Let's discuss noise music.

[SoulDischarge]

Always a contentious genre, I'd say it's a topic ripe for discussion. Is noise music? What value does it have? What goals are trying to be achieved with noise? What separates a good noise artist from a poor one? How far does your appreciation and tolerance for noise extend? How has noise shaped the popular music landscape over time? Is there a strong emotional base in noise music, or is it purely aesthetic and visceral? Are certain types of noise music more effective than others? How should live noise performances be approached?

[bug on your lip]

do i have to answer every one?

[miscorrections]

Cats don't like it very much.

[SoulDischarge]

I forgot to mention that in order to make this thread more obscure and intimidating to neophytes, all responses should be typed in iambic pentameter using Esperanto. Thanks.

[nationocean]

To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells...

also, your noisy bewbs haunt me

[RotationSlimWang]

Let's fucking not.

[TomAz]

En multaj lokoj de Ĉinio estis temploj de drako-reĝo. Dum trosekeco oni preĝis en la temploj, ke la drako-reĝo donu pluvon al la homa mondo. Tiam drako estis simbolo de la supernatura estaĵo. Kaj pli poste, ĝi fariĝis prapatro de la plej altaj regantoj kaj simbolis la absolutan aŭtoritaton de feŭda imperiestro. La imperiestro pretendis, ke li estas filo de la drako. Ĉiuj liaj vivbezonaĵoj portis la nomon drako kaj estis ornamitaj per diversaj drakofiguroj. Nun ĉie en Ĉinio videblas drako-ornamentaĵoj, kaj cirkulas legendoj pri drakoj.

[Aurgasm]

go fuck yourself soul discharge

[SoulDischarge]

OK?

[whynotsmile99]

Let's fucking not.

yea, really

i already have a fucking headache

[Still-ill]

I like it.

[TomAz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/TomAz/101855669.jpg

[mountmccabe]

It's pretty crazy that there are works of art natively in Esperanto. That's my kind of subversion.

[amyzzz]

this thread is a lot better than i thought it'd be.

[pancakespancakes]

Is there a strong emotional base in noise music, or is it purely aesthetic and visceral?

Yes. My attraction to noise music is, pretty much, not musical... it is based on sound design. And wonderfully designed sound can have a great emotional effect on me. But then, bands that are considered "noise rock," like say The Locust, do they really fall into the noise music cagtegory? I don't think so, I'm not sure... but my attraction to them is definitely a musical one. And yet my attraction to their music is purely visceral.

Listening to the Emeralds' new album right now, I'm not sure this is considered noise music, but this has to be one of the prettiest albums of 2009 for sure.

[pancakespancakes]

Oh wait we're not talking about noise music here? Oh okay

[SoulDischarge]

That's another thing that's worth discussing. What qualifies as noise? There's a lot of bands who incorporate noise elements but aren't straight up noise bands. Then there's lots of straight up noise bands that incorporate elements from more traditional forms of music. I find a lot of stuff I gravitate towards works on the tensions between noise and song structure, like no wave, for example. I'm in the mood for pure Merzbow style noise far less. It does seem that there's been a trend for noise bands to become "prettier" lately with stuff like Fuck Buttons and Emeralds. It's a direction I'm enjoying.

[pancakespancakes]

I'm not sure what makes Emeralds/Fuck Buttons/Growing noise music, but it's true that they are very pretty. I just can't think of what it is that makes them noise bands, and yet I'll be the first to call them that.

With bands like The Locust or Melt Banana or Lightning Bolt though, it's the songs themselves that are so noisy... pretty much a disregard for melody, putting the emphasis on abrasiveness.

I love both kinds but I think they are two very distinct genres that do not cross over one another.

[Jman4321]

The interesting album for me right now is Get Color by HEALTH. It, for the most part, has straightforward song structures and to an extent follows fairly predictable progressions and contains discernible repeating parts. However beyond the two singles the rest of the album is made up of shards of noise and over-clocked delay pedal sounds. The framework of a rock album is there but the building materials are made of really ugly pieces of sound. With the vocals on top of it all it turns into a highly digestible noise-rock record.

There's stuff like Fuck Button's music mentioned above that have periods of melody and really warm sounds that move along like a song (newer Black Dice comes to mind) and there's stuff like Prurient who just makes screeching treble with a microphone. The point I'm making is that even at these two polar opposites both of these bands work just on aesthetic for me but do so very well, using somewhat (to completely) formless blasts of sound that draw me into a game of trying to pick out every detail and get entranced by the pulse (if present). This HEALTH album bridges that gap and is really exciting to me because it squeezes what should be stereotypically formless (subtracting many newer bands of course) and squeezing it into an, admittedly a bit tight-fitting at times, frame of reference.

[wmgaretjax]

Always a contentious genre, I'd say it's a topic ripe for discussion. Is noise music? What value does it have? What goals are trying to be achieved with noise? What separates a good noise artist from a poor one? How far does your appreciation and tolerance for noise extend? How has noise shaped the popular music landscape over time? Is there a strong emotional base in noise music, or is it purely aesthetic and visceral? Are certain types of noise music more effective than others? How should live noise performances be approached?

There are lots of questions here. I'd like to attack the one about it being purely aesthetic...

There's lots of explicit emotion in a lot of noise music... Someone like Prurient is the perfect example. Whether it's his performance or the lyrical content, it's hard to deny a strong emotional foundation. Beyond this though, noise certainly has it's roots in sheer aesthetic force (pancakes mentioned listening to it for sound design, which is certainly relevant), but it also can't be denied that some noise music is attempting to build on traditions of musicality. It's impossible to deny this with artists like Yellow Swans who are clearly working with notions of music that even people only acclimated with simple pop can understand. The fact that it's not typically tonal isn't counter to this. Someone like Jason Crumer is another example of a noise artist with serious musical clout.

There is another whole thread in noise that is more about extreme performance than music... descended from hanatarash and the like.

As for what is noise... artists like health, fuck buttons, emeralds etc. certainly are influenced heavily by noise... and i might talk about their music with the term noise in mind, but I would never call them noise in the same way I would the other artists i just mentioned (or merzbow, as patrick said). I also think there are more shades of gray in between things like health and merzbow (bands like Hair Police etc).

[xxxxxxxxxx]

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dri000/i077/i07789cuku1.jpg
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd500/d582/d5828903b2n.jpg
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc600/c607/c6071563677.jpg
Amazing

[amyzzz]

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dri000/i077/i07789cuku1.jpg
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd500/d582/d5828903b2n.jpg
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc600/c607/c6071563677.jpg
Amazing
This is what I was expecting Can to sound like.

[wmgaretjax]

I've never really thought of Einsturzende Neubauten as noise, but I guess they do have some stuff that could be considered as such. I guess the theatricality of it has always stood out to me above anything else. I'd love for someone to do a young'uns, i have all their stuff, but little context for it...

[SoulDischarge]

There are lots of questions here.

Yeah, I guess it was kind of a shitty first post, I just wanted to lay out some grounds for discussion. I meant something more like this:

Noise is a controversial genre of music that a lot of people, including many on this board, have a hard time relating to. So this thread should serve as a place to further the discussion on noise, why it's worthwhile and why it's intimidating, what kind of context it has, and what it's goals and limitations are. It can also be a place where people who do enjoy noise can discuss different styles and bands and etc.


A lot of early industrial (Einsturzende, Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV/Coil, Nurse With Wound, SPK, Cabaret Voltaire, Chrome, Current 93, etc) has a huge overlap with noise, although with varying degrees of songcraft incorporated. While a lot of it isn't straight up power noise, it definitely opened up the path towards it a little more.

I'd like to do a young'uns guide for Einsturzende Neubauten sometime, but I'm not quite familiar with all of their material yet. They've been one of the most consistent bands over the past nearly 30 years; many of their more recent albums are just as good as their early material, although usually a lot less confrontational and a lot more textured. Some of my favorite albums are Kollaps (1981), their debut, Halber Mensch, (1985), Tabula Rasa (1993), especially the last 2 tracks, "Headcleaner I & II", and Silence Is Sexy (2000). Although I haven't heard a weak album from them yet. I think I'm going to have to dedicate some time listening over their discography now.

[wmgaretjax]

I think industrial is a natural entry point into noise, like you've said... As is metal (which was my way in)... So many noise artists came from metal in the first place. The great thing nowadays is that there are plenty of bands that straddle the line at times as well. Bands like Sunn and Boris have great collaborations and one-offs that push their music into the realm of noise.

