NOW Thats What I Call Indie Rock! [Archive] - Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival Message Board

Boourns

04-09-2007, 02:26 PM

EW.com says that the comps will feature the likes of Bloc Party, the Shins, Bright Eyes, Air, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, M. Ward, Ted Leo, Cat Power, Silversun Pickups, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and Sonic Youth, and that labels such as Vice, Matador, and Sub Pop will take turns putting out each volume.

Way to ruin your compilations.

amyzzz

04-09-2007, 02:27 PM

Why, when you have the helpful members of the Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival Message Board.
I'm very close-minded.

kreutz2112

04-09-2007, 02:30 PM

I'm very close-minded.

I don't think listening to that compilation will help.

SojuGorae

04-09-2007, 02:31 PM

Is this suppose to be a bad thing?

amyzzz

04-09-2007, 02:32 PM

I think this goes in with the mentality that people don't want their favorite bands to get very successful because they won't get to see them in small clubs anymore. :p

La Ferrassie

04-09-2007, 02:38 PM

Is this suppose to be a bad thing?

Good for the bands, bad for the fans.

SojuGorae

04-09-2007, 02:40 PM

I think this goes in with the mentality that people don't want their favorite bands to get very successful because they won't get to see them in small clubs anymore. :p

That's pretty selfish, but I can understand that mentality. It's like having your pet taken away to be put on a zoo for everyone else to enjoy what you were enjoying on a personal level.

mountmccabe

04-09-2007, 02:43 PM

can we all please realize that "indie" has gone the way of "punk" in that it is an idealogical stance and nothing more.

Isn't that backwards? "Punk" is now a genre, a style. There is an idealogical stance often goes with it but the term is generally used to discuss the sound of the music itself.

The same with "indie." This has become a genre, the basic template was the sound of some of the more popular independent (in the business sense) bands. Indie as a genre is still related to the independent labels and DIY and whatnot but it's not necessary.

Also this to me seems harmless. Or, rather quite beneficial. The more people that hear these bands the more will listen to them. Not everyone who hears ____ will like them but some percentage will. And most of those folks will look for more like it, other bands on the label and tourmates and influences and whatnot. And, again, a good number of these folks will break free from the stranglehold of radio pop hits.

I'm not saying pop hits are bad but I'm saying people will be much happier (and record sales, overall) will go up when folks start hearing music they like more. Not everyone will like Bright Eyes, not everyone will like Bloc Party, not everyone will like whoever.

There are so many bands out there that don't reach their potential audience. This will help. Some.

La Ferrassie

04-09-2007, 02:43 PM

I think it's bittersweet, because you are happy the band has more of an audience, but at the same time you feel screwed over for some reason.

worldwide2020

04-09-2007, 02:46 PM

This the beginning of the end.

ghettojournalist

04-09-2007, 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=mountmccabe;135997]Isn't that backwards? "Punk" is now a genre, a style. There is an idealogical stance often goes with it but the term is generally used to discuss the sound of the music itself.

The same with "indie." This has become a genre, the basic template was the sound of some of the more popular independent (in the business sense) bands. Indie as a genre is still related to the independent labels and DIY and whatnot but it's not necessary.QUOTE]

true, indie is related to DIY ethics, but not to independant labels, not anymore and not in a while.

punk also includes the DIY ethics, but it si mainly the idea of going against the mainstream.

the only reason punk and indie have become fashion and sound templates is due to the media.

it's the ideas that make the term and nothing else.

luveebunni08

04-09-2007, 03:12 PM

perhaps music i actually like will get played on the radio here, even though i gave up years ago. if it's not top 40 or on a compilation like that no one requests it so it gets tossed.

ghettojournalist

04-09-2007, 03:37 PM

a little bit independent music will be played due to the lawsuits on payola, but not enough to make a dent.

mountmccabe

04-09-2007, 04:09 PM

This the beginning of the end.

The end of what?

And how is this the beginning of anything?

I don't see how this is much of anything, really. These are comps that no one will buy unless they're really really cheap. Even then sales will be low. And I think what little effect it'll have will be good.

More fans means (some) more money for the bands which means their lives will be a little easier. I'm good with that.

Though I guess bands at the level of Bloc Party and Bright Eyes are probably doing moderately well as is.

full on idle

04-09-2007, 05:51 PM

Oh that's it, it's over. OVER. It's all over. It's over.

Boourns

04-09-2007, 06:12 PM

We already have a compilation of the "indie" rock of yesteryear for dummies, it's called the Garden State soundtrack.

full on idle

04-09-2007, 06:14 PM

OH wait right. I forgot. It was over then too.

full on idle

04-09-2007, 06:15 PM

jk I don't really know when it ended.

adamnikyo

04-09-2007, 06:27 PM

It just ended.

