GV doing itself a disservice

[ShyGuy75]

for a few reasons.

- Moving the festival up two weeks but not moving the lineup announcement/ticket sales up. I think it is actually later now than last year, which means that they will lose approximately 3 weeks of ticket sales. With bonaroo already having presale tickets collected on, I didn't think GV would risk the course of action that they have taken. Lets face it, Roo is in direct competition with Coachella as far as US festivals go (Lolla will always be a huge money maker b/c of the location, so it competes with nobody). Roo struck first and struck hard. Anyone who was at coachella last year knows how down the crowds were. Can they afford a worse turnout? By going about business as they have, isn't it inevitable (unless Radiohead plays)? It seems to me that they are putting the future of the festival in jeopardy by being so lax about things. Yes, its the LA/hipster way, but we are talking about Coachella here. Not something I like to see toyed with in hipster fashion. IF (big) something were to go wrong, I would place blame on them before I would blame the economy.

- Not giving a specific date as to when the lineup will be out or specifics on the tickets. Yes, I like to watch the masses freak out, hang on every word, and get false hope up every hour too. But from a business perspective, letting people know the exact day of the lineup gives people something to look forward to, target, and budget for if needed. If they are doing it because they are still trying to book bands, that is not a good sign either. At worse, just add the few hold outs as you go. Happens every year anyway.

:2c

cheers

[slurpee]

Nice post & emoticon.

[menikmati]

This is what? Their 10th time doing the festival? I think they have it under control and know what they're doing pal...

[cubrocker]

maybe you should submit an application.

[johnnypolite]

Maybe they're counting on a quick sellout like in 2007...

[Tylerdurden31]

Roo struck first and struck hard.

how did that happen?

[shotglass75]

I do have to agree that it is a pretty dickish move on GV's part to the fans by not at least giving us a date to when the lineup will be released.

Another thought is that one of these years Coachella might very well have to take a year off and re-tool things if ticket sales suck and don't improve. Glastonbury has done it, shit even Coachella had to do it in the past. Could you imagine a year without Coachella. Scary.

I think 2007 sold out immediately because of RAGE. It won't happen again unless there is a huge act like that again.

[TheBoneyKingofNowhere]

people are just saying stuff like this cause they are pissed they don't have the lineup yet, and still have to worry and save money for when the tickets come out...

Coachella is an amazing festival and always has and always will be. No matter what the lineup is, Coachella fans, and new ones are going to go.

I'll see you on the polo fields.

[psychic friend]

ya you pegged us. We're holding out just to be dickish.

haha. that's awesome.

[menikmati]

dumb dumb dumb dumb

[menikmati]

and guess what?

mpGN0RWdJ9c

[magmazing]

Goldenvoice should at least allow some of the signed small to mid tier bands to be leaked or get them to add Coachella as a tour date on their websites/myspace/etc. The fact that 95% of the bands we have listed around here are pure speculation at this point is bizarre. Sasquatch has 2 website confirmations on bands and they don't officially release their lineup until next month!

[shotglass75]

ya you pegged us. We're holding out just to be dickish.

haha. that's awesome.

Holding out on releasing the lineup is one thing. Holding out on releasing when the lineup will be released is another.

[psychic friend]

not if it keeps changing Einstein

[SFChrissy]

come on...we get mind fucked every year...get over it we all love it either way!!!

[ShyGuy75]

if people think my line of reasoning is dumb, please state why you think so, backed up with coherant sentences. it would make you look more credible than just stating "dumb" or blanketly dismissing the logical business points that have been made.

roo struck hard and fast by putting presale tickets on sale already and offering them on a layaway plan. they also have set the date of their lineup. you know, operating like normal business's operate.

i have no doubt that GV knows what they are doing for the most part. Just concerned at the potential outcome of their decisions. no need to get overly upset.

[westcoastpirate]

GV is holding out because they want to make sure you're sitting down before they tell you who is headlining

[menikmati]

Have you ever thought that just MAYBE there are certain things that could change and disrupt GV's plans for let's say an announced date for the lineup? What happens if GV says lineup comes out on said date, then something happens that pushes it back and GV then announces that? People will get pissed off and blame GV. So either way, you people are gonna blame GV and say they're "dickish" for not giving you what you want. You people cannot be pleased.

[shotglass75]

not if it keeps changing Einstein


YES!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!! FINALLY SOMETHING SAID ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON OVER THERE!!!!! :)

But shouldn't you guys have your shit together by now? :)

[menikmati]

roo struck hard and fast by putting presale tickets on sale already and offering them on a layaway plan. they also have set the date of their lineup. you know, operating like normal business's operate.
You call that "striking hard"? All they did was offer a few presale tickets. Big deal....their lineup usually comes after Coachella and their ticket on sale date comes out after as well....so your theory there fails. Moving on....

[Lurker_in_a_tree]

PF, GV is not being dickish for holding back the lineup which is beyond their control, but acting like we're assholes for wanting to know even the slightest bit of info is another story.

[shotglass75]

Have you ever thought that just MAYBE there are certain things that could change and disrupt GV's plans for let's say an announced date for the lineup? What happens if GV says lineup comes out on said date, then something happens that pushes it back and GV then announces that? People will get pissed off and blame GV. So either way, you people are gonna blame GV and say they're "dickish" for not giving you what you want. You people cannot be pleased.

That's all well and good but if every other single corporation that runs major music festivals can set a date and meet their deadline, why can't Goldenvoice? it is a simple question. It seems like all of the things that you have stated could happen to any of the major festival promoters yet they all seem to be able to release information well in advance.

[menikmati]

Coachella is grass roots....fuck the big business/corporate side of it right? They do what they wanna do, and excel at it.

[shotglass75]

You call that "striking hard"? All they did was offer a few presale tickets. Big deal....their lineup usually comes after Coachella and their ticket on sale date comes out after as well....so your theory there fails. Moving on....

Um... Bonnaroo is 2 months after Coachella so your timeline is worth shit. They are still able to release a lineup deadline and put presale tickets out there in DECEMBER. And if Goldenvoice did this all of you would be going ape shit at the fact that you got your tickets already and would praise Goldenvoice for doing it.

And why doesn't Goldenvoice do that? What is the reasoning to NOT offering tickets in advance before the lineup. i know that they don't have to, but why wouldn't they?

[ShyGuy75]

my theory fails?

you have shown to have zero business sense.

some people plan in advance, and choose one festival over another. when one festival comes out early and offers pre sale discounted layaway tickets, yes, it matters. you not being able to admit this makes you come off as a homer.

coachella is the premier festival for bands to play imo. i would think it would take one phone call asking if they want to play coachella to get something done. the headliners are a different story, but i would also think that the headliners are worked on/signed well in advance of todays date.

move on if you cannot have a simple, adult conversation about business logic. maybe take a class or get a job so you know how the real world works?

to correct an earlier statement, i don't think glastonbury has taken a year off because of financial reasons in quite some time. i know they take a year off every five to let the land heal. i could be mistaken on that, but would be surprised if that is true.

[M Sparks]

They have to at least make sure the top few lines are set in stone. Look how people freaked out about Madness.

I don't have any experience with Bonnaroo, but Supafly did an awful job with the last Vegoose, at least from a customer satisfaction POV.

-They put out a "preliminary" list of acts, with no indication of who was playing which day, along with the promise of "more to come". Then they started selling non-refundable 2 day passes.

-SOMEONE leaked some of the "more to come" to the sponsors, to the point that radio stations had graphics on their website announcing Kraftwerk and Modest Mouse.

-Much later, they announced who was playing which day, and put single day passes on sale. Schedule was lopsided, with many more acts on Saturday than Sunday. Still promised "more to come".

-Finally added a few minor acts (Infected Mushroom was the biggest). Oddly, most were added to Saturday, making it more lopsided. Still promised "more to come".

-Quietly pulled the "more to come" from the website at the last minute. Leaked acts never materialized.

To top it off, they changed the main venue at some point, but never really announced it. They just released a festival map and the venue wasn't on it.