[Muzikulo]

It's pretty crazy that there are works of art natively in Esperanto. That's my kind of subversion.

Noise music in Esperanto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_music)!


Pichismo @ archive.org (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=pichismo) (free mp3s)


MkceKO5gFHw
d2i7PnKO74A


www.pichismo.narod.ru/English.htm (http://www.pichismo.narod.ru/English.htm)
Pichismo @ Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/music/Pichismo)


:2c :afu

[wmgaretjax]

hahahaha

[miscorrections]

This first post makes me ridiculously happy.

[wmgaretjax]

best first post ever.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

Why is this thread ignored?

[SoulDischarge]

We operate on a board of godless swine.

[Still-ill]

Hah. Well Im certainly in support of this thread... its very hard to articulate (for me at least) whats so great about noise music. It's seems very natural to me, thats all I can come up with when people ask me.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

there was a 5 year period where all I listened to was Noise Music...in fact I moved to Japan to simply be closer to the Japanese noise scene...atomsmasher, Merzbow and his numerous side projects, Pita, etc.

And for the record: I got into Noise music because of MBV.

[SoulDischarge]

It's interesting that Japan is usually the country that sets the standard for noise music. Make up your own theories of repression etc.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

It's interesting that Japan is usually the country that sets the standard for noise music.

Its because they put SOOOO much effort into what they do...it is much more of a spiritual thing there....

[BROKENDOLL]

Noise music in Esperanto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_music)!


Pichismo @ archive.org (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=pichismo) (free mp3s)


MkceKO5gFHw
d2i7PnKO74A


www.pichismo.narod.ru/English.htm (http://www.pichismo.narod.ru/English.htm)
Pichismo @ Last.fm (http://www.last.fm/music/Pichismo)


:2c :afu
You guys can't be serious? And I took shit for being a Disturbed fan? I don't even think I have an aggression level to match this shit! (I do have a killer headache though...)

[wmgaretjax]

After I finish listening to the Pitchfork 500 of 00's, my plan is to tackle the recently released 30 album Hijokaidan boxset. I don't know if I'll make it through in any kind of reasonable amount of time. But there is a lot of live stuff there that I'm curious about given my love of The Incapcitants. I'm interested in buying it because not having context about the performances is frustrating, but I can't even begin to justify the 500 bucks...

[SoulDischarge]

I kind of wish you were writing an essay on the Incapacitants. I downloaded that box and listened to a little bit of it and I don't quite understand they're inclusion on your top ten. I'm curious as to what sets them apart from other noise groups for you. I have a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to power noise. I don't know what qualities separate the good stuff from the bad stuff.

[wmgaretjax]

I kind of wish you were writing an essay on the Incapacitants. I downloaded that box and listened to a little bit of it and I don't quite understand they're inclusion on your top ten. I'm curious as to what sets them apart from other noise groups for you. I have a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to power noise. I don't know what qualities separate the good stuff from the bad stuff.

They are an interesting group for many reasons. They are just a couple normal guys that night as absolutely off the wall noise performers. At the same time, they practice restraint with releases that puts most Japanese noise artists to shame. Rather than released 80 cassettes in a year, they hold back and almost every release is well worth seeking out. At the same time though, this restraint isn't marked by excessive post-production or multi-tracking. It's about that perfect improvised moment or expressive live set.

They are also one of the few noise collaborations to survive this long without resorting to caricatures of their own work. Throughout their entire career they've managed to retain their individual voices and allow them to evolve while the product of their collaboration still manages to challenge and assert itself within their work. Far too many improvisational groups fall into an ebb and flow that isn't interesting... These guys duke it out on stage, never falling victim to routine or habit. Their sound design is unparalleled and they have no issues taking chances (and somehow their recordings seem to imply that they damn near always get it right).

It's aggressive, loud and vicious without the machismo or cliche of so much US noise, and it's not detached into any kind of contrived, obscure experiment. It's like punk rock. There is something incredibly appealing to me about recreational, hobbyist experimental music that has managed to take shape and evolve into what can be considered one of the pinnacles of the genre.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

I kind of wish you were writing an essay on the Incapacitants. I downloaded that box and listened to a little bit of it and I don't quite understand they're inclusion on your top ten. I'm curious as to what sets them apart from other noise groups for you. I have a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to power noise. I don't know what qualities separate the good stuff from the bad stuff.

I almost wished the same....

[humanoid]

I enjoy noise when used sparingly, in minor flourishes. As a genre, I am generally not a fan of noise, but I have found exceptions.

I've always thought I possessed a strong aversion to noise bands, but during further investigation, I have found that to only be partially true. I don't know enough specifics as of yet to comment on any particular performers, but now that I've begun regularly using lala to listen to music, I will continue to explore. There have been a few Merzbow tracks that I have found interesting, songs that don't have that overwhelming white noise quality about them.

I've seen HEALTH live twice now, and I found them to be comical. That type of noise music, I can't seem to understand.

[hendrixfan143]

I like big black does that count

[Muzikulo]

zywT2cEEIkw

:afu

[TomAz]

Wikipedio says Pichismo is writing in Ido, not Esperanto:

Gleb Malcev (Ukrainia), fondis la punk-bando Pichismo. Pichismo kantas en diversa projetita lingui, interaltre Ido.

[Deviate_420]

This thread killed my high..

[xxxxxxxxxx]

If you like noise-rock bands like The Jesus Lizard I highly recommend checking out the new Pissed Jeans album. Might be my favorite album of 2009.

[wmgaretjax]

I love the first KTL record so much. KTL is O'Malley from Sunn O))) and Peter Rehberg (PITA, honcho at Editions Mego). I wish I could have been at the Bastille performances where they actually accompanied the Dennis Cooper/Gisele Vienne theater piece (I got to see Jerk in seattle and it was a trip):

K4DfuaIpl7U

[bmack86]

Are Boredoms included here? Because I love Boredoms, and they can be noisy as fuck.

[wmgaretjax]

the Boretronix tapes definitely qualify as noise.

[SoulDischarge]

ACIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!

[bmack86]

Poliiiiiiiizay!

I'm listening to the ATP bootleg right now. Goddamn, I've not gone through the whole thing yet. That was a show unlike anything else I've ever seen.

[wmgaretjax]

Let's get this thread riled up. Here's a 7" I picked up the other day. Did a rip and thought I'd share. It's fucking gnarly, so be warned... The A side is one of the damnedest things I've heard in a long while.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Gp5g_1tmyS8/SoUZBPdufUI/AAAAAAAABQc/D_QtbjpznIk/s400/free+piano.jpeg
Merzbow + John Wiese - Free Piano (http://www.mediafire.com/?dryozm0mm3t)

[bmack86]

How is it, by your judgment? I'm downloading right now, but I'm interested to hear your take.

[wmgaretjax]

How is it, by your judgment? I'm downloading right now, but I'm interested to hear your take.

The first track is fucking incredible, really crisp. It's exactly what you'd expect given the parties involved. I'm not sure I'd be a huge fan of a whole album of these two nuking it out with this level of intensity. However, the second track is a little more restrained and there is a lot of potential there... I just wish it was a bit more polished, the production ain't too great on that cut (kind of a surprise with Wiese on board and given the first track).

They have an album they did together... Somehow I've not listened to it. That needs to change.

[SoulDischarge]

I haven't been to a noise show in ages (mostly because I've only been to less than 10 non-festival shows all year). I think the last thing I can remember is Wolf Eyes and that has to have been close to a year ago by now. I need to find some good local stuff. I just get nervous driving to Cleveland without car insurance.

[wmgaretjax]

I haven't been to a noise show in ages (mostly because I've only been to less than 10 non-festival shows all year). I think the last thing I can remember is Wolf Eyes and that has to have been close to a year ago by now. I need to find some good local stuff. I just get nervous driving to Cleveland without car insurance.

Lots of badass shit noise-wise in cleveland.

[bmack86]

Last awesome one I saw was Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, although that's debatable as to whether or not it's truly noise. It was fantastic, regardless.

[SoulDischarge]

Lots of badass shit noise-wise in cleveland.

Anything specific I should keep an eye out for? There's some good stuff at this place http://www.myspace.com/nowthatsclass but a lot of it's more garage rock/punk type stuff I think. I'll probably go check out Plastic Crimewave Sound and Terminal Lovers though.