Wait.

No.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's over now.

full on idle

04-09-2007, 06:38 PM

sigh.

full on idle

04-09-2007, 06:38 PM

It was fun though, eh?

kreutz2112

04-09-2007, 07:12 PM

It was fun though, eh?

It was alright...

hangthedj112

04-09-2007, 07:40 PM

The only band on there that seems all that indie to me is Sonic Youth.

La Ferrassie

04-09-2007, 07:44 PM

I think the compilation should be called Daydream Nation

omg wtf bbq

04-09-2007, 07:51 PM

ALMOST AS COOL AS THIS...

http://www.americanidol.com/videos/view/?vid=608

kreutz2112

04-09-2007, 07:56 PM

almost?

La Ferrassie

04-09-2007, 08:00 PM

Equally as cool.

mountmccabe

04-09-2007, 08:17 PM

The only band on there that seems all that indie to me is Sonic Youth.

If you're talking about this list:

EW.com says that the comps will feature the likes of Bloc Party, the Shins, Bright Eyes, Air, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, M. Ward, Ted Leo, Cat Power, Silversun Pickups, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and Sonic Youth, and that labels such as Vice, Matador, and Sub Pop will take turns putting out each volume.

then Sonic Youth is one of the few (with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Air) that aren't on an indie label. Their major releases haven't been on an indie label since Daydream Nation.

If you're talking about indie as a style/genre then again, I'd say Sonic Youth would be one of the least indie bands there.

Courtney

04-09-2007, 08:26 PM

Isn't that backwards? "Punk" is now a genre, a style. There is an idealogical stance often goes with it but the term is generally used to discuss the sound of the music itself.

The same with "indie." This has become a genre, the basic template was the sound of some of the more popular independent (in the business sense) bands. Indie as a genre is still related to the independent labels and DIY and whatnot but it's not necessary.

Also this to me seems harmless. Or, rather quite beneficial. The more people that hear these bands the more will listen to them. Not everyone who hears ____ will like them but some percentage will. And most of those folks will look for more like it, other bands on the label and tourmates and influences and whatnot. And, again, a good number of these folks will break free from the stranglehold of radio pop hits.

I'm not saying pop hits are bad but I'm saying people will be much happier (and record sales, overall) will go up when folks start hearing music they like more. Not everyone will like Bright Eyes, not everyone will like Bloc Party, not everyone will like whoever.

There are so many bands out there that don't reach their potential audience. This will help. Some.

Well said.

I was going to comment on this thread, but mountmccabe wrote pretty much everything I was thinking, only more coherently than I was thinking it.

ghettojournalist

04-10-2007, 08:20 AM

If you're talking about this list:

then Sonic Youth is one of the few (with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Air) that aren't on an indie label. Their major releases haven't been on an indie label since Daydream Nation.

If you're talking about indie as a style/genre then again, I'd say Sonic Youth would be one of the least indie bands there.

Sonic Youth is one of the early torch-bearers for the indie underground. once again, it's ideals and ethic that make one "indie" or "punk". labels are red herrings.

TomAz

04-10-2007, 08:21 AM

sonic youth roolz

mountmccabe

04-10-2007, 08:32 AM

Sonic Youth is one of the early torch-bearers for the indie underground. once again, it's ideals and ethic that make one "indie" or "punk". labels are red herrings.

This fits with what you were saying earlier so you're consistent. But you're using your own special definitions for those terms. Your definitions are non-standard. I didn't understand what you meant. Hell, I'm not sure I do now.

I'd like these terms to have my own special meanings too and have people use them that way but that'll never happen. Language is about communication. You'ren't communicating very well. (But for all I know this may not matter. I know there are times when I'ma gonna stick to whatever I wanna say for other reasons and not care who understands and who doesn't. I'm not trying to patronize you, jftr.)

I know that 20 years ago Sonic Youth were one of the early/big underground bands that got recognition and moved to a major. And still put out good/weird/adventurous music. They've been doing it for so long that in my mind, at least, they're no longer avant garde.

So unless these compilations are going to include 20 year old songs - which would be pretty dumb, if you ask me - I don't know how what they were like in the 80s has to do with what they're like now.

And, man. Labels (if you mean record labels) are not red herrings. They're not pure indicators but they're better than nothing.

kreutz2112

04-10-2007, 08:34 AM

sonic youth roolz

indie rock droolz

TomAz

04-10-2007, 08:46 AM

This fits with what you were saying earlier so you're consistent. But you're using your own special definitions for those terms. Your definitions are non-standard. I didn't understand what you meant. Hell, I'm not sure I do now.

