JUSTICE

[seachanges]

Isnt the next Coachella in '08?

and can you validate this claim? Because that would be insane. I have a video of one of his new tracks as well.

ok, let us see this video already : )

[superfiction]

Isnt the next Coachella in '08?

and can you validate this claim? Because that would be insane. I have a video of one of his new tracks as well.

oh yeah

[airguitarvet]

ATTN: anybody excited for an uffie LP


jump in front of a train

i am- its about time.
uffies banging

[Trick Loves The Kids]

sebastian and kavinsky are fucking awful DJs

i've said this before but look, they opened for daft punk and managed to bore the most captive audience this year. like, I'm not a great DJ by any means and I probably could have started a riot. they're good producers but until they wise up and start using ableton i don't want to see them perform at all.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

word

[Botrocker]

Isnt the next Coachella in '08?

and can you validate this claim? Because that would be insane. I have a video of one of his new tracks as well.

Yeah he's a friend of mine and that's what he told me. I have no other info than the words outta his mouth.

[paulb]

sebastian and kavinsky are fucking awful DJs

i've said this before but look, they opened for daft punk and managed to bore the most captive audience this year. like, I'm not a great DJ by any means and I probably could have started a riot. they're good producers but until they wise up and start using ableton i don't want to see them perform at all.

what fuckin Daft Punk show were u at? Cause they had LA movin.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

Berkeley, in the middle of the pit. They did kind of have a shitty playing situation, they were behind a curtain but still they can't mix for shit. They straight dropped their 5 big singles and then "Party Has Begun" by Freestyle. The audience kind of cared about the RATM edit but not really.

I mean the crowd was more hyped up when they played "License To Ill" all the way through over the PA right at the beginning of the show.

[crazzz2007]

what fuckin Daft Punk show were u at? Cause they had LA movin.

what are you talking about? the only ones moving were people like you who would suck anyones dick as long as they are wearing an Ed Banger tshirt. seriously, sabastian and kavinsky are HORRIBLE dj's.

oh, and the la sports arena was basically empty while they were spinning.

[Robototron]

Berkeley, in the middle of the pit. They did kind of have a shitty playing situation, they were behind a curtain but still they can't mix for shit. They straight dropped their 5 big singles and then "Party Has Begun" by Freestyle. The audience kind of cared about the RATM edit but not really.

I mean the crowd was more hyped up when they played "License To Ill" all the way through over the PA right at the beginning of the show.

Yeah, I don't know what paulb is talking about, where I was at the LA show (the front) nobody was dancing, and those that were weren't into it all that much. No one around me seemed to know who they were, either.

Kavinsky has been just as bad the two times I've seen him since, although SebastiAn seems to have gotten a little better.

[thelastgreatman]

Seb and Kav fucked up in LA. It was brutal. My homie I brought with me and I just kept geeking about it like, "Wait a minute, I know we're incredibly high and shit, but are these guys seriously missing the fucking drops when they're playing in front of THIS MANY PEOPLE?!" Ed Banger got its overall quality of artists seriously called into question there. I'd kick the shit out of a DJ I represented if he missed the downbeat while opening up for Daft. Srsly.

[Botrocker]

they're good producers but until they wise up and start using ableton

True.

[jackstraw94086]

That is all too true these days. There too many producers out there demonstrating fucking piss poor DJ skills. Those shows cost too much to show up and play a shitty set. It's irresponsible. Take advantage of the damn laptop and put more effort into mixing each show more uniquely. The indie kids are guaranteed to have heard the raw track a billion times since that morning anyway.

[Daft Fro]

They got the shaft presentation/sound wise for opening for the Cali DP shows. At the Berkeley show they weren't behind the curtains, they were off to the right hand side. LA show sucked cause the house lights were on until DP went on, so everyone was just dicking around...Sound sucked at both shows, they are better doing their own sets at smaller venues.

[suprefan]

Ill say this, the DP Berkeley show wasnt loud at all. I compared the audio from the videos I have of Berkeley to Vegoose and Vegoose was waaaaay louder even with all the people around me. Sebatian and Kavinsky were ok, in the club they go off, but this was a huge venue so what do they do ya know? Both of them were more fun at Detour actually. DP shouldve gotten Mehdi to spin, that guy knows his s**t.

[orbit]

Sound sucked at both shows, they are better doing their own sets at smaller venues.

Their show at Red Rocks was horrible. Same for the after party, I didn't listen such an awful set long time ago.

I can't speak too much about the aftershow in Chicago because I just listened Kavinsky for 5 minuted and got out of there.

[thelastgreatman]

Fuck this "there wasn't much presentation" bullshit. I've seen two motherfuckers with turntables and a microphone tear Giants fucking Stadium down in the freezing rain--they had all the resources a GOOD DJ needs.

[signmeup]

These shows were like what, 5-6 months ago. Theyve gotten a lot better since then. And maybe theyre not the best ever, but hey, they are Producers first, DJs second. And the reason people dont dance to them at the DP shows is because a lot of people dont know whats going on or who they are. Its the US, not Europe.

They were opening acts for one of the biggest electronic acts out there. Biggest also meaning pretty mainstream. give em a break, its not like they are going around saying "were the best DJs ever woohoo!"

[superfiction]

post that video you not sack. cut it in half or something and show these guys how dope it was

[thelastgreatman]

These shows were like what, 5-6 months ago. Theyve gotten a lot better since then. And maybe theyre not the best ever, but hey, they are Producers first, DJs second. And the reason people dont dance to them at the DP shows is because a lot of people dont know whats going on or who they are. Its the US, not Europe.

The production on Cross is very good. Clearly someone spent a lot of money on it. This doesn't change the fact that that album is uninspired generic dance crap.

[signmeup]

okay, producing as in making music. PRODUCING electronic music.

so good production but crap = contradiction.

[thelastgreatman]

No, you're being stupid. Stop it.

PRODUCING means things other than "making music." Kanye, for example, is a really good producer. His beats are clean, and much like Justice they sound "good" from the perspective of what they did to refine and polish their beats. That doesn't in any way mean that the actual content of the music is good.

[justinwilson1987]

everyone is raving about their performance (no pun intended) so i was wondering if their CD material is anything like their live show? Is it worth checking out or is it one of those, have to catch em live sort of deals. I know alot of Djs are like that, they really don't have actual good songs, or good Cds, but when they spin live, they throw in some really wicked stuff.

[brando4n82]

. DP shouldve gotten Mehdi to spin, that guy knows his s**t.

Straight up, dawg

[brando4n82]

:emo The production on Cross is very good. Clearly someone spent a lot of money on it. This doesn't change the fact that that album is uninspired generic dance crap.

:emo

[jackstraw94086]

No, you're being stupid. Stop it.

PRODUCING means things other than "making music." Kanye, for example, is a really good producer. His beats are clean, and much like Justice they sound "good" from the perspective of what they did to refine and polish their beats. That doesn't in any way mean that the actual content of the music is good.

dude, in the context of this thread "production" means the music. period.
This isn't the movies.

[jackstraw94086]

These shows were like what, 5-6 months ago. Theyve gotten a lot better since then. And maybe theyre not the best ever, but hey, they are Producers first, DJs second. And the reason people dont dance to them at the DP shows is because a lot of people dont know whats going on or who they are. Its the US, not Europe.

They were opening acts for one of the biggest electronic acts out there. Biggest also meaning pretty mainstream. give em a break, its not like they are going around saying "were the best DJs ever woohoo!"

That's retarded. You can't excuse piss poor live performance by saying they are "DJs second". If they can't put on a decent live show then they should leave that to people who can and not steal your money. If you're saying you're happy to just show up and see them no matter how bad they sound then you are a fucking caricature of that scene.

And wtf does "It's the US, not Europe" mean? People are allowed to sound like shit here because we don't know better? Fuck off. People will dance (or whatever the fuck you people call that jumping up and down with your fist in the air bullshit) if the music is good

[brando4n82]

And wtf does "It's the US, not Europe" mean? People are aloud to sound like shit here because we don't know better? Fuck off. People will dance (or whatever the fuck you people call that jumping up and down with your fist in the air bullshit) if the music is good

agreed

[Botrocker]

"It's the US, not Europe"

Yeah that statement kinda questions our itelligence.

[superfiction]

No, you're being stupid. Stop it.

PRODUCING means things other than "making music." Kanye, for example, is a really good producer. His beats are clean, and much like Justice they sound "good" from the perspective of what they did to refine and polish their beats. That doesn't in any way mean that the actual content of the music is good.

if you are refferring to the actual sound than you would be talking about engineering

[brando4n82]

mreh

[signmeup]

That's retarded. You can't excuse piss poor live performance by saying they are "DJs second". If they can't put on a decent live show then they should leave that to people who can and not steal your money. If you're saying you're happy to just show up and see them no matter how bad they sound then you are a fucking caricature of that scene.