[SoulDischarge]

Listening to this EP makes me realize I've pretty much lost interest in power noise, at least on record. I like the second track a lot more. Shit like the first track is pretty great live, but I don't know, it's too samey on record for me to listen to a lot of it. Some times it feels like if you've heard one Merzbow track, you've heard them all. I know that's not necessarily true, but I guess I just need a bit more texture. That's part of why I like Wolf Eyes so much. They can pull the power noise stunts but usually in the context of more unique sounds and atmospheres, making it more like a well earned climax after several minutes of building and simmering and not quite knowing when it's going to finally explode.

[wmgaretjax]

I think John Wiese saves that Merzbow track. I know that he's the one chopping things up and breaking it apart.

Merzbow's power noise stuff is less interesting than the late 80s/early 90s concrete period. He's brought back the drums with his latest stuff which is nifty... Although it's really hit and miss.

Merzbow post-95 hasn't been very interested with dynamics. So what you are saying makes a lot of sense.

The music lately that has grown out of power noise has been awesome. I guess they are calling it power electronics... But bands like Yellow Tears are absolutely mopping the floor with these old farts. I'll rip one of my records and post it here when I get a chance.

[MassonaBlackEyes]

Merzbow fucking sucks, and this laptop bullshit he's doing just makes him suck even more. Only pretentious assholes could think laptop music is cool. Whoopty fucking doo, he can multi-layer.

[wmgaretjax]

he can multi-layer.

You are clueless.

[MassonaBlackEyes]

You are clueless.

i'm pretty sure merzbow layers multiple tracks when he does his laptop shit


if not then he can get a whole lot louder

[Mr.Nipples]

zywT2cEEIkw

:afu

hahahahahahahahahahaha




ZAFpQzZ_nrU&hl=en&fs=1&

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

Merzbow fucking sucks, and this laptop bullshit he's doing just makes him suck even more. Only pretentious assholes could think laptop music is cool. Whoopty fucking doo, he can multi-layer.

This guy.

[wmgaretjax]

i'm pretty sure merzbow layers multiple tracks when he does his laptop shit


At least there is suggestion in this post that you don't know what you are talking about. A lot of processing involves multiple layers... But you are over simplifying things. Merzbow uses a handful of different techniques that involve algorithmic processing with his digital shit. Some of this processing involves multilayering, others don't. What's not happening is what you are implying, simple layered track playback.

There is a tendency to dismiss laptop music (forget about not caring for Merzbow), but the reality is that a computer can be an instrument. Just like any instrument, it can be used poorly and wonderfully. But it's past the point of simple playback...

[wmgaretjax]

Declawed Yellow Swans tape I picked up the other day:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ddotjtnfnvi

Great stuff.

[SoulDischarge]

Cool. Those guys are always good. Although I always felt slightly disappointed at their shows since they usually only played for 15-20 min.

[wmgaretjax]

Yeah. It was always that way. Although, I went to their last show in Seattle and they stopped at 25... The crowd wasn't going to have it though and wouldn't let them leave (in the round) and they played another 15.

[Alchemy]

I've been wanting to get into noise music, because my friend and I tend to make a lot of what I imagine is considered noise music when we jam out together.

I bought tickets to that thing Courtney mentioned in the Art Thread. This is probably another good place to post it:

A Fantastic World Superimposed on Reality: A Select History of Experimental Music
The Gramercy Theater
127 E. 23rd Street
Friday, November 20 - Saturday, November 21, 8:00pm

A mini-festival of noise music curated by visual artist Mike Kelley. Born in a suburb of Detroit in 1954, Mike Kelley was brought up with the city’s music scene, which spawned bands such as Iggy and the Stooges and MC5. In 1973, Kelley formed his own band, the now seminal Destroy All Monsters. “A Fantastic World” continues Kelley’s continued interest in musical subcultures and focuses specifically on avant-garde music and sound art that employs elements such as cacophony, dissonance, and atonality.

JOAN LA BARBARA, JOHN CAGE, TONY CONRAD, DESTROY ALL MONSTERS, JAD FAIR & LUMBEROB, FRED FRITH, FLUXUS, ARTO LINDSAY, MAX NEUHAUS, GENESIS BREYER P.ORRIDGE, STOCKHAUSEN, Z’EV, THURSTON MOORE AND RYAN SAWYER, CHRISTIAN MARCLAY AND SHELLEY HIRSCH, JOHN DUNCAN, JOHN ZORN AND MORE.

Staged over two days, the festival will present both historic works from artists such as John Cage, Fred Frith, Fluxus, Bruce Nauman, and Max Neuhaus as well as performances by contemporary proponents of experimental music including Airway, Joan La Barbara, Tony Conrad, Jad Fair & Lumberob, Arto Lindsay, Genesis Breyer P.Orridge, z’ev, and John Zorn.

Curated by Mike Kelley. Organized and co-curated with Mark Beasley. Produced and presented by Performa.

Nov. 20 and Nov. 21, 6pm – midnight

Tickets: $30 One Day / $50 Both Days / $25 Performa Members One Day / $40 Performa Members Both Days

[JebusLives]

Why does this always become a discussion about Merzbow? Merzbow is an artist, not a musician.

Noise in music, to me, is analogous to spicy food. A layer of noise adds texture and complexity which can be savoured long after the melodies run out of steam.

In shoegaze specifically, a sweet innocent melody coming out of a vast angry cacaphony of noise is sometimes heartwrenching, and universally symbolic.

I also just really like the sound a jazzmaster makes when pushed through an overdriven tube amp.

[jgonen]

best noise i've heard in a while. They also put on a great show...

http://www.myspace.com/religiousgirls

[wmgaretjax]

Merzbow is an artist, not a musician

Clarify this. First, he plays traditional instruments in many of his releases... Second, are you asserting that what he releases should not be considered music?

I ask because I'm not really sure what you are getting at.

Also, you should check out the Yellow Swans cassette I posted. Their music resonates with me in a way that is similar to shoegaze.

[JebusLives]

Clarify this. First, he plays traditional instruments in many of his releases... Second, are you asserting that what he releases should not be considered music?


If there is no rhythm, no key, and no real notes, it isn't music in my mind. It is sound. A child banging on a piano isn't music. A jet airplane taking off isn't music. Mixing the afformentioned on a laptop in order to evoke a particular emotional response is an audio performance, but it isn't music.

That's just my opinion.

I will check out your link as soon as I get home!

[SoulDischarge]

So you wouldn't consider Brian Eno's ambient work as music either?

[Still-ill]

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/images/stories/fruit/rintro/warp-aphextwin.jpg
Let it be known that this is no longer classified music.

[Still-ill]

To avoid confusion
*Vol. 1 (85-92) is still classified as music because there is a discernible beat and Melody.

[SoulDischarge]

That's one of my favorite non-albums to unlisten to.

[JebusLives]

A lot of that stuff is actually in a key. Notes exist. Chord progressions resolve occasionally to reward the listener.

Anyway I agree it is a fine line, and there is no real reason to argue over different case studies because... who gives a fuck?

[wmgaretjax]

A lack of constant tempo or rhythm does not mean that there isn't rhythm at all. Arhythm isn't non-ryhthm. But yeah. Who give a fuck. That's not a question. Because I said so.

[JebusLives]

So, anyone heard any good noise bands lately? Doesn't autolux have something coming out?

...

or are we just talking about the really pretentious stuff?

[bmack86]

doesn't have to be the "pretentious" stuff.

I got my Boredoms 7" today. Jared, we're gonna do a trade methinks. I'll bring that up if you can get me a good rip of the Boretronix vinyl you have. Because these two tracks are absolutely monstrous good times.

[wmgaretjax]

Yo. I found a rip of it somewhere earlier yesterday. The b side is monstrous. I love it. But I already have a rip of the boretronix vinyl I just need to cut up. I'll get it to you. I also have rips of the first 3 boretronix cassettes that I can get to you. Fuck, I can post all of that in this thread. It's severely limited, out of print, non copyrighted stuff anyway.

[pancakespancakes]

Funny, I actually just listened to Yellow Swans for the first time ever last week. I had downloaded them a long time ago but for whatever reason never wanted to listen until just now. I guess I just thought they wouldn't be my thing. Turns out they fucking are.