The lineup WAS great (if incredibly thin), but the way they handled it pissed a lot of people off. I'd rather have GV take their time and get it as complete as possible.

[ShyGuy75]

Coachella is grass roots....fuck the big business/corporate side of it right?

ok, NOW you have shown you are clueless about what you are speaking on with respects to the business side of music/festivals. Thank you.

[picks up chair]

Concerning the lineup being released, ticket sales and their on-sale date: in '04 the "initial lineup" was released ~Feb 1 (http://www.greenplastic.com/news/archives/2004/01/coachella-websi.php) on the Coachella homepage. The pre-sale started February 7 (http://www.greenplastic.com/news/archives/2004/02/updated-waste-t.php). I believe sales were decent that year.

[shotglass75]

Concerning the lineup being released, ticket sales and their on-sale date: in '04 the "initial lineup" was released ~Feb 1 (http://www.greenplastic.com/news/archives/2004/01/coachella-websi.php) on the Coachella homepage. The pre-sale started February 7 (http://www.greenplastic.com/news/archives/2004/02/updated-waste-t.php). I believe sales were decent that year.

They also had Radiohead and The Pixies and the fest was I think the last week of April first week of May

And ShyGuy, Glasto hasn't taken off for financial reasons, you are right. They did want to let the land heal but they also wanted to retool some things to get the fest running better.

[ShyGuy75]

radiohead and the pixies will do that. we have already covered this in the first post of the thread. thanks for contributing.

[M Sparks]

people are just saying stuff like this cause they are pissed they don't have the lineup yet, and still have to worry and save money for when the tickets come out...

How does DELAYING things keep people from saving money for tickets? They can save their money, and if they don't want to go, WHOOHOO extra money!

If tickets just suddenly appeared in December, people would cry about that, too.

[psychic friend]

Ya im not sure why this is such a convoluted topic for debate. This is the music industry and things plain don't make sense. If you worked here you'd be like "OOOOHHHH ok, NOW I get it". But we can't sit and give you a play by play on every decision and why.

really really sorry with puppies and kittens on top :(

[menikmati]

my theory fails?

you have shown to have zero business sense.

some people plan in advance, and choose one festival over another. when one festival comes out early and offers pre sale discounted layaway tickets, yes, it matters. you not being able to admit this makes you come off as a homer.

Right, so apply the same logic to the date regular tickets on sale and the lineup is announced then.....by your argument, Coachella would have the advantage then for 2-3 weeks or however long since their lineup is announced first and their onsale ticket date occurs first. Personally if you ask me, the presale tickets are really only appealing to people who would be going regardless, sort of a "thank you - here you go" type thing....maybe a very small percentage would be first time buyers/people on the fence about going. So offering presale tickets months in advance, a week in advance, or not at all has no huge impact I think.

The people who are on the fence about going and only picking one destination festival to attend will be swayed by the lineup and normal ticket price, which again according to your earlier logic, gives Coachella the advantage since they announce first.

So what's the problem?

move on if you cannot have a simple, adult conversation about business logic. maybe take a class or get a job so you know how the real world works?
I'm not the one throwing a hissy fit and crying because GV isn't giving me what I want...or yet better, claiming to know how GV can run a better festival, when they've been at the top of their game for 10 years now.

[menikmati]

ok, NOW you have shown you are clueless about what you are speaking on with respects to the business side of music/festivals. Thank you.

Way to pick up on sarcasm....how many cookies do you want now? You're on such a roll today!

[M Sparks]

What is the reasoning to NOT offering tickets in advance before the lineup. i know that they don't have to, but why wouldn't they?

This is actually a good point, but maybe it's because they pretty much have to offer them at a discount or very few will bother to buy. Maybe they'd rather just have everyone pay full price, than get some bucks in advance.

[Bosco]

Is there going to be another APW festival?

[shotglass75]

Ya im not sure why this is such a convoluted topic for debate. This is the music industry and things plain don't make sense. If you worked here you'd be like "OOOOHHHH ok, NOW I get it". But we can't sit and give you a play by play on every decision and why.

really really sorry with puppies and kittens on top :(

No need for attitude PF, we're just having a discussion. My apologies for using "dickish". It kinda set a bad tone. Anyways could you please get me a job with Goldenvoice then:) i'm a video editor with an extensive (but obvious uninformed) knowledge of the music business.

I think people make it a big deal because some people have to decide on Coachella or Bonnaroo or things like that. Where to spend their money? If Bonnaroo released the lineup prior to Coachella I think Coachella would lose some people in ticket sales

[shotglass75]

This is actually a good point, but maybe it's because they pretty much have to offer them at a discount or very few will bother to buy. Maybe they'd rather just have everyone pay full price, than get some bucks in advance.

GREEDY BASTARDS!!!!!! :)

Bosco love the Avatar

[psychic friend]

No need for attitude PF

There was no attitude intended. i think you're reading it wrong. I was apologizing for not being able to give a play by play on our every move and trying to soften it up with puppies and kittens.

PUPPIES AND KITTENS

ok

[corsair]

i would have just assumed that the reason, much to our dismay, that they are "lax" in announcing a line-up or date is perhaps not all things are settled yet. which if it needs a few extra days to sort out all the legal issues and crap in respect to the artists than so be it. we will have our line-up. to me it is a benefit to allow those whom have not been able to get their shit together a few more to days to gather their money and book their hotel or make other arrangements. i know we are all anxious and perhaps have all permanently placed a groove into our cushions by now with all the waiting, but considering how well the economy is not doing right now i'd rather GV handle what needs to be handled now, as opposed to just dumping crap on us and expect an obedient return.

[amyzzz]

pics plz

[psycobetabuckdown]

Why can't they just sign a fucking contract by December? They only thing I can think of is that they're being cheap bastards and not paying The Smiths the money they want.

[psychic friend]

http://www.adiestramientocanino.com/articulos/test%20campbell/puppie.jpg

[lowfront]

Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and hang out with their girl or somthing.

The lineup will be announced at some point

relax.....

[psychic friend]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/2105116288_131af15b47.jpg

[Boourns]

Why can't they just sign a fucking contract by December? They only thing I can think of is that they're being cheap bastards and not paying The Smiths the money they want.

The Smiths are playing for free. But all food vendors must be approved by PETA.

[Shonky]

To be honest if they are not having huge headliners in order to save money, then how can they charge the same price for tickets as previous years when they did? Thats what we're paying for surely and if we're not getting it then they're ripping us off.

[Blinken]

To be honest if they are not having huge headliners in order to save money, then how can they charge the same price for tickets as previous years when they did? Thats what we're paying for surely and if we're not getting it then they're ripping us off.

If you don't think the lineup is worth it then don't buy the ticket. It's as simple as that.

[psychic friend]

do the math

[ShyGuy75]

*damn sarcasm detector is broke again*

menik, nobody is throwing a hissy fit here besides of you. you need to not get so upset by having a simple discussion. i am one who would buy a ticket to coachella without seeing the lineup. this isn't about me. its about sustaining the future of the festival.

"Coachella would have the advantage then for 2-3 weeks or however long since their lineup is announced first and their onsale ticket date occurs first."

Did you miss the part about roo already selling presale tickets on layaway or are you choosing to dismiss that fact to shape your point of view? did you miss the part about the length of time you have to make the decision on which festival to go to?

"So what's the problem?"

hopefully, there is no problem. the issue is losing three weeks of ticket sales (see my first post). if you can't comprehend or grasp that fact, there is really no need to continue coming up with these logically incorrect scenarios.

pf, thank you for the puppies and your input. gifts such as that always brighten my day.

[bobert]

ya you pegged us. We're holding out just to be dickish.

haha. that's awesome.

It's the LA Hipster way. PLUR...

[ShyGuy75]

To be honest if they are not having huge headliners in order to save money, then how can they charge the same price for tickets as previous years when they did? Thats what we're paying for surely and if we're not getting it then they're ripping us off.


stop buying into the whole "budgetchella" thing. only pre-teens do such things.

[Shonky]

Im happy paying for it as long as there are good headliners and other artists but if there aren't and they are charging the same then I think that's unfair. Thats all, people will always pay anyway I suppose (including me) so they will never cut the price down. Not complaining just commenting.

