Pitchfork Festival 2009

[garrett222]

Drum roll: The fourth annual Pitchfork Music Festival will take place in Chicago July 17-19. So cancel that "screw the recession" European vacation ASAP-- it's not worth it. The Pitchfork Music Festival, on the other hand, is definitely worth it. Not like we're biased or anything. The three-day fest will once again take place at Chicago's lovely Union Park, so get ready to gawk at the coolest sunglasses you've ever seen while soaking in the finest music known to man...on earth...and in space. It will be mega.

Tickets go on sale Friday, March 13.
I know what you're thinking: "So which incredibly awesome bands are going to be there this year?" Slow down. We can't give everything away at once. Stay tuned to this space for a regular stream of festival updates in the coming weeks. While you're waiting, go ahead and check out Deerhunter's Bradford Cox performing with Spoon from last year's show or Girl Talk doing that thing he does with special guests Grizzly Bear at the '07 fest over at Pitchfork.tv.
But feel free to circle and/or highlight July 17, 18, and 19 on your cat-a-day calendar this very second.

[PassiveTheory]

This topic will become far more relevant to my interest when those hipster fucks release the lineup.

Somehow I think they will manage to find a way to get Animal Collective to headline both nights, Jack Johnston style.

[karma_guy]

the black lips are confirmed to play
i wonder if they could get pavement to play "Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain" ...

[Boourns]

Oh shit, that's the weekend before Fuji Rock.

Whatever, I doubt they get Jarvis Cocker two years in a row.

[karma_guy]

hey bouurns how pissed would you be if p4k got pulp to reunite for the fest?
seeing as you're going to fuji rock

[stinkbutt]

I've been saying this for awhile now and I will continue saying it

I have this gut feeling Portishead is playing this year

[Boourns]

I'd go to pitchfork and then go to fuji next year.

And if Portishead plays, same deal. Unless they announce a full tour.

[hegemon]

Music and Nothing are confirmed.

[bmack86]

Barring financial problems, I'll be there. This is such a great weekend. The after parties are a blast, the festival is expertly run, the food is fantastic and they have microbrews for the beers. I have absolutely no complaints about this the two years I've been.

Boredoms headlining one night. It's a guess, but I could see them doing that.

[Boourns]

Barring financial problems, I'll be there. This is such a great weekend. The after parties are a blast, the festival is expertly run, the food is fantastic and they have microbrews for the beers. I have absolutely no complaints about this the two years I've been.

Boredoms headlining one night. It's a guess, but I could see them doing that.

How much is beer?

[bmack86]

And also, I've heard people complain that there aren't (or weren't, the trend is changing) any current new acts that are headliner material. I love that Spoon and Animal Collective were their two regular headliners last year. And it sold out.

[bmack86]

How much is beer?

I want to say 3 bucks per, but it might have been 4. Very affordable. And, once people are drunk, they give away extra beer tickets. It's happened to me both years.

[Boourns]

Nice. Argh, damnit. Why couldn't JC and AC play this year instead?

[kitt kat]

BENEFITS OF GOING:

1. Going.
2. Going to Chicago---a place I've never been.
3. I will be 21 long before then.
4. Another AC show to add to my AC-full year, perhaps?
5. Swindling my way onto the P4K staff.
6. PRESS PASS.
7. Party.

BENEFITS OF NOT GOING:

1. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Hm. I'll wait for the lineup.

[miscorrections]

Are you angling for Most Obnoxious Person Alive right now? Because you're way out front and running.

[kitt kat]

1. I don't think you ever sense my style of typing. It's mostly fueled by sarcastic over-enthusiasm.

2. Fuck you. I've had a horrible, miserable week and I finally came home tonight happy, so please let me ride out this wave of joy before I wake up tomorrow back inside my pool of complete and utter depression.

[miscorrections]

1. Waaaaah.

2. Waaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaaaaah my life is terrible woe is me waaaaaaaaah.

[Boourns]

Any guesses as to what acts will be playing? I have no idea. Not many tours that will be going on at the time have been announced yet.

[Boourns]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2684189191_aeae3b108f_o.jpg

[Cherita Chen]

1. I don't think you ever sense my style of typing. It's mostly fueled by sarcastic over-enthusiasm.

2. Fuck you. I've had a horrible, miserable week and I finally came home tonight happy, so please let me ride out this wave of joy before I wake up tomorrow back inside my pool of complete and utter depression.

You don't have to explain yourself to them.

[Cherita Chen]

Also, I would love to go to this but I really don't think I could handle all the skinny jeans, fitted flannel and fedoras.

[garrett222]

1. Waaaaah.

2. Waaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaaaaah my life is terrible woe is me waaaaaaaaah.

you're life must be so miserable to say these things to someone.

[Boourns]

Everyone start emailing bands asking if it's "true" that they are playing.

[bmack86]

The mud people were ridiculous. Tim Harrington of course joined in their escapades.

[TommyboyUNM]

you're life must be so miserable to say these things to someone.


Oh fuck you. This is always the go-to explanation for when somebody is telling it like it is. Maybe you and Kitt Kat should realize you come across as complete morons and all the shit you get from it has nothing to do with whether or not anybody is "miserable." Maybe you really ARE that fucking stupid and the person telling you this is completely happy. Go start another thread in which you tell everyone how desperate you are for a girlfriend. Better yet, go criticize another board member for meeting his girlfriend through the boards. Even though you didn't have the necessary game, or even a hint of personality, to even have a fighting chance of getting her. You creepy fuck.


Oh and Portishead would maybe get me to this, though my festival schedule is looking crazy booked.

[garrett222]

Oh fuck you. This is always the go-to explanation for when somebody is telling it like it is. Maybe you and Kitt Kat should realize you come across as complete morons and all the shit you get from it has nothing to do with whether or not anybody is "miserable." Maybe you really ARE that fucking stupid and the person telling you this is completely happy. Go start another thread in which you tell everyone how desperate you are for a girlfriend. Better yet, go criticize another board member for meeting his girlfriend through the boards. Even though you didn't have the necessary game, or even a hint of personality, to even have a fighting chance of getting her. You creepy fuck.


Oh and Portishead would maybe get me to this, though my festival schedule is looking crazy booked.