[wmgaretjax]

Check out At All Ends, Descension, and Psychic Secession.

[TallGuyCM]

Jared/bmack - either of you ever see them live?

[wmgaretjax]

Jared/bmack - either of you ever see them live?

Yellow Swans or Boredoms? I've seen both. Yellow Swans many times. Boredoms once on the last full US tour and then again at ATP. Both experiences were pretty much life changing.

[bmack86]

I never saw Yellow Swans, but I've now seen Boredoms 5 times, 2 of them Boadrum sets.

[wmgaretjax]

really pretentious stuff?

Ha ha. The whole straight noise scene is built on distributing shitty cassette tapes (i just picked one up one that is "Top Arab Hits" spray painted over). There are CDRs too now, but still shitloads of tapes. And it's just dudes fucking around with electronics and instruments and dubbing tapes over and over and painting or printing hand made sleeves. It's about as far from pretentious as it gets.

[TallGuyCM]

Yellow Swans or Boredoms? I've seen both. Yellow Swans many times. Boredoms once on the last full US tour and then again at ATP. Both experiences were pretty much life changing.

That's awesome. And yeah I meant Yellow Swans.

[wmgaretjax]

Yeah. Most of the times I saw them were smaller house/warehouse shows... Almost always in the round. Generally they played stuff that was in the vein of whatever current album they were working on, but not really specific songs. Generally it was only two maybe three songs, but it was always pretty loud and epic. Just a mound of equipment including a few drum machines and a tape machine... Then a couple guitars and microphones with them just bouncing between different shit.

I actually got to see Pete Swanson do a set a few weeks back. It was tape machine, sampler, guitar and vocals. Very yellow swansish... Not quite as full, but still a lot of fun.

[TallGuyCM]

Check out At All Ends, Descension, and Psychic Secession.

Wow, At All Ends is really excellent. Thanks for the recommendation Jared.

[TallGuyCM]

I actually got to see Pete Swanson do a set a few weeks back. It was tape machine, sampler, guitar and vocals. Very yellow swansish... Not quite as full, but still a lot of fun.

How would one even go about finding where and when he's playing?

[wmgaretjax]

Glad you like it.

It's not quite so simple finding out about these shows. For SF there are a couple calendars out there that people contribute to for all the low key shows. I'm sure there is something like it for the LA area. Also, just tracking down one or two venues that have noise/experimental shows and asking the people who do booking about good places to find out about the shows.

[cansei de ser sexme]

I bravely dove head first into the challenge of noise music when this thread was created. Before this thread I basically had no knowledge of this stuff. In the week or so that I have been searching around I can say that there has been some some really interesting stuff, to some pretty dull stuff (at least to me)

I dont really know where Boredoms stand in this but I just started listening to them in the last couple weeks and love it.

I like a couple Merzbow tracks, but not most of them.

I downloaded the Yellow Swan thing wmgaretjax put on here and really enjoyed the first track so I downloaded at all ends earlier today, but haven't given it enough listens to judge.

I feel like I should see some of these shows to get a real feel for what this is all about.

thanks for creating this thread!

[wmgaretjax]

The tape I uploaded is not the best place to start with YS, definitely check out the albums I mentioned before.

If the harsher stuff vibes with any of y'all, but you get bored with Merzbow... Definitely check out the whole American Tapes/Hanson Records crew. Wolf Eyes and Hair Police being the most prominent. From there the stuff tones down a little bit with Aaron Dilloway's solo stuff, Graveyards free jazz shit and the like. There is a lifetime of music in those tapes, many can be tracked down on various MP3 blogs (nonotfunnotno DOT blogspot DOT com).

[wmgaretjax]

Boredoms 7" Bryan was talking about:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zyiummnv3nt

Boretronix LP:
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmxdmdiwnmu

As best I can tell, the Boretronix LP is a bizarre compilation of stuff from the Boretronix tapes, but I swear I hear stuff in there that isn't in the tapes. Discogs says it's bootleg, but the dude at Aquarius I talked to says it was done by eye. Who knows... The 7" is outtakes from the tapes I believe.

[SoulDischarge]

The Smell is actually a really great place for noise in L.A. I saw Yellow Swans several times there and they had tons of noise nights. Some times No Age would play a noise set during those. This small place in east Hollywood off Santa Monica Blvd called Il Corral had a lot of noise shows too. I have no idea if it still exists.

[Still-ill]

Wow, At All Ends is really excellent. Thanks for the recommendation Jared.

"Mass Mirage" is fucking great. That was the song that really clicked in for me and got me in to Yellow Swans.

[Courtney]

The Smell is actually a really great place for noise in L.A. I saw Yellow Swans several times there and they had tons of noise nights. Some times No Age would play a noise set during those. This small place in east Hollywood off Santa Monica Blvd called Il Corral had a lot of noise shows too. I have no idea if it still exists.

I think once, a long time ago, I posted a thread on this message board asking if anyone knew what Il Corral was. But no one responded. And then I went and saw Wolf Eyes there anyway and it was awesome. But then Il Corral shut down and everything moved to Pehrspace. And then Zero-Point opened briefly but then it got shut down too.

Good story, right?

[Drinkey McDrinkerstein]

Il Corral was a fucking weird spot. A death metal band I know used to play there all the time, usually playing with noise acts

And the Smell is where i discovered noise for the first time, about 10 years ago

[bmack86]

Pehrspace is pretty cool, but they don't do as much noise as Il Corral used to.

[stinkbutt]

Could someone throw me some suggestions of noise bands that use at least a somewhat coherent rhythm not just noise for the sake of being noise?

[bmack86]

check out Merzbuddha by Merzbow..

[wmgaretjax]

Could someone throw me some suggestions of noise bands that use at least a somewhat coherent rhythm not just noise for the sake of being noise?

Have you ever been into jazz? Check out some free jazz stuff. There are two primary origins of noise music (outside of the really fucking obscure). One is free jazz, and the other is futurism and everything that followed there.

I've introduced a few people to noise through Albert Ayler and Ornette Coleman, because the descent into noise is pretty tangible.

That said. Bryan's suggestion is great. Some of Wolf Eyes stuff has pretty steady rhythm (maybe Burned Mind?). Hair Police have that covered to an extent as well. Fuck Buttons are a current example of a much more concise convergence between noise and electronic pop. Their music is pretty superficial though.

[bmack86]

Or the Boretronix record that Jared just upped. It's so badass.

[SoulDischarge]

Wolf Eyes is definitely a good starting point. Burned Mind, Dread, Dead Hills, Slicer, and Mugger are some good ones by them.

Since you like Throbbing Gristle, industrial is probably another good starting point. Most early industrial had a lot of overlap with noise. Bands you might want to check out besides the whole Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV/Coil axis are Einsturzende Neubauten, S.P.K, Cabaret Voltaire, Test Dept., Foetus, Chrome, Current 93, Nurse With Wound, Controlled Bleeding, :zoviet*france:, Laibach, Clock DVA. A lot of those bands aren't outright noise groups, but they use a lot of elements and techniques that are noise related. There's also Whitehouse, which is more hilarious than actually good to me (sample lyrics "hungry for pain! hungry for pain! the agony! the ecstasy! THE AGONY! THE ECSTASY).

The Japanese make a lot of noise too. Aube is pretty cool. A lot of his releases have a certain theme that he builds his samples out of, like a heartbeat or sound of water or the sound of ripping pages out of a Bible.

[Drinkey McDrinkerstein]

I have a feeling Stinkbutt is already aware of this, but Boris With Merzbow - ROCK DREAM is fucking amazing

I'd echo what SD just said about industrial as well. Defintiely look into PIGFACE, which is a huge collaborative project helmed by Martin Atkins that at some point features just about every notable figure in the industiral/EBM scene

[BROKENDOLL]

To be fair and openminded, I checked out WolfEyes...
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And I get harrassed for DISTURBED? You gotta be fucking kidding me!

[wmgaretjax]

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better audio. better video. half way through is where it gets good.

All of Patrick's suggestions were great... Although almost every artist he mentioned has an overwhelming catalog that can be very daunting.

[BROKENDOLL]

I'm not sure I'm gonna make it to the 1/2 way point.