I'd like these terms to have my own special meanings too and have people use them that way but that'll never happen. Language is about communication. You'ren't communicating very well. (But for all I know this may not matter. I know there are times when I'ma gonna stick to whatever I wanna say for other reasons and not care who understands and who doesn't. I'm not trying to patronize you, jftr.)

...

And, man. Labels (if you mean record labels) are not red herrings. They're not pure indicators but they're better than nothing.

John, does any of that really matter though? who cares if music is 'indie' or 'corporate' or whatever? the only thing that matters is if it's any good.

mountmccabe

04-10-2007, 11:13 AM

John, does any of that really matter though? who cares if music is 'indie' or 'corporate' or whatever? the only thing that matters is if it's any good.

You are correct; all that matters is if the music is good.

If I've already heard the music, if I already know a band none of this matters (for that band.) Labels and producers and guests and tourmates and who covers them and who they cover and all this sort of thing is only useful for music you haven't heard. There's so much music released every week that I can't listen to it all. There's a huge back catalog of stuff I haven't heard.

How do you sort through that without actually listening to all of it? Well, to some extent, you simply can't. But you can get decent guesses as to what is good from looking at various things that generally are associated with good music.

Plenty of great music is put out on the majors. Plenty of terrible music is put out on indies. So this isn't a 100% sort of thing.

Being released by Capitol is the sort of thing that'll turn me off... from a band I know little about and haven't heard. I'm not saying I won't ever listen to them it's just I'd be more likely to want to hear them if they were on Domino (for example.)

And yes, there is a causal relationship here.

mountmccabe

04-10-2007, 11:14 AM

And of course "good music" is different for everybody.

I find a higher percentage of good music and good bands (i.e. bands that will continue to release good records) on indie labels.

Not everyone will have this experience.

TomAz

04-10-2007, 12:02 PM

How do you sort through that without actually listening to all of it?

well that's the thing isn't it, that would make a good thread on its own.

mob roulette

04-10-2007, 12:49 PM

ah 1991, the year punk broke. how sad the sound of artists actually making MONEY. grow up haters. every generation has their little hearts broken by the man, man, and then they think they're the first. boo fucking hoo. suck it up.

also if this is a sellout move by sonic youth, please note that this would be the seventeenth year or so running. if anyone's counting. just saying.

also the vice guide to travel is AMAZING, btw. i would highly recommend procuring yourself a copy if you don't have one already. that is all.

TomAz

04-10-2007, 12:52 PM

what are you talking about? who are you talking to?

mob roulette

04-10-2007, 12:56 PM

you. them. whomever. i thought we were arguing the relative merits of such a comp in the first place. i like the idea of now that's what i call indie rock. it's funny AND useful.

TomAz

04-10-2007, 01:04 PM

I think the conversation had digressed. but thank you for bringing it all back home.

jackstraw94086

04-10-2007, 01:11 PM

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/jackstraw94086/tonypodcast.jpg

TomAz

04-10-2007, 01:25 PM

AtDsErxC1tw

mountmccabe

04-10-2007, 01:57 PM

I think the conversation had digressed. but thank you for bringing it all back home.

Dylan was not indie rock.

joppy-slow

04-10-2007, 02:04 PM

very funny..

your band is so punk, alternative, indie, hip hop, heavy metal, thrash, electro, slacker rock, minimal..... on and on...

justinaqui

04-10-2007, 04:45 PM

i think if it makes money for those labels its good. they can continue to put out new things for me to enjoy.

Michelle

04-10-2007, 07:28 PM

jackstraw94086

04-11-2007, 12:06 AM

That's pretty selfish, but I can understand that mentality. It's like having your pet taken away to be put on a zoo for everyone else to enjoy what you were enjoying on a personal level.

but in this analogy you'd have to accept that your pet would probably rather be in that zoo, and it doesn't have cages (although I'm sure someone will disagree in a metaphorical sense). Indie artists are not allergic to money. If the band didn't want the money they wouldn't be there.

luveebunni08

04-11-2007, 06:42 AM

for some reason when i think of this i think of the goth kid scene in south park. like all the fans of the bands on this compilations will unanimously state, "i'm such a non-conformist that i'm not going to conform by listening to any of these bands anymore."

i dunno. all it means is the masses will see what they've been missing and probably go back to listening to the same crap they were listening to before cause they don't like the term "indie rock".