And wtf does "It's the US, not Europe" mean? People are allowed to sound like shit here because we don't know better? Fuck off. People will dance (or whatever the fuck you people call that jumping up and down with your fist in the air bullshit) if the music is good


I dunno, that "US/eruope" thing was just to mean they are from france, so more french people would be excited to see them maybe? I know in seattle and denver, like 6 people actually knew who they were.

plus about cheat you out of your money? Im pretty sure you paid 60 bucks to see fucking daft punk play. I was excited to see seb and kav and i didnt feel cheated out of my money after having to sit through the fucking rapture twice.

And I know they are not the best, but its kind of how you get better, by touring and doing it a lot. Yeah they played mostly the same set whatever. What my original point was is that they have gotten much much better thanks to this DP tour alone.

And as for enjoying the music and dancing and having a good time even though they apparently are the worst DJs ever making me a caricature of the scene? Sorry Im hyped on music right now and like to dance to it. Maybe the mixing and tweaking isnt going to make me excited and be like "damn they are such good DJs, I am going to stand here and listen to the technicalities of theyre DJing while not dancing whatsoever." but I am enjoying it.

Jesus you critics should check out the DEXPISTOLS if you really want to analyze shitty DJs.

Theyre big in Japan, thats not a joke, theyre from Japan.

Im sure that you would prefer Sebastian and Kavinsky after you hear a set that starts of as a Justice Medley, into a Michael jackson Medley complete with techno remixes, and finishes as and Ode to terrible american MTV rock.
with little mixing.

[Ritestyl]

No, you're being stupid. Stop it.

PRODUCING means things other than "making music." Kanye, for example, is a really good producer. His beats are clean, and much like Justice they sound "good" from the perspective of what they did to refine and polish their beats. That doesn't in any way mean that the actual content of the music is good.

If this is 85th page of this thread and this is what the posts are like... this is lame...

Justice production = random samples, distortion, midi mapping and compression... that's it suckers

[crazzz2007]

PF, please delete this thrad. It's time. Really. Please to it.

[signmeup]

PF, please delete this thrad. It's time. Really. Please to it.

pretty please?

[Ritestyl]

PF, please delete this thrad. It's time. Really. Please to it.

Seconded.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

wait...who the hell is justice and what is going on in this thread?

[jackstraw94086]

And I know they are not the best, but its kind of how you get better, by touring and doing it a lot. Yeah they played mostly the same set whatever. What my original point was is that they have gotten much much better thanks to this DP tour alone.


You're not supposed to practice in front of tens of thousands of paid customers. If you want to DJ then learn how beforehand. This isn't happy hour at your local bar. That's how you're getting cheated.


And as for enjoying the music and dancing and having a good time even though they apparently are the worst DJs ever making me a caricature of the scene? This has nothing to do with having a good time at the show. You're trying to rationalize unprofessionalism. You speak as if these two DJ's were an edgy punk band or something. That's why you're a caricature. They're pressing fucking buttons. You dont' even have to be sober to do this right.


Sorry Im hyped on music right now and like to dance to it. Maybe the mixing and tweaking isnt going to make me excited and be like "damn they are such good DJs, I am going to stand here and listen to the technicalities of theyre DJing while not dancing whatsoever." but I am enjoying it.
more caricaturing. It's not about concentrating on figuring out how good they are, it's about them not being so bad that you notice how bad they are.


Jesus you critics should check out the DEXPISTOLS if you really want to analyze shitty DJs. No.


Im sure that you would prefer Sebastian and Kavinsky after you hear a set that starts of as a Justice Medley, into a Michael jackson Medley complete with techno remixes, and finishes as and Ode to terrible american MTV rock.
with little mixing.
10X Caricature Blow + Double Irony Punch + Comic Combo Smash. ...FINISH HIM!!!!!

[Ritestyl]

This has delete me all over it.

[signmeup]

God this is lame, my point is. I like them.
And you get better the more you do something, so technically every show any musician ever plays is practice, in a way.

[jackstraw94086]

God this is lame, my point is. I like them.
And you get better the more you do something, so technically every show any musician ever plays is practice, in a way.

That was not your point at all.

You tried to excuse piss poor performance by saying they were just practicing.

That's retarded. By that logic anyone who ever wanted to be a rock star should just start touring right now. They'll get better along the way.

[Ritestyl]

I think Justice are on minute 13... and this thread still needs to die...

I still really like Phantom Part 2 btw...

Really over the hype though... wish I had thought for 2 seconds and realized that if I bought a shitload of those lame ass tour shirts I could have sold them on ebay for 200 bucks

[Gyrus]

CUZ WE.... ARE.... YOUR FRIENDS....
YOU'LL..... NEVER BE ALONE AGAIN..... SO COME ON!!!!

[Ritestyl]

CUZ WE.... ARE.... YOUR FRIENDS....
YOU'LL..... NEVER BE ALONE AGAIN..... SO COME ON!!!!

If this isn't evidence this thread needs to be deleted I don't know what is.

[thelastgreatman]

If this is 85th page of this thread and this is what the posts are like... this is lame...

Justice production = random samples, distortion, midi mapping and compression... that's it suckers

All little kids who jump into the end of the thread and give me shit as if I was supporting Justice must go read the beginning of the argument and then fuck themselves. Don't get uppity with me.

dude, in the context of this thread "production" means the music. period.
This isn't the movies.

Jack, I'm not going to argue with you about your professional art form--I dabble in this shit occasionally mostly to help out a friend and take a cut of his fees but I get annoyed by the terminology, hate the programs involved, and find it generally mind-numbing. Mostly I get really high and then after he's been dicking around with something for minutes on end I eventually get tired of it and tell him what to do, and then it sounds good. But let me try to clarify and I think you'll understand what I mean. You might still tell me I don't have a fucking clue, of course.

Okay, I get what you meant if you're talking about them as "producers," because in EDM there isn't anything but producers, is there? I mean there's rarely anything actually recorded with a microphone except the vocal, so everything else is the producer making the song, and that's where I think you're coming from with this smack. But I draw a distinction between talking about that and the difference between whether EDM is well written or well produced. Perhaps those are the wrong terms, but that's just how I think of it.

Writing is the actual content. Producing is making that content sound as good as it can. There has to be some kind of different consideration given to conception and execution separately, no? Or am I just using the wrong words? Now you look at this crap with the same kind of sneer I do--a much more authoritative sneer, of course--but am I wrong in saying that while Cross is inherently crap because it's thoroughly generic crappy (gay) house music... it's nonetheless kinda well-put-together generic crappy (gay) house music?

That's what I refer to when I talk about the production of the album. You might still tell me I'm an idiot, and in fact I might want you to just 'cause it would probably be funny, but all I was saying is that they made total shit... well. I guess. Lord knows there's plenty of shitty house music that's not just shit music but shit music made shittily--I wouldn't say they're the latter, they're just really unimaginative and willing to shoot for the easiest, most tired ploys in all of dance music. Am I talking out of my ass here, Jack, or what?

if you are refferring to the actual sound than you would be talking about engineering

An engineer? On that album? Why would an engineer ever come into play? I've never been involved in a studio, so I may be completely daft, but isn't an engineer concerned with the recording of sounds? I mean, maybe they had one for the vocals, but I'd be surprised if they actually recorded much besides that. At least it doesn't sound like it. And if you're an EDM producer and you can't don't know enough about audio tech to record that shit yourselves, you're pretty weak. But like I say, I may be ignorant here.

[Ritestyl]

All little kids who jump into the end of the thread and give me shit as if I was supporting Justice must go read the beginning of the argument and then fuck themselves. Don't get uppity with me.



Jack, I'm not going to argue with you about your professional art form--I dabble in this shit occasionally mostly to help out a friend and take a cut of his fees but I get annoyed by the terminology, hate the programs involved, and find it generally mind-numbing. Mostly I get really high and then after he's been dicking around with something for minutes on end I eventually get tired of it and tell him what to do, and then it sounds good. But let me try to clarify and I think you'll understand what I mean. You might still tell me I don't have a fucking clue, of course.

Okay, I get what you meant if you're talking about them as "producers," because in EDM there isn't anything but producers, is there? I mean there's rarely anything actually recorded with a microphone except the vocal, so everything else is the producer making the song, and that's where I think you're coming from with this smack. But I draw a distinction between talking about that and the difference between whether EDM is well written or well produced. Perhaps those are the wrong terms, but that's just how I think of it.

Writing is the actual content. Producing is making that content sound as good as it can. There has to be some kind of different consideration given to conception and execution separately, no? Or am I just using the wrong words? Now you look at this crap with the same kind of sneer I do--a much more authoritative sneer, of course--but am I wrong in saying that while Cross is inherently crap because it's thoroughly generic crappy (gay) house music... it's nonetheless kinda well-put-together generic crappy (gay) house music?