[BROKENDOLL]

Okay. Trying to be fair here. There was a best part there? My first reaction and thought was, " It's nice to know that even people with severe personality disorders have a chance at stardom." And that's coming from some out in left field, okay? I'll check afew more before I make the final call between dancing with adults and their pacifiers, or banging my head against a wall while stabbing my cat...how's that?

[TommyboyUNM]

Does anybody in this thread give a shit if you like noise music in the first place?

[stinkbutt]

I do like free Jazz Jared and thank you for the names and suggestions. Thanks Patrick for all the suggestions although I already knew a decent handful of them. I didn't care for Wolf Eyes before but those youtubes are great.

I want to get into noise more but things like Merzbow can be a bit much. I really enjoy Boredoms, Acid Mothers Temple (don't know if they count), Fuck Buttons, and maybe it's a bit to ambient to be considered noise but To Kill a Petty Bourgeoisie. I also love all the noise stuff Mike Patton does with Zu and John Zorn and cats like that so if anyone knows something up that alley let me know.

[Still-ill]

Are you guys sure Wolf Eyes is the best starting point? It's a little harsh... I had to ease my way in to them.

[SoulDischarge]

Well. Wolf Eyes have a LOT of material. Some of it is really really harsh and some of it is pretty accessible, for noise anyway. It's just finding the right releases.

[Young blood]

Is this thread strictly for noise bands? Is it going to veer into sub-genres?

[Drinkey McDrinkerstein]

Noise is not exactly a genre known for accessibility. I think it either clicks with you or it doesn't (i'm generalizing heavily, I know)

[SoulDischarge]

Sub-genres are fine. It's just a place for discussion about noise related shit. A lot of what I listen to is more noise influenced than straight up noise anyway.

[Drinkey McDrinkerstein]

OH, venues that are great for live noise shows in CA:

Echo Curio in Echo Park
The Pharoah's Den in Riverside

A buddy of mine has been embedding himself well into the noise scene over the last couple years. He puts out a lot of casette releases

he releases a shitload of stuff all over the spectrum of noise. he goes be Endomentrium Cuntplow if you're interested in something newish

http://www.myspace.com/endometriumcuntplow

[Still-ill]

Well. Wolf Eyes have a LOT of material. Some of it is really really harsh and some of it is pretty accessible, for noise anyway. It's just finding the right releases.

That may be true. What I first heard from them seemed really harsh and then I tried other things and began to really like it. I need to listen to those first couple albums I attempted again, to see if they still seem as rough as they did then.

[wmgaretjax]

Also... I think artists like Fennesz and Tim Hecker are great places to start... Their stuff may be a little more melodically grounded, but are frequently drenched in noise. The harsh stuff isn't always the best. Wolf Eyes have some pretty low key stuff, mostly on cassettes, that is more atmospheric than aggressive.

Also, No Wave is also incredibly important in thinking about how noise relates to popular music. Especially artists like DNA and Mars.

Also, I'll continue to post random tapes and 7"s if people care from a variety of styles and genres. If I post something and you like it, say so and I can think of other artists and the like...

[SoulDischarge]

Good points. Tim Hecker makes some fucking gorgeous noise. And No Wave definitely helped get me into noise a lot. Check out the works of Von Lmo. He did a great single as Red Transistor, "Not Bite/We're Not Crazy" then started making a bunch of spaced out noise/metal/funk stuff. Julian Cope did a review on his Head Heritage site, which has tons of great recommendations for out there music (don't be fooled by the Van Halen and Kiss entries).

[wmgaretjax]

Here's an untitled cassette by C Spencer Yeh and Taiga Remains. It's got the violin as you might expect and lots of eeriness.

http://www.mediafire.com/?om3rj1mjijd

C Spencer Yeh is the genius behind Burning Star Core. He works a lot with John Wiese and is notorious for putting on an absolutely badass show. He plays at the Art Damage Lodge a lot (and coincidentally, this tape was recorded there).

Don't know much about Taiga remains other than I've liked everything I've heard and he's put out a release on most of the good labels.

[wmgaretjax]

Oh. And if anyone in LA is looking for anything to do on Halloween. Pedestrian Depot (AKA Emaciator), Acre, Work/Death and others are playing the smell. I'm actually going to this same show in SF tomorrow.

[orbit]

don't forget the other hecker, florian. check out sun pandamonium and his work with yasunao tone, palimpsets.

[wmgaretjax]

Fuck yeah. His Ircam stuff with Russell Haswell is some of the craziest shit I've ever heard.

[orbit]

i remember reading the description in haswellstudio for the blackest ever black release and getting all excited for the upic system thing. then after listening to the album, couldn't help but to wonder what the fuck was that.

loved it.

[dorkfish]

Gabe and I were talking about Emeralds today. It was really confusing, because I thought he meant The Emeralds (from Japan) at first, then his description led me to Emeralds (Seattle). Then he told me that it's Emeralds (Ohio), and showed me YouTube videos. Fantastic stuff.

[wmgaretjax]

i remember reading the description in haswellstudio for the blackest ever black release and getting all excited for the upic system thing. then after listening to the album, couldn't help but to wonder what the fuck was that.

loved it.

Yeah. That's what I was referring to. UPIC was a synthesis instrument created by Xenakis. IRCAM in Paris has one of the original computers, and that's what they used for the album. Seriously ghetto, but they used it to great effect.

[wmgaretjax]

http://www.vimeo.com/7324962

[wmgaretjax]

Fans of Emeralds should take the plunge and listen to Acre.

[BROKENDOLL]

Does anybody in this thread give a shit if you like noise music in the first place?
Apparently you seem to have an issue with it. (BTW...What happened to that "trying to be nice" bullshit you were mentioning a short time back?) If belittling every post of mine is an example, you're failing in your nice attempt, just sayin'...

[BROKENDOLL]

Honestly, because of my taste for Disturbed, Rammstein, Rob Zombie, I figured I'd check out how much difference there was between that and this noise music...I'm still checking after the last few posts of recommendations, and I apologize for dragging bullshit from others in here with me, guys. :rolleyes

[stinkbutt]

More noise please? I like this Boretronix and Merzbow & John Weise

[wmgaretjax]

Your wish...

http://www.mediafire.com/?zyhzimnrnyx

Robedoor is a duo that includes Britt Brown. Britt runs Not Not Fun, but this tape is on Monorail Trespassing (run by the guy from Emaciator and Pedestrian Deposit)... NNF great label that puts out lots of fun weird stuff. His wife is in Pocahaunted. This is a newish tape by them. If you like this (sorry it's OOP from the label, but might be floating around out there), you should buy their new LP Raiders on NNF.

This is less straight noise, more droney but with loads of subtle feedback and distortion.

[pancakespancakes]

Thanks for that Robedoor link. I've been looking for some stuff of their's that isn't Endlessly Blazing for a while. I thought they were an amazing live band when I saw them but their recorded stuff wasn't doing nearly as much. Really look forward to hearing this one.

[stinkbutt]

Can someone suggest a good place to start with Foetus?

[SoulDischarge]

I started a thread about him http://www.coachella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31959 . Check out those YouTubes, and if you dig any of those songs, I'd recommend getting the albums from which they came from. Let me know if you need any more recommendations.

[iGz89]

does Abe Vigoda count as noise music because i keep seeing them tagged as noise.

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[wmgaretjax]

They definitely have some noisy shit. Works for me.

[gaypalmsprings]

I thought this thread was about Arcade Fire.

[wmgaretjax]

Bumped with a Wolf Eyes tape I picked up from this year:

http://www.mediafire.com/?qwmmd2mntyt

[bmack86]

Dude, Jared, I'm listening to And Still, Wanting for the first time in a long time. What a masterwork.

[wmgaretjax]

Yeah. There are three essential Prurient releases in my mind. That one. Cocaine Death. and Rose Pillar. Rose Pillar is the mildest of them, but it's a pretty succinct musical statement.

[wmgaretjax]

Jim Haynes - Eraldus/Eravaldus - http://www.mediafire.com/?o2zmg92p6yw

Can't vouch for the quality of this vinyl rip... Haven't listened to it. But I'm spinning this right now and it's fantastic. Restrained and really tense stuff. I saw Jim play at On Land festival this year and he was one of the best acts hands down. Definitely pulling from people like Parmegiani to great effect.