[Boourns]

Budgetchella is bullshit. Pulp is getting $1 million and they aren't even headlining.

It cost $15 million to resurrect the dead Beatles.

[corsair]

what if the reason they are not in a hurry to release the lineup is because they are not worried?

why try to frantically squeeze in an extra month's worth of ticket sales that wouldn't add up to make much more of a difference when the final outcome would exceed/equal the same result anyway.

if i were to see the lineup released in say decemeber or november then i would be worried to the point of disbelief that something wrong was happening or going on with those whom orchestrate this wonderful festival.

wasn't '07 at the end of the month as well?

[tigermilkboy]

I do have to agree that it is a pretty dickish move on GV's part to the fans by not at least giving us a date to when the lineup will be released.

Another thought is that one of these years Coachella might very well have to take a year off and re-tool things if ticket sales suck and don't improve. Glastonbury has done it, shit even Coachella had to do it in the past. Could you imagine a year without Coachella. Scary.

I think 2007 sold out immediately because of RAGE. It won't happen again unless there is a huge act like that again.

Glastonbury takes a year off when the owner of Pilton Farm/Glastonbury wants to let his fields go fallow. Michael Eavis always says his bread and butter business is farming and the Glastonbury Festival is his hobby-he also makes no money off the festival personally, if the festival makes money it is divided amongst several charities.

I do agree that GV has a tougher job selling Coachella this year due to a tanking economy. The hardcore will always turn out it is the 20,000 or so casual festival goers that make the event profitable. 13 weeks or so is pushing it to sell-out. Even my thoughts are turning to something else-like I can fly to Europe for the cost of a Coachella ticket. GV should sell tickets very early(like after every coachella) that way people like me will be committed to going and not thinking about little Euro adventures.

[psycobetabuckdown]

Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and hang out with their girl or somthing.

The lineup will be announced at some point

relax.....

my girl is in israel...that's the only reason i am even wasting my time thinking about the lineup.:nono

[psycobetabuckdown]

To be honest if they are not having huge headliners in order to save money, then how can they charge the same price for tickets as previous years when they did? Thats what we're paying for surely and if we're not getting it then they're ripping us off.

exactly! i was saying that in the scooper thread!

edit: btw, dani just confirmed that they're going to have huge headliners, for anyone who didn't catch on

[shotglass75]

There was no attitude intended. i think you're reading it wrong. I was apologizing for not being able to give a play by play on our every move and trying to soften it up with puppies and kittens.

PUPPIES AND KITTENS

ok

All's Good!!!
http://www.cornerstonevetclinic.evetsites.net/sites/site-2545/images/Felines/truth_about_cats_and_dogs_i.jpg

And I do have this sinking suspicion that the headliners are going to be anything but sub-par. I actually think that they might go bigger this year than last.

[menikmati]

*damn sarcasm detector is broke again*

menik, nobody is throwing a hissy fit here besides of you. you need to not get so upset by having a simple discussion. i am one who would buy a ticket to coachella without seeing the lineup. this isn't about me. its about sustaining the future of the festival.

"Coachella would have the advantage then for 2-3 weeks or however long since their lineup is announced first and their onsale ticket date occurs first."

Did you miss the part about roo already selling presale tickets on layaway or are you choosing to dismiss that fact to shape your point of view? did you miss the part about the length of time you have to make the decision on which festival to go to?

"So what's the problem?"

hopefully, there is no problem. the issue is losing three weeks of ticket sales (see my first post). if you can't comprehend or grasp that fact, there is really no need to continue coming up with these logically incorrect scenarios.

pf, thank you for the puppies and your input. gifts such as that always brighten my day.

You're ignoring everything I'm saying....I stated that I think presale tickets are mainly for people who already had plans to attend that said festival. This is common sense speaking, but I would assume at least 90% of presale tickets sold (whether it's Bonnaroo or Coachella) are to those people who would be going/buying tickets regardless of a presale or not.

So we're talking about people on the fence of what festival to goto....you're acting like Bonnaroo has a leg up on Coachella somehow regarding this group of people. How exactly? You're logic applied to Roo's presale tickets, which I already stated appealed to the group who were already attending Bonnaroo regardless (it would work the same way if it was Coachella that was offering presale)...you're saying whoever gets their ticket and lineup out first has the advantage...which in the case for the group of people who are on the fence about which festival to attend, Coachella would seemingly have the advantage according to you. You make no sense.

[Bosco]

Is there going to be another APW festival?


also, I'm amazed that Stagecoach festival has a lineup for over a month now and the only detail we have for Coachella is the dates.

There must be a hell of a lot of prima donnas in the rock industry , and or, the country industry is compiled of a bunch of easy lushes.

[shotglass75]

Morrisey needs to find the right product for his hair so it doesn't fall flat in the Coachella heat.

[skavenbrew]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/2105116288_131af15b47.jpg


they look like dead kitties... that's creepy.

[shotglass75]

http://iblyszael.org/amir/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/1945663775_9aa8b56aec.jpg

[ShyGuy75]

I'm not ignoring anything, menik. You are ignoring the fact that there will be approximately three less weeks of ticket sales for Coachella, which was the main point of my first post.

Presale tickets matter to the bottom line and sway more people, peoples friends, etc. than you think. One cannot simply toss this point aside as if it doesn't matter to the discussion.

Why do I think Roo has a leg up on Coachella right now? I clearly listed my reasons in the previous posts. Presales, firmed dates, longer time to decide on tickets, already released layaway plans. If I wanted to, I could also argue for them going all night, being more centrally located for most everyone in the US, being named the best festival by various outlets, cheaper (i think?) etc. But this was not meant to be a pissing match thread with roo v. coachella. Its about the logic that goes into these business decisions being made today by GV that effect the future of this festival.

I make perfect sense. You can choose to distort these facts of the situation to fit whichever bias you may have. Its ok, its human nature.

[skavenbrew]

even creepier.......

[chairmenmeow47]

barrel of dead cats picture

cross your fingers you don't get banned.

[ShyGuy75]

I do agree that GV has a tougher job selling Coachella this year due to a tanking economy. The hardcore will always turn out it is the 20,000 or so casual festival goers that make the event profitable. 13 weeks or so is pushing it to sell-out. Even my thoughts are turning to something else-like I can fly to Europe for the cost of a Coachella ticket. GV should sell tickets very early(like after every coachella) that way people like me will be committed to going and not thinking about little Euro adventures.

exhibit A

[sbessiso]

Morrisey needs to find the right product for his hair so it doesn't fall flat in the Coachella heat.

This is hilarious. And so very true

[Pixiessp]

and guess what?

mpGN0RWdJ9c

I knew it before I even hit play. :)

[shotglass75]

cross your fingers you don't get banned.

if that will get me banned please give me a warning first. I have seen waaaaay worse on these boards.

[wunderbrad55]

for a few reasons.

- Moving the festival up two weeks but not moving the lineup announcement/ticket sales up. I think it is actually later now than last year, which means that they will lose approximately 3 weeks of ticket sales. With bonaroo already having presale tickets collected on, I didn't think GV would risk the course of action that they have taken. Lets face it, Roo is in direct competition with Coachella as far as US festivals go (Lolla will always be a huge money maker b/c of the location, so it competes with nobody). Roo struck first and struck hard. Anyone who was at coachella last year knows how down the crowds were. Can they afford a worse turnout? By going about business as they have, isn't it inevitable (unless Radiohead plays)? It seems to me that they are putting the future of the festival in jeopardy by being so lax about things. Yes, its the LA/hipster way, but we are talking about Coachella here. Not something I like to see toyed with in hipster fashion. IF (big) something were to go wrong, I would place blame on them before I would blame the economy.

- Not giving a specific date as to when the lineup will be out or specifics on the tickets. Yes, I like to watch the masses freak out, hang on every word, and get false hope up every hour too. But from a business perspective, letting people know the exact day of the lineup gives people something to look forward to, target, and budget for if needed. If they are doing it because they are still trying to book bands, that is not a good sign either. At worse, just add the few hold outs as you go. Happens every year anyway.