That's what I refer to when I talk about the production of the album. You might still tell me I'm an idiot, and in fact I might want you to just 'cause it would probably be funny, but all I was saying is that they made total shit... well. I guess. Lord knows there's plenty of shitty house music that's not just shit music but shit music made shittily--I wouldn't say they're the latter, they're just really unimaginative and willing to shoot for the easiest, most tired ploys in all of dance music. Am I talking out of my ass here, Jack, or what?



An engineer? On that album? Why would an engineer ever come into play? I've never been involved in a studio, so I may be completely daft, but isn't an engineer concerned with the recording of sounds? I mean, maybe they had one for the vocals, but I'd be surprised if they actually recorded much besides that. At least it doesn't sound like it. And if you're an EDM producer and you can't don't know enough about audio tech to record that shit yourselves, you're pretty weak. But like I say, I may be ignorant here.



1. I'm not a little kid
2. I didn't think you were supporting Justice
3. You wasted waaaaaaaaaaay to many brain cells on that post

[thelastgreatman]

... you do know that typing doesn't kill brain cells, right?

[thelastgreatman]

Also, if you have less than 100 posts you're a little kid. Sorry, kid.

[Ritestyl]

... you do know that typing doesn't kill brain cells, right?

If you type by banging your head against your keyboard it does

[Ritestyl]

Also, if you have less than 100 posts you're a little kid. Sorry, kid.

awww that's cute, you meant little kid in the context of this message board... gotcha, that's awesome

[Robototron]

1. I'm not a little kid
2. I didn't think you were supporting Justice
3. You wasted waaaaaaaaaaay to many brain cells on that post

God forbid people make posts that can be summed up in more than three numerical points.

[Gyrus]

Just have to jump in this one, sorry if I missed the original argument but I'm thinking.....

In most dance music terms....

Producer = someone who amateurly or professionally writes/records/engineers/masters(T-RACKS works awesome)/releases their own tunes. I classify myself as a producer (more amateur than professional, I wouldnt quit my day job).

In all other genres though...

Producer = Usually a very well paid experienced person (Rick Rubin & Timbaland - near opposites but good examples of awesome producers) who helps shape/design the sound of the song/album and hook up the right people to make it happen.

no?

[Gyrus]

PS, to further what has been said.

I've heard many MANY M - A - N - Y Well produced but utterly shit dance tunes that just bore the shit out of me!!
I can still appreciate the production on it though even though I think the tune sucks.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

I'VE CREATED A MONSTER, PUT THIS THREAD DOWN

but before that:

1) This is all lameass semantics but most people assume a producer to be the people who write the music when it's within rap or dance. The Neptunes are producers, they produced "Drop It Like It's Hot" even though they didn't actually engineer/master it.

2) Justice will probably not be at Coachella 2008

3) Sebastian and Kavinsky are shit DJs and a lot of Ed Banger is overrated except for DJ Mehdi who has been making good music for like a decade and DJs very well

4) stop ordering $200 t-shirts nerds

[Gyrus]

I'VE CREATED A MONSTER, PUT THIS THREAD DOWN

but before that:

1) This is all lameass semantics but most people assume a producer to be the people who write the music when it's within rap or dance. The Neptunes are producers, they produced "Drop It Like It's Hot" even though they didn't actually engineer/master it.

2) Justice will probably not be at Coachella 2008

3) Sebastian and Kavinsky are shit DJs and a lot of Ed Banger is overrated except for DJ Mehdi who has been making good music for like a decade and DJs very well

4) stop ordering $200 t-shirts nerds

Now now now, I saw Sebastian and Kavinsky with Daft Punk on saturday and they rocked it. I wasn't really paying attention to their technical prowess but they did finish with Sebastians remix of Killin in the name of which rocked it.

points 1, 2 and 4, true true and true.
I think I know the jist of what you're sayin

[jackstraw94086]

Now now now, I saw Sebastian and Kavinsky with Daft Punk on saturday and they rocked it. I wasn't really paying attention to their technical prowess but they did finish with Sebastians remix of Killin in the name of which rocked it.

points 1, 2 and 4, true true and true.
I think I know the jist of what you're sayin

Don't you get uppity now. Trick's post was inscrutable.

Sebastians' RATM remix is one of the most fucking overplayed and overrated tracks of the year. Every time I heard it dropped I would look around the room and see people nervously scanning the room to see whether or not they were supposed to freak out to it or not. Yawn.
It was hardly a remix too, I'd say that was only marginally more than an edit.

[Somewhat Damaged]

Don't you get uppity now. Trick's post was inscrutable.

Sebastians' RATM remix is one of the most fucking overplayed and overrated tracks of the year. Every time I heard it dropped I would look around the room and see people nervously scanning the room to see whether or not they were supposed to freak out to it or not. Yawn.
It was hardly a remix too, I'd say that was only marginally more than an edit.

Yeah, I didn't see what the fuss was with the remix either, nor did it sound like a remix. When I heard it at the LA DP show, it sounded like they were just playing a RATM song. If there's some dancey stuff to it, it was so unremarkable that it failed to register.

[suprefan]

Now now now, I saw Sebastian and Kavinsky with Daft Punk on saturday and they rocked it. I wasn't really paying attention to their technical prowess but they did finish with Sebastians remix of Killin in the name of which rocked it.

points 1, 2 and 4, true true and true.
I think I know the jist of what you're sayin

Just cause they closed with the Rage track, doesnt mean ANYTHING. also, just because you just saw them spin it still doesnt mean ANYTHING. There are quite a few people on here who have seen them do their thing more than once so their view of it can actually have some weight behind it. And, you are just waiting until Rage comes in a month as it is to finally play your little city after all these years.


Yes, maybe this thread should be closed, and Justice wont be at Coachella 2008. It would be a waste to put them back there again, they need to ''go away'' for a while and let time do some work on their material to see if it can hold up for a few years.

[orbit]

Wasn't Oizo who did most of that remix?

[jackstraw94086]

Wasn't Oizo who did most of that remix?

I had heard oizo mentioned once too, but several independent trusted folks have said sebastian. I don't claim to know 100% but a friend told me the track first got out because it was cut from a sebastian mix. That said, it may as well been anybody's.


And just to show I'm not a wholesale hater, I fucking loved Sebastian's remix of Kelis' Bossy. I've been drunk enough to perpetrate that one a few times.

I'm on my way out to hear dome dance punk rur-rave bs right now actually. Charles Shaw and Sparks make fools of us all.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

Sebastian Bossy remix was/is the shit. Like I said, those dudes are good producers but that doesn't mean they should be anywhere near the (CD) turntables.

the worst part is that learning beatmatching is fucking easy, especially when you're already into dance music and you're surrounded by dozens of people who can do it well. it's like, make some attempt to learn to mix, use a computer to do it for you, or just stick to producing.

[rage patton]

Wasn't Oizo who did most of that remix?

I don't know for sure either, but I have heard the Killing in the Name mix is an Oizo mix, not a Sebastian mix.

[brando4n82]

Wasn't Oizo who did most of that remix?

all i know is Sebastian recently released an EP for Walkman, and the B-side is Killing in the Name of. So I would assume it's his

[orbit]

I think both of them did it, but Oizo did the most part. Well, I'm not sure either. All I know is that Sebastian played first and people assumed it was his.

[Gyrus]

Don't you get uppity now. Trick's post was inscrutable.

Sebastians' RATM remix is one of the most fucking overplayed and overrated tracks of the year. Every time I heard it dropped I would look around the room and see people nervously scanning the room to see whether or not they were supposed to freak out to it or not. Yawn.
It was hardly a remix too, I'd say that was only marginally more than an edit.

not getting uppity, just being cheeky :P

Yeh defintely agree it's more of an edit.
It's hard to improve on perfect.
Saying that, it is fun rockin out to. I can't stand people that do that, look around to see if everyone else likes it first, fuck you should just go nuts if its a sick tune.

[Botrocker]

It was hardly a remix too, I'd say that was only marginally more than an edit.

exactly

[ficklecycle]

Are you guys done and can we get back to the cheesy overrated D-A-N-C-E music that is JUSTEEECEEE?

[paulb]

ya, so much fuckin fightin here, lame... Im really feelin Phantom II soulwax remix lately...im lookin forward to what 2008 will bring.

[ficklecycle]

It's sick no doubt. I remember hearing it for the first time thinking to myself "this shit is gonna fucking tear the fucking house down at any gig."

I'm down with the Boys Noize remix also, how bout you?

[paulb]

I bought the Phantom EP vinyl at Ameoba...but i havent opened it....ive never heard the Boys Noize remix...could u send it to me?