Pathetic asshole. stop stalking me. I left your lame ass hippie thread for good. I defend a perfectly nice person from being insulted and you attack me for it? You don't know me...you don't know people because of what they post on a message board. I'm i a perfectly happy relationship, so keep calling me creepy, because I'm not here to troll for girls.

Just a little sick of people being assholes on the board so they can feel important. Yes tommy, you're the amazing leader of the coachella board clique. Hoooaaah. great for you. Keep ignoring me like you said you would.

[kitt kat]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2684189191_aeae3b108f_o.jpg

It rains in Chicago in the summer? Blech. I'm not a rain person whatsoever.

[gooftroop]

It rains in Chicago in the summer? Blech. I'm not a rain person whatsoever.

I have been going to Pitchfork every year since it started as the Intonation festival. Out of the 4 years and 8 days I've been it only rained for half of a day this year. It was actually a complete relief from the heat and not a problem whatsoever as the mud was very easily avoidable.

Pitchfork is one of my favorite festivals as it provides an amazing counter-point to a fest like Coachella. It is cheap as hell (literally the first year was $35 for two days!, now it's like $50 for 2 but still), the crowds are small and very easy to deal with, and there is also very little conflict due to there being a maximum of two stages going at once. I can't speak highly enough about the way it is run and the chill atmosphere of the festival. Great indie bands, good food and yes cheap beer ($4 or $5 I think, not for a 12oz glass either).

Not to rain on any parades but I doubt they get Portishead. This festival does not draw big acts as headliners, but with Pitchfork you never know so until we see a lineup I do think speculation is fair. Hopefully they will announce some details at their SXSW party like they do most years, they usually release their lineup over a period of time.

Seriously go to this if you can, I have never been to Lolla but I hear from those who have been to both that they enjoyed Pitchfork more, especially compared to the cost. Plus chicago is one of the greatest cities in the nation. Please when anyone has it post details of a possible lineup, I will for sure be attending this year due to all the reasons I have previously stated.

[suprefan]

It rains in Chicago in the summer? Blech. I'm not a rain person whatsoever.

Umm yeah, Lake Michigan is right next to the city, you didnt notice? Storms come in without warning. And I mean, its the midwest, why wouldnt it rain?

[garrett222]

Umm yeah, Lake Michigan is right next to the city, you didnt notice? Storms come in without warning. And I mean, its the midwest, why wouldnt it rain?

Burn. way to tear someone apart. Awesome. Didn't instantly think it would rain in the middle of July. What a prick she is!

[luckyface]

Hey Kit Katt, I think you have a potential suitor!

[kitt kat]

I've never been to Chicago or the midwest; how would I know it's climate?

[pancakespancakes]

I'm considering going to this if I like the lineup as much or better than Lollapalooza's. If it was last year, I would have definitely gone to Lolla. But I'll be heading to Chicago this summer for a music festival no matter what and I think I'd prefer going to Pitchfork, just because of how small-scale and well-run it is.

[kitt kat]

Hey Kit Katt, I think you have a potential suitor!

No way, dude. No internet relationships.

[pancakespancakes]

Also, this thread is full of all kinds of hilarity so far.

[garrett222]

Hey Kit Katt, I think you have a potential suitor!

Nope. I'm taken. I'm just sick of all the assholes on this board. I'll defend suprefan if he's insulted.

[suprefan]

Cause none of your friends have been there either so then you really wouldn't know Kitt? I have family there, so ya know i would have an idea of the weather I guess. And also having been a other parts of the midwest in the summer you figure it out. (It rains in minnesota in june and it rains in wisconsin in august)


Nope. I'm taken. I'm just sick of all the assholes on this board. I'll defend suprefan if he's insulted.


Not insulted at all, just saying....

[kitt kat]

When my friends and I sit around and hang out, the last thing on our minds are midwestern weather patterns.

[gooftroop]

It rains sometimes. Who cares it is freaking water!

[TommyboyUNM]

When my friends and I sit around and hang out, the last thing on our minds are midwestern weather patterns.

Well you guys sound like a boring bunch. How do weather patterns not come up in conversation?

[suprefan]

When my friends and I sit around and hang out, the last thing on our minds are midwestern weather patterns.

More in the sense of, your friends came back from vacation somewhere and you are having a convo about it. Lets say they had gone to chicago, you ask ''so how was it?'' Usually, one way or the other, the weather comes up regarding the trip.

[garrett222]

or maybe when someone is posting on a message board they don't sit back and concentrate really hard on every possible thing they know from life that might affect the post.

And if we did, it wouldn't be nearly as fun for you...what without all the insulting you get to do.

[suprefan]

I guessss........... And I wasn't insulting her, just saying......










And if Portishead played I would be there.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

If Portishead tour, I am fairly confident of a Denver date.

[garrett222]

I guessss........... And I wasn't insulting her, just saying......










And if Portishead played I would be there.

definitely not referring to you.

[JSam67]

I don't know what's more annyoing in this thread, kitt kat's whining or garrett's defense of her.

And for those of you who haven't been, the amount of hipsters at this festival, no surprise, is fucking horrifying. Makes Coachella look like Lollapalooza.

[gooftroop]

I don't know what's more annyoing in this thread, kitt kat's whining or garrett's defense of her.

And for those of you who haven't been, the amount of hipsters at this festival, no surprise, is fucking horrifying. Makes Coachella look like Lollapalooza.

Who cares the music is great and almost all of the people I talked to at the festival were super chill. I'd say most of the people there are ordinary music lovers, your average hipster does NOT do well in sunlight.

[frozen pilgrim]

Who cares the music is great and almost all of the people I talked to at the festival were super chill. I'd say most of the people there are ordinary music lovers.

hipster.

[send me ctrpllrs]

I had a blast last year. Lineup pending, of course, I'll likely go again. I'm sure there will probably be enough to get me out there again.

The rain was wonderful. It made for good times. And all the people seemed pretty cool there.

[gooftroop]

hipster.

hahaha yeah you got me there :rotfl

Fun fact, urban dictionary currently lists 118 definitions for hipster. A couple of my faves:


"Kind of like an Emo kid who never really grew out of it."
"1. A self-aggrandizing piece of hypocrisy.
2. Consumer.
3. A sector of the "enlightened" mass culture."
"Black frame glasses wearing, java drinking, converse all-star wearing, bike riding, indie listning, underground club going, white belt and 3 shirt sizes too small wearing, non showering, mommy and daddy grubing, record store working, pabst blue ribbon drinking, smoothie sipping, tight black jean wearing, Williamsburg BK living......Poser"
And my personal favorite: "someone who flaunts cigarettes."