[wmgaretjax]

LA folks:

Sat. November 14th at The Smell

Sun Araw
Wet Hair (Iowa City, IA)
Talk Normal (Brooklyn, NY)
Sun Circle (Burlington, VT)

Saturday December 12th at The Smell

Sound From:
POCAHAUNTED
JAMES FERRARO (member of the Skaters)
MARK MCGUIRE (member of Emeralds)
VODKA SOAP (member of the Skaters)
MIRROR TO MIRROR

[TallGuyCM]

LA folks:

Sat. November 14th at The Smell

Sun Araw
Wet Hair (Iowa City, IA)
Talk Normal (Brooklyn, NY)
Sun Circle (Burlington, VT)

Saturday December 12th at The Smell

Sound From:
POCAHAUNTED
JAMES FERRARO (member of the Skaters)
MARK MCGUIRE (member of Emeralds)
VODKA SOAP (member of the Skaters)
MIRROR TO MIRROR

Nice, thanks man.

[wmgaretjax]

I would endorse either show. But the December show in particular should be incredible... I'm not a huge fan of Pocahaunted live, but everyone else should rock the place.

[TallGuyCM]

I would endorse either show. But the December show in particular should be incredible... I'm not a huge fan of Pocahaunted live, but everyone else should rock the place.

Especially Mark from Emeralds. Not familiar with the Skaters...any particular albums of theirs you'd recommend?

[wmgaretjax]

Especially Mark from Emeralds. Not familiar with the Skaters...any particular albums of theirs you'd recommend?

oh god... skaters have a pretty broad discography for a newer band... lots of side projects and solo releases. Physicalities Of The Sensibilites Of Ingrediential Strairways, Talking Head, and the Untitled CDR on American Tapes are all good.

James Ferraro has put out a shit ton of stuff this year (like 30 releases) and I can't even begin to try and evaluate what I've managed to put together.

Regardless of the impressions you get on album, they are a force live (I've only seen Skaters and Ferraro solo though).

And side note, Mark's new LP is gorgeous. Far from the Emeralds stuff though, bedroom guitar music.

[casey]

oooh noise music...a genre of which i love what i know and wish i knew more about. i will delve into this thread thoroughly starting today. :)

[Dale Gribble]

oooh noise music...a genre of which i love what i know and wish i knew more about. i will delve into this thread thoroughly starting today. :)

Haha I remember sending you an album a few months ago. Didn't get a response though. I assumed you didn't like it. :)

[wmgaretjax]

Work/Death - Contained in Proper Place Names

This tape was put out by Monorail Trespassing earlier this year. Monorail Trespassing is run by Jonathan Borges of Emaciator and Pedestrian Deposit. The last batch of cassettes released by the label was fucking stellar, and this tape is no exception.

I saw Work/Death a few weeks back and I walked away really curious about his released material. The set was a bit spastic and uncontrolled, but had some really poignant moments. This tape was not at all what I expected. It's really straight forward and honed, I'm excited to track down more releases by him.

http://www.mediafire.com/?g3znmwxwznd

Grouper/Xela - Tsuiki No Seika Vol. 1

New 7" from Root Strata's four part series using only the human voice. Really gorgeous drone.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nzyg20dy1ym

Yellow Swans - Draught

Really incredible 7" from this duo from 2005. Inca Ore, the Jackie-O Motherfucker guy, Jamie Stewart, and the Dead Science guy all guest.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mihnyqyhdyg

[TallGuyCM]

Many thanks!

[wmgaretjax]

Here's something a little harsher than the last few... K2 is Kimihide Kusafuka... And he's probably one of the most notable noise projects out of Japan (personally I'd put him third behind Merzbow and the Incapacitants). He is nothing if not consistent. His style is largely dominated by cut ups and splices. His most recent work (1/2 of this album included) utilize stereo in an incredibly aggressive manner, with two entirely independent channels of harsh cut-ups going on at once. This is Target to Nowhere... From this year. It was limited to 100 copies, but that doesn't mean it's not substantial... in my opinion it's probably the best harsh noise release of the year.

http://www.mediafire.com/?0n1yjmweywm

[casey]

Haha I remember sending you an album a few months ago. Didn't get a response though. I assumed you didn't like it. :)

wait, which album did you send me? i can't remember. tell me and i will tell you what i did/didn't like about it. i'm sorry i never got back to you! i very may well have not liked the album, but i love to see noise bands live, so usually when i get a noise album i listen to it with the intent to figure out if i can/want to see them live. i guess i'm weird.

oh, and skaters is really good live for those who were talking about them earlier this month. i've seen them a few times in SF and they always put on a great show.

[wmgaretjax]

New Xela tape on Digitalis: http://www.zshare.net/download/687183181647fe4d/

sold out at the source... a couple distros might still have it.

[wmgaretjax]

Dialing In - The Islamic Bomb

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pf3z1h

Solo artist from Seattle. This is the noise/drone project that resulted from lots of recordings she took while in Pakistan. Fucking excellent.

[Still-ill]

Oh Xela, I really liked the split with Grouper. I'll check that one out.

[wmgaretjax]

Before this tape arrived today, I never would have thought it would end up in this thread...

Keith Fullerton Whitman - Hallicrafters, Inc. (http://www.mediafire.com/?xzenmo20mgr)

It's been a wonderfully prolific year for KFW. 4 releases this year when he'd only had that many in the 3 years before it. Both Dreamhouse Variations and Taking Away were sublime affairs, mellow and gorgeous. The split with Giffoni took some of the single instrument chaos that was on his Bogan Apocalypse tape from a few years back... Not harsh, but definitely with some noisier moments.

This tape is a whole different ballgame. The first side is undoubtedly a musique concrete affair. It's hard to describe it, but it's definitely noisy and fun. Apparently the whole thing was run through his suitcase module he's been working on for a while in tandem with an iphone running a com64 emulator. Good times.

[wmgaretjax]

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z26/wmgaretjax/Untitled8FD473E1.jpg

[wmgaretjax]

Merzbow - E-study: http://www.mediafire.com/?1m0twed3ze4

If all you've heard is the new stuff... This early 80s reissue will take you by surprise.

[TallGuyCM]

Nice...thanks for always bumping this thread with stuff like that. I'd sorely miss it if you stopped!

[Gonshman]

Once I get my computer back I'll download all the stuff I missed. I am actually getting into some of the C. Spencer Yeh stuff.

[wmgaretjax]

Nice. In case you didn't know, CSY also is behind the revolving lineup of Burning Star Core.

[Gonshman]

Nice. In case you didn't know, CSY also is behind the revolving lineup of Burning Star Core.

Yeah, I have Challenger from when you were MLBMOTW.

[wmgaretjax]

Secret Abuse - Craftsman's Rhythm (http://www.mediafire.com/?g30nzzzqzjn)

really small pressed lathe i fortunately got a hold of. the first thing from 2010 that i've absolutely fallen in love with. blissed out guitar drones with some textural field recordings holding it all together.

[wmgaretjax]

LA peeps. lineup of the year:

tuesday, january 12:

pale blue sky
cloaked light
rale
infinite body
pedestrian deposit
earn
mirror to mirror

at echo curio | 1519 sunset, echo park / los angeles
8:30-ish | $5 | massive merch table

[SoulDischarge]

I thought of starting a separate thread, but I'll err on the side of thread conservation. I need more great noise rock/punk in my life. Think: Scratch Acid, Big Black, Shellac, Six Finger Satellite, Jesus Lizard, Brainiac, Lake Of Dracula, Birthday Party, Giddy Motors, Pussy Galore, early Boredoms, Killdozer, etc.

Also, any good blogs or podcasts or anything like that would work too.

[stinkbutt]

Black Elk and Future of the Left remind me of the Jesus Lizard at times, maybe worth your time

[bmack86]

I thought of starting a separate thread, but I'll err on the side of thread conservation. I need more great noise rock/punk in my life. Think: Scratch Acid, Big Black, Shellac, Six Finger Satellite, Jesus Lizard, Brainiac, Lake Of Dracula, Birthday Party, Giddy Motors, Pussy Galore, early Boredoms, Killdozer, etc.

Also, any good blogs or podcasts or anything like that would work too.

I was going to suggest Giddy Motors and then saw them there. This post is worthless.

[orbit]

i like pissed jeans' first album, shadow. loud and ugly. it reminds me of killdozer at times. their other 2 albums, hope for men and king of jeans are quite decent but shallow is still my favorite.

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and check flipper's generic flipper, if you haven't already. a classic.