[ficklecycle]

Just let me try to find the file and for sure. I saw it at Amoeba and was thinking of buying it so I could spin it but then I found a copy of Homework and snatched it. $30 used so not bad really since it's a bit hard to find it here in the U.S.

[paulb]

could u like megaupload it or yousendit or something? Thanks buddy...that would be sick... I usually dont open my vinyls...

[ficklecycle]

I'm uploading it to zshare.net as I type this so you'll get it once it's done. I'm the same with vinyls but something it's like you just gotta spin it you know what I mean? It's like getting a brand spankin new toy but not being able to open it because you wanna keep it in mint condition. I just cant control myself.

[paulb]

I know exactly what you're sayin...thanks again, I cant wait to hear it.

[ficklecycle]

Here it is man:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GOJEHZUE

Justice - Phantom (Boys Noize Remix)

Merry Christmas.

[paulb]

Here it is man:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GOJEHZUE

Justice - Phantom (Boys Noize Remix)

Merry Christmas.

you mean, Happy Birthday? thanks buddy!

[superfiction]

you mean, Happy Birthday? thanks buddy!

jesus? have i found you after all this time?

[fatbastard]

It's a Ed Banger's Life
Y44L3Vhc_SQ

[Botrocker]

That made my day. haha

[MeowMixer]

Brand new video for Newjack.

































MoADVIUuMCw

[HunterGather]

http://a808.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/68/l_bc9b4ca29435b742f69f74d95d4c89bf.jpg

[Bud Luster]

this photo explains a lot.

[brando4n82]

WTF!?!?!?!?

how can that picture be real

[paulb]

i feel gay for looking at that photo....but i like the tshirt....

[rage patton]

It's a Ed Banger's Life
Y44L3Vhc_SQ

That made my day.

MoADVIUuMCw

Please God, tell me this is real.

[moviebruin]

so nye is upon us and justice, busy p, a trak, and mstrkrft are all in town. now where are all the secret dj sets gonna be at tonite? my guess is banana splitz at lax. but, does anyone have any inside info?

[Botrocker]

^^ Correct. They'll be there if anywhere. I don't know whats going on tonite though. We'll see.

[with the kills]

yeah justice would be cool how bout the crystal castles?

[fatbastard]

http://www.wantickets.com/images/event/justice-flier.jpg

[fatbastard]

I just came from this location. It's in the art district. It starts at the bottom of the 6th street Bridge, on Mateo. There is not an entrance or parking on the 7th street side which end right outside the Nabisco lofts. It looks like a tight space. Parking is available on loading docks on 6th street in between Mateo and Alameda. A fair amount of people were already lining up at 7 right now.

Note: I ditched an algebra final once to watch them film hill street blues in front of the building that is right in front of Chinese lanterns.

[superfiction]

http://www.wantickets.com/images/event/justice-flier.jpg

too bad that picture makes yu think theyre doing a live set

[airguitarvet]

they did whoomp there it is and gimme more. it was bananas!

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

I hate anyone he saw Justice last night...(well not really since it was a DJ set right?)

[Botrocker]

I saw Justice 13 times in 2007. Thats more than once a month.

[HunterGather]

So what do you do for a living?

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

ok...freaking out a little now but ticketmaster has Justice coming to Denver 03/22/07....OMG!!!!!!!!!

[HunterGather]

O rly?!
I may head up there then.
Unless they do ineeed stop at the Ultra Music Festival in Miami.
It's march 28th and 29th, so its somewhat likely to happen if they are gonna be in Denver on the 22nd...

[psychic friend]

la in march

[paulb]

la in march

shucks....do u know any other cities?

[Robototron]

I'm getting really sick of Justice coming around so often. Their DJ sets barely ever change and while their live show was awesome, unless they mix it up a little (actually, a lot) I can probably do without seeing it again so soon. The events just seem to get worse and worse in terms of crowd, venue, and all that.

How were they last night, anyway? I'm interested to hear what the crowd was like with it being 21+. Not surprised that it didn't sell out given that Dim Mak events are mostly attended by people who are underage.

They'll probably be in Miami, I don't see why they would miss something as big as WMC.

[superfiction]

shucks....do u know any other cities?

seattle.



and im pretty sure vancovuer

[paulb]

ill def be at Vancouver, Seattle and/or Portland if it aint 21+...2009 will be better for me...only 11 months, 3 weeks till im 21! lol

[seachanges]

seattle.



and im pretty sure vancovuer

Hells yes



I think I'll skip the shitty "no fun dancin" seattle scene this time around, and just stick with the Van crowd/show.

[superfiction]

Hells yes



I think I'll skip the shitty "no fun dancin" seattle scene this time around, and just stick with the Van crowd/show.

im thinking hit both. but thats just me :)

[HunterGather]

Woo!
Now if only Digitalism came back around again, I'd be one happy camper.

[Botrocker]

If Digitalism came around as much as Justice my face would be melted off!

[airguitarvet]

Justice had a crazy set! they played DANCE MSTRKFT MIX, britey spears and some odd songs. The crowd was awesome. Steve Aoki was climbing speakers, people dancing on stage. Security came over and stopped their set becuase there were too many ppl on stage- this angered the dude with the short hair, he walked off mad and then asked ppl to rush the stage- they didnt. Peaches was amazing, like always.

[Botrocker]

Sounds just like any another Justice show to me. hahaha

[paulb]

sounds like fuckin fun to me. Jeez, sounds like you got a stick up your ass Botrocker.

Airguitarvet, did you see 2 Live Crew? and if so, did they play Me So Horny?

[Botrocker]

^^I'm sure it was fun. In fact I guarantee it. I've just been a bit inundated with Justice. I love them but they have played in southern California about 20 times in 2007. Thats all I was saying. No sticks in this rectum buddy sorry to ruin your fantasy.

[Somewhat Damaged]

I wish they would come to Arizona. I like them and all but not so much that I'm going to fly to San Diego or LA to see them.

[airguitarvet]

sounds like fuckin fun to me. Jeez, sounds like you got a stick up your ass Botrocker.

Airguitarvet, did you see 2 Live Crew? and if so, did they play Me So Horny?

YES! of course i remember chanting lines such as

"hhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyy we want some pusssssssssssy"

"doo doo brown"


i think they have a new single called "dance like a hoe" really catchy. ha ha

they were awesome- they had some white girls up on stage wearing some sort of cheezy prom dresses and one of the rappers said, " where did you hoes come from, some barmitzvah or something????????"

[suprefan]

la in march

Yay, thanks, guess its before Denver or right before Mexico.



PLAY THE EL REY OR FONDA!

[Botrocker]

I believe they've achieved "Wiltern" status by now. haha

[Sushov23]

we should start a poll asking how many people are over this whole Justice thing already.

[kingsblend420]

Justice @ Hard NYE, Los Angeles, CA 12/31/07 (http://www.sharebig.com/d/stxulmnnm/0C3Lgyc477B1CDB0C/justice1.flac.htm)

Last 45 min only.

[airguitarvet]

whats a flac? will it play on mac. enlighten me.

[kingsblend420]

google.com

[Trick Loves The Kids]

is that an audience recording?

[iv3rdawG]

la in march

Awesome.

[suprefan]

I believe they've achieved "Wiltern" status by now. haha

Eff that s**t. Also keep in mind, that AEG is doing the show in Denver, last I chekced goldenvoice is owned by AEG. even though GV and Live Nation do co promotional events. I dont think they would do the wiltern.



is that an audience recording?

He recorded it.

[kingsblend420]

is that an audience recording?

Recorded by yours truly. I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised at the quality. This was my first time recording with my new setup. Cant wait to rock it at Coachella.

[Lurker_in_a_tree]

hey you guys, stop enjoying Justice! can't you see you're all wrong? stop it right now! stop having fun I say!

[kingsblend420]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/carbine000/IMG_6395.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/carbine000/IMG_6384.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/carbine000/IMG_6379.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f209/carbine000/IMG_6353.jpg

[elmonstro]

That last picture is funny due to the dude making the Daft Punk ''Pyramid'' sign during Justice.

[superfiction]

maybe they dropped a daft tune

[airguitarvet]

they did- DA FUNK

[airguitarvet]

google.com

dork

[rage patton]

Paul, don't worry. Justice will be coming back to Vancouver. They sold out the show in October over a month early, and there was high demand for more tickets. They will be comming here.

[cloud9]

cchuold say that was very ufny last night and think busyz pi ad ag reat set as well relay supzie me because tlast etimed i see dhim in cocachella he semd not this godz but this tme t was amzning mabye because is the2 08 now but culd not rely say yet :dumbo

[TickleMeElmo]

cchuold say that was very ufny last night and think busyz pi ad ag reat set as well relay supzie me because tlast etimed i see dhim in cocachella he semd not this godz but this tme t was amzning mabye because is the2 08 now but culd not rely say yet :dumbo

Umm... what?