That really made for some entertaining reading. Yeah pitchfork is full of these kids although I guess I'm not really one exactly. Especially when it comes to cigarettes and tight fitting pants.

[Boourns]

I can't be a hipster, I'm too fat.

Someone posted this on Consequence of Sound (http://consequenceofsound.net/festival-outlook/pitchfork-music-festival/#comment-21441). Wayyyy too good to be true:
Nas performing Illmatic
Cat Power performing the Covers Record
Suicide performing 1st LP
Portishead
The Decemberists
Aphex Twin
Panda Bear
Boredoms
Antony and the Johnsons
Gang Gang Dance
Kimya Dawson
Liars
Diplo
The Pains of Being Pure at Heart
Los Campesinos!
Mono
The Cool Kids
School of Seven Bells
Asobi Seksu
Kid Sister
Flosstradamus

[fikus222]

You're right there's no way...Portishead would fill that park in a heartbeat...

From everything that I have read, Portishead is relaxing before recording another album, which supposedly they will follow up with a proper tour.

Though, if this were true and Portishead was doing a one-off then I think its about time my wife got to see Chicago.

[pancakespancakes]

Wow, I would go to that without question.

Too good to be true? I don't know, seems feasible minus Portishead... who's actually kinda possible too. I don't know who would be the other headliner though. No way the Decemberists would. I bet they give their new album a shit rating too.

[stinkbutt]

I've never been to Chicago or the midwest; how would I know it's climate?

And this is why Tool wrote Aenima

[Cherita Chen]

:rolleyes

[TommyboyUNM]

And this is why Tool wrote Aenima


Indeed, my friend. Indeed. See you down in Arizona Bay.

[JSam67]

And this is why Tool wrote Aenima

I love you for this post.

[bleep]

http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2009/03/the-jesus-lizard-to-open-pitchfork-festival-with-set-list-handpicked-by-fans.html
Reunited Jesus Lizard to open Pitchfork festival with set list handpicked by fans

The reunited Jesus Lizard will play its first hometown show in 11 years July 17 at the Pitchfork Music Festival in Union Park, promoters will announce Friday.

The noise-rock quartet broke up in 1999, but the original lineup of David Yow, Duane Denison, David Wm. Sims, and Mac McNeilly has announced plans to play a handful of shows this year while their label, Touch & Go, reissues much of their back catalogue.

The Jesus Lizard will be part of an opening-night festival lineup that also includes Built to Spill, Tortoise and Yo La Tengo. Each of the bands will play a set handpicked by fans. Anyone who buys a ticket starting March 13 will receive an email providing a link to a web page where they can vote on which songs they’d like to hear each band perform. Voting will end June 12.

Other bands and artists confirmed for the festival include the National, Pharoahe Monch and the Pains of Being Pure at Heart on July 18 and Grizzly Bear, the Walkmen and Vivian Girls on July 19.

Additional bands for the fourth annual festival will be announced later.

[Cherita Chen]

So I guess Portishead will be a late-add?

[wmgaretjax]

if Boredoms play I might go... I might buy tickets regardless of whether I think I can go simply because they are so cheap.

[suprefan]

With this, no portishead for sure.

[wmgaretjax]

Jesus... Voting on a Yo La Tengo setlist....

[zenidogx]

Jesus... Voting on a Yo La Tengo setlist....

starts with Stockholm Syndrome

[drowningmatt]

Last year was fun despite the insane humidity. I may go this year depending on the line up, it’s starting to look good already.

[sithlord]

Music and Nothing are confirmed.



lol

[kitt kat]

Meh. Unless some other bands I really like are added, I don't think I'll be going like I thought I was. Only Grizzly Bear and TPOBPAH are drawing me at this point.

[bmack86]

Just remember, every year they roll out more and more until it's nigh impossible to pass up. If Grizzly Bear and the National are headlining, I'd be surprised but also happy.

Anyone else who buys tickets, please, please, please help me out by voting for Sudden Organ by Yo La Tengo. And Boilermaker by the Jesus Lizard.

[Boourns]

I don't dislike any of these bands, except The National and Vivian Girls, it's just that I don't really care much about most. Except Grizzly Bear, but they are playing LA. So yeah, no Portishead = no pitchfork for me this year.

[bmack86]

FYI everyone. I just found round trip flights for that weekend for under 200 bucks.

[Courtney]

Yo La Tengo! I really can't afford to travel anymore this summer, but this is so tempting.

[samiksha]

definitely going. if you have a megabus stop near you that goes to chicago you can get a ticket for a dollar.

[Young blood]

me +1. Need to get a room ASAP.

[kitt kat]

FYI everyone. I just found round trip flights for that weekend for under 200 bucks.

Oh Jesus. That's tempting. Again...Waiting. When do you think more will get added? By next week before the tickets go on sale?

I don't like the National at all. That's a huge no-draw for me and making it tempting to say no. Also, I want hipster dance music!

[suprefan]

I think the official announcement next week will have a few more bands.

[wmgaretjax]

please, please, please help me out by voting for Sudden Organ by Yo La Tengo.

You know it.

[bmack86]

There'll be hipster dance stuff for sure. It's been there every year.

I'm hoping I can make this work. I'm already going to New Zealand and I'm paying for Law School next year. It'll probably depend on if I can get substitute teaching jobs once I pass the CBEST.

[slurpee]

Umm yeah, Lake Michigan is right next to the city, you didnt notice? Storms come in without warning. And I mean, its the midwest, why wouldnt it rain?

Please explain your logic behind this storms without warning in Chicago.

The city is directly west of the lake. Weather comes from the west.

[kreutz2112]

If I can talk my friend into going to this I may be there. His mom was laid off from delta after 911 so to comp her they give her ample amounts of buddy passes. I flew to NYC to see Pearl Jam for like $75 round trip. IF I GO, would anyone be interested in sharing a hotel room, depending on how much they cost?

[bmack86]

If I can go, I very well might be. The hostel that I've stayed in has been both nice and convenient, but it'd be nice to have a more comfortable and more private room.