:2c

cheers


B35rYEkYgvs

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

exactly! i was saying that in the scooper thread!

edit: btw, dani just confirmed that they're going to have huge headliners, for anyone who didn't catch on

How did you deduct that one? Because I didn't.

[BrettShipes]

I think that the premise of this thread is flawed.

Dani already said that it gets released when it does. She also pretty much said that it keeps changing. There are a LOT of bands to schedule, they probably need confirmations or negotiations with managers or what have you or making scheduling arrangements. I'm sure GV would like to avoid something like a Madness mix up from happening again and that stuff takes time to do.

So just sit tight and don't go blaming hard working people for not doing their awesome job fast enough.

[psycobetabuckdown]

How did you deduct that one? Because I didn't.

Ok, let me literally tell you what happened. I don't think anyone caught on.

That one guy said "They're ripping us off if they don't give us huge headliners and still charge the same price."

Dani said "Do the math."

That comment means either they're lowering the prices or we're definitely having huge headliners. This is the most information I've seen about the lineup and it took three words. Excited yet?

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

Ok, let me literally tell you what happened. I don't think anyone caught on.

That one guy said "They're ripping us off if they don't give us huge headliners and still charge the same price."

Dani said "Do the math."

That comment means either they're lowering the prices or we're definitely having huge headliners. This is the most information I've seen about the lineup and it took three words. Excited yet?

Ah I see. I didn't make the connection between her statement and that one guy's specific comment. I'd be down for a cheap, underwhelming Coachella or an expensive, amazing Coachella :-D sounds good.

[M Sparks]

Ok, let me literally tell you what happened. I don't think anyone caught on.

That one guy said "They're ripping us off if they don't give us huge headliners and still charge the same price."

Dani said "Do the math."

That comment means either they're lowering the prices or we're definitely having huge headliners. This is the most information I've seen about the lineup and it took three words. Excited yet?

No.

"Do the math" could also mean "We didn't make jack last year."

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

Actually, that could mean alot. So I'm not going to analyze it.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

With bonaroo already having presale tickets collected on, I didn't think GV would risk the course of action that they have taken. Lets face it, Roo is in direct competition with Coachella as far as US festivals go (Lolla will always be a huge money maker b/c of the location, so it competes with nobody). Roo struck first and struck hard.


Oh, and Bonnaroo also got a 6 page article in Rolling Stone. Coachella got a picture of Roger Waters swimming with river dolphins.

[Gonshman]

Oh, and Bonnaroo also got a 6 page article in Rolling Stone. Coachella got a picture of Roger Waters swimming with river dolphins.

Why does Rolling Stone show no respect for Coachella? It wasn't even on the the top three of their festivals.

[ShyGuy75]

I think that the premise of this thread is flawed.

Dani already said that it gets released when it does. She also pretty much said that it keeps changing. There are a LOT of bands to schedule, they probably need confirmations or negotiations with managers or what have you or making scheduling arrangements. I'm sure GV would like to avoid something like a Madness mix up from happening again and that stuff takes time to do.

So just sit tight and don't go blaming hard working people for not doing their awesome job fast enough.

your mom is flawed. nobody is blaming anyone for anything. go back to the kiddie pool please.

[shotglass75]

Why does Rolling Stone show no respect for Coachella? It wasn't even on the the top three of their festivals.

Why is Rolling Stone even being referenced as a noteworthy source?

Rolling Stone is as about as relevant to music nowadays as Brokendoll's vagina is to moisture.

[digitaldragon03]

Why does Rolling Stone show no respect for Coachella? It wasn't even on the the top three of their festivals.
The Sahara. They want no part of it, even though its huge for us Coachella people.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

Why is Rolling Stone even being referenced as a noteworthy source. Rolling Stone is as about as relevant to music nowadays as Brokendoll's vagina is to moisture.

Ha, I was just saying. And I actually appreciate the relevant links between politics and music that they bring into the mix with the magazine's subject. I tend to disagree with them on the music aspect more than the politics aspect.

The last issue was short, had no substance, and generally sucked ass though (Bush Apologizes). They're hit or miss.

[Alchemy]

if that will get me banned please give me a warning first. I have seen waaaaay worse on these boards.

You best remove that picture before Dani sees it. Don't you know how she feels about cats?

[shotglass75]

You best remove that picture before Dani sees it. Don't you know how she feels about cats?

done. thanks for watching my back you guys!!!!!

[gaypalmsprings]

http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/poster46336723.jpg

[psycobetabuckdown]

Actually, that could mean alot. So I'm not going to analyze it.

Dani means for us to analyze everything she says. It's so obvious. Why else would she make two word posts? There are double meanings in almost all of her comments.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

LOL I think she does it to fuck with us. Not give us hints. But it's ok. She's cool :)

[OnAJourney]

They must be very confident with what they have in store for us. The probably have a couple headliners which they know will sell tickets out fast! If you have a strong lineup you could sell tickets in march and still sell out.
how is GV a disservice?
coachella doesn't owe you anything. let's not be greedy now

[psychic friend]

i personally would never have a tough decision to make of roo or coach.

apples n oranges.

and those kitties are not dead or creepy. they are all sleeping in a line and super cute. SUPER CUTE. you can not deny it. you all want those kitties. i can tell.

[mvanwinkle]

I WANTZ DA KITTIES!!!

[shotglass75]

i personally would never have a tough decision to make of roo or coach.

apples n oranges.

and those kitties are not dead or creepy. they are all sleeping in a line and super cute. SUPER CUTE. you can not deny it. you all want those kitties. i can tell.

I am pretty sure you went to Lolla right? Have you ever thought about going to Roo? Just curious. Why or why not?

[psychic friend]

cant stand the smell. dont like 95% of the bands playing. not into the dirt. mostly don't like most of the bands playing. would rather spend money on a trip to visit another country.

yes ive been to lolla. meh


and I notice you could not deny the cuteness of the kittens. GOOD FOR YOU.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

i personally would never have a tough decision to make of roo or coach.

apples n oranges.

and those kitties are not dead or creepy. they are all sleeping in a line and super cute. SUPER CUTE. you can not deny it. you all want those kitties. i can tell.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/dont_piss_meoff/BigBear2008120.jpg

Deez r mai kittiez

[robotronia]

GV is an ongoing business endeavor, probably ultimately not overly concerned about the message board rails, but feel free to suggest that they offer tiered ticket sales like burning man, which would leave more $ to blow on rental house parties for the hipsters visiting Indio, especially the ones who never actually participate in the festival unless they get to "be seen" on the side stage after their personal golf cart drops 'em off.
Unless of course their manager scored the wrong laminate.
so sad to be.

pixies-radiohead-kraftwerk was worth it, dammit.

[Ill_Eagle]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-orange-cat-tongue-taunts.jpg

[shotglass75]

cant stand the smell. dont like 95% of the bands playing. not into the dirt. mostly don't like most of the bands playing. would rather spend money on a trip to visit another country.

yes ive been to lolla. meh


and I notice you could not deny the cuteness of the kittens. GOOD FOR YOU.

well I did have a different picture up there that you probably wouldn't have liked. I was warned to take it down. Let's just say a garbage can filled.

[wunderbrad55]

http://dirty-ravers.com/gallery2/d/19-2/plur.jpg

[shotglass75]

http://dirty-ravers.com/gallery2/d/19-2/plur.jpg

Uh, she looks pretty hot to me

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

She's touching herself.

[gaypalmsprings]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w302/gaypalmsprings/kitties.jpg

[humanoid]

she also looks 15

[psychic friend]

those pics are gross and dont fit in this thread at all. its a shame people feel the need to ruin things thread after thread after thread.

[gaypalmsprings]

which pix - the girls or the dead cats?

[psychic friend]

both. i didnt see a dead cats one though.