[rage patton]

I love cloud9

[Trick Loves The Kids]

That last picture is funny due to the dude making the Daft Punk ''Pyramid'' sign during Justice.

Daft Punk "Pyramid" more like Roc "Diamond"

get familiar

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4674/jayztherocuy8.jpg

[paulb]

^^I'm sure it was fun. In fact I guarantee it. I've just been a bit inundated with Justice. I love them but they have played in southern California about 20 times in 2007. Thats all I was saying. No sticks in this rectum buddy sorry to ruin your fantasy.

I wish Justice played in Vancouver 20x a year. That would be sick and such an honour. If you're a fan, I dont know how you could complain though. If you dont wanna go, than dont. Bands tour and play cities that are gonna make them money, clearly LA is one of those cities. Ill def be seeing Justice in LA someday soon...

[keep2thestreets]

hard nye was sick. A trak killed it
busy p killed it

and the x-large cross was sick

(i got arrested for DUI afterwards :( )

now im feeling sick

[suprefan]

hard nye was sick. A trak killed it
busy p killed it

and the x-large cross was sick

(i got arrested for DUI afterwards :( )

now im feeling sick

You should have called me Sean, I wouldve picked you up.

[JustSteve]

hard nye was sick. A trak killed it
busy p killed it

and the x-large cross was sick

(i got arrested for DUI afterwards :( )

now im feeling sick

idiot.

[JustSteve]

Daft Punk "Pyramid" more like Roc "Diamond"

get familiar

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4674/jayztherocuy8.jpg

ddp

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2005/03/13/promo_ddp.jpg

[ThomThom]

hard nye was sick. A trak killed it
busy p killed it

and the x-large cross was sick

(i got arrested for DUI afterwards :( )

now im feeling sick


I'm sorry to hear that Sean. Are they holding your car in impound still or did you get it out?

[keep2thestreets]

I'm sorry to hear that Sean. Are they holding your car in impound still or did you get it out?

no they didn't impound it, which was the only thing good that happen

Justice in March sweet !!

[keep2thestreets]

^^ 100 post milestone ^^

yay

one day i will be old school status
and life will be good

[kingsblend420]

^^ 100 post milestone ^^

yay

one day i will be old school status
and life will be good

Until then.....keep2thestreets

[ThomThom]

Consider yourself lucky Sean, my coworker got one at one of those sobriety checkpoints this past weekend and they impounded her car for 30 days under new CA laws that passed 7.1.07 for a whopping total of $5,400 ($180 a day).

Let me know if you need a lawyer for your case, I got a good one.

[keep2thestreets]

cool thanks

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

Consider yourself lucky Sean, my coworker got one at one of those sobriety checkpoints this past weekend and they impounded her car for 30 days under new CA laws that passed 7.1.07 for a whopping total of $5,400 ($180 a day).

Let me know if you need a lawyer for your case, I got a good one.

Damn, thank god I don't drink....

[paulb]

That sounds brutal. I got pulled over last year and I was drinking and lost my license for 2 months, pretty harmless considering I wasnt supposed to have any alcohol in my body, didnt have my N displayed and got a 12h suspension...not even a DUI and no tickets...I got off so lucky.

[brando4n82]

oo, im listening to the HARD recording. im digging the "We are your Friends" with "Music sounds better with you"

[crazzz2007]

aren't you people sick of justice yet?

i guarantee that in 2 years you all will disown justice and feel embarassed that you were such huge fans.

[crazzz2007]

I wish Justice played in Vancouver 20x a year. That would be sick and such an honour. If you're a fan, I dont know how you could complain though. If you dont wanna go, than dont. Bands tour and play cities that are gonna make them money, clearly LA is one of those cities. Ill def be seeing Justice in LA someday soon...

as long as dumbasses like you pay to see them play the same set over and over again, they'll keep coming back to the same cities.

[paulb]

as long as dumbasses like you pay to see them play the same set over and over again, they'll keep coming back to the same cities.

dumbass? I have seen Justice twice in Vancouver in 2007 and once at Coachella. Every set being highly different. The fuck are you talking about? Get your facts straight.

[ThomThom]

That sounds brutal. I got pulled over last year and I was drinking and lost my license for 2 months, pretty harmless considering I wasnt supposed to have any alcohol in my body, didnt have my N displayed and got a 12h suspension...not even a DUI and no tickets...I got off so lucky.

This had to have happened in Canada, you lucky fuck.

[rage patton]

Paul is lucky. I know some people who have gotten DUIs. If you get a DUI in Canada, you are banned from entering the US for a minimum of 15 years.

[paulb]

This had to have happened in Canada, you lucky fuck.

I was breatholized and the shit said Warn, which meant i was between .006 - .10. Do these things not display the actual alcohol level you are at? I told the cop I had 1 beer an hour ago, when it was really like 8 beers, 15min ago. Damn lucky... I also did an illegal U-turn trying to get away from the cop, but still. nothing. me very lucky. Worst part was paying 200 bucks for a new license and starting my 2 years of having an N again.

[ThomThom]

My 1st DUI was "magically" lowered by the judge through my lawyer to an "exhibition of speed" violation.

My 2nd DUI was "magically" lowered by the judge through my lawyer to a "DUI first offense".

My savings account was "magically" missing nearly $25,000 in court/lawyer/community service/DMV/AA classes/DUI program fees.

Trust me when I say that I do NOT drink and drive anymore, and neither should any of you idiots.

[paulb]

25'000!? wow. You're pretty luck you are not in jail though. Ya, since I was pulled over, I never come close to a car if Ive had a drop of alcohol.

[ThomThom]

Moving forward, does anybody have a good idea as to what venue Justice will be playing in LA come March? I really hope it's not The Wiltern.

[ThomThom]

25'000!? wow. You're pretty luck you are not in jail though. Ya, since I was pulled over, I never come close to a car if Ive had a drop of alcohol.

The only reason I shelled out that much fucking money was to avoid the mandatory jail sentences that are attached to my idiotic violations of the law.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

My 1st DUI was "magically" lowered by the judge through my lawyer to an "exhibition of speed" violation.

My 2nd DUI was "magically" lowered by the judge through my lawyer to a "DUI first offense".

My savings account was "magically" missing nearly $25,000 in court/lawyer/community service/DMV/AA classes/DUI program fees.

Trust me when I say that I do NOT drink and drive anymore, and neither should any of you idiots.

Jesus, who has $25,000 in their savings account these days? The US has a average savings rate of -2%

[suprefan]

Smart people like Thomthom, and I dont use my bank savings accoun. ING Orange baby, its like 6% for me, HA.

It cant be the Wiltern, the club vibe wont translate.

Teamcoachella, how big is the venue they are doing in Denver? If we get an idea from that then we can figure out some options. I would like to get in on all the after parties, cause those will be more fun. Viper Room anyone?

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

Smart people like Thomthom, and I dont use my bank savings accoun. ING Orange baby, its like 6% for me, HA.

It cant be the Wiltern, the club vibe wont translate.

Teamcoachella, how big is the venue they are doing in Denver? If we get an idea from that then we can figure out some options. I would like to get in on all the after parties, cause those will be more fun. Viper Room anyone?

maybe like 2000 people....


I have a ING account but I barely use it...

[brando4n82]

aren't you people sick of justice yet?

i guarantee that in 2 years you all will disown justice and feel embarassed that you were such huge fans.

i dont know what to tell you man, other than "Suck it"

you should just go off and listen to your own DJs that are obviously much more cool than Justice and their fans... :rolleyes

its just too bad you cant appreciate them

[malcolmjamalawesome]

aren't you people sick of justice yet?

i guarantee that in 2 years you all will disown justice and feel embarassed that you were such huge fans.

AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. And I love Justice. I just don't get how they got crowned as the new heavyweight champs. Unless, the only electronic music the people crowning them listen to is Justice, in which case, well sure.

Deep down I just wish MSTRKRFT had a thread this long.

Also, the same thing will happen next year with SMD or Boyz Noise. Mark my words.

[brando4n82]

Deep down I just wish MSTRKRFT had a thread this long.


in your dreams

[fatbastard]

I don't think everyone in this thread is looking at Justice as the world leaders of electronic music. Their shows are fun and enjoyable. People are just sharing stories and thoughts.

That is all.

[kreutz2112]

Also, the same thing will happen next year with SMD or Boyz Noise. Mark my words.

If it is going to happen to Boys Noize and SMD it would have already happened...and it also would have happened to Digitalism, because Boys Noize and Digitalism are one in the same as far as I am concerned. I still like all three aforementioned bands though more than Justice and always have.