[wmgaretjax]

Weather comes from the west.

heh.

[pancakespancakes]

Alright. FUCK LOLLAPALOOZA. This thing already has me going. Fucking Yo La Tengo and Tortoise in one day is enough to get me there. Grizzly Bear and Jesus Lizard aren't too bad on top of that, either. But then I read this:

FYI everyone. I just found round trip flights for that weekend for under 200 bucks.

And then I knew I was going...

[suprefan]

Please explain your logic behind this storms without warning in Chicago.

The city is directly west of the lake. Weather comes from the west.

Please see the whole tornado warning thign that happend the day after Lolla ended and they had to like cancel all flights at the airports and the cubs game was delayed for a while etc etc. That mornign before it all went down, Im taking the rental car I had for the weekend back to the place which was up the street wher eI was staying. So I drop it off, outside its a little cloudy but nothing crazy, within those 10 minutes of me being in the place and signing a couple of forms and making sure all my stuff was out of the car, it turns dark and it starts pouring rain. Then above tornado warning thing happens later in the afternoon, luckily I was flying out from wisconsin so I missed it all and no flight delays and snags like everyone else in chicago.

[SoulDischarge]

Yeah. I'll probably go to this unless complete disaster strikes. Even if I'm totally broke, Megabus is $1 from Cleveland if I plan far enough ahead and one of my best friends lives in the city. Fucking Jesus Lizard.

[gooftroop]

TORTOISE!! The National! I love Pitchfork! I will be there, easy drive, free place to stay, cheap festival tickets. The only festival I can attend for under $100. I've been every year and have always had a blast!

And what's the deal with Jesus Lizard? I'm betting they're worth checking out, I have heard their name but know very little...

[bmack86]

Youtube the song Boilermaker live. That'll tell you all you need to know about them.

[bmack86]

There's the link. They don't let you embed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA7oTXlyBv4)

[gooftroop]

Youtube the song Boilermaker live. That'll tell you all you need to know about them.

hahaha, not really my style but seems entertaining, I like their energy. Man do I hate the way they filmed that video though, that quick zooming in and out trick gets tired after 3 seconds.

[pancakespancakes]

I'm trying to decide on the songs I want to vote for for this. This is going to be really, really fun though.

My favorite Tortoise song is one of their more famous songs, TNT, but they actually don't play it live at all of their shows... so I'm thinking I'll just vote for that. But I also have to hear Djed live before I die.

My favorite Yo La Tengo song they wouldn't otherwise play is probably Moby Octopad. I would also kill to hear Pass the Hatchet live. So maybe I should just vote for that one.

As for Jesus Lizard... I'm only really a huge fan of Goat, so anything off of there, but in particular Mouth Breather or Romeo in Joliet. Still getting to their other albums now...

And Built to Spill I'm a pretty casual fan so I don't have much to say there. My favorite song of their's is probably Velvet Waltz.

[bmack86]

I'd bet good amounts of money that, due to the fact that they're one of the voting bands, the Jesus Lizard will play a set that consists almost solely of material off of Goat and Liar.

[samiksha]

ugh, im an idiot. i wasn't paying attention and bought tickets for friday instead of 3 day passes.

[Young blood]

ugh, im an idiot. i wasn't paying attention and bought tickets for friday instead of 3 day passes.

giggles.

$162 for two 3 day tickets is a bargain.

[drowningmatt]

Just got my tickets.

[Sushov23]

Pharoahe Monch.

[suprefan]

Yeah, we know. and?

[Sushov23]

Yeah, we know. and?

that makes me want to go to Pitchfork, but hopefully it means a tour.

[pancakespancakes]

I figured I could ask this question in this thread... What Built to Spill album should one listen to after Perfect From Now On?

I've been listening to this album way too much. I'm in love. I need something new... but I know most of their other stuff is a bit different from this album.

[Optimistic]

Keep It Like A Secret. Next best after Perfect.

[suprefan]

So The Flaming Lips and The Black Lips got added

[bmack86]

Nice. More overlap with ATP though.

[stinkbutt]

Flaming Lips

god dammit

[Boourns]

Flaming lips? Seriously? Nice!

Will they ever come back to LA? Been a long time since new years 2006

[pancakespancakes]

?????

Where does it say this?

Don't go scooper on me supre.

[AquaFresh]

The Flaming Lips

no.

[PotVsKtl]

Keep It Like A Secret. Next best after Perfect.

You're out of your distended skull son.

[Optimistic]

You're out of your distended skull son.

Really? I thought this was almost everyone's opinion and not just my own. What's your answer?

[suprefan]

Why would I lie....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-pitchfork-fest-0327mar27,0,4461319.story

[Optimistic]

Hmmm the more I think about it, the more disinterested I am in the line-up. While it's a good line-up, the only bands I'm interested in that I haven't already seen are the Jesus Lizard (whom I'll be seeing at ATP New York) and Pains of Being Pure at Heart. I really hope they add a few others besides the Lips tomorrow. Still that's a big step up from the likes of Sonic Youth and Public Enemy.

[rage patton]

A Flaming Lips set with all the songs choosen by the fans? Hooooooooooooooly shit.

[Boourns]

Radiohead should do that.

[C DUB YA]

PF Fest is really a good deal.

[zenidogx]

sweet jesus shootin' heroin!

oh my gawd!


why, why must i be so poor?!?

one of many Flaming Lips dream setlists:

Unplugged
Shine on Sweet Jesus
God Walks Among Us Now
Bad Days
Turn It On
This Here Giraffe
Be My Head
The Gash
Jesus Shootin' Heroin

[Optimistic]

Flaming Lips aren't doing the "Write the night" thing anymore.

[zenidogx]

ha! makes sense, though. besides She Don't Use Jelly, the only pre-Soft Bulletin material i know they've done live recently are: Ode to CC II, Love Yer Brain, and their What a Wonderful World cover.

[rhcpdude13]

um it just got reported that RHCP are in fact, headlining.
FUUUUCK YES

[unitedwestand]

http://pitchfork.com/news/34934-the-flaming-lips-added-to-pitchfork-music-festival/
Flaming Lips just added to headline

[Optimistic]

Thanks, you're just 4 days behind.

