008, 08:47 PM

MGMT is terrible

Jack White has massive guitar chops. His phrasing is brilliant, as is his tone.

White Stripes over Raconteurs, easily. One is groundbreaking, and the other is solid top-40 rock.

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 08:59 PM

greghead, this last post proves that we can be great fucking friends. it's been a party of one over here on the MGMT bashing let me tell you

and what you say about the stripes and j.white is pure unfiltered truth

is your name greg? they call me Salah

JSam67

05-28-2008, 09:07 PM

Raconteurs are solid top-40 rock? Check yourself. One more album and more epic shows and more people than just myself will be equating them to MMJ as the class of current American rock bands.

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 09:09 PM

i wish you had seen the white stripes live Josh.

and don't you mean TOP YOURSELF

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 09:14 PM

no love for get behind me satan OR icky thump?

sbessiso

05-28-2008, 09:23 PM

I can feel that. get behind me satan is easily the most of their records that's an aquired taste, and definetly not the one you shoiw to a person who hasnt really heard them.

I do love icky thump though, the title track, you dont know what love is, 300 MPH..., conquest, little cream soda (oh well! oh well!), fucking rag and bone and i'm slowly turning into you

BlackSwan

05-28-2008, 09:29 PM

In the studio: White Stripes
Live: The Raconteurs

JSam67

05-28-2008, 10:53 PM

The White Stripes blow the Racs out of the water. Although Jack White's songwriting has gone to shit judging by the last two Stripes records. If you'd cut the fat out and combined them into one, then you'd have an OK album. His earlier shit fucking kills though. Everything up until after Elephant. Good songwriting, rhythm, killer voice. They were one of the best live bands on the planet when I saw them. I do hate it though when people say he is a spectacular guitarist. He's good, but most of the time he doesn't know what he's doing on the guitar technically. Especially now that he doesn't put effort into his singing or guitar playing like he used to. I read an NME show review where they said he busted out a Jimi Hendrix-esque solo and were basically blowing him. Shit's ridiculous. He was good at a certain point, but I think he lost it somewhat.

How can you say he's lost anything? I don't know how anyone who has seen this man fuck his guitar on stage can have the opinion that he isn't amazing. I've seen him twice in the past 3 years and each time his performance was one of the most memorable of each festival.

summerkid

05-28-2008, 11:58 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Get Behind Me Satan is a great album and the only reason why its judged so harshly is because its the follow up to Elephant and people were expecting another guitar heavy album and instead got a bunch of country tinged piano ballads.

sbessiso

05-29-2008, 12:00 AM

i really do like GBMS, it just took me some time to throughly appreciate it, plus when i saw them in south carolina, he did my doorbell but on guitar and it fucking rocked

paulb

05-29-2008, 12:09 AM

white stripes

thelastgreatman

05-29-2008, 03:28 AM

So wait, is Hotel Yorba on the Coach DVD an accurate picture of a White Stripes show?

sbessiso

05-29-2008, 05:06 AM

I have not seen the DVD, so I cannot answer, but I can't believe thats the song they have on the there

Cheddar's Cousin

05-29-2008, 04:01 PM

It is the Stripes, I suppose. They at least have four good songs, which beats the Raconteurs by a couple.

Idiot!

Cheddar's Cousin

05-29-2008, 04:13 PM

Watching Under Blackpool Lights will answer this question definitively.

White Stripes!

greghead

05-30-2008, 01:16 AM

greghead

05-30-2008, 01:20 AM

Raconteurs are solid top-40 rock? Check yourself. One more album and more epic shows and more people than just myself will be equating them to MMJ as the class of current American rock bands.

Well, you should check the chart peaks of both albums and all their singles; you'll see what I mean.

I like the Raconteurs, but MMJ blows them out of the water, both live and in the studio

sbessiso

05-30-2008, 03:18 AM

those white stripes videos are awesome, that Jack White is gone in a way, they were still really Detroit-like, Jack still smoked, he was just a different person back in 01

and fuck yeah, i love my under blackpool lights dvd

p.s.- i tried listening to the new coldplay song, its ALRIGHT, but its not even as catchy as their other lead singles, at the very least the songs were catchy as hell

RotationSlimWang

05-31-2008, 03:51 PM

You're certainly a big gaggle of tuneless monkeys who don't care whether lyrics mean anything. Good for you--if we keep our standards low, the overall quantity of excellent music will keep going up.

sbessiso

05-31-2008, 06:16 PM

you're beyond ridiculous

with the kills

05-31-2008, 10:09 PM

neither the greenhornes are better

sbessiso

06-01-2008, 02:35 AM

get the fuck out of here!

Ardentbiscuit

06-01-2008, 07:00 AM

I remember they played this cover at the Wiltern...their first time around.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xhGnuHuD5Fc

thatfinkleygirl

06-01-2008, 08:50 PM

It's all about The White Stripes.
The Raconteurs are alright but they don't even come close sonically or lyrically.

bakersfield

06-01-2008, 11:29 PM

In the studio: White Stripes
Live: The Raconteurs

You may have nailed it....

zenidogx

06-02-2008, 02:59 PM

the Raconteurs are a much better band.

but the noise the White Stripes create is much better music.

mvanwinkle

08-07-2008, 09:41 AM

rage patton

08-07-2008, 09:59 AM

Hey Mark! Haven't seen you around here in a while. Hows it goin?

jigsaw

08-07-2008, 12:54 PM

i purposely have been avoiding live raconteurs from coachella because i was so bummed at myself for missing them to see aphex. that was my worst decision of the weekend

Well I think the Racs will be around for many years to come.

Here is some more of what you missed.
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Memorial_07

08-07-2008, 01:40 PM

never listened to raconteurs...only the white stripes...
i think i'll have to go with them

mvanwinkle

08-07-2008, 05:44 PM

Hey Mark! Haven't seen you around here in a while. Hows it goin?

hey josh, ya i have been taking a break had not been on here for over a month. ha. trying to catch up on what ive missed, getting ready for outside lands.

the choice cat

01-31-2010, 06:53 PM

i remember seeing a live dvd of them playing an opera house in brazil awhile back on mtv or mtv2, and it was pretty damn good from what I remember you guys should check it out. Supposedly they were the first rock act to ever play that venue. but i feel like the white stripes are definitely more of a treat to listen to than raconteurs.