[Edmontonian]

People complain a lot when they make changes to the line up between the announcement and the festival.
Especially when they have to remove bands because they put them on the poster without checking out all their shit and making absolutely sure that it's going to happen.
Worse than that, if they change a lot of shit like last year people get their hopes up that they'll add a big headliner which they probably won't.
Plus they look kind of disorganized...
Anyways the point is it doesn't look good if they put out the lineup prematurely withought it being for sure ready. Makes them seem unprofessional if they have to make changes and fuck with it. Last year they probably should have waited a bit to get their ducks standing in a row before throwing them to the dogs.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

not a puppy or a kitty but

http://www.nilhan.com/fotograflar/cookie.jpg
http://www.thecuteproject.com/images/items/1043.jpg

[CalmerThanYou]

Dani, i salute you for feeling the need to come in here and answer these questions, but you dont need to defend/explain yourself or GV

everyone is acting like a fucking retard right now, dont get sucked in.

PLUR

[Edmontonian]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/407704100_75ebe5050a.jpg?v=1173367583

[psychic friend]

but I like excuses for warm fuzzie pictures.

[gaypalmsprings]

not a puppy or a kitty but

http://www.nilhan.com/fotograflar/cookie.jpg



it's sleeping. that's cute.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

http://rickoshea.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/manatee.jpg

[gaypalmsprings]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w302/gaypalmsprings/OrangutanR_800x570.jpg

[mcskye]

mmmmm ice cream

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m116/melodystill/CopyofPuppies111.jpg
http://leerburg.com/Photos/P1010014.jpg

[Blinken]

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/Cj_Lemon/cute_animals_09.jpg

[Blinken]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/funny-pictures-beware-of-the-cute-duckling-scam.jpg
I hope we aren't being scammed;)

Thanks for the info PF. We really do appreciate your efforts around this place.

[phantom]

http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii346/ilovetiger3/tiger.jpg

[psychic friend]

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1938/167/53/750383789/n750383789_1262459_2962.jpg

[gaypalmsprings]

http://www.jameskovacs.com/blog/content/binary/WindowsLiveWriter/ITS.NETCanadaOpenSpacesRegistrationIsOpe_1495E/American_Beaver_2.jpg

[Bud Luster]

Man I hate not being able to get on the board at work sometimes. I really would have liked to be the first to call the OP names and stuff. damn it.

[shotglass75]

http://dualite.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/uglydog.jpg
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2005/11/22/314319/SamUgliestDogLulu.jpg

[psychic friend]

dickish

[deeznutz]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/cute_kitten.gif

[shotglass75]

dickish

Touché

[gaypalmsprings]

dickish

http://www.kottke.org/plus/misc/images/ikea-dick-in-the-box-0.gif

[boarderwoozel3]

http://rightmoment.blogspot.com/Pics/free%20cat.jpg

[ELPOLLOLOCO]

thats wrong...

[Ardentbiscuit]

Obviously they have their reasons and/or problems why the line up isn't out.

All I know is that if the line up isn't here by Friday I'm going to be drunk all weekend so I don't think about it.

As for the lay a way plan, that's going to be one fast lay a way plan considering the amount of time between when the tickets might go on sale and when the festival is. You would probably be better off just buying them outright.

Obviously you can't have a payment plan that goes past the festival. Once people go to Coachella they would probably default on their payments if they didn't finish the payment plan.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

People complain a lot when they make changes to the line up between the announcement and the festival.
Especially when they have to remove bands because they put them on the poster without checking out all their shit and making absolutely sure that it's going to happen.
Worse than that, if they change a lot of shit like last year people get their hopes up that they'll add a big headliner which they probably won't.
Plus they look kind of disorganized...
Anyways the point is it doesn't look good if they put out the lineup prematurely withought it being for sure ready. Makes them seem unprofessional if they have to make changes and fuck with it. Last year they probably should have waited a bit to get their ducks standing in a row before throwing them to the dogs.

:yyablo :yyablo :yyablo :yyablo :yyablo

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/dont_piss_meoff/cute_animals_09.jpg

[boarderwoozel3]

That's a very good point. With less than 90 days until April 17th. How many payments can they realistically divide the layaway into while allowing time to ship the tickets? Or are they all going to be at will call so we can repeat 2007?

I know it's been covered earlier but the complete lack of information outside of the festival dates is cause for concern.

[oftheheartofthesoul]

B35rYEkYgvs

All through that movie I kept thinking....where is the blood? Will there not, in fact, be blood?

I'm glad those questions were sufficiently answered.

Jeez, I got off topic again. So anyway blah blah blah I'm arguing on the Internet blah blah blah.

[digitaldragon03]

Pretty sure there was blood when that thing fell on that guys head inside the well.

[Memorial_07]

for a few reasons.

- Moving the festival up two weeks but not moving the lineup announcement/ticket sales up. I think it is actually later now than last year, which means that they will lose approximately 3 weeks of ticket sales.

this is true, BUT...if GV has some incredible list of bands rolled up their sleeve, then that 3 weeks won't matter. the tickets will go just as fast regardless.

only time will tell though

[blackchango]

ya you pegged us. We're holding out just to be dickish.

haha. that's awesome.

I knew it ! The Dicks are headlining on Saturday!

[RoyBrisby]

speaking of cute animals, anyone else like FUP?

I've been reading it a lot lately.

www.fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com (www.fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com)

[BROKENDOLL]

if people think my line of reasoning is dumb, please state why you think so, backed up with coherant sentences. it would make you look more credible than just stating "dumb" or blanketly dismissing the logical business points that have been made.

roo struck hard and fast by putting presale tickets on sale already and offering them on a layaway plan. they also have set the date of their lineup. you know, operating like normal business's operate.

i have no doubt that GV knows what they are doing for the most part. Just concerned at the potential outcome of their decisions. no need to get overly upset. Considering what an asshole you are, your line of reasoning makes perfect sense...Coherant enough for you?

Why is Rolling Stone even being referenced as a noteworthy source?
Rolling Stone is as about as relevant to music nowadays as Brokendoll's vagina is to moisture. Let me guess...Shotglass75 and Shyguy75 are related?
http://dirty-ravers.com/gallery2/d/19-2/plur.jpg
Uh, she looks pretty hot to me Well, if we're talking relevancy here, then I guess "hot" to you would be the same as wet diapers and pacifiers are to her.

[ShyGuy75]

this is true, BUT...if GV has some incredible list of bands rolled up their sleeve, then that 3 weeks won't matter. the tickets will go just as fast regardless.

only time will tell though

memorial gets it. all we have is time.


oh, look! I see VD posted something dumb and incoherent yet again. you would think an old burnt out meth head would get a clue when 99% of her posts get ignored on this forum... but no... like a true meth head, she just keeps coming back for more. fascinating.

[airguitarvet]

i think gv isnt being dickish- i think it's the dicks in here that are being real dickish about EVERYTHING! Get off the boards and get a life. stop hitting refresh and relax. the lineup will come eventually, chill bb's.

[morelifefucker]

how did that happen?

Roo struck first and struck hard.





sounds like it got raped....

[BROKENDOLL]

memorial gets it. all we have is time.
oh, look! I see VD posted something dumb and incoherent yet again. you would think an old burnt out meth head would get a clue when 99% of her posts get ignored on this forum... but no... like a true meth head, she just keeps coming back for more. fascinating. ShyGuy75, if the post where telling you you're an asshole falls into the 1% bracket of my posts that aren't ignored and gets read by you, then that's all that matters, babe! :pulse

[AbundantChoice]

Something to always keep in mind:

Average Daily Attendance At Coachella: 40-50,000 people
Number of People Freaking The #@&$ Out Over the Lineup Right Now: 100? 200 people?

This message board is one giant echo chamber where multi-thousand post people sit all day and scream at each other and try to turn it into another useless 4chan. It in no way, shape, or form, reflects the average Coachella attendee.

And leaking some bands early then adding bigger bands later can be a very, very risky strategy. A weak initial announcement can lead alot of people, especially those who need to travel, to go "no thanks." And all the individual adds that come plinking and plunking in later aren't going to change that initial decision point. I'd rather see Coachella get 99.9% of their ducks in a row, and release the lineup when it's ready.