[suprefan]

http://pitchfork.com/news/34934-the-flaming-lips-added-to-pitchfork-music-festival/
Flaming Lips just added to headline


http://www.coachella.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1111522&postcount=106

[pancakespancakes]

http://pitchfork.com/news/35037-m83-black-lips-matt-and-kim-added-to-p4k-fest-lineup/

M83, Black Lips, Fucked Up, Matt & Kim, Wavves, The Very Best, Charles Hamilton, The Dutchess and the Duke have all been added.


This is shaping up quite nicely!

[Ardentbiscuit]

How is the part of town it's in?

I've been reading yelp reviews of hotels near that park and they are like, "This is a great place if you're a hobo or a homeless kid looking for place to crash on meth" etc...

Is it really that bad?

[bmack86]

Don't go more than a block or two away. You don't really have to, since the L drops off directly at the venue. It's as bad as they say a few blocks away.

[suprefan]

The sunday is sick, thats worth it alone.

[bmack86]

Don't go more than a block or two away. You don't really have to, since the L drops off directly at the venue. It's as bad as they say a few blocks away.

Answer transferred from the end of the last page.

[pancakespancakes]

The sunday is sick, thats worth it alone.

Honestly, the Friday for me, if all four bands are indeed on one stage one-after-the-other, is worth how ever much it costs to go to Chicago in and of itself. I have almost as much in that day as I do the whole weekend of Coachella...

[bmack86]

Staggered stages on friday. They're catty corner to eachother. If you stay reasonably back for both all you have to do is turn left or right to have the same view of both stages. Or you can camp at the front of one stage and watch from a somewhat odd angle for the other.

Or just go up to the front since it's pretty easy to do at this one.

[ShyGuy75]

How is the part of town it's in?

I've been reading yelp reviews of hotels near that park and they are like, "This is a great place if you're a hobo or a homeless kid looking for place to crash on meth" etc...

Is it really that bad?

LMAO!

no. just no.

[JSam67]

Damn, M83 got added to this a couple days ago? Can't believe I missed that. Think I have to grab a ticket now, for Sunday at least.

[suprefan]

So Mew has been added.

[JelloPuddingChat]

I wish this would stop getting better since I probably can't afford it.

[Ardentbiscuit]

So Mew has been added.

I saw that...adding Mew, Yeasayer, Plants and Animals, Disappears, Blitzen Trapper, Japandroids, and Women just makes this festival even better!

[karma_guy]

I wish this would stop getting better since I probably can't afford it.

its like 75$...
or do u mean hotel+flight?

[wantabodylikeme]

still not convinced to go lineup wise, i thought this would be the chicago summer fest i'd be going to, but lolla has what i want more

[dorkfish]

between airfarewatchdog.com and hotwire.com, you should be able to get a flight/hotel from just about anywhere for $350 or less.

[suprefan]

I made going to Chicago last year in August work for just over $250 round trip, it can be done, so have at it.

[Courtney]

I want to go to this so badly. The fans should vote for Wayne to bring his bubble.

[pancakespancakes]

Beirut, MF Doom, Frightened Rabbit, Lindstrom, DJ/rupture, Ponytail, The Mae Shi, Dianogah added.

http://pitchfork.com/news/35229-beirut-doom-frightened-rabbit-added-to-pitchfork-music-festival/



EXCELLENT adds if I do say so myself... particularly The Mae Shi/Ponytail combination, that will be at the top of my must-see list for sure...

[bmack86]

Sorry Pitchfork. You've been resoundingly bested by ATP and I don't have enough money to do both this year.

[JSam67]

Yeah, just got my 3-day ticket. Too good and too cheap to pass up. Anybody else going?

[Sushov23]

I am now considering this festival. This lineup is so great for me. 3 day passes are only 100 bucks right? damn.

[ShyGuy75]

beirut added?!?!?

thank baby jesus i will be living there by then. you can crash in my pond, jsam.

[JSam67]

I am now considering this festival. This lineup is so great for me. 3 day passes are only 100 bucks right? damn.

I paid $81.00 total for a 3-day pass.

beirut added?!?!?

thank baby jesus i will be living there by then. you can crash in my pond, jsam.

Much obliged, SG, that's going to be another spectacular weekend. Beirut Redemption! The universe continues to be far too kind to us.

[ShyGuy75]

Beirut into The National!

course correction at its finest!

[Sushov23]

I need to find a cheap/free place to sleep at. I think I can do this.

[drowningmatt]

Pitchfork was good times last year, glad i decided to make the trip again this year.

[ThomThom]

That fucking lineup is fantastic! This is beyond tempting.

[Sushov23]

how long of a walk the hostel from Union Park? yes I know google maps, blah blah blah, but if someone from Chicago can help me, or someone who has gone before.

[drowningmatt]

how long of a walk the hostel from Union Park? yes I know google maps, blah blah blah, but if someone from Chicago can help me, or someone who has gone before.

Where are you staying?

[drowningmatt]

try hi hostel, its downtown and its only a 10 minute train ride. drops you off right in front of union park.

[Sushov23]

if I go i'm looking into the hostels in the area. HI Chicago. 230 Flights nice. Hostel 115, tickets 80 bucks. Def, doable.

[drowningmatt]

after plane, hostel and tix. I did this on $100 last year and i bought a bunch of records at the record fair.

[stinkbutt]

DOOM

yeah but why did ATPNY have to get Boredoms and we don't :(

[drowningmatt]

DOOM is going to be good. DJ/Rupture is going to be sick!

[pancakespancakes]

I need to find a cheap/free place to sleep at. I think I can do this.

I am looking for a great hostel recommendation as well. I think bmack said he stayed at a hostel last year that was only a couple blocks from Union Park?

Either way, doesn't really matter as long as Chicago has good public transport. Which they might, I dunno. Where do you plan on staying JSam?

[pancakespancakes]

So here's what the full lineup is looking like now...

2009 Pitchfork Music Festival schedule (so far):


Friday, July 17

"Write the Night: Set Lists by Request"

Built to Spill
The Jesus Lizard
Yo La Tengo
Tortoise


Saturday, July 18

The National
Beirut *
DOOM *
Yeasayer
The Pains of Being Pure at Heart
Fucked Up
Plants and Animals
Matt and Kim
Lindstrøm *
Wavves
Ponytail *
Charles Hamilton
The Duchess and The Duke
Disappears*


Sunday, July 19

The Flaming Lips
Grizzly Bear
M83
The Walkmen
Pharoahe Monch
Blitzen Trapper
Frightened Rabbit *
The Mae Shi *
Black Lips
The Very Best
Mew
Vivian Girls
Japandroids
DJ/Rupture
Women
Dianogah *

* Just added

[drowningmatt]

Plus: There are still many more bands to come.