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last giddy motors album was pretty good. did they ever play in the us after their 2003 tour? also i just found out a few days ago that todd are playing sxsw.

[Raptor Clinton]

LA peeps. lineup of the year:

tuesday, january 12:

pale blue sky
cloaked light
rale
infinite body
pedestrian deposit
earn
mirror to mirror

at echo curio | 1519 sunset, echo park / los angeles
8:30-ish | $5 | massive merch table

Holy shit that's tonight! I totally forgot! I told my friends I'd be there and everything! Nononononono! And I don't even have $5!

Are you going?

EDIT: By the way, Infinite Body's new album is really great, if you don't already have it.

[wmgaretjax]

I live in SF, but was in Seattle when the bay area shows went down. severely bummed. i agree about Infinite Body's new one. Got to see him a couple of months back and he absolutely destroyed.

I was really looking forward to seeing Earn, I've been in love with the tapes that he has released this year.

[TallGuyCM]

Decisions, decisions. I haven't ever heard of any of those bands, but I especially trust people's advice in this thread. But I gotta be up at 7am and drive to fucking Merced.

Worthwhile?

[wmgaretjax]

if you like the more melodic drone stuff... most of that lineup will really appeal to you... Pedestrian Deposit will probably have some harsher sections, but they'll probably also play last.

i say go... the show won't go super late anyway. most acts will only play 20ish minutes.

if you do... ask Earn (short bearded dude who will undoubtedly be at the merch table) if he has a mailing list for his label Ekhein... I will be indebted for you forever.

[bmack86]

Goddamnit, this should be tomorrow. I don't have a car today.

[pancakespancakes]

Never seen/heard of any of those folks except for Earn. Infinite Body sounds interesting.

In other similarly-named artists of a similar genre, I really really dig Infinity Window's new one Artificial Midnight. Really soft, beautiful drones, with occasional spacey synths... its a side project of the guy from Oneohtrix Point Never and it's in a similar vein... not necessarily noise, but it relates to this thread. I recommend it.

[wmgaretjax]

the other guy from Infinity Window works under the title Prehistoric Blackout. Good stuff as well.

here is infinite body:
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[TallGuyCM]

It's tempting, but I'm gonna pass on the show tonight. Thanks for the info though, Jared.

[Weatherman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWBRLydvLJ0

gg

[wmgaretjax]

hahahaha.

[Raptor Clinton]

If anybody ends up going, please to be post recap afterwards, yes?

I'm sure everyone here is familiar with Twinsistermoon/ Isengrind/ Natural Snow Buildings already? If they ever played Coachella I would probably just stop living out of sheer contentment.

[wmgaretjax]

yeah... don't count on it.

[Raptor Clinton]

Yeah, I know. Are they even real people?

[wmgaretjax]

nope:
http://vimeo.com/6687790

btw: love the avatar.

[Mr.Nipples]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWBRLydvLJ0

gg



this pleases me

[Raptor Clinton]

nope:
http://vimeo.com/6687790

btw: love the avatar.

Well, that just proves it.

btw: Thanks! Point-and-click linear-story-line logic-based puzzle-solving RPGs = my childhood.

[wmgaretjax]

heard word that andrew fenlon (http://www.myspace.com/andyflop) was on american idol. what the fuck? fucking hysterical.

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[boxofbox]

heard word that andrew fenlon (http://www.myspace.com/andyflop) was on american idol. what the fuck? fucking hysterical.

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This is excellent in so many ways!

[PotVsKtl]

heard word that andrew fenlon (http://www.myspace.com/andyflop) was on american idol. what the fuck? fucking hysterical.

This guy have any releases? Having trouble finding anything.

[wmgaretjax]

not that i know of. he does lots of improvisatory music... plays trombone.

[dorkfish]

The best was that they were hyping that clip up as the "can't miss" part of the episode in the weeks prior to the show airing.

[PotVsKtl]

not that i know of. he does lots of improvisatory music... plays trombone.

Eh.. what's the stuff on his MySpace? Doesn't sound particularly improvisatory nor tromboney.

[wmgaretjax]

Eh.. what's the stuff on his MySpace? Doesn't sound particularly improvisatory nor tromboney.

dunno. i saw him perform in the context of an improvisatory trio.

however, i really dig the stuff on his myspace as well. i'll snoop around and ask a couple people and see if he has any releases in this vein.

[caco0283]

This guy have any releases? Having trouble finding anything.

Yeah he used to perform as Andy Flop

http://www.myspace.com/andyflop

[Still-ill]

heard word that andrew fenlon (http://www.myspace.com/andyflop) was on american idol. what the fuck? fucking hysterical.

Yeah he used to perform as Andy Flop

http://www.myspace.com/andyflop

...?

[PotVsKtl]

They put caco's probation patch over his eyes this time, just let it slide.

[wmgaretjax]

andrew on the hanson/american tapes mailing list:

"talking to Kara on radio tomorrow will show her what's up
also been telling USA today about Michigan noise also other press people
furthermore, rumor has it I'm coming back at the end...we'll see"

hahaha.

[Still-ill]

What a legend.

[xxxxxxxxxx]

Good read for fans of Japanoise. http://www.avclub.com/articles/japanese-noiserock,37057/

[jazzz]

Jared & Bryan

Pm sent!

[wmgaretjax]

greetings. hospital tapes i ordered rolled in. these are so good, i wish i could have afforded more. alas... Definitely check out the Hair Police, because it's top notch. Hair Police includes members of Wolf Eyes and Sick Hour). Exploring Jezebel is Dom/Prurient and Wes from Cold Cave. River Magic is Dom again.

Exploring Jezebel - She Extracts the Last Drop of Torture... (http://www.mediafire.com/?i0o5wywtc3y)

Hair Police - On Dark and Bloody Ground (http://www.mediafire.com/?wiimzygqymd)

River Magic - Spring Thaw Brings the Fever (http://www.mediafire.com/?wzwnmmxmkqj)

[TallGuyCM]

Again, thanks for sharing these! Even though this thread isn't very highly frequented, I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that it means a lot for those of us who enjoy it.

[wmgaretjax]

Sure thing. I end up posting these other places anyhow, so I might as well share here.

[Raptor Clinton]

Just saw OGOD tonight (members of the Antarcticans. Total massive annihilation wall of stoner metal shrieking guitar sound). They fucking killed.

[JebusLives]

in the noise pop department, i'm pleased to see the Raveonettes on the poster again this year.

[wmgaretjax]

Ekhein batch. Probably one of my favorite tape labels right now. Run by the guy from Earn. Sean McCann is probably my favorite new-ish drone/ambient artist. Infinite Body is an easy second. 1958-2009 is a Michael Jackson mourning project with the Earn and Mirror to Mirror.

Removed at the request of the label. (i think raptor clinton tattled on me) :) buy form discriminatemusic.com because they are awesome. if you don't have a tape player... pm me.

[wmgaretjax]

seriously kids. that sean mccann tape is fantastic. check it out.

[Raptor Clinton]

This is a bizarre moment for me. I'm friends with Infinite Body and Mirror to Mirror in real life... and I'm on a message board for Coachella and someone not only knows who they are but is giving out their recordings. Small world.

[wmgaretjax]

if it's any consolation. i've convinced 4 people to buy those tapes today. and it's not like they won't sell out anyway (normally those ekhein tapes only have 50-75 copy runs).

it is a small world...

oh, and i'm pretty pumped about the new infinite body LP. comes out tuesday.

[Raptor Clinton]

Oh, it's consolation plenty. I have most of Infinite Body's records but I only paid for one of them... The new album is his best so far. Some of the best sound I've ever heard.

This Sean McCann album is really something, too.

Do you like White Leopards?

[wmgaretjax]

hadn't heard of 'em. myspace sounds good. looks like they have a release coming out on digitalis and moribund tree. i'll be sure to pick them up (and they are playing berkeley in the near-ish future, so i'll check them out).

oh, and sean mccann is gold. if you haven't heard phylum sigh, seek it out.

[Raptor Clinton]

You should. Live is twice as good as the recording.

[TallGuyCM]

Listening to the Infinite Body stuff right now. Good shit, Jared. Many thanks.

Oh, and what's the best site to stay current on when/where some of these acts are touring? I've never really been to a noise show (eh, Fuck Buttons, but that doesn't count) and I'd love to see a lot of the aforementioned acts in this thread in a live setting.