[BrettShipes]

ShyGuy75, if the post where telling you you're an asshole falls into the 1% bracket of my posts that aren't ignored and gets read by you, then that's all that matters, babe! :pulse

You're my hero.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

Something to always keep in mind:

Average Daily Attendance At Coachella: 40-50,000 people
Number of People Freaking The #@&$ Out Over the Lineup Right Now: 100? 200 people?

This message board is one giant echo chamber where multi-thousand post people sit all day and scream at each other and try to turn it into another useless 4chan. It in no way, shape, or form, reflects the average Coachella attendee.

Although I basically agree with you, there are plenty of people leaving desparate comments on the Myspace as well. Just sayin' that to make myself feel better about wasted time prolly.

[emtgreg]

Ok, I am going to be serious, and actually legitimately participate in an internet discussion.

Recipe for failure, I understand, but jesus christ, you all are freaking out and I feel that I can provide some sanity.

Understanding of course, that you whiners have reading comprehension skills. (and forgiveness skills because fuck, i write run-on sentences)

First of all, most of you have never run a business in your life. Working in a business doesn't count, actually running a business, writing checks, making deposits, holding vendors accountable, hiring people, firing them, giving people feedback and actually working to produce something other people want, is hard.

I have worked in Promotions, I have worked in Music, I have worked in Concerts, I have ran my own business, I have worked with vendors, musicians, artists, electricians and truck drivers.

First of all, the longer the period of time between the date of your initial promotion and the date of your event, the more likely you will NOT sell out, as you reach marketing saturation. This is because your marketing demographic grows bored of your advertisements, gets used to your marketing slogans, your themes, most importantly, the content, in the case of Coachella, the lineup.

There are three "p"'s of marketing, the products, the promotion, and the people...if you loose any of those, you loose your ability to be profitable in the marketplace. If there is too much time between the lineup announcement, and the event, you both loose money, and you loose customers, because you have started to pay your artists and vendors [security, fencing, the city of indio, the chp, etc] but you havent had the income to match the expenses, and then you have to further spend even more money, to reinvigorate your marketing plan, so that you can get the sales (and earn your customer back) so you can pay your bills.

In other words, it can be a very good thing that the lineup is "late". People see the lineup, and have to act quickly. If you give people too much time to think, they always make bad decisions, both for your business, and for themselves.

Second, you act as if musicians are these reliable, hard working, honest, dependable people, who communicate clearly, easily, and frequently. Musicians are a huge pain in the ass, they agree to shit, then deny they agreed to shit, you have to get musicians to agree to shit multiple times, one time for each personality if you will. If you talk to their agent one day and s/he is coked up, and the next sober, you get these really fucking annoying multiple messages, and you cannot hold them accountable. No matter how insane the musicians are, or how insane and irrational they are acting, you have to kiss their fucking ass, or they will just not show up, no matter how much money you offer them. Working with musicians, especially at this level, is a dirty, frustrating, incestuious, backstabbing, generally dishonest game, and since paul and gv in general tries to be an honest company, who doesnt rip people off, things do not mix well.

Take a look at history, (of coachella, don't go off and read about george washington please), and you will notice that coachella turning into this huge event has been a slow process, hell, 2 years ago was the first time it was 3 days long, it took several years to actually turn a profit, and all this time you have a very small group, of hard working and dedicated people, who are working to create an amazing experience for you, me, and 50 thousand other people, while also making a shitload of profit for aeg, (yeah, no 50/50 split there, aeg prolly takes at least 70% of the profits of the fest, especially since they helped fund the fest to what it is today) and merely trying to pay the bills themselves.

Look, it is a dirty process, and those of you who think you know something, you don't. I myself, don't know all the details of how a fest of this size works, but jesus christ, smoke some fucking weed, chill the fuck out, and have some fucking fun. GV has their ass covered, they are working their asses off to ensure they pull it off, thats what they do, they work hard, they create great festivals, and as a result, they are profitable and they get to continue to have jobs and exist.

/rant

[BrettShipes]

Musicians are a huge pain in the ass, they agree to shit, then deny they agreed to shit, you have to get musicians to agree to shit multiple times, one time for each personality if you will.

Truer words have never been spoken. I do a lot of studio work and have been in more than my share of flaky bands, your typical rock/indie musician is not a pleasant person to do business with.

[dorkfish]

without reading a post in this thread, I'll just say that 99.7% of the Coachella attendees don't read the Coachella message board religiously or yearn for the lineup like us. The lineup comes out, they see it through dumb luck, heresay, forwarding of emails, radio promotions, MySpace bulletins, etc.

GV could release the lineup in February and still sell a lot of tickets with a relatively passe lineup, so they're not doing themselves a disservice in the least.

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

without reading a post in this thread, I'll just say that 99.7% of the Coachella attendees don't read the Coachella message board religiously or yearn for the lineup like us. The lineup comes out, they see it through dumb luck, heresay, forwarding of emails, radio promotions, MySpace bulletins, etc.

GV could release the lineup in February and still sell a lot of tickets with a relatively passe lineup, so they're not doing themselves a disservice in the least.

I'mma say it again. Look at all the comments on the myspace. They want it badly too. Lotsa them.

[BROKENDOLL]

:lipsYou're my hero.

[RoyBrisby]

Ok, I am going to be serious, and actually legitimately participate in an internet discussion.

Recipe for failure, I understand, but jesus christ, you all are freaking out and I feel that I can provide some sanity.

Understanding of course, that you whiners have reading comprehension skills. (and forgiveness skills because fuck, i write run-on sentences)

First of all, most of you have never run a business in your life. Working in a business doesn't count, actually running a business, writing checks, making deposits, holding vendors accountable, hiring people, firing them, giving people feedback and actually working to produce something other people want, is hard.

I have worked in Promotions, I have worked in Music, I have worked in Concerts, I have ran my own business, I have worked with vendors, musicians, artists, electricians and truck drivers.

First of all, the longer the period of time between the date of your initial promotion and the date of your event, the more likely you will NOT sell out, as you reach marketing saturation. This is because your marketing demographic grows bored of your advertisements, gets used to your marketing slogans, your themes, most importantly, the content, in the case of Coachella, the lineup.

There are three "p"'s of marketing, the products, the promotion, and the people...if you loose any of those, you loose your ability to be profitable in the marketplace. If there is too much time between the lineup announcement, and the event, you both loose money, and you loose customers, because you have started to pay your artists and vendors [security, fencing, the city of indio, the chp, etc] but you havent had the income to match the expenses, and then you have to further spend even more money, to reinvigorate your marketing plan, so that you can get the sales (and earn your customer back) so you can pay your bills.

In other words, it can be a very good thing that the lineup is "late". People see the lineup, and have to act quickly. If you give people too much time to think, they always make bad decisions, both for your business, and for themselves.

Second, you act as if musicians are these reliable, hard working, honest, dependable people, who communicate clearly, easily, and frequently. Musicians are a huge pain in the ass, they agree to shit, then deny they agreed to shit, you have to get musicians to agree to shit multiple times, one time for each personality if you will. If you talk to their agent one day and s/he is coked up, and the next sober, you get these really fucking annoying multiple messages, and you cannot hold them accountable. No matter how insane the musicians are, or how insane and irrational they are acting, you have to kiss their fucking ass, or they will just not show up, no matter how much money you offer them. Working with musicians, especially at this level, is a dirty, frustrating, incestuious, backstabbing, generally dishonest game, and since paul and gv in general tries to be an honest company, who doesnt rip people off, things do not mix well.

Take a look at history, (of coachella, don't go off and read about george washington please), and you will notice that coachella turning into this huge event has been a slow process, hell, 2 years ago was the first time it was 3 days long, it took several years to actually turn a profit, and all this time you have a very small group, of hard working and dedicated people, who are working to create an amazing experience for you, me, and 50 thousand other people, while also making a shitload of profit for aeg, (yeah, no 50/50 split there, aeg prolly takes at least 70% of the profits of the fest, especially since they helped fund the fest to what it is today) and merely trying to pay the bills themselves.