[JSam67]

Either way, doesn't really matter as long as Chicago has good public transport. Which they might, I dunno. Where do you plan on staying JSam?

I have several friends in Chicago so I'll probably just stay with one of them. Chicago has excellent public transport though. Excited you're going, pancakes!

[pancakespancakes]

Sweet! Then I won't really worry about hostel location. And yeah then I actually might have a free place to stay out there too if a friend of mine is living in Chicago by then, which I don't know for sure yet.

But this is going to be so deliciously inexpensive for me. Not to mention the fest itself is only like 10-20K people. Which is exactly why I am doing Pitchfork instead of Lolla.

Ticket + Airfare + Accomadations = under $400 total trip!

[bmack86]

Hey guys, the hostel I mentioned is actually the Hostelling International location in the Loop. It's decently priced and the rooms have Air Conditioning, which is a definite plus if you don't deal well with heat (like me.)

[suprefan]

IM GOING, BOOKING A FLIGHTAND BUYING MYTICKET WHE I GET HOME

[johnnypolite]

This festival is five times better than Lollapalooza. Are there usually cool aftershows? I'll probably buy my ticket next weekend.

[ShyGuy75]

IM GOING, BOOKING A FLIGHTAND BUYING MYTICKET WHE I GET HOME


AWESOME!!!!!! I AM GOING TO SLAP YOU IN THE FACE WHEN I SEE YOU THERE!!!! IT WILL BE GREAT, DON'T WORRY!


johnnypolite, they don't hand out clues anymore at the airport in chicago, so i suggest you reconsider attending. thanks.

[suprefan]

AWESOME!!!!!! I AM GOING TO SLAP YOU IN THE FACE WHEN I SEE YOU THERE!!!! IT WILL BE GREAT, DON'T WORRY!


johnnypolite, they don't hand out clues anymore at the airport in chicago, so i suggest you reconsider attending. thanks.

Whatever you say.

[shakermaker113]

there's a chance I will be in chicago for work the two days immediately before this. in which case I'd definitely have to add it to my plans... fingers crossed.

[SoulDischarge]

Fuck. Lindstrom. I think I might have to go to this. I know I need to focus on ATP, but $81 three day pass, free lodging with my friend in the city, and only a 6 hour drive is making it pretty hard to pass up.

[JSam67]

I talked myself into it, Patrick, and certainly hope you do the same.

[SoulDischarge]

First I need to talk myself into getting a job.

[bmack86]

I need to avoid this thread. I can't afford it, no matter how much I want to try to convince myself I can.

[SoulDischarge]

We are the voices inside your head and we say DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT.

[pancakespancakes]

DO IT BRIAN DO IT BRIAN DO IT BRIAN

[pancakespancakes]

Fuck. Lindstrom. I think I might have to go to this. I know I need to focus on ATP, but $81 three day pass, free lodging with my friend in the city, and only a 6 hour drive is making it pretty hard to pass up.

Alright, $81 plus gas?! How couldn't you??

6 hours is a hell of a lot of gas though I guess...

[SoulDischarge]

It's really not. The way gas prices are around here, it's like $40 each way. Although there's an extra $20 in tolls between here and Chicago. Maybe Amtrak it. Or Megabus. I just know I'm going to need every dollar I can get for ATP.

[suprefan]

Megabus it!! $1 fares!

[send me ctrpllrs]

I'd love to see Beirut again. There is at least an 80% chance I'm coming back for my second year. I have plenty of money at the moment, I should buy tickets now.

[johnnypolite]

johnnypolite, they don't hand out clues anymore at the airport in chicago, so i suggest you reconsider attending. thanks.

heh

[karma_guy]

beirut and DOOM sealed the deal for me

[hawkingvsreeve]

Saturday, July 18

The National
Beirut *
DOOM *
Yeasayer
The Pains of Being Pure at Heart
Fucked Up
Plants and Animals
Matt and Kim
Lindstrøm *
Wavves
Ponytail *
Charles Hamilton
The Duchess and The Duke
Disappears*

This is on my birthday. BEIRUT, on my fucking birthday. I need to go. I shouldn't go, but I don't think I have a choice.


Adam- Did you figure out if you were going?

Pancakes (what is your actual name)- you are going?

Aaron- Let's hug this shit out.





Oh also,

MEW

[JelloPuddingChat]

God, I want to go so badly. I'm gonna have to check on funds for the next month

[suprefan]

This is on my birthday. BEIRUT, on my fucking birthday. I need to go. I shouldn't go, but I don't think I have a choice.


Adam- Did you figure out if you were going?

Pancakes (what is your actual name)- you are going?

Aaron- Let's hug this shit out.





Oh also,

MEW


Brandon, I am going.

[hawkingvsreeve]

Sweet. Hotel? Hostel?

[suprefan]

Friends place, or relatives place, whichever I choose.

[kreutz2112]

Brandon, I am not going. I am doing ATP NY instead.

[pancakespancakes]

Pancakes (what is your actual name)- you are going?


I am going for sure. Haven't bought any tickets or made any reservations yet but I am 95% in this.

And my actual name is Ryan.






And...

FUCKING MEW IS PLAYING

[ShyGuy75]

fcking beirut, man! i still haven't come down from this news. worst coachella conflict ever for shyguy involved them this year.

what does hugging it out entail?

[hawkingvsreeve]

Whatever feels right.

I really shouldn't go to this though. I need to buy a car.

[ShyGuy75]

a big fat j followed by shots of jaeger chased with whiskey?

but going to this feels soooooo right for you!!!! i mean, its your frickin birthday, man. yes, i sometimes know you better than you know yourself, hawking.

[drowningmatt]

I'm sure we all know this but COS posted this with a Thermals confirm:
AS: And are you planning to do a lot of festivals this year? Or are you not a fan of them?

HH: No we love the festivals, well, I love the festivals.