[Bud Luster]

aren't you people sick of justice yet?

i guarantee that in 2 years you all will disown justice and feel embarassed that you were such huge fans.
It only took me about 6 months. I like em and all, but the DJ set is so fucking tired. Unless they do something like the I Love Techno set.
.

Deep down I just wish MSTRKRFT had a thread this long.



They deserve it. Truly the kings of EDM right now imo. MSTRKRFT's production and DJ skills own Justice's all day, every day. I know they are friends and all but whatever.

[4Ransom]

I like "the looks" way more than I like cross.

[superfiction]

I like "the looks" way more than I like cross.

im excited for their new record. singles out in march

[superfiction]

It only took me about 6 months. I like em and all, but the DJ set is so fucking tired. Unless they do something like the I Love Techno set.


that set was filthy

[crazzz2007]

AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED. And I love Justice. I just don't get how they got crowned as the new heavyweight champs. Unless, the only electronic music the people crowning them listen to is Justice, in which case, well sure.

Deep down I just wish MSTRKRFT had a thread this long.

Also, the same thing will happen next year with SMD or Boyz Noise. Mark my words.

MSTRKRFT were awesome Monday night.

Boyz Noise is the most overrated thing in electronic music right now.

[brando4n82]

I don't think everyone in this thread is looking at Justice as the world leaders of electronic music. Their shows are fun and enjoyable. People are just sharing stories and thoughts.

That is all.

straight up

[brando4n82]

If it is going to happen to Boys Noize and SMD it would have already happened...and it also would have happened to Digitalism, because Boys Noize and Digitalism are one in the same as far as I am concerned.


agreed. although i can see SMD blowing the fuck up in the Sahara. I still have yet to see them and i hear the put on a good show

[Robototron]

They deserve it. Truly the kings of EDM right now imo. MSTRKRFT's production and DJ skills own Justice's all day, every day. I know they are friends and all but whatever.

I've seen some crazy hyperbolic statements on this forum before, but seriously, WTF?

Of course MSTRKFT are going to be better DJs, they just use Ableton. You'd have to be an idiot to fuck that up. As much as I love The Looks, their production gets kind of stale, too, with the same exact style every song and the same bag of tricks. As for Justice's DJing, their sets have NOT changed that much in recent months. I saw them at Detour and I might as well have been seeing them on Halloween last year all over again. All the Ed Banger guys play the same stuff with little change, same with most DJs in this scene.

Boys Noize isn't as popular as SMD or Digitalism, but I think he's a little better. Digitalism and SMD both had great singles, but put together on an album their songs didn't really seem to work. I was disappointed with both of them. Boys Noize had some lackluster singles (for the most part) and a great (if overrated) album.

[Botrocker]

Digitalism owns !!!!!!!

[kreutz2112]

Track four on "Oi Oi Oi" is kick ass. I cant remember what its called and I have the wrong itunes library open right now to determine this.

[psychic friend]

Digitalism owns !!!!!!!



yes

[superfiction]

haha nice.

[Bud Luster]

Of course MSTRKFT are going to be better DJs, they just use Ableton...

... As much as I love The Looks, their production gets kind of stale, too, with the same exact style every song and the same bag of tricks.

Actually they use Serato along w/ VINYL and cd's



Isnt the sencond statement even more true for Justice tunes?

[superfiction]

Actually they use Serato along w/ VINYL and cd's



correct

[elmonstro]

Sorry about the incorrect ''hand logo'' recognition. I will bow to the HOVA from now on.

[keep2thestreets]

This Year i have a feeling the sahara tent will be plastered with this whole scene
SMD
boys noize
erol alken
chromeo
para one

It wasn't this big last year

[Robototron]

My mistake, I was under the impression they used Ableton. All I remember from seeing them last year (I only saw them once this year and wasn't really paying attention to how they were mixing) is that they were pretty obviously mixing with a laptop, and later on I heard that they just used Ableton in their sets.

And I'd agree that my second statement could apply to both, but at least Justice have mixed it up a little with their production. It'd be a stretch to say that We Are Your Friends, Waters of Nazareth, and D.A.N.C.E all sound that much alike. MSTRKRFT songs, especially the remixes, all sound pretty much the same to me.

This scene was pretty well represented at Coachella last year. Digitalism on Friday, Steve Aoki, MSTRKFT, Busy P, DJ Mehdi, Justice, LCD Soundsystem and the Rapture on Saturday, and Soulwax, Ratatat, Klaxons, and CSS on Sunday. Erol Alkan was even announced originally. I can't really see this music getting any bigger.

[crazzz2007]

This Year i have a feeling the sahara tent will be plastered with this whole scene
SMD
boys noize
erol alken
chromeo
para one

It wasn't this big last year

boyz noise and chromeo are worth their weight in shit.

smd is pretty good.

erol alkan is awesome.

[keep2thestreets]

hence my avatar

[Robototron]

I'm sorry to say it, but those E.R.O.L. Keeps Kids Dancing shirts are way played out. Those were pretty tight you saw people wearing them about a year and a half ago, now you can't go out in LA without seeing at least three guys in them per night. Half the guys wearing them have probably never seen him live, or even heard of him prior to this year.

Erol is still a great DJ, but I think a little overrated (especially now that this music is super popular).

[superfiction]

This Year i have a feeling the sahara tent will be plastered with this whole scene
SMD
boys noize
erol alken
chromeo
para one

It wasn't this big last year

but it was still full of the scene. dont kid yourself. it was empty for busy p and mehdi last year id bet my life it would be pretty damn full if they came back

[psychic friend]

thats the beauty of coachella. what is empty might be something you regret missing the next year and begging for.

lesson: check out the empty stuff.. say "i was there when.............."

[superfiction]

thats the beauty of coachella. what is empty might be something you regret missing the next year and begging for.

lesson: check out the empty stuff.. say "i was there when.............."

i was there when...busy p and mehdi dropped :)

and i completely agree. thats why it pays to sweep the whole poster before you go rather than just hit acts you know

[MeowMixer]

What happened to the Sexy Magazines?

[kingsblend420]

Running as fast as I could away from arcade fire to catch the end of busy p/mehdi and the entire justice set was the best decision of the weekend.

[superfiction]

Running as fast as I could away from arcade fire to catch the end of busy p/mehdi and the entire justice set was the best decision of the weekend.

a man after my own heart.

[Bosco]

I wish Justice would pass on the touring and focus on making another album. They got something good going, but I feel they can diversify their music to make it into something much more noteworthy.

as for Busy P

it was pretty awesome getting that shirt from Pedro, after communicating with him over the message board. First thing he did before they even set up was pointed me out and gave me the shirt.

[superfiction]

I wish Justice would pass on the touring and focus on making another album. They got something good going, but I feel they can diversify their music to make it into something much more noteworthy.


no way dude. by putting time between their records they are evolving in their tastes. the more time they put between albums the more their sound will develop. i say hey, take one, take 5 years. just come back with something thats gonna hit me as hard as cross. please.

[paulb]

i feel you superfiction, as long as you dont wait 6 years and get To the 5 boroughs.

[crazzz2007]

i was there when...busy p and mehdi dropped :)

and i completely agree. thats why it pays to sweep the whole poster before you go rather than just hit acts you know

busy p and mehdi were mediocre at coachella, and that's putting it kindly.

if you missed them, you didn't miss out on anything. that's the truth.

[rage patton]

I saw Mehdi in Vancouver and he was awesome! I heard the Medhi + Busy P set at Coachella wasn't very good though.

i feel you superfiction, as long as you dont wait 6 years and get To the 5 boroughs.

hahaha

[superfiction]

i feel you superfiction, as long as you dont wait 6 years and get To the 5 boroughs.

haha seriously. i bet you were so bummed.


and as for the p+mehdi set, i had a great time. so whatever. i know all the cool kids have turned on edbanger but as long as they make shit i like and keep me dancin im down

[airguitarvet]

i dont get y u come here and critisize the ed banger crew. like ur the hot shit and stuff.

[airguitarvet]

btw these acts make more money touring than selling albums- ask tori amos, madonna, paul macartney, u2 and any other act. why do you think they come back- because they love us. nope it's all about the $$$$$$$$$. dipshitz.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

I was there when I spent all of Mehdi and Busy P's set challenging Busy P for his WWE Championship belt by taunting him with the WWE Championship belt I was also wearing at the time. Serendipity, amigos.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

If it is going to happen to Boys Noize and SMD it would have already happened...and it also would have happened to Digitalism, because Boys Noize and Digitalism are one in the same as far as I am concerned. I still like all three aforementioned bands though more than Justice and always have.