Look, it is a dirty process, and those of you who think you know something, you don't. I myself, don't know all the details of how a fest of this size works, but jesus christ, smoke some fucking weed, chill the fuck out, and have some fucking fun. GV has their ass covered, they are working their asses off to ensure they pull it off, thats what they do, they work hard, they create great festivals, and as a result, they are profitable and they get to continue to have jobs and exist.

/rant

QFT. You're really good at writing rants btw. Normally I would've gotten really bored reading something that long. Your points make a lot of sense. Responses anyone?

[Iamjoeswastdlife]

First of all, the longer the period of time between the date of your initial promotion and the date of your event, the more likely you will NOT sell out, as you reach marketing saturation. This is because your marketing demographic grows bored of your advertisements, gets used to your marketing slogans, your themes, most importantly, the content, in the case of Coachella, the lineup


I'd say I agree with everything except that part. I'd say it's relative to the general consensus of the lineup's quality.

[psycobetabuckdown]

Dani, i salute you for feeling the need to come in here and answer these questions, but you dont need to defend/explain yourself or GV

everyone is acting like a fucking retard right now, dont get sucked in.

PLUR

Screw that. She's the only connection between the posters who pay her salary and the company who otherwise doesn't speak with us. If anything, Dani doesn't answer nearly enough questions and when she does answer questions she answers them incompletely or in code. Sometimes fun, but often irritating. No one's asking her to defend GV; it's very reasonable to ask her to explain GV, because we're prospective customers with intent to purchase GV's services. I wish GV had a moderator that was more active and willing to discuss things with the posters. That's not to say I think she has a responsibility to tell us everything we demand of her - only that she should at least be cooperative and agreeable.

[psycobetabuckdown]

QFT. You're really good at writing rants btw. Normally I would've gotten really bored reading something that long. Your points make a lot of sense. Responses anyone?

You know, he obviously has more of a knowledgeable take than I do and that was a good read and I appreciate it.

I appreciate that it's a hard job, but it's still their job. The musicians, if they're truly all "coked up" as he put it, all probably a bitch to deal with. But that's not our responsibility to concern ourselves with, as the attendees. I do not give a shit. I pay $300, you give me 3 day passes. It's interesting to hear about the hurdles of signing bands and putting together a lineup, but they have a responsibility to be prepared for that.

I'm not one of the ones who's complaining about the late lineup though. It's not that late. I'm personally getting impatient, but only because I'm so excited - I know we're not entitled to a lineup by any certain date, because they haven't announced anything.

But I do think they should keep it around the same time every year so we know what we're getting, or at least send out emails to the microcommunity mailing list and update us! I signed up for the mailing list in 06 and I think again in 07 and have never received an email from Goldenvoice. What's that about?

[shotglass75]

Well, if we're talking relevancy here, then I guess "hot" to you would be the same as wet diapers and pacifiers are to her.

That is not a good insult if you are trying to insult me. You jokes are all dried up.... just like your vagina

[malcolmjamalawesome]

The only disservice GV has ever done itself is allowing DJ Peretz in the Sahara Tent.

[All Your Base]

And not cleaning the potties last year for Sunday.

[AbundantChoice]

The lineup comes out, they see it through dumb luck, heresay, forwarding of emails, radio promotions, MySpace bulletins, etc.

Yeah. For example, I generally go with the same 5 "core" people every year, then anywhere from 3-6 "other people" (i.e. Person X has a new girlfriend who wants to come along, Person Y's co-worker thinks it sounds cool, etc).

Now i'm the only "core" person in my group that checks the board every day, has LA Times and KROQ and whatnot bookmarked, etc. The rest of the group doesn't bother to try to figure out when the lineup is coming out at all, because they know that i'm going to find out the minute it comes out, and i'll forward it onto them. So i'm the 'canary in a coal mine' for my core Coachella companions, who then pass the info onto the other people that are on the fence.

[betao]

Screw that. She's the only connection between the posters who pay her salary and the company who otherwise doesn't speak with us. If anything, Dani doesn't answer nearly enough questions and when she does answer questions she answers them incompletely or in code. Sometimes fun, but often irritating. No one's asking her to defend GV; it's very reasonable to ask her to explain GV, because we're prospective customers with intent to purchase GV's services. I wish GV had a moderator that was more active and willing to discuss things with the posters. That's not to say I think she has a responsibility to tell us everything we demand of her - only that she should at least be cooperative and agreeable.

I agree with this.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

There's liability in her making statements as a representative of GV. Since she's an employee she could say something a little off or that someone misinterpreted and that could lead to liability for GV. My guess is that's why she can't be too vocal.

[All Your Base]

There are too many people that think they're 'owed' something by Paul/Dani/GV on this board. You're all just consumers my friends. Whether you like how GV is handling the release of the lineup or not, you'll either just buy it or not. Patience, Daniel San.

[mandelbaum]

Interesting thread. Some people have proven themselves to be morons (yet again). Forget about the timing of the lineup announcement (which I'm sure will be announced as soon as it is ready at this point...I don't believe for a second that it is being held back for the hell of it). Although I did not read each and every post, I am still wondering why Coachella did not offer ticket sales before Christmas or start layaway sales earlier. I do not see much, if any, downside to that, and in this economy, I know for a fact a number of my friends would have either gotten tix for Christmas or done the layaway thing. Now, I'm not sure that they will go (regardless of what the lineup is).

[betao]

There are too many people that think they're 'owed' something by Paul/Dani/GV on this board. You're all just consumers my friends. Whether you like how GV is handling the release of the lineup or not, you'll either just buy it or not. Patience, Daniel San.

Some people who have to pay a fair amount of money to do coachella would beg to differ. I'm not saying they owe us something, but I can understand the frustration if you have to make certain travel arrangements.

[BROKENDOLL]

That is not a good insult if you are trying to insult me. You jokes are all dried up.... just like your vagina I wasn't joking.

[ShyGuy75]

I have worked in Promotions, I have worked in Music, I have worked in Concerts, I have ran my own business, I have worked with vendors, musicians, artists, electricians and truck drivers.

First of all, the longer the period of time between the date of your initial promotion and the date of your event, the more likely you will NOT sell out, as you reach marketing saturation. This is because your marketing demographic grows bored of your advertisements, gets used to your marketing slogans, your themes, most importantly, the content, in the case of Coachella, the lineup.


i stopped reading after that paragraph. do you realize how what you just wrote makes no sense? the longer time the tickets are on sale the less chance of selling out? seeing how you continued on after this, i'm going to say you don't. i guess running to get coffee for people didn't help you learn a few of the common sense aspects of business.

too funny how most of the regular knee jerk reaction inbreds that have shown up on this thread have made this out to be an attack on gv and its employees. i should have known such a discussion would not be able to be sustained by a board whose majority have only a GED. my bad.

[All That I Am]

ahhhh i just want the lineup already

[joppy-slow]

It is quite interesting that they have not released the line-up yet.. Which makes me think that they have something amazing in store for us this year.. I believe Paul doesn't want to have to go get another major headliner late in the game, like last year, and lose out on a late release and people being unable to travel.. But I also understand the flip side, and Coachella for a lot of us (who don't live in Cali) it is a lot easier to plan a vacay with 3 months in advance instead of only 2 months.. I, like everyone else is really anxious to see the line up.. It better be worth the wait.. but like most things in life.. Good things come to those that...

[All That I Am]

I know i can only hope

[ShyGuy75]

the lineup will be out the 26th.

now please log off and contribute something positive to society this week.

[joppy-slow]

the lineup will be out the 26th.

now please log off and contribute something positive to society this week.

good to know.. now I can go volunteer at the FoodBank and feel better about myself..

[psycobetabuckdown]

the lineup will be out the 26th.

now please log off and contribute something positive to society this week.

If you're trying to end your own thread, you have to say

/thread

[TheWatcher]

i stopped reading after that paragraph. do you realize how what you just wrote makes no sense? the longer time the tickets are on sale the less chance of selling out? seeing how you continued on after this, i'm going to say you don't. i guess running to get coffee for people didn't help you learn a few of the common sense aspects of business.