KF: We’re playing the pitchfork festival in Chicago and then… so far we’re playing some festivals in August in Germany and Poland, so we’ll just see what else comes in and try and play a bunch this summer. (http://www.audioscribbler.co.uk/features/7956)

[rage patton]

Woh.... Beirut, Fucked Up and Yeasayer on the same day?

Ummmm.... HOLY SHIT.

[suprefan]

Woh.... Beirut, Fucked Up and Yeasayer on the same day?

Ummmm.... HOLY SHIT.

Yeah, go, its cheap.

[rage patton]

Im going to Europe this summer, I can't. But wow... this line up kicks ass.

[suprefan]

Yep, thats why Im going.

[PassiveTheory]

Yep, that's why he's emphasizing that he's going.

[JSam67]

Whatever feels right.

I really shouldn't go to this though. I need to buy a car.

You can't really be contemplating skipping our chance to see M83 together, can you?

Also, could anybody give me a tip about where to start familiarizing myself with Mew? I know nothing of them but you guys seem excited.

[hawkingvsreeve]

And the Glass Handed Kites.

Tracks 4-7.

Know it. Love it.




The record before that (Frengers) is good, although a little more pop oriented.

[stinkbutt]

HI my name is Stinkbutt I'm an alcholic

and I will be drunkenly singing/annouyin you at all your favorite sets this weekend

thank you $3 beers P4K

[ThomThom]

Wait a fucking second stinkbutt... $3 beers? Can somebody who has been to this fest shed some light on what kind of beer and alcohol they have and at what prices and whether or not you can walk around with it?

[pancakespancakes]

Hawking hit the nail on the head with Mew.

I'm mostly excited because they're a bit on the rare side. I think.

[drowningmatt]

You have to buy tickets to get food and drink there. I can't remember how many tickets beers were, I'm pretty sure they were cheaper than coach.

[drowningmatt]

They had Goose Island Beers, which were really good. You can walk around the festival with your beer, no beer gardens. I can't remember if there was hard alcohol there or not.

[stinkbutt]

no hard alcohol but they had Sparks :puke

[SoulDischarge]

Does that shit still even exist?

[bmack86]

And they get all the beer from the Goose Island microbrewery in Chicago. I think they had four different types. I remember a hefeweisen, a Pale Ale and an IPA, and there was also a Lager I think. It was 4 bucks last year. You had to get tickets for beer and water and gatorades. Each ticket was 2 bucks, and 2 tickets for beer. Food is done without tickets. You can walk around with beer anywhere, and there are two or three tents that sell it. It's awesome.

[kitt kat]

if i had an endless cash flow, i'd go; but seeing as how i either saw most of these people at coachella, will see them at ATP, or will see them for free throughout LA this summer...it isn't worth it.

[stinkbutt]

actually yes it is the aftershows alone are well worth it

[bmack86]

No Age Flood show is one of the most memorable things I've witnessed

[suprefan]

actually yes it is the aftershows alone are well worth it

which are where btw...


ticket sales alert: Supposedly 3 days are going to sell out by the end of the week, just a early warning.

[Optimistic]

Actually 3-day passes are already sold-out.

[suprefan]

Guess the thought of it selling out got everyone to snag the rest up. There are still 2 day ones left for the weekend.

[shakermaker113]

woah... good to know. I just bought a 2 day pass in case... there's a reasonable chance I will be there for work. I would really like to add this to my summer list.

[stinkbutt]

which are where btw...

theyll come have patience you stupid prick

[bmack86]

Yeah, I went to four awesome aftershows last year. At Boris I was so exhausted I couldn't stand anymore.

[suprefan]

Awesome, so which venues have they had em before? Just around town like Lolla did at Double Door, Metro, HOb etc?

[stinkbutt]

Yeah, I went to four awesome aftershows last year. At Boris I was so exhausted I couldn't stand anymore.

I got way too drunk at that show but we've talked about this before

[kitt kat]

actually yes it is the aftershows alone are well worth it

i'm sure. i just don't have money to throw around for bands i'm already/already have seen this summer. chicago is far.

[suprefan]

So is NY.

[antiskub]

Planning on picking up a 2-day pass and road-tripping from NYC.

[stinkbutt]

Anyone wanna help me pick my sets?

I'm not that familiar with Built To Spill or Yo La Tengo


I hope everyone who votes on the Flaming Lips' set votes all pre Yoshimi

[PassiveTheory]

You lucky bastards ought to vote for "Marching The Hate Machines Into The Sun". I'm almost entirely sure the Flips have never played that song live, and it would be fucking awesome to hear.

[Boourns]

I want to hear their cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody"

[stinkbutt]

No, you don't

you really don't

[SoulDischarge]

I didn't realize Flaming Lips were a voting set? If so, I'm praying for "Jesus Shooting Heroin," "Oh My Pregnant Head," "Slow Nerve Action," "Brainville," "The Spark That Bled," . . . this could go on for a long time.

Oh. And please vote for "Damage" by Yo La Tengo.

[stinkbutt]

I didn't realize Flaming Lips were a voting set?

Pitchfork just announced it today

http://pitchfork.com/news/35258-the-flaming-lips-to-take-requests-for-2009-pitchfork-music-festival-set/


We'll pleased to announce that the Flaming Lips have decided that they will, in fact, take requests during their headlining set at the 2009 Pitchfork Music Festival. On Sunday, July 19, the Lips will play selected songs chosen by fans in the "Write the Night" format. "The Lips are more than glad to be part of 'Write the Night', Wayne Coyne says. "They will do their best to accommodate the wildest and most obscure of request-- covers included." All ticket buyers, including those who have already purchased, will be sent a link via email and have the chance to vote on requests. Hooray!

Ticket buyers can go online and "Write the Night" by voting for the set list of their dreams for the bands performing on Friday night as well. Friday's performers include Built to Spill, Tortoise, Yo La Tengo and the Jesus Lizard. Those who have already purchased a ticket but have yet to vote should be sure to check their purchase confirmation email for a link to the polls. Voting ends June 12.

In other Pitchfork Music Festival news, three-day passes are now sold out! Individual day passes, as well as two-day passes for Saturday and Sunday, are still available but going fast, so don't miss out! Tickets can be purchased right here. For more information, head on over to the Pitchfork Music Festival website.

[mountmccabe]

Anyone wanna help me pick my sets?

I'm not that familiar with Built To Spill

I am not sure how many songs you get to vote for.