I disagree. By the time Justice played Coachella last year, they already had a pretty huge following (mainly mostly European). When I saw them at Pukkelpop in August of 2006, their tent was jampacked and everyone had a pretty good sense of them being awesome. "We Are Your Friends" and "Waters of Nazareth" had both already been out and getting played for a LONG time also. However, come Coachella 2007, they were still able to kind of "sneak up" on people, maybe just on the board, but still. All I'm saying is, don't underestimate SMD and Boys Noize capacity to blow up even bigger, especially if you throw a sick Coachella set with good word of mouth in.
Just look at what Coachella word of mouth did for a certain pair of ass kicking robots in a pyramid.

[brando4n82]

I disagree. By the time Justice played Coachella last year, they already had a pretty huge following (mainly mostly European). When I saw them at Pukkelpop in August of 2006, their tent was jampacked and everyone had a pretty good sense of them being awesome. "We Are Your Friends" and "Waters of Nazareth" had both already been out and getting played for a LONG time also. However, come Coachella 2007, they were still able to kind of "sneak up" on people, maybe just on the board, but still. All I'm saying is, don't underestimate SMD and Boys Noize capacity to blow up even bigger, especially if you throw a sick Coachella set with good word of mouth in.
Just look at what Coachella word of mouth did for a certain pair of ass kicking robots in a pyramid.

FO SHO!

[superfiction]

I disagree. By the time Justice played Coachella last year, they already had a pretty huge following (mainly mostly European). When I saw them at Pukkelpop in August of 2006, their tent was jampacked and everyone had a pretty good sense of them being awesome. "We Are Your Friends" and "Waters of Nazareth" had both already been out and getting played for a LONG time also. However, come Coachella 2007, they were still able to kind of "sneak up" on people, maybe just on the board, but still. All I'm saying is, don't underestimate SMD and Boys Noize capacity to blow up even bigger, especially if you throw a sick Coachella set with good word of mouth in.
Just look at what Coachella word of mouth did for a certain pair of ass kicking robots in a pyramid.

personally i dont love boyz noise and smd as uch as justice. but i do love them and would be stoked to see them this year. because they would tear it down. i happen to think boyz noise are (is?) better live than on record from what ive heard....the bpm for the songs on hte record is too slow imo

[jackstraw94086]

Just look at what Coachella word of mouth did for a certain pair of ass kicking robots in a pyramid.

yeah for sure. Daft Punk were nobody's before the all-knowing all-powerful coachella folks discovered them.

[Ritestyl]

yeah for sure. Daft Punk were nobody's before the all-knowing all-powerful coachella folks discovered them.

he he he

[Botrocker]

This thread is too much.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

This thread is too much.

That is kind of a understatement...

[malcolmjamalawesome]

yeah for sure. Daft Punk were nobody's before the all-knowing all-powerful coachella folks discovered them.

You smarmy bastard. I WILL say that they hadn't infiltrated the indie set and public consciousness to anywhere near the degree they had AFTER the "Pyramid Experience", and I will stick to saying the Coachella 06 word of mouth was a big part of how huge that tour got. Though, I'm sure you caught the boys playing someone's garage back when Abelton was a gleam in some techie's eye.

Also, your apostrophe in "nobody's" is highly unnecessary.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

Furthermore, I am truly OVERJOYED by the current number of Dave Wang-related sigs.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

I still have no idea WHO Dave Wang is....

[Robototron]

You smarmy bastard. I WILL say that they hadn't infiltrated the indie set and public consciousness to anywhere near the degree they had AFTER the "Pyramid Experience", and I will stick to saying the Coachella 06 word of mouth was a big part of how huge that tour got. Though, I'm sure you caught the boys playing someone's garage back when Abelton was a gleam in some techie's eye.

Also, your apostrophe in "nobody's" is highly unnecessary.

Daft Punk has always been massive. The only reason they seemed to get so big so suddenly is because of the long period in between Discovery and the subsequent letdown of Human After All. They were still big, you just didn't hear them talked about because there was nothing to talk about. A Daft Punk tour would've still sold out and been hyped like crazy with or without a Coachella performance. I think you're overestimating the influence of their Coachella set.

I do agree that for most people in the US, Justice at Coachella was probably the turning point in their popularity. You just can't say the same about Daft Punk.

[signmeup]

A Daft Punk tour would've still sold out and been hyped like crazy with or without a Coachella performance. I think you're overestimating the influence of their Coachella set.


Yeah totally, I mean they already had a two year worldwide tour planned out that they knew would sell out everywhere no matter what because they are so massive, it just started at Coachella.

Oh wait, they didnt, it was only supposed to be a one time thing?

weird.

[paulb]

So, Justice are playing March 28th at the Ultra Music Festival in Miami. Why cant these artists just announce their complete tour at once...

[thelastgreatman]

Um, just to give a little perspective: until this tour, people that weren't into electronic music didn't give a flying fuck about Daft Punk. Honestly. Shit, me and my friends didn't give a flying fuck about them when we saw they were at Coachella, and we were there.

Let's just say our little robots wouldn't have been headlining Lollapalooza, okay?

[thelastgreatman]

Frankly, Daft Punk wasn't particularly good or interesting until the pyramid. Sorry.

[Bud Luster]

Frankly, Daft Punk wasn't particularly good or interesting until the pyramid. Sorry.

Yup, the whole pyramid "this is how our music should be experienced" thing really put DP waaaay over the top.

whats up w/ the dave wang t-shirt meet up (and simultaneous DRRRRROP) - I want in...

[firesuite]

Yeah totally, I mean they already had a two year worldwide tour planned out that they knew would sell out everywhere no matter what because they are so massive, it just started at Coachella.

Oh wait, they didnt, it was only supposed to be a one time thing?

weird.

hahaha... WIN.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

Dave Wang T Shirt Meet Up/Drop will be decided after lineup is announced when the sickest possible Sahara set is decided upon by myself and VP of Raving Relations, Trick Loves The Kids.

[Ritestyl]

Frankly, Daft Punk wasn't particularly good or interesting until the pyramid. Sorry.

This is the most retarded thing written on this entire thread... Period

[jackstraw94086]

You smarmy bastard. I WILL say that they hadn't infiltrated the indie set and public consciousness to anywhere near the degree they had AFTER the "Pyramid Experience", and I will stick to saying the Coachella 06 word of mouth was a big part of how huge that tour got. Though, I'm sure you caught the boys playing someone's garage back when Abelton was a gleam in some techie's eye.

Also, your apostrophe in "nobody's" is highly unnecessary.

you've already been spanked by everyone else as far as your extreme lack of perspective on Daft Punk's relative stature and Coachella's influence so there's not a whole left to spit at you.

No I did not see DP in a garage, I was in college when DP first broke big over a decade ago. Even in that college bubble it was still obvious that DP was fucking huge. They were all over the fucking radio. Every release was fucking anthem. Every bar and club played that shit at least 3 times every night. They were twice as big as the chemical brothers or fatboy slim. They were possibly the biggest name in electronica from 95 to 01 and hadn't done shit until 2005. You were apparently a zygote and didn't know anything about them until some moptops showed you the way.

You're just all sorts of ignorant.

[thelastgreatman]

This is the most retarded thing written on this entire thread... Period

Quiet, little kid. It's not my fault that their shit was tired until they started mixing the tracks together. Like most electronic music, the shit was boring until it was live. And Alive 97 was horseshit, so there really wasn't anything else to compare it to.

[thelastgreatman]

If Daft was really that popular from the first album then the Alive 97 tour would have been a much bigger deal.

[jackstraw94086]

Yeah totally, I mean they already had a two year worldwide tour planned out that they knew would sell out everywhere no matter what because they are so massive, it just started at Coachella.

Oh wait, they didnt, it was only supposed to be a one time thing?

weird.

If you really believe that they had that entire fucking pyramid setup and that whole show designed when they thought they would ONLY play coachella at the time then you're just the fucking most adorable little dipshit ever.

DP probably didn't announce a tour yet because of either an attempt on their own part to create buzz or part of an agreement with Goldenvoice.

A production the size of DP's doesn't get created for a "one time thing".

[Ritestyl]

Quiet, little kid. It's not my fault that their shit was tired until they started mixing the tracks together. Like most electronic music, the shit was boring until it was live. And Alive 97 was horseshit, so there really wasn't anything else to compare it to.

Hey asshole... per your definition I'm not a little kid anymore (on this board) that was my 100th post, and Daft Punk were electronic music pioneers before the pyramid, they just are to an even greater degree now ...

Besides if you are calling their shit "tired" and "boring"... it must have been the awake and interesting at some point before that right...?

And if you are going to use the amount of posts on a Coachella message board as a qualifier to the relevance of your opinion you really should get you shit straight...

[thelastgreatman]

Well, the thing is we disagree about whether or not they were pioneers. I don't personally find pulling a bunch of samples to be pioneering. Lots of people did that.