I agree. This makes no sense to me.

too funny how most of the regular knee jerk reaction inbreds that have shown up on this thread have made this out to be an attack on gv and its employees. i should have known such a discussion would not be able to be sustained by a board whose majority have only a GED. my bad.

It's possible that an education these days does not provide reading comprehension or the ability to reason. I doubt that the majority of the board has only a GED.

Just saying.

the lineup will be out the 26th.

now please log off and contribute something positive to society this week.

Good advice.

[CalmerThanYou]

I WANT TO DIP MY BALLS IN IT

[ShyGuy75]

BlackSwan is a giant pussy for deleting his post.

/thread

[BlackSwan]

LOL, I read some more of this thread and I'm not taking either side, especially yours douche. I guess you are desperate to have someone partially agree with you.

/thread. (mine has a period, it wins)

[ShyGuy75]

you are spiralling out of control with your constant edits and deletions, blackswan.

/thread!

[RotationSlimWang]

I have a GED and I'm smarter than every single one of you motherfuckers.

Eat shit, Shydick.

[BlackSwan]

I have a GED and I'm smarter than every single one of you motherfuckers.

Eat shit, Shydick.

If you were smarter, your life wouldn't suck so much.

[emtgreg]

hahahahahahahhahaha

i should rephrase the paragraph that some people are getting hung up on...it was not as clear as it should be, so let me restate in completely different terms:


The effectiveness of any given marketing campaign declines with time. If you start your campaign, to sell a product, a music festival, a beer, whatever, the longer you go, the less effective your original messaging it. A decrease in effectiveness, has a direct correlation to sales. To apply this to Coachella, if they do not sell out in the first week, unless they change their lineup, the amount of time between the lineup announcement and the festival itself has no significant impact on sales. So, in application, this means they could in theory, announce the lineup a month ahead of time, and still either sell out, or not. Time is not what defines a sellout, the lineup is. An example of this would be your local concerts, you may know that NIN is coming 6 months ahead of time, but you rarely know if Metric is, both sell pretty quickly, and both are profitable.

I am actually not here to respond to personal attacks, I just feel what I wrote could be written better, and several of you pointed out that the paragraph in question was poorly written and was unclear.

[psycobetabuckdown]

Yeah, Greg is right, I don't think he should've had to rephrase that. Spot on. +1

[RotationSlimWang]

If you were smarter, your life wouldn't suck so much.

My life's pretty awesome. What you talking about, white man?

[greghead]

Now that Randy is gainfully employed, I fail to see how his life is terrible at all.

Let's see: well-paying, cushy job, (seemingly) oodles of free time, buys/sells/consumes illicit chemicals. Yeah, his life really sucks, doesn't it? Twat

[PlayaDelWes]

People have asked ‘why haven’t tickets gone on sale already, even if the lineup is not complete?’.

The simple answer to that is that GV is still trying to figure out how much to charge. I can only imagine the financial modeling going on right now. In fact, I’m jealous that other people (and not me) get to figure out costs basis, break-even pricing, and how much margin to charge.

Without having final word on talent (clearly the largest expense) and with so much moving around, it’d be bad business for GV to name an estimated ticket price just to get them out for early purchase. Price them too low, they’d be restricted on the talent available for booking later and price them too high then sales volumes go down.

OK, all this is too simple and I really did not need to explain it.

[BlackSwan]

Now that Randy is gainfully employed, I fail to see how his life is terrible at all.

Let's see: well-paying, cushy job, (seemingly) oodles of free time, buys/sells/consumes illicit chemicals. Yeah, his life really sucks, doesn't it? Twat

My life's pretty awesome. What you talking about, white man?

It's all relative. If we were to compare it to say... Faxman or garrett's, it would super awesome. But you're right, he has it made, especially with you following him around keeping his balls warm with your mouth.

[CalmerThanYou]

some drug dealer/self righteous heroine kid that has held a steady job for two months is nothing to admire

[greghead]

It's all relative. If we were to compare it to say... Faxman or garrett's, it would super awesome. But you're right, he has it made, especially with you following him around keeping his balls warm with your mouth.

I post one comment and I'm Randy's official fanclub? My god you are stupid.

[greghead]

some drug dealer/self righteous heroine kid that has held a steady job for two months is nothing to admire

I'm not admiring him at all, I simply related my impression that his life does not suck nearly as much as BS (blackswan, bullshit, whatever you want to call him) makes it out to be. I know Randy is the board's official asshat, but that doesn't mean he leads some kind of pitiful existence. You don't actually know him, just like I don't actually know you, so my impression of you being a collar-popping frat boy is just as off-base as your impression of Randy. Come on, people, think.

[faxman75]

It's all relative. If we were to compare it to say... Faxman or garrett's, it would super awesome. But you're right, he has it made, especially with you following him around keeping his balls warm with your mouth.


Aww do you have a crush on me?

[CalmerThanYou]

I'm not admiring him at all, I simply related my impression that his life does not suck nearly as much as BS (blackswan, bullshit, whatever you want to call him) makes it out to be. I know Randy is the board's official asshat, but that doesn't mean he leads some kind of pitiful existence. You don't actually know him, just like I don't actually know you, so my impression of you being a collar-popping frat boy is just as off-base as your impression of Randy. Come on, people, think.

Well it would appear we are both spot on.

This is me last month:

http://www.wackyarchives.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/popped-collar-3.jpg

[digitaldragon03]

10 fucking popped collars. TEN.

[boarderwoozel3]

There are too many people that think they're 'owed' something by Paul/Dani/GV on this board. You're all just consumers my friends. Whether you like how GV is handling the release of the lineup or not, you'll either just buy it or not. Patience, Daniel San.

No one is owed anything by any company--legal issues aside. What people are saying is that it's in the best interest of any company vying for our disposable income to keep their customers happy.

[CalmerThanYou]

we will always be happy with coachella....all of this will be forgotten once they release the line up.

also, keep in mind this festival draws 10's of thousands of people to it every year.

there are about 1000 on the board, and perhaps 50-60 hardcore boardies.

DONT GIVE A FUCK

[BlackSwan]

I post one comment and I'm Randy's official fanclub? My god you are stupid.

You must be in some weird fan clubs if keeping balls warm is a normal thing for you.

I'm not admiring him at all, I simply related my impression that his life does not suck nearly as much as BS (blackswan, bullshit, whatever you want to call him) makes it out to be. I know Randy is the board's official asshat, but that doesn't mean he leads some kind of pitiful existence.

It's still all relative.

[TomAz]

I only read like the first page of this shit. but man there are some whiney people around here.

And anyone that wants to challenge my business sense, let's have at it.

[CalmerThanYou]

This man owns the Running Man Store

dont front.

[Memorial_07]

we will always be happy with coachella....all of this will be forgotten once they release the line up.

also, keep in mind this festival draws 10's of thousands of people to it every year.

there are about 1000 on the board, and perhaps 50-60 hardcore boardies.

DONT GIVE A FUCK

we WILL be happy when it's out, that is certain. But having to wait is what makes us go apeshit

[aprillynnn]

I agree about the changing line up ... due to these hard economic times some bands have to cancel shows (low ticket sales ... or whatever reason ... at other venues) it can affect their future show dates. If bands were gonna play 3 shows in CA but 2 have cancelled and they can't afford to just do that one show if they are coming from NY ...

just something to think about .. happens on my side of the world all the time.

it sucks.

[BROKENDOLL]

I have a GED and I'm smarter than every single one of you motherfuckers.

Eat shit, Shydick. LOL Well so much for kissin' Randy's ass and coddling his balls, huh, ShyGuy75?

[greghead]

You must be in some weird fan clubs if keeping balls warm is a normal thing for you.



It's still all relative.

? What's all relative? If you were trying to make or refute a point, you failed miserably.

And enough with the homophobia, we get that you don't like gays.

[sbessiso]

I resisted the urge to start a new thread. I simply cannot believe that we don't have the lineup yet. I understand its a lot of work and a madhouse over at GV, but uhhh its definitely time to get their shit together.

[elChurro]

roo is for dirty hippies, who cares what happens there.