If it is five this is what I would recommend
Nowhere Nothin' Fuckup
Car
Out of Site
Fly Around My Pretty Little Miss
Goin' Against Your Mind

If you can go up to 10 add the following
Big Dipper
Untrustable
Carry the Zero
Sidewalk
Conventional Wisdom

And then these too
In the Morning
Distopian Dream Girl
I Would Hurt A Fly
Kicked it in the Sun
The Plan
You Were Right
Strange
Mess With Time

[Boourns]

I wonder if they'd cover "Common People"...I'd go for that.

[SoulDischarge]

That's great, great news. I really need to get my tickets soon now.

[PassiveTheory]

They sold out of the three day, Patrick.

[SoulDischarge]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK K








Oh. I guess I can just get a 2-day and a single. Still blows.

[mountmccabe]

Anyone wanna help me pick my sets?

I'm not that familiar with ...Yo La Tengo

I am only familiar with as far back as 1993's Painful. I might should venture further back because that is my favorite album of theirs.

Also my picks are very much focused on their noisy, extended rockers side.

If you get to pick just five
Sudden Organ
Blue Line Swinger
Sugarcube
Autumn Sweater
Pass the Hatchet I Think I'm Goodkind

If you get to pick more
Big Day Coming
Pablo and Andrea
You Can Have It All
Today Is the Day
Night Falls on Hoboken
Sometimes I don't Get You
The Story of Yo La Tango

[ShyGuy75]

Pitchfork just announced it today

http://pitchfork.com/news/35258-the-flaming-lips-to-take-requests-for-2009-pitchfork-music-festival-set/


holy fck this thing just keeps getting better

[stinkbutt]

I am not sure how many songs you get to vote for.

If it is five this is what I would recommend
Nowhere Nothin' Fuckup
Car
Out of Site
Fly Around My Pretty Little Miss
Goin' Against Your Mind

If you can go up to 10 add the following
Big Dipper
Untrustable
Carry the Zero
Sidewalk
Conventional Wisdom

And then these too
In the Morning
Distopian Dream Girl
I Would Hurt A Fly
Kicked it in the Sun
The Plan
You Were Right
Strange
Mess With Time


Thanks I'll look into these

The way they have it set up is you can put a check next to any song from under any album it doesn't seem like there is a limit on the number of songs.

[suprefan]

Knives Out for The Flaming Lips!

[shakermaker113]

I hope everyone who votes on the Flaming Lips' set votes all pre Yoshimi

yes because nothing on yoshimi is any good at all.

I want to hear their cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody"

No, you don't

I saw them play that and loved it. I also like their cover of war pigs. I really like covers.

Knives Out for The Flaming Lips!

bleh. not that one though. I'd rather see Can't Get You Out Of My Head.

[shakermaker113]

I wonder if we can get them to sing I'm a little teapot.

or an arcade fire song. bwahahaha!

[SoulDischarge]

I want to see them play "Number Of The Beast."

[suprefan]

War Pigs?

[karma_guy]

i want them to do their cover "under pressure" again
they haven't done that in a while

[shakermaker113]

didn't they try and do the dark side of the moon once? man voting for this set is going to be tough.

on that note, I don't really know any of the friday bands and am debating whether I should buy a ticket or not. can someone suggest some records for me to listen to?

[pancakespancakes]

Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On or Keep it Like A Secret have become favorites of mine in the last couple months, the former especially, and they are records that anyone could really enjoy.

The other bands' classics are

Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One
Tortoise - TNT
The Jesus Lizard - Goat

[zenidogx]

FUCK you guys so hard! I hate every single one of you going to this.

Jesus Shootin' Heroin
Be My Head
Take Meta Mars
Bad Days
Turn It On

gahhhhh!!!!



that teaches me to be poor . . . and mexican.

[JSam67]

I can't wrap my head around how cool it is that the FLips are doing this too. This is going to be beyond insane.

[bmack86]

Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On or Keep it Like A Secret have become favorites of mine in the last couple months, the former especially, and they are records that anyone could really enjoy.

The other bands' classics are

Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One
Tortoise - TNT
The Jesus Lizard - Goat

I would say the classics for those three would be:
YLT-Painful
Tortoise-Millions Now Living Will Never Die
The Jesus Lizard-Liar

Those are my personal favorites anyhow.

[SoulDischarge]

Heh. pancakes listed my favorites exactly. Except I never got too into Built To Spill though I have tried.

[suprefan]

Just got my tickets in the mail, woo!!

[rage patton]

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUFKCUFUCK!

The Flamings Lips are letting the fans pick the setlist? Sweet Christ... I REALLY wish I could go to this. God fucking dammit.

[shakermaker113]

I'm curious to see how this works out. are they going to just take the 16 most voted for songs? depending on the demographic that could work out to just be a greatest hits set. but at pitchfork I guess we will have a lot of elitists that will only vote for songs from before they were popular. interesting.

[suprefan]

Soft Bulletin and then covers, thats what it should be.

[bmack86]

I bet because it's pitchfork's crowd, you'll have a song or two from Yoshimi, maybe one song from the newest one, lots of The Soft Bulletin and Transmissions, and at least one from Zaireeka, because it's so goddamn hipster to ask for the weird one.

[SoulDischarge]

"Jesus Shooting Heroin" is my big before-they-were-big-obscure-hipster-super-fan song that I want them to play. But yeah, lots of Transmissions, Clouds Taste Metallic, and Soft Bulletin would be a dream. Although one of my favorites from Clouds, "Lightning Strikes The Postman," is already a staple.

[shakermaker113]

hahah zaireeka. I wonder how they would pull that off.

I'm going to request all of the boombox experiment.

[bmack86]

I can guarantee that the ATP set, were it to be request-based, would be the most ridiculously obscure set. Pitchfork will be close though.

[JSam67]

And the Glass Handed Kites.

Tracks 4-7.

Know it. Love it.

Finally got around to this. Thanks for the recommendation, I'm really loving it! So Mew, looks like they're on Sunday, fuck, that is going to be a day for the ages.

[JSam67]

And I'm really hoping for What is the Light? and A Spoonful Weighs a Ton from the FLips. I've a feeling my choices will be less obscure than many. I still have never heard Yoshimi pt. 2 and have always wished to be crushed by it someday.