[wmgaretjax]

i bet there is a local calendar that folks in the LA community populate (SF equivalent: http://dardardar.org/). in addition there might be a local mailing list. i'll look around. beyond that, keep an eye on local venue calendars that have noise shows. at first glace here are a couple shows, there are probably lots more... i'm just not familiar with the venues down there.

2/14 at the Smell there is a really intense show going down (Lasse Marhaug and John Wiese).

Pacific City Nightlife Vision Band(Vodka Soap/Skaters), Zaimph (Hotogisu) Stelar OM Source are playing at echo curio in LA on 3/1.

Infinite Body is playing Echo Curio on 2/17

[Dale Gribble]

I gave Mandala 2000: Live at the Kichijoji Mandala II by Ruins a listen not too long ago. Fucking fantastic. Anyone seen them live?

[Raptor Clinton]

Does anyone know the Faraday Trippers? Sadly I don't have anything they've recorded.

http://www.myspace.com/faradaytrippers

it's really cool droney stuff made with theremins. One of the members doesn't have eyes.

I'm totally going to see them on Saturday. They're playing a free show.

[TallGuyCM]

One of the members doesn't have eyes.


WHOA. That's worth the price of (free) admission just there.

[wmgaretjax]

The new Yellow Swans is incredible. And I though At All Ends was a way to go out.... Holy shit. I can't wait to pick it up on vinyl from Type.

[the choice cat]

tera melos is noise music to me. not too fond of them

[boxofbox]

tera melos is noise music to me. not too fond of them

they sound like shite math-rock to me. not noise as a genre, but subjectively, maybe. i too not fond of them I are. gzzzzzssssurrrrp.

[jgonen]

For any noise enthusiasts, I highly recommend this. It has been out for a while but they recently just made it available for digital download. Stream the EP here:

http://religiousgirls.bandcamp.com/

[bmack86]

Yeah, the new Yellow Swans album is really killer. It actually seems like it'd make for a decent step into noise: there's an element of melody here, and a really great sense of development over the course of the pieces. I don't know much at all in terms of Yellow Swans material, but this is a definite winner.

[wmgaretjax]

It basically took At All Ends to the next level. There are some similar melodic elements on that album... but every song worked more towards an explicit crescendo. This album seems a little more intentional about the structure of the songs and the album as a whole. It's probably my favorite thing that they've done. Easily my favorite album of the year so far.

[bmack86]

Limited Space is like listening to a decayed tape of a Pink Floyd psychedelic jam as radio frequencies push to take over the speakers. It's awesome. Each track is better than the last.

[wmgaretjax]

Tape decay is definitely a big part of what they do. When they played live they used a reel to reel to decompose the loops they recorded.

[bmack86]

It's very evident, and they're really masterful with it on this release. I just finished the final song. It's one of the few noise records I've immediately wanted to put on again.

[Raptor Clinton]

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[TallGuyCM]

Listened to the new Yellow Swans last night as well, good stuff.

[bmack86]

Chris, tell me a little more about your Super Roots 7 experience.

[TallGuyCM]

Chris, tell me a little more about your Super Roots 7 experience.

Well, I was basically just hoping for something that was a little more accessible than Pop Tatari.

Basically I was trying to get a few things done while listening to Super Roots 7, but ended up just staring at my computer screen jaw agape for the majority of it. I can't wait to put it on again, I haven't been that floored by an album in a long time. I mean, just the percussion alone, holy shit.

[SoulDischarge]

Wow. Going Places is really incredible and downright gorgeous in a lots of spots. Definitely a good intro to noise if anyone was looking.

[bballarl]

Ducktails is more ambiance then noise, but does anyone here have an opinion on them?

/this sounds intriguing...could someone please link me?

Limited Space is like listening to a decayed tape of a Pink Floyd psychedelic jam as radio frequencies push to take over the speakers. It's awesome. Each track is better than the last.

[wmgaretjax]

Ducktails is more ambiance then noise, but does anyone here have an opinion on them?

I can't stand a lot of what he's doing. I saw him live at the On Land festival and was probably biased the minute he hopped on stage wearing raybans and acting like he was ultra cool... but i think the attention to detail is severely lacking. it's all mush. hearing him talk about his music afterwards also was pretty nauseating.

granted I haven't really given it a proper chance on record... i've been telling myself to do so and i keep forgetting.

[SoulDischarge]

There's enough noise music being made not to support insufferable douchebags.

[bballarl]

I can't stand a lot of what he's doing. I saw him live at the On Land festival and was probably biased the minute he hopped on stage wearing raybans and acting like he was ultra cool... but i think the attention to detail is severely lacking. it's all mush. hearing him talk about his music afterwards also was pretty nauseating.

granted I haven't really given it a proper chance on record... i've been telling myself to do so and i keep forgetting.

I just listened to his "Acres of Shade" single. I totally hear you on the attention to detail bit. It was pleasant in a background music sort of way, but it just kind of drifts along without direction or resolution. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't an artistically rewarding thing. I am going to put on his albums now to see if they are any better.

[wmgaretjax]

Let me know what you think. Might push me to actually listen.

[wmgaretjax]

I should note that I approach pretty much every Not Not Fun (not to be confused with No Fun) release with a baseball-sized grain of salt. There is a lot of crap put out on that label (and some seriously incredible stuff as well).

[bballarl]

I just tried to listen to "Landscapes" but got bored. It was more of the same. I have a thing for that deeply hazy, drift-y, warm but synthesized, aural nostalgia sound, but there is no sense of songcraft and it just kind of floats along. Pleasant background music with some nice sounds, but not really something you can actively listen to.

I am going to listen to Best Coast instead cause they rule.

[wmgaretjax]

I'm listening to his self-titled right now, and I think my initial assessment is pretty indicative of what my opinion would be if I listened to his whole catalog. The musicianship is quite bad in places, and if I really wanted to listen to this kind of noodly, nostalgic stuff, I'd just go listen to Heldon or some early krautrock. Sure I'd lose the summertime vibe, but who needs it right?

[SoulDischarge]

It's fucking winter anyway.

[wmgaretjax]

yeah. i'll rationalize my distaste for his music when it's necessary. heh.

[wmgaretjax]

Dog Lady - In the Commonwealth of the Outermost Bodies (http://www.mediafire.com/?oz2hmgamdm2)

[pancakespancakes]

Allstar lineup at the Che Cafe on February 28th -- for once I don't have to drag my ass all the way up to LA for such a sweet lineup of underground artists.

Zaimph (Marcia Basset of Double Leopards, Hototogisu)
Stellar Om Source
Spencer Clark (under the name Pacific City Nightlife Vision Band) (of The Skaters)
James Ferraro (of The Skaters)
Riververb (local San Diego noise/drone artist)

Sunday February 28th, $5, 8 PM, all fuckin ages, (Only 2 freeway exits away!)



Can't wait to see James Ferraro and SOS, I've been really into their music lately, it was a real pleasant surprise to see this show listed on the Che website this morning.

[pancakespancakes]

Speaking of Stellar Om Source, I really have to recommend this LP: Rise in Planes. (http://www.mediafire.com/?dzxmyqozkwm)

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/2cf078e9ae9135a40471abdc8bfcfb67/2236314.jpg


Spacey, super heavy synth drones, piled on with effects, lots of low-end. The whole thing has sort of a tribal feel to it. Side B, "The Sky Pilot," has a slow beat played on a live drum kit running deep in the mix, giving it a really sweet groove in addition to the massive drones. Hallucinatory and blissful.

[Gonshman]

Can someone knolwedgeable recommend me some good events to go see as part of the NYC Unsound Festival?

I already know I can't go to nsi tomorrow, unfortunately

[wmgaretjax]

the Groupshow soundtrack to "Empire" should be cool. But it's 8 hours long.

Tim Hecker as well. And the don't miss show is the Pole event.

[wmgaretjax]

Quiet Light Water Gap and Mental Prism tapes from Wagon (emeralds run label whose releases almost always involve emeralds members). Decided to start posting these on a blog. Find 'em here (oracularist.blogspot.com). Add it to your RSS feed if you want.

Mental Prism is a collaboration with lambsbread that feels exactly like it should. A bit of a post-rock bent. Quiet Water Light Gap is absolutely awesome. It's heavy on field recordings, but goes some awesome places towards the end.