And you're still a little kid until you're old school, and even then you will remain a little kid until you either (a) stop having stupid fucking opinions or (b) stop arguing with me.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

If you really believe that they had that entire fucking pyramid setup and that whole show designed when they thought they would ONLY play coachella at the time then you're just the fucking most adorable little dipshit ever.

DP probably didn't announce a tour yet because of either an attempt on their own part to create buzz or part of an agreement with Goldenvoice.

A production the size of DP's doesn't get created for a "one time thing".

I agree, to an extent. I'm sure the original 8 or however many dates they had planned for the 2006 tour were already on the books. But, when we went to Pukkelpop that same summer, we met most of Daft Punk's road crew and management because they were staying in our hotel after their set and at that time they told us they were considering adding more US dates because the response to the Coachella show had been so overwhelming. So, I feel the whole second half of Daft Punk's tour, especially the US leg, came about because the Coachella set had been used as a barometer.
And I still feel, that without a shadow of a doubt, Daft Punk's current level of popularity can be attributed to their live show, and the "legendary" Coachella set was what brought it to the public's attention, therefore, the Coachella 2006 set in some way represents a turning point and crucial time for Daft Punk's popularity. I don't think that can be argued. What can be argued is if Electroma was the worst thing ever.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

Dave Wang T Shirt Meet Up/Drop will be decided after lineup is announced when the sickest possible Sahara set is decided upon by myself and VP of Raving Relations, Trick Loves The Kids.

Whassup y'all.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

you've already been spanked by everyone else as far as your extreme lack of perspective on Daft Punk's relative stature and Coachella's influence so there's not a whole left to spit at you.

No I did not see DP in a garage, I was in college when DP first broke big over a decade ago. Even in that college bubble it was still obvious that DP was fucking huge. They were all over the fucking radio. Every release was fucking anthem. Every bar and club played that shit at least 3 times every night. They were twice as big as the chemical brothers or fatboy slim. They were possibly the biggest name in electronica from 95 to 01 and hadn't done shit until 2005. You were apparently a zygote and didn't know anything about them until some moptops showed you the way.

You're just all sorts of ignorant.

Also, "spanked" is a little aggressive. I find the responses to my post neutral at worst.
Here's the problem: being "the biggest name in electronica from 95 to 01" and headlining Lollapalooza in 2007 are two vastly different milestones. Pre-Daft Punk Pyramid Tour the biggest names in electronica still weren't wildly well-known amongst average, casual music fans, let alone had become a mega-popular MUST-SEE live act for everyone and their uncle. The number and types of people that are familiar with Daft Punk, the pyramid, the ROBOT SUITS, and Harder Better Faster Stronger (nod to Kanye West) NOW are probably 10 fold what was familiar with them in 95 - 01. And that's a fact, amigo.

[Botrocker]

All this in the Justice thread. Interesting.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

They were possibly the biggest name in electronica from 95 to 01 and hadn't done shit until 2005.

That's not really saying much.

You can't compare their fame pre-Coachella to now. Their Coachella set is probably as responsible as anything for the increasing popularity of dance music, and Daft are far bigger than they've ever been because of it too. It sure as fuck isn't Electroma's fault.

[Robototron]

What you guys aren't realizing is that the average music fan is more aware of Daft Punk as the group that did Around the World, One More Time, etc. than they are that said group played an awesome set at Coachella. Most of the people I spoke to when I saw them this year didn't have the slightest clue that their Coachella set was "legendary," only that they were touring again.

I mean seriously, "Their Coachella set is probably as responsible as anything for the increasing popularity of dance music"? What fucking planet do you live on?

[thelastgreatman]

It's not that the Coachella set specifically did it, but that pre-pyramid nobody was asking Daft to headline their festivals. Period.

[Robototron]

It's not that the Coachella set specifically did it, but that pre-pyramid nobody was asking Daft to headline their festivals. Period.

Well no shit no one was asking, THEY WEREN'T PLAYING SHOWS BEFORE COACHELLA. This is common sense, guys.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

I mean seriously, "Their Coachella set is probably as responsible as anything for the increasing popularity of dance music"?

I meant within certain groups.

and fuck i don't know why i even got into this argument

[thelastgreatman]

Well no shit no one was asking, THEY WEREN'T PLAYING SHOWS BEFORE COACHELLA. This is common sense, guys.

Yeah, nobody had ever asked them to. Nobody had ever asked an electronic act to headline festivals like this at all.

[Robototron]

Yeah, nobody had ever asked them to. Nobody had ever asked an electronic act to headline festivals like this at all.

Uh, that's not even close to what I said. Regardless, they hadn't played a festival in years, it's not that shocking to think that promoters weren't exactly lining up at their door to ask them to headline.

[thelastgreatman]

Promoters have never been lining up to get an electronic act like that. Ever. Stop arguing about it.

[superfiction]

Yeah totally, I mean they already had a two year worldwide tour planned out that they knew would sell out everywhere no matter what because they are so massive, it just started at Coachella.

Oh wait, they didnt, it was only supposed to be a one time thing?

weird.

if they had started their tour at summersonic or pukklepop the hype still would have been equally as big. it didnt matter where they did it. it was fucking incredible.

i dont know why we argue about this all the time.

the reason why they werent a huge demand in the live arena is they never toured on discovery (their ainstream breakout album) if they had done that they easily would have been in a chemical brothers spot or underworld or something like that by now. but they didnt. so when they came back with something amazing. it wasnt hard for them to get pushed to the forefront with the combination of new and old fans alike supporting their desire to see a live show

[thelastgreatman]

People acting like Coachella should be given credit for it are crazy, but thinking that you'd get the same buzz playing Pukkelpop as you would Coachella is equally fucking crazy.

[signmeup]

If you really believe that they had that entire fucking pyramid setup and that whole show designed when they thought they would ONLY play coachella at the time then you're just the fucking most adorable little dipshit ever.

DP probably didn't announce a tour yet because of either an attempt on their own part to create buzz or part of an agreement with Goldenvoice.

A production the size of DP's doesn't get created for a "one time thing".

Well Ive heard it from both of them personally and read it in many different interviews, and theres no reason for them to lie like that.

it obviously evolved.

Coachella.
8 date tour.
more dates added.
even more dates added into 2007
and even more dates added in 2007.

dont you remember even after coachella, Bang was supposed to be the last US show of the tour.

They definatley have enough money to have done the pyramid set up for one show if that was what they wanted. the reaction was so huge from it, thats why they continued.

It was because of Thomas' hearing problem that they hadnt toured in forever, when he got over it, they decided to do a show, and it was huge, he was okay, they decided to tour and it all turned into this massive thing.

[superfiction]

Well Ive heard it from both of them personally and read it in many different interviews, and theres no reason for them to lie like that.

it obviously evolved.

Coachella.
8 date tour.
more dates added.
even more dates added into 2007
and even more dates added in 2007.

dont you remember even after coachella, Bang was supposed to be the last US show of the tour.

They definatley have enough money to have done the pyramid set up for one show if that was what they wanted. the reaction was so huge from it, thats why they continued.

It was because of Thomas' hearing problem that they hadnt toured in forever, when he got over it, they decided to do a show, and it was huge, he was okay, they decided to tour and it all turned into this massive thing.

shut up youre lying! lyeeeeerrrrrr

and if any of you cunts read the urb they handed out at coachella you will read from paul tollet himself about the whole reason they paid them so much was to make the pyramid. FOR THAT SHOW.

[superfiction]

but thinking that you'd get the same buzz playing Pukkelpop as you would Coachella is equally fucking crazy.

dude. amazing is amazing anywhere. the buzz woulda come. use your head. coachella isnt gd of festivals. we just love it cuz it suites our fancy

[thelastgreatman]

I don't think you understand though that not all festivals get the kind of publicity Coach does, not because it's Coachella even so much but because guess what: Iceland doesn't get as much press coverage as Southern California.

[superfiction]

I don't think you understand though that not all festivals get the kind of publicity Coach does, not because it's Coachella even so much but because guess what: Iceland doesn't get as much press coverage as Southern California.

fair enough. but a giant light up pyramid would sorta be one of those things that pleads an exception. id bet anything

[thelastgreatman]

Which would go more towards the original argument: whether Daft Punk awareness post-pyramid is a very different thing than pre-pyramid.

[rage patton]

Wait... why is this argument going on in the Justice thread?

[superfiction]

Which would go more towards the original argument: whether Daft Punk awareness post-pyramid is a very different thing than pre-pyramid.

i thought the original argument was if coachella made them what they are now.

no matter what tehy would have ended up here.

if they had toured in support of discovery they would still be in teh same spot on the poster

[superfiction]

Wait... why is this argument going on in the Justice thread?

no idea. i was just told to come over here haha

[rage patton]

Daft Punk is what made me want to go to Coachella 06. Unfortunately, I didn't make it...

[superfiction]

massive attack was kinda what i was going for